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The Necessity of a Purple Pill

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The Necessity of a Purple Pill

Since this subreddit started out about a year ago, not much has happened. The usual posts every week or so seem to be concerned with applying Red Pill theories to gay men, leading to a „twink/alpha“ or „top/bottom“ dichotomy which mirrors the inferiority complex inherent to many gay males. The originating idea of The Red Pill and the dominant discourse is that of two dualisms.

  1. Men vs. Women
  2. Alpha Men vs. Beta Men

In this subreddit the dominant translation is

  1. Men I befriend vs. Men I fuck
  2. Straight-acting Males vs. Flamboyant Males

This translation is idiotic as it is lazy as it tries to fit the power dynamic between men into a corsett of straight perception and Red Pill truths. If there is anything to take away from the Red Pill for gay men, then wisdom should be rethought and reapplied. Just copying concepts on feminism won’t take us anywhere.

Why the Purple Pill?

Look at this subreddit. It’s purple. Why is it purple? Because The Red Pill generated a whole bunch of uninspired sub-subreddits that try to apply the given truths to their own miserable lives. Original content on this sub recons of preachers trying to tell victims of a terrible natural disaster about that one time Jesus lost his faith in god. The Red Pill doesn’t apply to you, because you are a faggot.

The inferiority complex of this subreddit and the gay community in general brought us here, trying to please the main subreddit, as a younger brother trying to become like his elder. We won’t and you won’t. We won’t get anywhere by playing by their rules. Copying the main concept led to the decision that there should be some sort of equivalent tot he original concept of swallowing a pill. This subreddit is an offspring and this is how we behave. Why purple? Heck, I don’t know. Probably because pink was taken and it had to be gay. If it were me to decide I would have called it „Faggots seeking truth“ or something like that. Not as catchy as Purple Pill though. The whole „altTRP“ bullshit too often seems to be about denying that you want to have some penis up your ass, in your mouth and god knows where.

The Purple Pill should be a place to explore ideas from a straight community and take a gay perspective on them.

On gay liberation

So, what is the difference exactly, between the gay liberation front, which has been closely linked to the feminist agenda and me, asking you to embrace your sexuality? The difference is that this subreddit shares the idea oft he alpha male, of the empowerment of one man by his pure will and power. The gay liberation should never be forgotten, as it brought us to a place of abundance and peace. You can in fact fuck around, openly state your compassion to another dude and even marry him (although this is an opportunity I will not discuss in-depth and do not plan on doing so anytime soon).

In the last twenty years we have seen a steady rise of the queer culture, a term which has been used to discredit cocksuckers and been reinstated as a word of empowerment and diversity. In the same vein, I will call you a faggot and I strongly ask you to get used to it.

The queer culture has its own agendas. Although it came from a place of empowerment and the desire to achieve equality, it has grown to include a whole bunch of interest groups leading to confusing letters thrown together LBTGQIDK, and whoever names the most wins – everyone else is a cis-fucker. The thing is, you won’t be able to pursue your mission, to become your better self and accepting who you are, when you are constantly asked to help an even minor minority out. This is why we faggots made our own place. Because the main subreddit would not take us in. Now we created this bullshit in the hopes of playing with the big (RedPill) guys. In the same vein, transgender people ask of us to support their cause. But it is not our game. It is not our fight. While accepting, that The Red Pill does not care about us, we should also accept, that we don’t care about problems arising from being born between two sexes. This might seem harsh, but The Red Pill principle is one of generalizations and you came here, because you wanted someone to make your life easier. This is what you get.

On self-hate

This is an issue I will likely pick up in future posts and it something you should be aware of. Many gay men will suppress their urge to suck some juicy cock to become a perfect beta that doesn’t even care his wife is fucking around. By accepting the sexual urges you are one step further from a self-hating beta.

I mentioned the queer culture which sparked a whole new net of role models for every confused teenager imaginable. There is nothing to say against that. As discussed in The Misandry Bubble role models have a certain control about who young men want to become. Obviously we have to aknowledge, being an out teenager at an American high school is far easier, than it has been 30 years ago. Be can also see, that certain stereotypes manifest themselves and are performed by struggling teenagers to please or reenact what has been showed before. This argument obviously goes both ways. The queer agenda has been to diversify the representation of gays in the media, making it possible to behave like a fucking disney princess all the time.

We might not be very pleased by these representations, but we should also be cautious about stating, that not all gay men are like this. Let them do the talking. People will notice if you don’t fall into their vision and will either think you’re straight or they will have to reassess. If you constantly talk about you being different from all the other faggots you just sound like a bitter fuck.

The question should thus not be What is more natural? But How do I want to live? It is obvious, that most ideas about the suppression of the male apply to The Purple as they do to the Red Pill. The general assumptions about a post-feminist society apply to all men. Thus reclaiming your life is in need for gay as it is for straight men.

Paradigms of gay behaviour

When talking about gay men, the general idea of applying the Red Pill is to treat some gay men as if they were women, while others will be respected as other men. In the same vein Beta males are often seen as those being passive or so-called „twinks“. I have seen this term been used by straight guys on The Red Pill to transfer the general idea to a gay lifestyle.

The thing is, that every man has the potential to swallow the Red Pill or should at least have a chance to. Treating other men like betas or „women“ will likely keep them in that state, which I find disturbing. You should keep that in mind when choosing who to fuck.

On the other hand gay men are very likely to adapt female mating strategies. I have often seen the very unpleasant controlling and manipulative behaviour known to the Machiavellian type of women destroy a relationship between two men. Gay men seem to take up some of the manipulative behaviour they observe from their mothers and sisters and apply it to their own lives. We have to be careful.

When looking for a LTR you should be able to nourish the qualities of an Alpha male in your partner and give him the possibilities to develop his ideal self. All my relationships have been with guys I would classify as Beta (and I wasn’t better myself). Constant talks about the state oft he relationship, fear of being lonely and infidelity have marked the men I dated. When you cannot accept the independence of your partner, you should probably not start a relationship anyway.

I am touching on many subjects here, and many ideas have to be spread out over time. I would like this community to flourish and am writing this up half-assed, so other minds can come in and correct my views. Lastly, I do want to point out, that there has been some quality input and I do not intend to disregard everything that happens on this subreddit. I fit weren’t for some great contriubutions, I would not even be here, writing down my thoughts. I thoroughly enjoy should_’s submissions and I believe there is some potential in this subreddit.


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Title The Necessity of a Purple Pill
Author Koedukativ
Upvotes 1
Comments 15
Date 23 May 2015 02:55 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit altTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/163363
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/altTRP/comments/36zqza/the_necessity_of_a_purple_pill/
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[–]contrafagotto7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

As I see it, the main point is to reclaim the right of all men to have sex with each other.

The idea that gay men should "stick to their own kind" could have come into existence only in a post-Puritan, urbanized world. If you accept the ideas of, say, E.O. Wilson on how gay male sexuality evolved, it's clear that the 2 percent or so of men whom we identify as "gay" today would always have been interacting sexually with the larger male population during the long track of human history. Only stigma and urbanization — which obviously came much, much later (mostly from the Abrahamic religions including Christianity) — could have given birth to the idea that gay men should do it only with each other.

What the straight guys need to see is that getting off with other guys is an important component of keeping the price of pussy down. Straight guys damage their own interests in two ways by buying into the theological horse shit. First, they cut themselves off from a great source of quick and easy orgasms. Second, they ensure that they get less pussy because they help enforce women's monopolies on men's sexualities. It's a no brainer.

[–]theultimatewarriors2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Straight dude who found this from the other RedPill subreddits sidebar. Totally intrigued because I think gay guys are in a particular position to be badass (they often are forced early to learn that other people don't love them for who they are or will try to change them, and that they can kick more ass by not seeking approval, but that's not why I'm commenting here).

The reason I'm commenting is because I flat out disagree with the idea that dudes getting off with other dudes is in the best interest of dudes and is because of some post-puritan urbanized world. You have to remember that most straight dudes do not embrace their sexuality in any way except for the Alpha dudes for the most part, and that as an alpha male, you have more women than you need. Having sex with women is easy. Quick and easy orgasms. Their are always women willing to have sex and the less picky you are the quicker it happens. As a straight dude, I would choose a a less attractive female than an attractive male 100% of the time. But even further, I wouldn't know the first place to figure out if someone was gay and that would feel riskier to me than asking 100 women to sleep with them, so no part of hooking up with a dude could ever happen to me because when I do want to hook up with an easy orgasm, I'm out searching for it and going out and will find a woman willing to have sex much faster than I would probably ever find a man (and be willing to give up my search for a woman and even then I still would just straight up masturbate which would relieve testosterone fury).

For those dudes who are having sex and not focussed on just one woman or being too good for every woman (while not working on themselves), the "price" of pussy is already really low. The average guy if he saw Anna Kendrick, even if he had a huge crush on her, would maybe just smile but would never go up and actually try to take her home. Do you see what I'm saying? Most guys are "raising the price of pussy" on their own for whatever reason. Me? I'd go talk to her and the worst that could possibly happen is she turns me down and I go talk to another girl right after that who I think is hot. Most straight dudes are their own worst enemy when it comes to approaching girls they like, and they fear getting rejected. Most guys I know that are dating someone found that girl through something like colllege, or work or some other group that both he and the girl were a part of and over a long period of time they found out they both were attracted to each other. They both drive the price up, the guy just doesn't understand that. On the other hand, for me, a bunch of girls haven't monopolized my sexuality, it's the exact opposite and they will always try to outdo each other and drive their own price down. They have no intentions of working together except for sabotaging other girls chances.

I definitely don't think gay dudes should "stick to their own kind" (which I'm assuming was aimed at sex, and not socially), but I definitely would never interact sexually with another male, and even further, the price of doin dudes would be far higher than the price of dudettes when you consider supply and demand (at least around here). Just my 2¢

[–]Koedukativ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Has there been a discussion about hitting on "straight" guys? I am quite hesistant about your concept, but would like you to elaborate on it.

Having sex with a gender you are not attracted to seems a bit off just to readjust your market value.

[–]contrafagotto2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't really have time for a long exposition. I'll just say look at the pre-Christian cultures, or recent cultures that have not been fucked up by the Abrahamic pathologies. I'll also say that you may have received some misconceptions around the idea of "a gender you're not attracted to." Male sexuality is much, much more complicated than that.

A good way to start would be to have some relationships with straight-identified guys and just listen to what they say.

[–]emo_geek3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think it's important to grow this sub. I do feel that this sub is in a rut. I don't think that very effeminate gay men who use female strategies are very successful. The more butch alpha gay gays have more options and they know it. They could easily dump the Blue Pill flamer for another alpha or get a man who is effeminate, but not a flamer who is Red Pill and who will see him as an equal.

[–]should_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree as a whole with you that alpha butch gays have way more options since their market value as basically "the football player" is so, so high, but playing feminine games on alphas like "hard to get" if you're a feminine type or rather stick with being a feminine type, can get you a lot of attention from Those Guys. I personally am transitioning from the wannabe-alpha-handbag to masculine but for guys who look like male Cate Blanchettes, do okay with men, and wanna maintain that status and improve, staying in the femme realm could work out.

[–]Jobby_jabber 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Look at this subreddit. It’s purple. Why is it purple?

First off, The actual purple pill is something entirely unrelated. This is not the purple pill, this is AltTRP. Not a tremendous amount of meaning sits behind the color of the sub's banner. All the official TRP network subs follow a color code and purple is what was left. I'd have preferred green.

Copying the main concept led to the decision that there should be some sort of equivalent tot he[sp] original concept of swallowing a pill.

The reason for the creation of this sub was pretty well explained in the sticky post at the top. In my opinion, The Red Pill is not so much about sexual strategy as it is about understanding the naked truth of human behavior, whoever those humans might be. Its the simple realization that people act according to a set of observable principles; principles we're not taught by our parents.

So the question of whether TRP applies to those of the homosexual persuasion is akin to asking if gravity (which was famously discovered by an apple falling on newton's head) applies to oranges as well.

This translation is idiotic as it is lazy as it tries to fit the power dynamic between men into a corsett of straight perception and Red Pill truths.

The nature of the power dynamic between to men is rather the point of this whole sub. Whether it indeed does follow a similar model to that of heterosexual couples is a matter of contention still and so an argument for or against this would be welcomed. However, simply dismissing the concept because it seems too constrained does us no good. I and others on here have written about our personal experiences and they seem to line up more with the Dominant/Subordinate dichotomy than anything else.

The whole „altTRP“ bullshit too often seems to be about denying that you want to have some penis up your ass, in your mouth and god knows where.

We wanted to go with /r/penisupyourass it seemed a little long. Again there is less intended meaning in the name than you must think. What I am trying to understand is why your references to penises through out your post seem almost to be made with some level of revulsion. Am I mistaken in my perception that you are to a level uncomfortable with the though to gay sexual contact?

So, what is the difference exactly, between the gay liberation front, which has been closely linked to the feminist agenda and me, asking you to embrace your sexuality?

The queer culture has its own agendas. Although it came from a place of empowerment and the desire to achieve equality, it has grown to include a whole bunch of interest groups leading to confusing letters thrown together LBTGQIDK, and whoever names the most wins – everyone else is a cis-fucker.

Thats a fair enough assessment of the Gay Culture. You might notice that there isn't much love for the mainstream gay movement around this sub. The LGBT community, like all others born out of oppression exists solely to fight that oppression. As such, its far outlived it's relevance and has had to create new battles to fight.

But we are quite at ends with the whole Gay culture. While they're out fighting for the right to marry, we're learning why it's not a winning proposition in the first place. While they would like to shape the world to accept each and every last snowflake, we're learning how to work the system presented to us for the greatest benefit.

This is why we faggots made our own place. Because the main subreddit would not take us in.

TRP is above all a place for discussion. You can only lurk so long before joining the conversation. For those of us who are not engaged in relations with women, entering to conversation at the Red Pill isn't terribly useful. Theres a lot to be learned there. Most of the readership here are active users on TRP. Still, men and women are different so it's useful to have a place dedicated to discussing the nature of the gay game.

We might not be very pleased by these representations [Role Models], but we should also be cautious about stating, that not all gay men are like this.

This is a topic that deserves it's own post. As it stands right now, the American show Glee was found to have the greatest and most widespread impact on young gay teens' self image. Just consider that. The next generation of gay men are being shaped by glee. My initial reaction to that is one of frustration. I think it's ruining a lot of good young men. On the other hand, it is possible that it gives more masculine gay men a tactical advantage. Worth some discussion.

[–]Koedukativ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

My initial statement was that this subreddit was created as an offspring. If an independent dicussion is desired it will be hard to overcome this initial assosciation. I was citing a paradigm which does not apply to all origianl content posted here. there have been some very insightful posts, as I have mentioned above.

I think that being cautious about transferring ideas from the parent subreddit is utterly needed. I strongly reject the idea of men being split up into two groups in the same way, TRP differentiates between women and men. I do understand the idea of dominance, but disagree that men can or should be labeled either dominant or subordinate.

Some points I made were unfocused or not fully developed. I agree with your general perception and would ask everyone to delve further into their thoughts to supply this sub with the input it needs.

I do love penis up my ass though, thanks for asking.

[–]Jobby_jabber 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

An important distinction needs to be made about the "labeling" of men dominant or subordinate. These terms are relative. They don't describe a man's nature, but rather his position in reference to any other particular man. Between most men the difference in power is minor or undefined. A boss only has so much power over an employee. Two men meeting on the street have not established who is stronger.

Still, it is the way of men to form hierarchy amongst themselves. Within groups men spar and taunt, subtle ways of testing those around them. Respect is given when your fellow man shows he is of at least equal strength to yourself.

When two men meet in a sexual encounter, the attention to relative power is more keen. But just because a man may be dominant in regard to one man does not mean he is not submissive to another.

Should writes about this pretty often. A peruse through his blog may put it better than I can in this short time.

[–]should_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For anyone reading the above comment and loving it as much as I am, read Jack Donovan's "The Way of Men," or for something specifically gay, "Androphilia."

Edit: I wrote that before reading that you mentioned me and my blog. Didn't mean to look like I was going off of your recommendation of my writing and saying "whoa anyone else think this comment is the donkey kong's bananas?"

[–]trp_sf2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I identity as bi/fluid and fuck whom I like depending on how I feel. I am attracted to women when I crave feminine energy and men when I crave masculine energy.

Unfortunately, many of my fellow queers have somehow dismissed their masculine energy, which saddens me. I'm not sure how that happens, but I suppose I came out at an older age than my peers...

[–]KHJohan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In the same vein, I will call you a faggot and I strongly ask you to get used to it.

You could just say, that you are gonna use the term faggot the way black people use the term nigger.

[–]should_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We could use more /r/redpillwomen type threads for gay men who take the feminine side of a relationship. Reading "The Rules" helped me secure some pretty good alpha dick in the past, back when I was interested in alpha commitment (lol). When we say beta we often mean loser; but you can be a feminine, slightly clingy gay man and be hot and sexually/romantically/socially successful. So gay men who are interested in TRP but have found success being feminine instead of alpha can have their own niche here, with the awareness that being alpha would just give them more options and a better life probably. And thanks for the mention

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm currently in a relationship with a man and we both are not feminine in anyway and it works.

[–]Raskolnikov18170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some gay men are pretty naturally effeminate and have sounded gay since they were kids. Are they betas naturally or do they need to stop acting like "fags"



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