The 3 Stages of Truth

CSMastermind · 2014-06-13T15:08:55+00:00

The allure of oneitis cannot be discounted, and this is the reason men have trouble accepting reality. It's been said before, but for many men it is harder to give up the fantasy of a committed and loving relationship than their sweet girlfriend's who have adopted a cold and pragmatic (ruthless?) approach long ago. Even seemingly good women with an acceptable partner count and who grew up in a traditional family will disappoint you. More often than not, they will disrespect you with white lies or worse, and then blame it on you...even if you have been successful, alpha, whatever the fuck you want to call it.

Unfortunately the only prescription for these natural betas is to not deny the pain. Weather the storm and let reality sink it. There is no shortcut around accepting the pain of reality. As Aeschylus wrote:

"Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget

falls drop by drop upon the heart

until, in our own despair, against our will,

comes wisdom through the awful grace of God."

Cyralea · 2014-06-13T16:24:27+00:00

Spot on. The resistance to TRP is entirely predictable, because it's contingent on normal human cognitive behaviour. Ego investment, validation-seeking, seeking the path of least resistance, etc.

The problem with transitioning to stage 3 is precisely because it's difficult to override biology. Without external rewards or strong aversion to punishments people simply don't change their innate behaviour. This is why people would prefer a convenient lie over working with the uncomfortable truth. It's easier. Same with fatties that adopt HAES. Getting to the gym every day and eating right is hard. Sitting at home lying to yourself about your condition while you finish your third slice of pie is easy.

Call me cynical, but no more than 10-15% of the population will ever be truly RP-ready. It's in our personalities to want to strive as hard as we can to fix things. To do what needs to be done in order to achieve success, morals be damned. Most people are not like this, and cannot so simply drop the ego-investment and emotions until they experience a catastrophic failure (like being divorce-raped).

At best we can become more visible to the MSM, in hopes that more like-minded men find their way here.

pleasedontknowme30 · 2014-06-13T17:59:15+00:00

by a guy in Las Vegas who came in her mouth 3x

Bro...you got it all wrong. She ran out of toothpaste, and upon going to the elevator, some guy was coming the opposite way and he had just used the bathroom and forgot to zip up his fly. He wasn't wearing underwear. Well...the girl just happened to trip on her robe, and clumsily stumbling. Unbeknownst to her, this guy had bent down to tie his shoe. Upon doing so, he semi erect penis had poked out between the fly. Before she knew it, she had fallen face first into this guys crotch, causing him to fall backwards and his penis went into her mouth. He couldn't help something warm and wet was around his penis...he got hard very quickly before she even realized what was happening. But her hair...her hair got caught by the side of her face in the zipper, and every time she tried to pull her head up off this creep who was obviously taking advantage of her, her hair would get caught and she would go back down. She kept repeating this motion, dick in her mouth be damned, until her hair would give. This guy sees this chick in a horrible position..she must be in pain he thought. Her mouth felt good but he realized the only way she will get off is if he cums so his dick will get soft. He starts ejaculating into her mouth and down her throat. She is shocked...WTF is this guy doing...gross. Finally her hair gives and she lifts her head off this guys crotch, cum in her mouth. She is so embarrassed she runs back to her room. The guy feels bad, he should go check on her. Now she is in the bathroom, trying to comprehend what happened. She has her toothbrush but no toothpaste...ugh then realizes this guys cum might actually work, so she brushes her teeth, rinses, and swallows. She hears a knock on the door. "Who the fuck is that" she says. She opens it, and the guy starts apologizing profusely. In his efforts to try and calm her down, he leans forward and trips again. He never zipped up his fly and his dick never softened like he thought it would. She leans back and falls backward onto the floor..and the guy loses his balance and falls on top of her. She didn't realize it, but the robe she was wearing had fallen to the side...she wasn't wearing panties and this guys dick went in her. Around this time, the suitcase to the side, during their scuffle, had fallen on top of him. Damn it was heavy he thought. He kept lifting his back up to get it off, but the weight of it would push him down. He continued this until he realized the precarious position they were in, and that his dick was inside her. She was a bit lost in her own world...having bumped her head on the ground....her eyes were in the back of her head and she appeared to be in pain..stiffening her body. He even felt her clamping his penis..."oh no he thought...he better cum so he goes soft so he can not hurt her anymore. She shrieks, her body goes stiff and he cums. The pain was too much for her head he thought, I bet it felt good to release that screaming tension. Finally the suitcase gives and he is able to get off of her.

"And I swear to God honey, I will take a lie detector test, I swear that is how I accidentally got pregnant"

SkorchZang · 2014-06-13T14:52:57+00:00

Breaking up with a cheating girlfriend. Very helpful for 2->3 and an indispensable overall life experience nugget for any man!

TRPsubmitter · 2014-06-13T16:09:18+00:00

"they simply want validation, which comes from the majority at hand. And that majority wants to ridicule TRP."

This stood out to me. It can be a lonely journey for awhile while you start to understand it and not always see immediate results. Just like working out.

2014-06-13T17:04:14+00:00

Posts like these almost make me cry errtime. I was always trying to put my tongue around that phrase but I think you put it best when you said, "Those who value comfort and those who value truth. "

To answer your question, I think the flowchart has stage 2 as an infinite loop that circles back into itself. I think the majority of rp'ers don't go there is because that sorta becomes a endstate as well if you are not careful due to the heavy circlejerking and passive-aggressive pussy contracts.

The only way to traverse that gap easier is to have an experience that is so jarring that you will teleport to stage 3 OR like what I did even if you are given a mediocre to great experience, with wisdom be able to turn that experience into a mental bootcamp of beta reflection (I mean 40 pages of hardcore reflection, thesis mode). The latter requires a lot of wisdom and isn't really those that rely on experiential learning. I am a firm believer that you can take any experience and learn it to death.

Just a note, once you have acquired stage 3, for me at least, it stays there forever. So onwards!

50-cal · 2014-06-13T17:20:55+00:00

Something drastic usually has to happen to transition from 2 to 3.

I remember the cognitive dissonance I had before swallowing the pill. I could see when I went out instances of AFBB, and thought 'these girls are just cunts, my girl isn't like that' and considered myself lucky to have found a snowflake ^but ^what ^if?. I could see my ex responded well when I was having my masculine moments, building shit, standing my ground ^but ^what ^if?. I knew other girls were into my laid back and aloof attitude and threw themselves at me when they found out I had some awesome preselection ^but ^what ^if?. I could see my ex acting up, looking around but was shamed into just thinking I was being jealous and overly protective.^but ^what ^if?

I knew the truths of all these situations, I just didn't understand them and so I shunned them. It took my life falling apart and some lucky timing in finding a resource that explains everything and provided me with an ideology for a positive male identity to accept the truth of the world.

nechoha · 2014-06-13T17:25:13+00:00

Broke up with a girl last September, didn't feel like something was clicking and started googling things. That lead to some trp post and started to read and it felt like the lights finally turned on. After looking back at friends from high school, I saw how TRP worked and now I'm here making myself a bit better.

linkfoo · 2014-06-13T17:44:31+00:00

If you´re going to quote Arthur Schopenhauer without attribution, do it right: ¨All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.¨

rpdoomed · 2014-06-13T16:38:39+00:00

This was a great read! I've seen all of these in action, and I think we have a lot of people on step 1 due to all the publicity we've been given by feminists recently. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of people in stage 2 due to that right now. I personally wouldn't be surprised if we have a lot of newcomers in the next few months as step 3 sets in.

2014-06-13T17:15:43+00:00

Imersion therapy, they have the theoretical knowledge, they need to enter a environment and just see it work. Forget everything you knew about PUA, birds and bees that "jumping of a building kills you" and observe, imitate, improve, try and so on, accept the inevitability of game, you are not stuck there until the time runs our, you live in this amoral sexual jungle forever. Use your knowledge to survive at first and then as you become stronger use it to become king.

If you give them time and isolate them, they will rationalise their old values in with new ideas and create mutant hybrid ideas that are both misogynistic and inefficient.

Old_Pine_Tree · Fri Jun 13 17:37:40 2014 UTC

A question I have for the community: 1 becomes 2 very easily. But is there any way to more easily traverse the gap between 2 & 3? I would think lots of RPers started out 1 to 3 more.

Loosely applying the three-act structure, the shift from two to three represents something akin to the 'dark night of the soul'. At this point, a person has built up the conflict (both internal and external) to the extent that it has reached its logical conclusion and can go no further. They must decide which side to choose.

A clear parallel is the Christian who starts to question their belief. There are some doubts, but mostly ridicule for the atheist. Soon, they progress into full-blown opposition, but unwittingly go so far down the rabbit hole that they don't realize many of their old stand-bys have been completely obliterated.

They come to realize, "Shit, I really don't believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. I can't accept the contradictions in the Gospels. I won't perpetuate embarrassing fallacies anymore. Evolution is a fact."

Once they realize that they have started to accept the core truths of the non-believer, they progress to an understanding of how feeble their apologia really is. It can no longer sustain them. Their own knowledge and experience literally forces the choice: deconversion, or a full-blown rebirth into the Church.

(Note: most people just chug along oblivious to this conflict, only getting fleet glimpses of it, not giving the slightest fuck whatsoever.)

For RP, somewhere in the mix of real life experience and the conceptual truths of SMV, AFBB, shit tests, alpha widows, AWALT, PUA, dread game, etc. comes the realization that fuck, this shit is completely true, or practically true to the extent that I am a fool for not recognizing its occurrence in my life and in the lives of those in my social network.

For a man at that stage, if he's strong enough to quell the indignant, ideological femoaning, he understands that principles of political equality or human kindness are not mutually-inclusive with his sexual strategy. This is the healthy RP outcome - a man who is in control of his psychosexual sphere and can confer its benefits to others.

If he's not strong enough, the comfort of ideological, bluepill certainty will prove to be far too attractive. Unfortunately, this represents only a purgatory of sorts. This guy will continue to be trampled by people who wantonly dictate his life to him but shamelessly do not have his best interests at heart. This places him in a psychological state of always needing external validation and qualification for his thoughts, values and desires. Hopefully he reaches a breaking point that starts the process again whereby he comes to understand enough of his experience to stand on his own two feet.

For a man to reach this juncture, he simply just needs to be pushed toward it. This sub can help in that, but real life will always be much more instructive. Anyone reading this post who is in stage 2 'violent opposition' needs to get out from behind the computer screen and experience life. There is a lot of personal growth waiting for you.

JP_Whoregan · 2014-06-14T00:10:13+00:00

My traverse wasn't nearly that involved. After getting out of a 4 year LTR with a single mother (luckily) unscathed, I started to do some research on Google, trying to figure out what happened, etc. I stumble upon Rational Male, where I discover various terms for the first time, like "hypergamy", the "alpha/beta" dynamic, "push/pull", discover how a woman's brain actually changes chemically after childbirth, and beta bux seeking goes into overdrive, etc. Then I stumble upon CH, and see TRP sub in one of the sidebars. I pretty much jumped straight to "3" after implementing RP theory into interactions with various absorbers of ejaculate ever since, all the while saying to myself, "I cannot believe this shit works. It doesn't make sense that it works, it's not rational." But then I realize, well...the female mind (hamster) is not rational, it spends it's existence trying to rationALIZE.

2014-06-14T00:51:00+00:00

But is there any way to more easily traverse the gap between 2 & 3?

You are right in your understanding here:

No amount of evidence/arguing will change these people; they're too far gone.

If it was in my power I would suggest the people in category 2 to go even further in their beliefs. They hate TRP? I want them to violently oppose it, go become the most blue-pill believer, get into activism, and put all their blue-pill theories into practice in their own lives. If they do this, I can bet that most of these people, especially the white knights and male feminist types, will see the hollowness of their ideology. It will first result in massive cognitive dissonance, which if they want to survive, they will see that TRP is the only naked truth that explains all of it. It would be much harder for many of them, and many of them will even wither away becoming a mess of a person. But some of them will see the RP values and start fixing their ways. I hate that many of them will become a mess after their glass house shatters, but I see no other way for them to come to live life fully.

chakravanti93 · 2014-06-13T18:36:39+00:00

Didn't Gandhi say that?

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Ktigers · 2014-06-14T00:14:11+00:00

According to this logic, EVERYTHING applies to the redpill dammit.

smallpoxinLA · 2014-06-13T17:31:49+00:00

You forgot to mention something, the one who react like you describe: "...now, they read that they are a chump & girls won't fuck them? "No way! You piece of misogynistic shit!" are the one with an IQ lower than their anal temperature (basically any politically correct self entitled liberal out there). When I, realized it was a perfect description of who I was, I only said "it makes perfect sense !!" then you start to connect the dots, to assemble the puzzle and understand all this bullshit we have been fed since kids.

This does not only apply to male/female interaction but to every facets of society and politics: feminism is only one tool use by our elites to control us. Actually that's what's missing on TheRedPill: more discussion about how the RedPill way of thinking apply to society and politics.

The 3 Stages of Truth

1. Ridicule

2. Violent Opposition

3. Acceptance

Title	The 3 Stages of Truth
Author	TRPsubmitter
Upvotes	81
Comments	29
Date	June 13, 2014 2:37 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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