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Another Pretty Lie Is Slain - Today’s pretty lie? Men are attracted to confident women.

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June 23, 2014
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Private Man Speaks:

OK, pick up your jaws. I’ve got some ‘splaining to do. This pretty lie has three elements to it:

(1). Projection.

Women are attracted to confident men. Confidence is one of the biggest attraction points a man can have. If a guy walks into a room with the right frame and a confident mien, the dames will light up. So, women think that men are attracted to the same characteristics in a woman. It simply doesn’t work that way. Men and women are different. The feminine attracts the masculine. A woman who expresses a masculine type of confidence comes across as bossy and domineering, a very effective attraction-killer.

(2). Confidence is not feminine.

“OK, Private Man, you want women to be insecure.”

No, I want women to show some damned humility.

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Title Another Pretty Lie Is Slain - Today’s pretty lie? Men are attracted to confident women.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 186
Comments 151
Date 23 June 2014 01:56 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/16973
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[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (6 children) | Copy

I used to think I was attracted to confident women. Then I realized that I was attracted to HOT women and hot women in their 20s tend to be very high confidence (and very low confidence at the same time). Some women who are 9s and 10s who every guy would love to fuck might be very confident, but that is because they know they are very desirable physically. Their confidence has nothing at all do to with whether or not a guy is attracted, it is merely correlation in this instance. Since some confident women will be physically attractive, a guy's boner and a girl's confidence will be loosely correlated, but there is no causation whatsoever going on.

[–]redbluepilling7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is it right here. So then the question is, what's more attractive, a confident physically beautiful girl or a timid and outwardly insecure one? For me, confidence remains attractive. I can't deal with constantly trying to ego boost anyone else (male or female) or tend to their excessive insecurities. Big_En hits it too. Like you say, the confident ones still have their own insecurities, but they don't always come to a head.

A confident ugly duck? Yeah, still not attracted.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would say the first, but honestly, for a plate, I really don't even care 1%. I mean, I care in that I recognize there will be less drama and risk of crazy behavior like fucking up my car if she is the former (confident + attractive). But if we assume that both women are ONS or plates who cleanly will enter and exit my life, her confidence or not really doesn't cause any more or less attraction.

Even for a LTR, there is a threshold; if she is confident enough to walk in that way that women who know they are hot walk, she has passed the threshold and further confidence is, well, good for her. If she is confident enough to not be led by her friends' opinions, pursue a career she actually cares about, dress sexy, flaunt what she's got a little, and not get deflated by a little teasing / negging, then any further confidence doesn't help me at all (and could potentially just cause problems).

Also, women never have core confidence unless they are truly rare phenomena. Most women have situational confidence; they are acting confident now because they know they are hot as fuck. They are acting like the boss, because in this situation, they rank highly. A woman who manages a Dennys will act with utter confidence at Dennys and then later when she's out in the club, she may be a timid mouse who is afraid to approach a guy. Take the club 10 out of the club and put her in an interview with a harsh female interviewer for a position this woman is not quite qualified for, she will be stuttering and tripping over words like the worst beta.

So this is all kind of a FUBAR discussion because I have never actually met a single truly confident woman, only women who act confident when there is a particular situation at hand that they are optimized for. Part of why confidence in women is so unattractive when displayed brazenly is that we can all see it is clearly fake confidence, no different than the TRPer who brags about his badass life. So when women drop this act and be uninhibited in who they are, it's way more attractive. But this does not necessarily stand as a judgment on confident women, but rather as a judgment on women who act confident despite not being so. Hopefully that made sense, it came out kind of jumbled.

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[–]Johnny_Shades6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right on man. Ugly confident girls always seem much more unattractive than regular ugly girls.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know, I've believed for awhile that I find confidence attractive. As time has gone on, I believe it is not confidence, but lack of neurosis that attracts me even more to an already beautiful woman. It is beautiful women who lack petty anxieties and who can control themselves who are rendered more attractive to a man such as myself.

[–]1deptii124 points125 points  (64 children) | Copy

It all comes back to each gender trying to emulate the other because that's what they think is attractive. Women are acting more like men... confidence, a boasting attitude, etc, and these women are labelled "SIW" by everyone. Conversely, the men are nice, quiet, white knights who don't speak out or stand up for themselves, etc, and they get the "Nice Guy" label, which everyone but us thinks is a good thing.

[–]GhostInTheRedPill66 points67 points  (43 children) | Copy

Guilty as charged. My BP ways went as far as trying to emulate the way females can break eye contact quickly in a seemingly disinterested manner. Doing that generated precisely zero results in attraction. Nowadays the attitude towards eye contact is: "look away first woman, as that is the proper way for you to show your respect to an Alpha." Attraction levels have increased accordingly.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (40 children) | Copy

Wait. You tell me to wait till she breaks the eye contact?

[–]robesta[🍰] 59 points60 points  (38 children) | Copy

Yes. You're a man and you look where you want to and don't fear other people, especially women.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (28 children) | Copy

But what if it gets real long? I tried this at the mall this weekend. After about 5 or so seconds of shared eye contact many gave me the "What the hell do you want" kind of look. (Gallic shrug and unhappy look) . I feel that after a certain amount of time it becomes "creepy" no ?

Looking for your advice.

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[–]robesta[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. Good advice.

[–]robesta[🍰] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you come across a creepy if you look away immediately. If I'm attracted to someone I look at her and maybe even crack a smile. Honestly, if she's creeped out by a man who's attracted to her looking her in the eye, that's her problem. Women want a man who's stronger than they are. Not being intimidated and meeting their gaze shows strength and a lack of fear. If anything, I think it can create attraction. I used to automatically look away for most of my life. Only the last year or so have I made eye contact unashamedly. I enjoy it and I think I get better results with women.

Edit: also, don't be afraid to approach her. Strong enough eye contact followed by approach is good.

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[–]1neveragoodtime9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Creepy is not defined by actions, but by their interpretation. If I show up naked with flowers to a girlfriend's it's attractive, to my neighbor's and it's creepy. Most other words are context free. Abusive, opinionated, controlling, argumentative... all have actions that can be objectively evaluated. Creepy does not. It reminds of what some women are trying to do with the term rape. Rape is rape if she says it's rape, because it is not defined by your actions but by her interpretation. But she took me back to her place, she put on the condom, she begged me to penetrate her. That's a great defense, but it doesn't stand against her saying it was rape.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Forever is a long damn time. Read the sidebar and wouldn't it be interesting to post a thread on RPW on how to avoid projecting that feminine "creep" vibe.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

I mean, I think any man is a creep/is creepy if he leers at me or makes come-ons even after I've mentioned that I had a boyfriend. I don't wear overtly sexual clothing. I rarely have my thighs or cleavage show. I just find it so insulting and creeperious. Like if my boyfriend was there, (6'3" and alpha as fuck) he wouldn't even talk to me. Then I think they're using my situation as a female who happens to be alone in that moment to their own advantage, and that's why I label them creepy. Like don't try to take advantage of me in any way and don't assume that you can keep trying to come on to me. It's just.... insulting and creepy. Like stop.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Creepy is whatever turns off the tingles. In men, "creepy" is something that scares you but your willing to face it. I think the difference is in men it takes a lot to turn off the mantingles but in women, just being around an unsuitable male (as interpreted by their ever changing standards) does the trick. This is because being around a male who is staring them down who is not approaching them with interest like a quality man would, ipso facto becomes "Creepy" because she doesn't want to be alone with this low quality man since she may have to submit to him sexually. Thus the Creep sirens activate in the female dino brain.

why are you the "creepy" one? Why not her?

Men and women are different. See above.

[–]Count_Joshoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

People are creepy. People feel "creeped out" because the world is dangerous and random. Some people (men, women and other) use that word to put people down and feel superior. Some people just don't like long eye contact. Some people have associations with bad experiences that might be brought out by another's gaze.

If you feel like you are creepy move on. It's not a big deal. This is my very first foray into this sub. I was very curious to see what is said here, as a straight man trying to see a bit of the world through feminine eyes I thought it might be enlightening.

Somebody convince me that there is worth here and not just a bunch of angry sexism from dudes who haven't figured out that they need to work on themselves (physically, mentally and culturally) before worrying about girls.

[–]NillaThunda3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you make that long eye contact and you have no need to keep it going just change your attention (no facial gestures necessary). If it is with a girl you find attractive, hit the smile button and go from there. The one thing you NEVER do, is look at the ground after eye contact. Beaten puppies look at the ground after contact.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're seeking eye contact and not looking away then you're just staring at people so stop that. If you happen to catch eye contact then that's what this is about. If someone can tell you're trying to look at them then you need to communicate why you're looking at them. This is a nonverbal thing - they need to understand "I'm looking at you because X" even if X is just "How dare you be that hot" or "I saw that thing you just did". If you happened to just catch eye contact then X is "I noticed you looking at my face, hi there"

Try not to be totally blank. You don't have to be cheesy or smile but you should be relaxed and human behind that mask not like a super serious deer in headlights.

[–]1independentmale-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel that after a certain amount of time it becomes "creepy" no ?

It only feels "creepy" because you let it. People will pick up on how you're feeling. If you feel like a creep, she'll think you're a creep. Change how you feel about it and you change your frame.

When she gives you the "What the hell" look, just smile and keep looking. Maybe raise an eyebrow.

I enjoy looking at a beautiful woman and I make no apologies for it. I don't openly gawk at women's assets, as that would be rude, but looking at her face and smiling? If she doesn't like it, tough fucking shit. If she's too much of a delicate flower that she can't handle being looked at, she should stop going out in public.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Got to hold that frame man.. what are you doing wrong? They are the ones looking at you for 5 seconds like a weirdo. Remember that

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah! how dare they? What am I? a piece of meat? :P

[–]retsage-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not creepy. She's asking you "what?" You are always the initiator. If she's holding eye contact, she's interested. If you don't make a move, she's confused - what does this guy want?

Next time, say hi, wave at her, approach her, wave her over, whatever. Just do something.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

But what if it gets real long?

Well its not a staring contest but this is what I did a few weeks ago during Jury duty. I looked around at the sorry lot in the jury pool waiting room. Elderly blacks, and frumpy white women filled the room except a single halfway decent girl in the entire room. She was also people watching and she caught me checking her out. I maintained eye contact and she tried to stare me down and I smirked slightly and approached her. We had a short conversation and she was very receptive (but as luck would have it my name was called and I was sent back home to the wife).

I think you have to approach immediately after making eye contact for more than 5 seconds. If your not willing to approach to talk, why are you staring them down in the eyes? That does sound pretty creepy. You opener doesn't have to be anything good. Just introduce yourself and turn on the charm, comfort, and rapport. Does: "I couldn't help but notice you noticing me" still work? "

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

I mean, unless the woman is wielding a gun. Then you should fear her.

[–]robesta[🍰] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

I've seen lots of women shoot. You may not have to fear then then either. ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

IDK, man, I'm a woman that rarely misses, and you would definitely have something to fear if it was me. Then again, i don't leave the house with a gun because that shits looks weird if someone were to look through my purse or something.

[–]robesta[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You're the exception. I've seen awesome women shooters, but on average, the women in the military and law enforcement that I've seen are not good. :)

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

omg, those women are a joke. A lot of them (female cops that I've seen/known anyways) are out of shape, probably couldn't shoot the perp, much less keep up with them. It's ridiculous.

[–]robesta[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agreed. My female boss had her gun taken away from her a couple weeks ago because she couldn't qualify. It was disgraceful. I'm not saying all women can't shoot, but if I was a femalw boss, hell, if I was a male boss, you could be damned sure I'd meet the standard. How hard is it to get to a range and improve if you suck at shooting? She lost all professional credibility to me when that happened.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women have better (much better) fine motor control than men do. If, and it's a big 'if', (because she almost always can't) she can control her emotions, a woman makes a better sniper than a man. In surgery, woman often have better technique than men do, but again, emotions and lack of decisiveness condemn her to OB/GYN land. (Surgeons are the most alpha of all physicians. Most are pretty beta provisioners.)

[–]robesta[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its true. I have seen good women marksmen. However, on average, in my experience, even women that are trained to shoot are not good shots.

[–]GhostInTheRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As a rule of thumb, yes, but it's not an intense staredown contest. If they are generally looking away before you, that is a sign that you are dominant. If you want to break eye contact first, for example because you want your attention on something else, do so in a casual manner and go sideways.

[–]RPSavant0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like how you change your ways after you see it got zero results. The worst that could happen is for someone to get into a sort of positive feedback loop. where they get zero results and so they think they aren't being nice enough so the become even more beta.

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[–]nathanpaulyoung8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Or stupid enough to listen to the gender we're trying to attract.

[–]1deptii12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Like a fisherman listening to the fish's advice on how to catch them.

[–]1independentmale4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

for those of us stupid and easily swayed enough to listen to the media / educational institutions

You mean everything and everyone we know? I'd hardly call someone "stupid" or "easily swayed" for believing systemic indoctrination that starts when we're young children and continues throughout our entire lives.

I believed in Santa when I was young, too, until I started to get a basic grasp of physics. Likewise, I believed I needed to be a white knight and save women from themselves until it blew up in my face with a wife who wasn't attracted to and had no respect for me, but needed a ticket out of the trailer park. Neither of these false beliefs were my fault. I was taught them from a young age, as were the rest of us.

It's not easy to go against everything you've ever been taught. For many, it's impossible. Taking TRP is akin to trying to explain to the rest of your classmates in Kindergarten that Santa isn't real. You'll be met with fierce resistance from people who have sat on his lap and opened his presents and saw that he enjoyed the milk and cookies they left for him. They know for a "fact" that he's real and how dare you say otherwise?

[–]Samuikr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Similarly, men overvalue the value of looks because they are attracted to good looks and young age.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm a woman, and I boast....about my cooking. Sorry, not sorry. But my homemade chicken pot pie recipe is to die for. Flaky golden crust made from scratch? Who wouldn't want to brag about that shit.

Also, I don't think it's fair to call women bossy for being confident. There's nothing wrong with a woman who is confident, but there is everything wrong with a woman (or man for that matter) who thinks confidence is something you brag/boast/talk about. It should go before you without needing to be said. Anyone who has to talk about their confidence isn't confident. It's that "talk/walk softly, but carry a big stick" kind of thing.

[–]1deptii1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe boast isn't the right term. Loud. Brash. Cocky. Arrogant. These all sound more accurate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Brash is good. Women should never be brash. It's unfeminine. I've often thought on what the values of femininity are. What does it mean to be a woman. I think every woman should strive to be a "lady." I mean this in the sense of pursuing elegance of word, action, and mind. To be a woman is to bring the beauty of life to fruition. I don't know if this fits with what you guys think here. kind of my own personal ramblings.

[–]NillaThunda0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I love the "Nice Guy" one. There is even a well known saying negating this idea.

[–]attempt_again0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

SIW?

Checked sidebar, didn't see it

[–]1deptii4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sorry, it's not a TRP term. Strong Independent Woman, who "don't need no man".

[–]1xwm-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why was this response downvoted?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, and this is why in past times young girls were taught to act feminine, and young boys reminded to act masculine; without guidance, people would assume what was attractive to them was attractive to others, when in reality it was the exact opposite.

[–]FinickyFizz-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jack_Schitz in the comments says this : " Dominant men will collaborate, ignore or attempt to crush other dominant guys in their life"

I have been doing the crushing thing subconsciously for a long time and never knew what I was doing until he put it in words and I am starting to realize that, that might not be the best of things to do. Like he says collaboration is more important in this context.

Would love to hear from the community what it feels

[–]1browndelicious39 points40 points  (2 children) | Copy

Confidence is attractive, arrogance isn't and there's a big difference between. It applies to both genders.

I've met plenty of women who are confident, still feminine, and very attractive. I've also met women who look good but attraction quickly fades if they have little confidence in themselves. Women come off as dim-wits, mousy, flaky, or neurotic when they lack self confidence. After the fucking is done, what authentic alpha wants such a low quality woman by his side? It doesn't matter what she looks like.

Now, show me a woman who is in love with her life, has a positive mental attitude, and is bursting with vitality. In a photography, she might look like a 5 but she'll come off as a 7 or even higher in person.

Luckily, it's easy to spot the difference. Dressed like a hooker? Probably has self-esteem and self confidence issues. Too much makeup, a need to be the center of attention...tell-tale signs.

Happy hunting, gentlemen.

[–]soulracer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is exactly the point that needs to be underlined more often around here. Totally correct. We need to see more posts defining the positives in women to seek, which too often seems to just be mindlessly defined as the opposite of anything positively male. Feminine isn't helpless, complaint, and weak. I certainly would get bored with someone like that.

On another note, arrogance is an explicit display to show that you have value, but it's often masking lack of confidence with attitude. It's a subtle difference, but can be spotted, maybe not right away. That's why some girls get tricked by being an arrogant asshole. I've been called an asshole many times and like that as a first impression to get attention, but promptly turn it around to show it's it's just confidence of humor and fearlessness, and build comfort then.

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Confidence is attractive, arrogance isn't and there's a big difference between.

It depends. To whom? That's always the question. There might be women who like arrogant bastards, or vice versa.

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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

Ya. I would rather have a woman the knows she can succeed in her goals than one that wallows in doubt and self pitty.

[–]1independentmale3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've had both. I'm with the confident one now and prefer it. Yes, she's a handful. The mousey ones are easier to deal with, but it's hard to be attracted to someone who is afraid of her own shadow and can't do the most basic of tasks. It felt like I was parenting her most of the time.

[–]md619-4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Stop projecting your ideals about what confidence should look like. High self worth is high self worth no matter the consequences to others.

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[–]md6191 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No you want to believe that it's insecure. Because those kind of people probably have made you miserable your whole life. And the fact that TRP is forcing you to consider the fact that maybe the people you hated so much had it "right" the whole time is killing you.

Everyone loves TRP when it's about "self-improvement" and "being the best man you can be". But guess what? Everyone can get behind self-improvement. That's not why were hated by the entire reddit community.

We're hated because we expose uncomfortable truths. And this is going to be one of yours.

There is nothing inherent about being bossy that means you're insecure. In fact, it's just the opposite. Being able to bully other people in terms of the social hierarchy means you're "above" them because they have to do what they say.

There's nothing that says you have to have the respect of other men in order to have confidence. There are dark triad serial killers, drug dealers and other dregs of the earth that can make women drop their panties faster than any "respectable leader".

There's nothing that even says you have to be liked by other men in order to have confidence and be attractive. The higher up the social latter you go often the more enemies you're likely to make. Men will either be gunning for what you have or jealous that they don't have it. It's easy to be likeable when you're a loser. Ever heard the expression "it's lonely at the top"?

As far as being dominating, I can tell you right now there's almost nothing that turns a woman on more than seeing her man dominate another man.

There are people who behave in a way that people can clearly see is an act. Women will often shit test these fakers out. But since RPS clearly wasn't talking about those kind of guys your comment is not only meaningless but actively dilutes what we try and teach guys here.

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[–]incraved0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I don't think that's what he was trying to say

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We're both saying we're attracted to confident women. I was adding the point that confidence is women's way to separate the alphas from the betas. She won't be attracted to a beta that grovels at her feet.

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That's a separate point from what he was saying. It sounded more like you were adding to his point because you began with "exactly"

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Here's the problem: The internet has created an echo chamber for women.

Thousands of lonely, feminine betas are giving women this information and making them believe it's true even though women would NEVER fuck any of these guys in reality.

Basically this is the modern world: Betas giving bad advice to women that will never fuck them, and women giving bad advice to betas to prevent them from ever fucking them.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

I've met men who were legitimately attracted to female confidence. Without a single exception these men were extremely effeminate, supplicating betas. It seems to me that the men who want to take on the woman's role in a relationship have no problems dating women who take on the man's role.

Of course, we all know what women think of men who are effeminate.

[–]1browndelicious14 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy

Feminine confidence might better called grace and gracefulness is very attractive

Contrast these videos.

Here's that annoying Pantene feminist advertising campaign. It shows women who take on physical traits of high status, confident men. Women who behave like men are simply not attractive. Horrible marketing for a beauty product, by the way.

Now check out Audrey Hepburn at 60 years old. She's obviously lost much of her physical attractiveness (30+ years post wall) but she's still beautiful. Notice the humility and the radiance. Go watch her in countless movies, interviews, and television programs when she was in her physical prime. Check out how she handled an interview 30 years earlier.

Audrey was a graceful, confident but humble, deeply attractive, high quality woman. She's confident because she knows what she knows and doesn't hesitate to admit it. That's authentic confidence.

She also did some amazing things outside of her acting career. Do you think supplicating betas were her choice of a mate? Guess again.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good distinction. I suppose it would be more accurate to amend my original post to state that effeminate men don't mind being with aggressive women, i.e. women who act like a dominant male.

A woman who is self-assured is attractive.

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[–]human_bean_0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

but she's still beautiful

No she's not. She's a walking husk. Sure, she's charming. But she's not beautiful. At all.

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It's ok if you like 'em curvy, bro. The majority opine...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3763887.stm

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I don't like grannies. Sorry, bro.

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The most valuable trait in a woman- in anyone really- is grace. Being able to react to a kid throwing up all over you by not screaming at them, freaking out, or going to the corner to cry is more valuable than all the confidence in the world. Confidence is fleeting because at the end of the day, you will eventually be out of your element, and if you think at that point the most important thing to do is look like you know what you're doing....

ooooh boy. The things that can go wrong.

[–]jesusrp7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

So here's a question:

As of late, my sister has noticed in movies that the dominant alpha main character always ends up falling for the girl who was rude to him after he initially tried to flirt with her or whatever.

I've noticed that this is correct, and I was wondering why this is so? Is it that he sees her as a challenge and goes for her, or is that Hollywood is making these movies trying to project "men love confident women who are rude to them"?

[–]TheSKSpecial13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've noticed that this is correct, and I was wondering why this is so? Is it that he sees her as a challenge and goes for her, or is that Hollywood is making these movies trying to project "men love confident women who are rude to them"?

The latter. It's the fantasy of a woman being able to "tame" the alpha, y'know, get the "bad boy" alpha fux to turn good beta bux just for her, and women eat it up. And as we all know, women spend way more than men do.

It's the female equivalent of the nerd getting the hot girl.

[–]CreepAcceptance0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There was a post yesterday which covered that "taming an alpha" is very common in female erotica. See thread "Edward Cullen and Shemales - A short presentation on human sexuality by a cognitive neuroscientist".

One of the points from the linked video, as summarised by /u/Super_Positive , was:

The presenters remark that "Women want their men like coconuts" - In other words the vast majority of romance novel males have a 'tormented past' that leaves the heroine to help the "alpha male hero" to heal his emotional wounds and then declare his love for her. Women want to 'fix' men, the characteristics of an alpha male like dominance, aggression and confidence that arouses women don't go hand in hand with characteristics that make him likely to stick around like caring, emotionally open, loving etc. By a woman healing or fixing an alpha male, he will stay with her.

[–]SenorPuff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or is it showing that alphas can get oneitis and be betafied if it goes on long enough? Ever notice how the relationship in said movies is usually based on some shit that nobody in their right mind would think was the foundation of an actual good relationship? Movies aren't real. If they're entertaining because of the irony, then it is deliberately a nearly impossible situation. If they're preaching a message, then it's an agenda.

[–]soulracer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Depends on the details of this. I personally like a girl that's not easy to get and a little bitchy. By this I mean she's playing the game, no actually being rude and dismissive. If it's not very difficult to get a girl, you get bored, and you end up wanting to play a bit more. Gaming is fun. Also a hot girl needs to be bitchy so she's not inundated with men, and it selects the for the guy who doesn't get bothered by it.

[–]soulracer5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

IMO, there is a feminine confidence and a masculine confidence. I agree with the general idea of the post, but those are different and what's being referred to is the male confidence, which we all know.

A feminine confidence would a girl secure in her femininity, sexiness, or sociability. I like a girl that's not necessarily cowering in the corner with poor self-esteem, or is afraid to accentuate the sexy parts of her body. I actually don't like girls that are too passive because I find it boring. She has to be confident about her worth to play the game but in a complementary way. Arrogance and aggression isn't the same confidence.

Don't have time to expand on this idea but I think it's important concept. Confidence doesn't have to be masculine, but simply good self-esteem, which is not unattractive to me.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, and let's face it. A girl who has a healthy amount of self-confidence, who isn't afraid to put in a little work in dating and relationships? Breath of fresh air. I'd be lying if I said I didn't like being approached by attractive women every now and then.

[–]aescetic9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm going to call bullshit on this, here's why.

1) everyone is attracted to something different. Some guys really do like confident women. Especially if you have no problems getting girls, a woman that is a challenge is really refreshing.

2) Confidence across the board is one of the most attractive traits a human being can have. Would you rather date a closet shut in tumblrina (the"timid" ones who will go psycho for you even looking at another girl) or a woman who at least knows what she wants in a man, and is confident that you won't cheat? Unless you're looking for a cock-sleeve with daddy issues you are going to want some confidence in a woman.

Don't get me wrong, I think red pill theory has a lot of valid points, but in my opinion this is not one of them. I really don't like these generalized topics. You can't say ALL guys like pushover women. It's simply not true.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once you adopt some Red Pill habits and mindsets, you'll notice a very strange phenomena: girls/women stare 10X harder and longer than you ever thought you could get away with.

Then you realize this whole "eye rape" thing itself is mostly an instinctual projection, and when women complain about this it's an attention grabber at best, and at worst a shit test. They will stare at you past the point of comfort. Just glaring at you really...

Why? Because they don't want to approach you explicitly; this is their only way to express interest. They think that shit is subtle, and it is in the sense that when it happens to you, you know you're the only one who caught it. But in terms of just you and her? Once you become Red Pill you recognize that stare for what it is: a subtle bag of bricks.

When I'm walking on campus and I'm passing chicks, I'm borderline military in my posture and the direction of my eyes. I can feel it when I'm being stared the fuck down...

One time in high school I went on a date, where she brought like 5 friends and I was with one friend of mine. I swear this one chick just had my crotch on lock-down and I wanted nothing more than to ignore my date and start talking to her. But I was a beta bitch and maintained complete interest on the girl I had "committed" my attention to that night. It didn't go anywhere with her either...

[–]SoSaltyDoe2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Men are just attracted to physically attractive women. Yet most physically attractive women aren't confident at all."

It takes work for men to be physically attractive. Hitting the gym, proper diet, buying clothes and getting a style that works etc. But it takes even more work for women to be physically attractive. Megan Fox doesn't just roll out of bed looking amazing. On top of keeping their body toned and wearing a style that works for them, women have to do their make-up right, maintain a more complex hair-style than most men, groom themselves more meticulously, and other things of that nature.

If she's already confident in what she's doing, what she's getting out of life, and her interactions with other people, why bother putting in the all that work? She doesn't. Confident women don't feel the need to put in more work to be physically attractive, and are thus deemed less attractive.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men love insecure physically attractive women. Actually, I can't speak for all men, so I'll just say I love insecure physically attractive women. I've met lots of nice looking women who seemed be insecure, complaining about how they didn't like some of their physical features, etc. But it didn't make me any less attracted to them.

I think women saying men like confident women is the equivalent of some men thinking that women are automatically attracted to good looking men, which isn't always true. Just cause men tend to be attracted to "x" doesn't mean women will be, and vice versa.

[–]Televangelis2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, nope. Married a confident woman and it's awesome. Do better at life, kid.

[–]The Private ManZamarski0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And you do better at marriage, kiddo.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Men don't care for confidence in women because if a man's confident, she need not bring it to the table. She's not complementing him with it.

Think of it this way. You and HB8 walk up to a table and put what you have on it. You whip out your dick on it. And then she whips a dick out too. No complement to offer and you walk.

You fill the void with what you don't have. It's why feminine males are so comfortable with the feminist bullshit. They need the women to make up the masculinity that they are lacking themselves.

[–]TheSKSpecial3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Think of it this way. You and HB8 walk up to a table and put what you have on it. You whip out your dick on it. And then she whips a dick out too. No complement to offer and you walk.

That was an incredibly fucked up image, but a damn good analogy.

[–]1PaulRivers103 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think this misses the mark. As "soulracer" alluded to, there's a difference between male confidence and female confidence.

There's a lot of things women do to be "confident" that are unnattractive:

  • Sociopathic/narcissistic control-freak confidence - women find this attractive in a man, but men mostly don't find it attractive in a woman. The well-off sociopathic/narcissistic man in particular doesn't like being undermined and controlled by the woman - that's what he does, he doesn't want competition.

  • A woman who is confident in the crap that women are told and believe. "I'm not here to meet guys" "I would never do something like that" "I'm waiting until marriage before I even kiss the guy".

But the super insecure, unconfident girl isn't exactly attractive either - we put up with girls flaking because we have to, but it's not a turn on. The girl who changes her mind every 2 seconds we sometimes put up with, but it's not "sexy". The girl who refuses to leave the house several days a week because she's "having a bad hair day" and "doesn't feel beautiful" - that isn't a turn-on.

Scarlett Johansson and Milena Kunis both play "confident" female characters who guys overwhelmingly find hot. Female confidence is clearly not a turnoff.

I think the word that's a turnoff is more like "bossy" or "domineering" kind of confidence that women like in men but that's annoying as heck with women - or guys that are trying to have power over you that have no reason or competence to do so.

[–]soulracer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Quick point. Instead of complaining about women being too confident. Just be a bigger man and not a whiny pussy. She'll get in line. How many fucking whiny bitch posts must I read on this forum every day.

An example. A girl I was seeing. A couple of my friends had this impression that she's domineering and difficult. Little did they know how she was with me. I could do anything with her. She just needed someone stronger and craved it. And yes she was hot and confident.

[–]NoFatChicks881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i dunno, man. i think the femme fatale concept is pretty sexy.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would explain it differently from my understanding of TRP.

Confidence in a woman is like Beta/Provider ability in a man. It CAN attract you to her. Side note: One of my earliest criteria was having a GF who was not a "Klingon" which I defined as: I could leave alone at a gathering and she would find people to entertain her until I returned. Not a high bar but that does include some "confidence."

However, this attraction is NOT sexual attraction but rather the identical psychological "attraction" women feel towards their Beta Bucks. Cool, nice, sweet. NOT mantingles (boner) inducing but something that might be nice in a prospect. Dibs on credit for the word "Mantingles."

[–]rhettdu1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Obviously it depends on your context, but let me tell you a story.

A couple years ago, I was at a club. I was having a smoke talking to some friends (yeah this was back when you could smoke in clubs). This fine little thing walks up to me, and without saying a word, she took the cigarette out of my mouth, used it to light her own, gave me hers and walked off with my own.

Can confidence be sexy - hell yeah

[–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I do have one issue with this, maybe... I'm sort of working it out as I type.

If you take a 10 and put her in nursing scrubs, she's still hot. But when you put her in a mini-skirt with her tits hanging out, it's WAY MORE hot.

Same girl. Now more attractive.

I always thought that was because her willingness to dress herself up showed a degree of confidence. And figured that's part of what I found attractive.

And I still think that's true. But I think it's true for Betas. Because seeing a girl with that confidence, a beta will look at her and think, "If I can get with her then I'll have that confidence too. It'll rub off on me!" You want what you don't have...

But I don't know. Because I don't much like a girl who acts like a scared mouse. I want a degree of self-respect and confidence that she can't attract a man.

And again, you take the same girl, dress her up, she requires a certain degree of confidence in order to go out of the house.

So is it just some lingering betaness in me that thinks confidence is attractive? Are only betas attracted to that because they lack it?

I have no idea. But I'd love to hear your thoughts.

[–]venturecapitalcat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men are attracted to whatever the fuck they want to be attracted to. Some men are DEFINITELY attracted to confident women because that is what they like. There is no "lie" insofar as you can't talk about all men; in my life, the red pill is about how neither men nor women (no person) should have an influence on the things that I find meaningful in life, even if these things go against the grain of popular opinion.

[–]jkonine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like women whose confidence isn't directly triggered by their looks.

You'd be very surprised to see how rare that is these days in our social media obsessed world.

[–]f3yleaf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Submissive women are sexy, insecure women not so much.

[–]maximumutility0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like confidence in women when it is soft spoken and supported by competence and ability. I don't think confidence and caveman-like chest beating are interchangeable

[–]Tom_The_Human0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like confident women...then again I like tom boys and ultra feminine women just irk me shudders

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am incredibly attracted to confident girls.

Girls who are confident in their sandwich making and cleaning abilities.

[–]legauge1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A woman who expresses a masculine type of confidence comes across as bossy and domineering, a very effective attraction-killer.

It's true. I already have a mother, I don't need a second one.

[–]itsarusko1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am incredibly attracted to confident girls.

Usually it's the 'dark triad' type chicks. They're manipulative, they know their worth, they're HOT.

Seriously, these girls get me so fucking hot for them, it's insane. I LOVE when I turn these 'hard ass' chicks into my slut and I dominate them.

[–]wazzym1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't think this belong in Theredpill. I def like Confident women, Good looking women tend to have more confidence than ugly women. I wouldn't want a woman who keeps asking for my validation all the time. I want a woman who is happy with herself.

[–]The Private ManZamarski1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's likely you prefer self-assured women. Confidence is a masculine word. And I stand by that assertion.

[–]wazzym1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hmmm today I learned the difference between Self-Assured & Self-Confidence. I didn't know there was a difference.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, I want women to show some damned humility.

Pretty much a unicorn defining trait these days. You're far more likely to run into land whales with super heightened sense of entitlement than you are to run into a woman with some humility.

Pretty much the only chance you have for scoring a woman with some humility is by way of a religious community. Whether that's like Mormons, Amish or Muslims. Works great for red pill men who are religious though.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A lot of women project and think that if they're attracted to something, then men are attracted to it as well. In fact, some men probably do the same thing.

But I don't think most men care much about women's confidence. I don't like domineering women. I'd prefer an insecure woman to a domineering, "confident" one. With women it would be the opposite. Most women would prefer a bossy, domineering man to an insecure one.

[–]ButterMyBiscuit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Today I learned: the word mien. I like it.

[–]Jrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not directly no, but we're more likely to hit on or fuck a confident woman. She will flirt more, give eye contact, all around give more signals of receptivity. She'll also dress sexier and put herself in more courtship situations.

[–]truthfortrolls0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So, women think that men are attracted to the same characteristics in a woman. It simply doesn’t work that way.

Speak for yourself. I'm fine with confident women. I think a lot of men date women without confidence because they are insecure as fuck. I think there are women that do the same.

In fact, having to hang around a girl that lacks confidence gets fucking annoying really fast.

[–]The Private ManZamarski0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice try at shame, kiddo.

Check your projection.

[–]altra_hex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's interesting, because I like the idea of saying that confidence in a woman is an attractive trait. If someone asked me before, I probably would have gave that an easy affirmative.

Now that you point this out though, I honestly think I find the more thoughtful/shy feminine demeanor to be the more attractive. Obviously that's on a spectrum though. Too much of anything becomes a turn off.

[–]bobbycorwin1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I actually am. but I grew up watching, and had/have a thing for Grace Jones.

[–]animalpoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

an interesting study has illustrated this in organizational psychology in respect to traditional make traits . Students where shown a video of male and female managers, they where asked to rate the managers on their effectiveness .The aggressive male condition was shown to be viewed as more assertive however aggressive female was viewed less favourably and seen as less in control of the situation.

[–]PipingHotSoup0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Gonna have to call bs here.

The actress that plays Daenarys targaryen is like maybe an 8, but her character is confident as shit... and it works.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Words are practically useless these days, as people will redefine them to fit there purpose (See the entire alpha , beta debate).

A woman who expresses a masculine type of confidence comes across as bossy and domineering, a very effective attraction-killer.

Your definition of confidence is incorrect and you are redefining the word to fit your argument.

Confidence does attract women, but it takes so much more than that , such as assertiveness, dominance and so on, feminist keep telling guys to be confident simply because it makes the guy the problem and not the girl.

As for men not liking confident girls, that is simply a lie, do you really want a girl that sits in her mirror for 3 hours crying because someone didn't like her picture on instagram.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Look at how Western men run away from these "confident" Western women. They don't want bitchy women. They want women who are sweet and gentle. Some of the women in 3rd world countries may not have much formal education, but they know to make men happy. Even if they're not naturally submissive or gentle, they will pretend to be to make men happy. Meanwhile some of these western women have swallowed that garbage that they need to be "confident" "alpha" females to attract men, but instead just end up repulsing men away from them with their bitch attitudes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't second guess a promotion because it might price me out of the dating market. I do it for me alone.

Why would an alpha female worry about attracting a man? Why would their life revolve around finding a man?

I certainly wouldn't worry about how my job or attitude would affect the type of girl I could attract. If anything, it's a great litmus test for women I might actually date/marry.

People will show you how they are/what they want by how they act.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm attracted to confident women.

Then again I'm into femdom >_>

[–]iopq-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

If a woman is not confident, I just have no confidence in her ability to peg me right. No thanks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. This sub is just insecure to admit it!

[–]A_NIGGERFAGGOT-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This really reminds me of the whole penis envy thing

[–]Heizenbrg-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Coming back from an after happy hour full of networking and mingling, I was going to write about this.
Looks seem to matter less to me than before.
Realizing that I am a man and that a woman has to put an effort into getting to know you just as well as you do, many of these pretty ladies just don't cut it.
At the end of the day Its draining cutting through all their bullshit, their "playing hard to get" games, and what for?
Is her pussy really all that worth it?
I find a lively conversation with a lesser looking woman much more of a turn on that anything else.

[–]riyuugonepro-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you want to know how your long term GF has to be like, look at Queen Elizabeth II. She's ultra feminine, not domineering and she's the fucking queen! So when you see a very pretty and feminine girl, don't be an asshole, just reward her with masculinity and she will like you already. If you respond to her with anything remotely feminine you will kill the attraction, so if you slip up and loose frame. Correct that shit instantly if you're capable of catching any weak emotions.

when I manage to be well grounded and good RP frame. Eye contact becomes awesome. Males don't dare looking at me and female the opposite and they always "shy away" their gaze at me but with a slight smile, if you know what I mean.

But that's what work for me because of my facial feature, I do the pretty boy thing, which is awesome to attract women because they love it. Of course I still have a dominant frame over them otherwise I'm a big pussy and they hate that shit haha.

[–]tmpjb-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don''t think confidence is that important to women. It is often confused with social status and dominance. Showing low confidence tends to portray low amounts of both of these, but doesn't necessarily add to them. For example, if an attractive woman farted on you there would be a loss of the attraction. Saying confidence is attractive is like saying yeah i go don't fart on guys and get all the hot men. What i've seen people do is "up themselves" and approaching "confidently" while having too high of an energy level so it just comes off awkward. Awkward is VERY bad for men. There is something in psychology called congruence and if you are approaching women like it's nothing its going to come off badly. Instead be comfortable in the skin your in and be engaged in the interaction. Trying to act like a player when you don't look like one is like a fat girl taking attention whoring selfies - it just doesn't work.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its important to note that men are not the only receivers of poor dating/lifestyle advice. This "attractive alpha female" myth has been around for a very long time, and its causing quite a number of women to be posers, pretending to be confident by belittling and ball-busting others. Confident people don't obsess over being confident, its just their natural state. Confidence is driven in part by genetic factors and the environment one grows up in. Those with good genes and who are from good social backgrounds a) don't have to make an effort at appearing confident because its just who they are and b) are actually attractive to other people because they give off subconscious signs that they have good DNA and are not trying to fit a pre-determined role. Most people can sniff out fakes, bad DNA and emotional baggage a mile away. Everyones heard of the "strong-independent black woman" stereotype. Well, what other options do you have than being strong and independent when statistically you're not going to have a man in the house to take care of you? Women take on the leadership role when theres an actual need for it. The only thing these poser alpha women are doing is driving away sensible guys and upsetting the power balance within their relationships.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think the point of the OP is men aren't attracted to so-called "attractive alpha female", it doesn't matter if they're "real" or "posers". That behavior just doesn't generally attract men. If anything, men tend to like submissive and gentle women. Men and women aren't attracted to the same things. Men just don't care about confidence in a woman.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (24 children) | Copy

Murraay, this isn't my blog. I included a snippet because I don't want to shamelessly violate copyright, and can only sticky text posts.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (23 children) | Copy

I'm sure. Apologies, but given how TRP / seduction community leaders thrive off of thinly-veiled pitches to young, impressionable men, the cynical position is the default position.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (22 children) | Copy

Private Man has been a staple manosphere blogger for as long as I can remember. He does online dating coaching (helping construct profiles) and has done help-chats for TRP members. He does so on a donation basis only.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (21 children) | Copy

He does so on a donation basis only.

Exactly. There's always money involved with these blogs.

But maybe you don't agree with my cynicism. Maybe you take offense to the implication that whether this is your blog or the blog of some friend, you're pushing a blog for selfish purposes. That's fine. Feel free to take offense and disagree. This is still a shit article with no substance.

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy

If you don't like the article, critique and move on. But I am taking offense to your call of impropriety.

The moderation team here is a selfless group that spends countless hours wading through bullshit and trolls to bring you a well maintained forum- for no thanks, no pay, and no vacations. It's labor intensive and really damned annoying when we get pricks like you that think "oh this one particular thing doesn't meet my expectations, I haven't done one fucking thing to help, but I'm going to complain anyhow."

Private man collects donations from people who have taken his advice on online profiles and feel that it's helped. The donations go to him, not to us. And you know what- if people feel like giving him some money because he dedicated time to helping them with their problem, I say fair game to him.

You don't like the content, so you complain. Perhaps you'd be better off at a different forum where things are specifically crafted to tickle your fancy, princess. And while you're at it, why don't you have some shut the fuck up while the wait staff removes the pea from your mattress and the stick from your ass.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (18 children) | Copy

But I am taking offense to your call of impropriety.

No worries. I gave you permission to take offense. I just find it amusing that a TRP moderator would shamelessly promote some buddy blog with a big Donation Button in the top right corner. Given you're whipping out the [M] tag, I obviously struck a nerve.

You want to turn this subreddit into an /r/feminism, where people are banned for dissent, by all means. You want to let this subreddit patrol itself with upvotes and downvotes, by all means. I really don't care. It's a shit article and it's blatant promotion, and I'm not going to censor myself to please you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy

Trolling =/= dissent. You aren't even putting forth a logical counter-argument; you're just mindlessly throwing out ad hominem attacks and shaming language to see what sticks. It's crystal clear whom here has had a delicate nerve struck.

[–]huoyuanjiaa2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy

I actually think he did put forth a logical argument in his original post and that he does not appear to be trolling but is just going against the flow a little. To me it is also common sense but it's good to remind myself of it, he's right in that there is no data. As for the blog thing, I don't if what he says is the case but I don't immediately close my mind to the possibility.

[–]robesta[🍰] 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy

To me it is also common sense but it's good to remind myself of it, he's right in that there is no data.

Data is not a prerequisite for analysis and original thought. Many men take it for granted that they are attracted to confident women. It's always good to question that which we take for granted, especially when what we take for granted is a fruit of feminism.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Find it amusing elsewhere. We're not here to satisfy you.

[–]The Private ManZamarski0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am The Private Man. Wordpress does not let me put up ads. I tried once. It did not go well. I have no direct relation to this sub-reddit. I am flattered that I got the sticky. Mr. redpillschool gets nothing ($) in return other than my thanks.

Oh, hit the donate button. Ha!

[–]ddundly-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

NO man likes a "confident" women, in these terms.

Men like women who are confident in their femininity, and are not ashamed to be submissive and act like a woman.

This other "confidence" that feminists preach about just makes women superficial, bitter, and ultimately lonely.



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