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15 Reasons Why Toronto Is The Worst City - (This article describes a number of places I've been. Do a reality check for the climate in your area, how much is your city hurting your game?)

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March 18, 2013
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http://www.rooshv.com/15-reasons-why-toronto-is-the-worst-city-in-north-america-for-men


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Title 15 Reasons Why Toronto Is The Worst City - (This article describes a number of places I've been. Do a reality check for the climate in your area, how much is your city hurting your game?)
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 7
Comments 55
Date 18 March 2013 06:13 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/174872
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[–]1of4213 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

TL;DR: Roosh is a fucking massive tool and couldn't get laid in one week going to the shittiest PUA-infested bars in the city. Thus, Toronto sucks.

I live in Toronto. My decent-looking, regular guy smooth, not PUA weirdo friends get ass all day and all night. The ones who show up reeking of pickup get looked at as the hilarious tools that they are. Seems like the Toronto scene is pretty much fine.

[–]RedSunBlue1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did this thread get SRSer/white knight bombed?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

about the PUA saturation... i was afraid of that. i remember reading The Game in 2006 and thinking, "we're all fucked if this becomes mainstream. sleazy peacocks will be everywhere, thus increasing womens' barriers overall." and so it has come to pass. really, avoid club districts like those described here. i have a lot more fun, spend less, and get to meet a lot more people going to smaller bars and seeing shows. plus, people you meet at rock or funk shows tend to have more character.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] -2 points-1 points  (40 children) | Copy

Nothing racist about having a preference for ethnicity.

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[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus-5 points-4 points  (23 children) | Copy

He prefers a Western European/ N. America manner of dress. That's his preference. Personally, I'm not a fan of burkas, doesn't make me racist, just means its not a style preference.

There's nothing racist about knowing what you like.

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[–]iloveteax0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

Uh, yeah, there is. Claiming a specific race is less-attractive, or unattractive, is completely, unarguably racist. Saying that a specific race isn't "that bad since they adopted a white manner of appearance" is just the icing in the idiotic cake.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -2 points-1 points  (12 children) | Copy

He didn't claim any specific race is objectively less attractive. He stated his preference for race, leaving the window open for anybody with different preferences to ignore the advice.

But you knew that, because it's plain english. So, you be trolling.

" if you like white girls"

" 30% of the female clientele will be filled with minority races that don’t appeal to discriminating men like myself"

So if you like minority races, you must not be like him.

[–]iloveteax1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

Oh, but then there's this little gem:

minority races that don’t appeal to discriminating men like myself

That little tidbit labels what he says as "discrimination." Discrimination based on what? Race, making it racist.

"But you knew that, because it's plain english. So, you be trolling."

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

Discriminating based on race.. for his personal preference of who to have sex with.

That's like saying because you only like sex with girls you're sexist against men.

[–]iloveteax0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Discrimination based on race is, without a doubt, racist, whether it's his "personal preference" or not. You obviously cannot even form a actual argument for why discrimination based on race is not racist (because there isn't one).

Also, comparing the difference between a man and a woman to the differences between a white woman and a woman of another race is beyond idiotic. Take two women of the same weight/body type, but different races, and rip their skin off. They are going to look exactly the same. Take a man and a woman and rip their skin off, and you get a whole glossary of anatomical differences.

For a man, having sex with another man is going to be extremely different than having sex with a woman, whereas having sex with a white woman would not be extremely different from having sex with an Asian woman, or a Hispanic woman, or a black woman. It would still be a penis going into a vagina, with a pair of breasts (as opposed to a penis going into an anus, or being penetrated by a penis). The fact that you'd even try and compare the differences between a man and a woman to the differences between women of different races speaks volumes about your level of education.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy

Ok so you're pretty thick. Let's parse this.

Discrimination based on race is, without a doubt, racist

Nope. Let's google:

rac·ism

  • The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as...

  • Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

He doesn't want to have sex with non-white people. He doesn't find them attractive. Does that project a belief that they possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race?

Further, does he discriminate because he believes they have characteristics or abilities specific to the race?

No. Discrimination in itself is a term that means "selective," as in "doesn't prefer all." If I don't drink all brands of cola, you could say I've got discriminating tastes. Perhaps towards Pepsi. But then, do I hate Coke? Do I hate Coke drinkers? That's absurd.

I already made the analogy but you seem to have completely missed it. Intentionally, I hope (because you're trolling). Because if it wasn't intention, you're just really really daft.

why discrimination based on race is not racist

Because he doesn't presuppose anything about them nor is he prejudiced. Here's a small english lesson for you: It's called context. Words have different meaning in different contexts.

For example: Dad won't let his daughter date black men, which is discrimination. (Racism, assuming qualities of black men are unfit for his daughter).

Dad isn't attracted to black women or their culture, he has discriminating tastes. (Not racism, stating a preference).

Also, comparing the difference between a man and a woman to the differences between a white woman and a woman of another race is beyond idiotic. Take two women of the same weight/body type, but different races, and rip their skin off. They are going to look exactly the same. Take a man and a woman and rip their skin off, and you get a whole glossary of anatomical differences.

For a man, having sex with another man is going to be extremely different than having sex with a woman, whereas having sex with a white woman would not be extremely different from having sex with an Asian woman, or a Hispanic woman, or a black woman. It would still be a penis going into a vagina, with a pair of breasts (as opposed to a penis going into an anus, or being penetrated by a penis). The fact that you'd even try and compare the differences between a man and a woman to the differences between women of different races speaks volumes about your level of education.

You've simply got no understanding of analogies. How old are you? This will be covered in your middle school english class.

Let's simplify because you're retarded:

John doesn't find fat women attractive. Should he ignore his preference because it insults your sensibilities? Is his discrimination against fat people somehow unfair? Should John have any say in what he's attracted to?

This is where I normally leave my argument.. but since you're thick I'm going to draw the connection for you.

If you think it's ok for John not to date women he doesn't find attractive, then implicitly in your argument, he must therefore not be forced to date women he doesn't find attractive.

Read that twice. It's not even different words. It's the same sentence twice.

To force him to do otherwise would be oppressive. If he had no choice and you took control of his life and forced him to have sex with somebody he doesn't like.. you could call that slavery. Sex slavery.

And your argument is that the opposite of your slavery is racism?

Hmmmm...

[–]EdenC9960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TL;couldn't pay attention

[–]iloveteax0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

You can use whatever long-winded, petty argument you want, kiddo.

If you discriminate against people based solely on their race, you are a racist. The rest of it is just an attempt to make yourself feel like less of an ignorant twat.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

You see what you just did there? You just tried to explain to me with an "if, then" clause.

If X, then Y.

If you Discriminate, then you are a Racist.

Why should that sentence hold value or meaning if not acknowledging the implicit logic chain you just built?

And if logic is therefore a useful tool, then it must be consistent with itself.

(See what I did there? Another logical condition and implication.)

You cannot say: If you discriminate, then you are a racist. If you discriminate, then you are not a racist.

This is internally inconsistent- without even addressing the question of whether or not discrimination in itself is racist.

If logic is consistent, which you are assuming it is, because you just attempted to use it to change my mind about something, then you have to acknowledge that the only way to do disprove or dismantle somebody's logic is to point out where the logic breaks down.

But, you see, here's what you did instead. You just waved your hands and said, "whatever, you're just using words, don't mean nuthin'."

Of course the problem with that argument is that it's self defeating. If words mean nothing, your post means nothing.

It's absurd, and you appear illiterate. It does nothing to shake either my point, my understanding, nor the understanding of any onlookers who have just read this thread and watched me give you the metaphorical beat down of your life.

They teach logic in school, by the way. This time it's free, next time I'm charging.

[–]MightyCrotch0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I live in Toronto. I've commented on this before, Roosh went to the shitty "club district" bars when he visited Toronto... for one weekend. There's no way he has a full view of the city - and frankly if this is how much "research" he does for everywhere he visits, it puts a lot less credit on what he writes about places.

Last night - perfect example - hit up Sweaty Betty's on Ossington (FAR away from the "club" district). So many lovely ladies almost begging to be took home. Typically they're in camouflage ("nerdy" glasses, flannel shirt, tights) - but still lots of HB7+ to be had.

All that said - I think every city has the kinds of girls he described. One thing he got exactly spot on is the gorging-on-shit after hours. I live over a "smokes poutinery" and I've started taking girls inside my place the long way around so they don't see it and shriek "ZOMG I LOVE SMOKES" thereby forgetting we're on my way to my place to bang.

[–]quiet_wish1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He obviously puts different amounts of effort into books vs. blog posts.

[–]Return of Kingsrooshv-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

I spent at least 4 nights specifically in Ossington. I don't know what the club district is, because if I did my review would be ten times more negative.

[–]MightyCrotch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bummer. I remember reading you hit The Maddy and The Drake. Both way over hyped.

The club district is literally called "The Entertainment District", and about 5 years ago it was a fantastic hot spot. These days it's crowded with 905'ers who are bussed in from the suburbs by the clubs. I almost wish you did hit one of them just for the comparison.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I can't comment on Toronto specifically since I've never been there. But as a six-year resident of Los Angeles and frequenter of the West Hollywood scene, I can say that this phenomenon isn't unique to Toronto.

It seems to me that this is more symptomatic of western feminism aggregate effect on women and society than on a specific region's cultural mores.

And as far as shallow women who believe implicitly that their beauty will carry them through life, you can't beat LA.

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[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The man has been to Ukraine. He should be permitted to grieve.

Funny and accurate report; just name the city and fill in the blank.

[–]RedSunBlue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tokyo's pretty great if you like Japanese chicks.

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Just left Toronto after living there for years. The friendliness of women where I am now has been throwing me for a loop. I keep forgetting Toronto is full of assholes. Roosh nailed this one.

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[–]zaferk-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

that only seek out and try to make friends with people of the same race as them

The same is true of all people, include white people.

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[–]zaferk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You missed my point.

I'd ask how many white friends you have, but it seems like you already dislike your own group a wee bit.

[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

From what I read here, this describes most population centers of the western world. Does anyone know of anywhere in N. America that isn't shit?

[–]quiet_wish2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Roosh loves Montreal.

[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well my passport renewal is about to come through...maybe road trip time

[–]Michael_Cassio-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Was digging the article until he implied that Mystery was a joke.

What works, works. This community is about sharing and growing. Not tearing apart and trying to prove you're the best. Sounds needy to me.

If you're good, let your work rise above the rest. Don't try to debunk other people's success in a feeble attempt to look good.



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