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Fempowerment | Rollo: "Say no and you’re a despicable misogynist. Say yes and you’re tar-pitted in “yes, but” caveats – mansplaining – that are disqualified because you’re a man. "

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Title Fempowerment | Rollo: "Say no and you’re a despicable misogynist. Say yes and you’re tar-pitted in “yes, but” caveats – mansplaining – that are disqualified because you’re a man. "
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 102
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Date 01 August 2018 02:02 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/163639
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/93p7ly/fempowerment_rollo_say_no_and_youre_a_despicable/
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[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy

For the greater part, any dubious ‘right’ women feel they were somehow denied in the past usually comes at the expense of men being liable for decisions they had nothing to do with.

[–]ColdbloodedEdward 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

in my dictionary, there's no such word as manisplaining or manspreading. hell even auto-correct claims it's not a word

[–]Ganaria_Gente20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

The far left are very skilled at fabricating oppressive labels

Cis

Normative

Gender fluid

Man Splain

And perhaps my favorite, Deconstructionism

You will notice that it's all about their ego. Inflating their ego. Putting down others. Attacking others. Judging you by your skin color or genitalia

Joe Rogan calls them piranhas. Cuz eventually they eat other. Anyone who swims in a weird way

[–]Quo2100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Labeling people as if they were livestock became a problem people refuse to see as a problem.

[–]BillyRedRocks15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Arguing with women is a futile effort and most of the times counter effective, so having a conversation with women where you rationally explain to them the faults in their logic is ... not a productive endeavour. How can we be fully feministically egalitarian if the sexes use different types of communication?
If someone actually wants to tilt society to a more RP state (feel free to define this however you wish) his best bet would be to fuck taken women, record it, send it to the cuck with a copy of The Rational Male.

PS: Those countries that are not infected with feminism are tradcon paradise. If you want to live in tradcon paradise I think you're in the wrong sub.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil38 points39 points  (30 children) | Copy

I on the other hand do have a problem with women voting and abortion. So long as women have the right to vote they will vote for whatever the fuck the television tells them to vote for. Women are herd people who blindly follow the will of the tribe. They're not thinkers especially not long term thinkers. Allowing women to vote is affirming that women and men are intellectually equal and they're definitely not.

Abortion is another cluster fuck. The reason why the west is intellectually and culturally stagnant is that the boomers aborted the future. Young people are the source of creativity, innovation and ideas and those young people were simply not allowed to exist. Now we're stuck debating the same 1960s hippie nonsense and idealizing bygone eras because the youth who would have created the new thing weren't allowed to be born.

When women talk about abortion they only talk about their vaginas, their too small minded and solopsistic to see the long term effects on society. That's why women shouldn't vote.

[–]RPGivesYouWings20 points21 points  (13 children) | Copy

I'd posit that abortion is a double-edged sword.

On the one hand, you're right; on the other, abortion has no doubt reduced the number of boys that would be "raised" by single mothers and ultimately recruited into the Feminist narrative.

Birth control and access to abortion has all but eliminated nature's hedge against hypergamy - sex for a woman carries the risk and responsibility of child-rearing. But it also affords more men the opportunity to build low-risk soft harems... pros and cons.

Label me a tradcon, but there's something more profound about bedding a woman not on birth control and is against abortion than one that fucks with her nature -- the former, provided she has the understanding of the pregnancy risk of sex, has to be more selective.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil38 points39 points  (12 children) | Copy

Countries with high birthrates are never Feminist. Feminism is run by bitter old spinsters. Next there's something very positive about countries with normal birthrates. I was in Chile last month where abortion is still mostly restricted.

There's kids everywhere. Playgrounds everywhere and society as a whole is more positive. Kids bring a lot of positivity to society. The west on the other hand doesn't have as many playgrounds but has plenty of pharmacies ready to give out opiods and antidepressants.

You should upgrade your TradCon stance to a Radical Traditionalist stance. It's way more fun.

[–]banthrow15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

Agreed. There is a big fucking reason the church is opposed to abortion. They think long-term. In the long term it's all about out-fucking your enemies. Abortion and contraception just lowers the chances of a civilization to continue.

[–]BlackCraneStoic0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

It's all 'bout that stem cell money, bruh! Most of the woes afflicting Western society predicates around the "Almighty All Seeing Eye" dollar bill.

[–]Theguygotgame777 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

No one has even mentioned one simple fact: abortion is murder. That's always been the number 1 reason I'm against it. Women would rather follow their hypergamous nature than have any regard for human life.

[–]BlackCraneStoic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Under the right or wrong conditions within a culture devoid of the reinforcement of social accountability.

[–]Pascolino 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

We don't give a fuck about anyone we don't know, but terminate a couple of cells from some unknown woman somewhere on Earth and its murder and it's wrong. Gimme a break. Nothing matters except our own individual present. Self actualization is the only Truth out there.

[–]Theguygotgame7771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, I guess it's okay to murder you then. I don't know you, so I don't give a fuck.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was in Chile last month where abortion is still mostly restricted.

Look at their wealth, look at their economy.

My idea: if a country is poor, abortion will be forbidden there, because almost nobody would decide to have children and sooner or later the ruling class would have no new slaves to do the work.

This is my own idea based on zero research. You on the other hand seem to read some philosophy and seem to be a man of the world in general so maybe you could tell me what you think about that.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Since you asked about a deeper philosophical view, my advice is to be careful succumbing to the progressive idea of progress where religious farmers are on one end of the spectrum and cosmopolitan homosexuals are on the other. This creates a shitty hierarchy where Sodom and Gomorrah is the logical conclusion.

Society like nature works in cycles. Vigorus youth. Middle age maturity and refinment and finally old age decline and death. For more information on rejecting the blue pill progress myth check out Spengler

[–]CainPrice3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The situation is more like if a country is poor, then people have real problems, like having enough food to eat and not getting shot on the way to and from a physically difficult job each day. When people have real problems, nobody has time to get bent out of shape over ideologies like feminism. Nobody marches outside of government buildings to protest about a woman's right to choose when they're worried about having enough to eat for dinner.

Feminism (which is really just a smokescreen for normalizing excessive female hedonism) is really only a big deal in middle class first world populations where people have too much free time and life is too easy, so people have to invent ideological problems.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody marches outside of government buildings to protest about a woman's right to choose when they're worried about having enough to eat for dinner.

Good point. I don't believe any of the protests, just because of the reasons you listed. I believe most of the statists taking part in "orange revolutions" are actually being paid by some agency.

And, because it is difficult to get food/money/shelter, government forbids you to abort babies, because you would abort like 90% of them, because it is difficult to get food/money/shelter.

I don't believe feminism is a grassroots movement. It is staged political psy-op. No woman could invent feminism by herself, because women aren't inventors and women don't care about such things. Somebody else did.

Jikes, I start sounding like u/NeoReactionSafe.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's ironic though that the law does not agree with you. Since the law recognizes birth as proof of life, that's when we get a birth certificate, which is the primary document all other documents stem from. You get a SSN at birth, a name, and public record acknowledges your existence.

Prior to birth, the public and the law does not consider the fetus a person, but a pregnancy. Most laws refering to harm to a pregnant woman that causes a failed pregnancy as murder, but not so much the death of the fetus.

Basically, an abortion does not fit the definition of murder because they're not legally human until birth and abortions are lawful. Is it a bad thing that should be banned? Very likely, though I tend to favor the idea of abortions in cases of those who will never be capable of full independence.

[–]Fulp_Piction2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd argue that they're not feminist because they're developing, religious, and poorer countries - this correlates with high birth rates.

Feminism and all the rest of the collectivist/hyper-intellectual hive mind becomes an option when the country gets rich and people have to find purpose when they don't have to work. It's like when you transcend Maslow's heirarchy of needs and need to fill your day with absolutely anything.

[–]Nr3672 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of my deepest fantasies is being the gangis Kong of the 21st Century. just fuck hundreds of women without a condom so I have an army of Nr367 running around impregnating the rest of the planet with my genius ideas and masterful wit. At this point it's almost an obligation versus a compulsion. Would you like to join me in this endeavor? You shove their face in a pillow and while i nut in them. I'll hire you to be my personal bodyguard. Then in the future make you the Godfather of All My Children. And you turn them into super GayLubeOil's. We'd make an Empire you and me. It would last for a thousand years.

[–]DeontologicalSanders5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

I have to disagree. Net-net, abortion is a positive compared to widespread birth of illegitimate children without a choice for the parent(s) to opt out.

An abortion ban would give women enormous leverage in terms of using pregnancy and childbirth to extract resources from unwilling men. Legal abortion at least gives both men and women the opportunity to have a conversation and a viable alternative to "I have to have this baby, and so you have to pay for it."

You are correct that high birth rates are a hallmark of prosperous societies, but only if they go hand-in-hand with the integrity of the family unit; after all, what good are swarths of new children if there are no role models in place to teach them how to be competent, responsible adults in their respective gender roles?

The effect of abortion on birth rates is a drop in the bucket compared with the profoundly negative outcomes produced by shaky or non-existent family units/absentee fathers.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Abortion is a symptom of a degenerate society. If people are willing to kill their own children they're willing to do all sorts of other degenerate shit. By the time people are deciding on abortion the family unit has all ready been eroded.

[–]omlettefag1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Abortion is a symptom of a degenerate society.

Isn't that hypocritical? You all are propagating being a degenerate by banging several plates (sometimes even without protection), and never having a LTR/getting married. How do you expect the birth rates to rise if people actually started following your philosophy?

The solution you're trying to provide isn't any better.

[–]JohnIan1014 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's only one way to view it.

Another is people who haven't or can't grow up. My neighbor is this way. She had a kid; does not know who the father is (single mom).

Right at this moment; had a massive fight with her father; she lives at home is in her twenties.

She wanted to play with her friends and left her kid there. Where is she now (this moment). No clue.

Window is opened, can not, not hear that fight.

She should never have had that baby. Her family wanted her to have an abortion. No good will come from this.

They're right.

The problem GayLubeOil is you assume all people can be saved.

Some simply can't.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The lower classes are lost and confused and need to be ruled. That's why the military has a college educated middle class to rule over that strata.

[–]BlackCraneStoic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The middle class is just as lost as lower class gazing upon shadows as in Plato's allegory The Cave. The most qualified Sovereign is one reluctant to lead at all. One who's shifted his eyes from the dismal shadow to the uncomfortable light of Reality only to return back to the darkness in order to fully understand both the real and illusory aspects of society afflicting the people.

In this current State no such person will ever hold office only those "eager" to rule. A quote from the allegory of The Cave:

Whereas if they go to the administration of public affairs, poor and hungering after their own private advantage, thinking that hence they are to snatch the chief good, order there can never be; for they will be fighting about office, and the civil and domestic broils which thus arise will be the ruin of the rulers themselves and the whole State.

As the rulers are still in The Cave so is the vast majority of The State. They're all lost.

[–]hickcock45 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

the same 1960s hippie nonsense

Stephen pinker...my jewdar is pinging

[–]BlackCraneStoic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not to mention, they promote abortion on account of television and propagative influences they line the pockets of politicians who lobby for abortion clinics, dubious stem cell labs that harvest tissue from dead fetuses for profit and the Black Market that'll abduct pregnant women and young children for aforementioned reasons.

[–]oneorigin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Allowing women to vote is affirming that women and men are intellectually equal and they're definitely not.

Intellect is measured by IQ (not the perfect metric, but it's the only one), and not all men have an IQ of 150+.

[–]Lib3rtarianSocialist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Correct. He probably should say rationally, not intellectually.

[–]EternalPropagation0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Abortion allows the conservative families to have more children relative to lefty ''families.''

And you can't just blame women for bad voting, I blame our male ancestors for voting for suffrage.

[–]SilkTouchm-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

The reason why the west is intellectually and culturally stagnant is that the boomers aborted the future.

Why should I care?

Young people are the source of creativity, innovation and ideas and those young people were simply not allowed to exist.

Why should I care?

[–]RPGivesYouWings6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

From the article:

Our decisions in life, our aspiration in parenting, family and career, in our business dealings, in the women we Game and the people we hire, all of these aspects need to take on the perspective of how they fit into pushing back against a feminine-primary world that demands we surrender any thought of individuated male power.

Fucking brilliant.

As we all leisurely discuss and kvetch about the Cultural Marxists and other society-level boogie men, Rollo's above quote should serve as a reminder that true freedom is in the individual and our responsibility to ourselves and to our society needs to manifest through our actions.

[–]Dmva100 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

We cannot have equality between the sexes until we have co-ed prisons.

This should be no problem for the battlecunts. They want to be sexually abused. Katy Perry is a feminist and her popular song said "...i wanna be victim..." so that means ita true for all empowered females.

[–]Ganaria_Gente4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Crime stuff is one of many many areas of hypocrisy from these supremacists. It's so apparent... And yet society is silent.

Gynocentrism ladies n gents.

Or should I say..... Ladies n genders

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Note, the use of words to achieve an aim, not for transfer of information. Rollo articualtes the differences between male and female communication, open and closed styles.

Notice also, this is why men shouldn't change the message when he speaks, he simply plays up to the status elements of a conversation.

Dane Cook game as discourse

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Our man forgot about AA/AM.

[–]1Self-honest1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

we need to live out that awareness in our own lives and lead by Red Pill example.

Roughly 10 years ago, I was going through some rough times and I let it beat me down. I had enough experiences to build a solid understanding of Red Pill truths, without the why (I wouldn't actually learn the why until a decade later and would go back and forth between Red Pill goals and Blue Pill goals). I went through the anger phase. I lost all confidence as my health got worse.

As my younger brother started dating, he was making a lot of mistakes that one makes when raised in a blue pill household. I wasn't showing him a good example because I had no confidence. If I gamed any girls at all they were the wrong girls, I did it with the wrong mindset, and had weak or inconsistent goals.

We had a stong bond, and I felt strongly that I was fucking everything up around me by not being the leader (by example) I needed to be to have the successful awesome family I wanted to have.

I've come to understand "morals" and the roles they have played in my life in a new light, I no longer feel like it was my job to make it happen. It doesn't change the fact that if I wanted it to happen, I could have made it happen by having my shit together and being the example that made people want to be like me.

Our decisions in life, our aspiration in parenting, family and career,

If people want to be like you, they may be smart enough to try to act like you or seek your insight.

in our business dealings, in the women we Game and the people we hire,

Don't be a bitch at your job. Don't sell yourself short.

Choosing the women we game should be like choosing the people we hire, or knowing who not to hire, and then actually not hiring them. Don't take shit jobs you don't really want, don't hire shit workers you don't really want to hire, don't game shit women you don't really want to game.

all of these aspects need to take on the perspective of how they fit into pushing back against a feminine-primary world that demands we surrender any thought of individuated male power.

No one gets freedom, freedom is taken.

[–]Alpha_Jedi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I recently had a great conversation with Rollo, and the main issue we're seeing is this thought pattern is branching it's way into ever facing of society: Not just general social consciousness but also into politics and into religion. This creates a web that makes it very difficult to maneuver in as there's no social support for any counter point of view. Interesting times we're in. Cheers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I take more of an enjoy the decline approach. Feminism as we know it is already in its death throes, which is exactly why there's been so much effort to try and explain its inevitability.

[–]yummyluckycharms-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The moat and bailey approach that feminists use is one that can be easily attacked. Just because you agree with some tenets doesnt mean you agree with the basic underlying philosophy.

Ie. Just because I think it was a good idea for germany to build the autobahn, doesnt mean that I agree with hitler's other ideas.

In a similar vein, just because giving women the right to vote was smart, the unleashing of rampant misandry and bigotry by feminists is hardly a good thing.



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