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You can't define what men find attractive! I'll tell you what men find attractive!

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April 11, 2013
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Title You can't define what men find attractive! I'll tell you what men find attractive!
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 31
Comments 32
Date 11 April 2013 01:21 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/174892
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1c3soj/you_cant_define_what_men_find_attractive_ill_tell/
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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy

The good stuff actually starts here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1bzd1c/as_a_single_guy_in_his_mid_20s/c9cgv4o?context=2

and it appears this guy stands by his comments .. since he has now deleted them all.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 26 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're an internet bully.

Says the guy who tracked me down from my userpage to a post on a different sub!

I hope you're proud of yourself.

As proud as any man who wins a game of chess against a pigeon.

Listen, I wrote out that post to explain to you where I was coming from. You didn't have to get all emotional and rage quit, you could've rebutted if you felt I was wrong.

Edit: Aww, you ninja edited your post. Come now, stand by at least something you say. Have some balls!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, you simply didn't read it, and you drew the wrong conclusions. I know this because I read your posts.

Lol... POW! Right in the kisser!

[–]zionController4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Edit: Aww, you ninja edited your post. Come now, stand by at least something you say. Have some balls!

haahaha had a good hearty laugh about this after seeing the post get deleted. Nice rps

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

"You don't have to date every person you find sexually attractive, but I would argue you do have to be sexually attracted to every person you date."

What was his argument against this?

I'm imagining something along the lines of "haha her personality is so much more important you neanderthal"

Classic blue pill reaction btw.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

There was an argument that men prefer older women with good personalities. RedSunBlue pointed out that men don't search "old with good personalities" on porn sites.

Somebody points out that you wouldn't date porn stars.

I point out that their looks certainly don't make them datable, but that without looks they are definitely undatable.

This kid asserts that I'm in my twenties and haven't matured yet to start liking mature women. And that generalizing men to like younger women is factually incorrect.

You can kinda work out what was said between my responses from there.

[–]thepilliswhat10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy

I made an account just to ask you a question about this post. Not a troll, just trying to figure out how much truth this way of life holds.

So the question is this: You said in your post that there are many instances when men will date older women because they will date anything they can get their hands on.

What about cougars/milfs? Of course by this I mean women in their late 30's/early 40s who haven't let themselves go. The guys I know all look to bag a cougar, even the more alpha ones.

Also, I get the whole "grandma porn is a kink and everyone is a little weird" thing, but what about MILF porn? Pornstars like Julia Ann are wildly popular, even though they don't fit the young and skinny mold. It seems the older woman thing is much too popular to call it a kink.

Context: I'm a 24 yo single female.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is no black-and-white guide to what men find attractive. It's true, some guys will bag a milf, some guys find themselves incredibly effective at bagging milfs. Undeniably, some milfs are just plainly sexy.

Look at it from this angle: What men find attractive in women are signs of fertility. They subconsciously (or consciously) pick up on attributes like hip width, breast size, health, skin, and so on. These features are beneficial to men, whose sexual appetites are primarily driven by the programming in their mind (from their ancestors who were fertile enough to carry on their genes - the basis of evolutionary psychology).

It's a gradient of course. A majority of 20 year old women are fertile and have perhaps 15ish years to birth. Less women at 30 (and fewer years). Far, far less at 40.

Even the women at 30, who may be able to birth one or two children before becoming infertile still have a disadvantage over the 20 year old girl who has many many birthing years ahead of her (and therefore historically were able to provide more genetic offspring for her mate than the older women).

So ultimately what a woman will find that as she ages, her options will diminish. We call that "the wall."

Now, like you mentioned, it's not an uncommon trope, the concept of MILFS. But to understand, it's not because men naturally prefer older women- it's that some women are naturally able to appeal to men past the average age others cannot attract men (or attract less men).

It's not a naturally stated preference for men. All else being equal men would typically choose the younger. Even competing with herself, men would choose a younger version of her rather than the older. Whereas for women, the opposite might be found true (the older man is likely to have a better ability to provide provisions.) You can see it commonly stated on women's profiles on dating sites, that girls in their twenties will almost universally avoid men younger than them. This preference starts to fade as women reach 40, as men in their 40s are more likely to snatch up the girls in their twenties!

Now, that said, men are also limited in option, as the selected gender, and sexual attention from just about anybody can be enough to arouse a man to have sex. Rollo Tomassi says it best:

You see, men will very readily cater their physical sexual “preferences” in accordance with what has proven sexually successful for them in past experiences. In other words, men tend to return to the same watering hole they found to be plentiful in the past. These preferences of convenience manifest themselves as ‘fetishes’ for men. And you don’t even need all that extensive research to prove this. All one need do is search the vast variety of porn available catering to the physical attributes that men will fetishize. Big boobs, small boobs, big ass, small ass, every hair color of the rainbow, shaved snatch, hairy snatch, teen girls to MILFs and older, tan, pale, ultra-thin to the ubiquitous BBWs (Big Beautiful women). Ladies, name the physical attribute(s), and there’s a fan-group just waiting to bang you.

http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/womens-physical-standards/

[–]RedSunBlue11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're asking a lot of things concurrently here, but I'll try my best to answer.

You said in your post that there are many instances when men will date older women because they will date anything they can get their hands on. What about cougars/milfs? Of course by this I mean women in their late 30's/early 40s who haven't let themselves go. The guys I know all look to bag a cougar, even the more alpha ones.

Are your guy friends looking to bang cougars exclusively? Are they looking to start relationships with cougars? Are they saying "I'd love to find me a nice 40-something milf to settle down with." ?

My suspicion is that cougars/milfs are more willing to be sexually adventurous and demand less commitment than their younger peers, thus making them intriguing to men seeking sexual novelty.

Put a cougar in a college pool party and I guarantee she's not going to be the first choice on the majority of the men's priority lists.

The point is, given the same level of availability, most men will choose youth.

Pornstars like Julia Ann are wildly popular, even though they don't fit the young and skinny mold. It seems the older woman thing is much too popular to call it a kink.

Wildly popular is an overstatement. You may be conflating MILF with older women, and this simply is not true.

This guy did a fascinating study on porn which more or less supports the argument for men preferring youth. Regarding the frequency of words appearing in porn titles:

Teens really wipe the floor with the rest, although one could argue that many of the other roles could be teen-aged (well, 18 or 19, in legal porn). MILFs (Mothers I’d like to Fuck) coming in second place surprised me. They seem to offset the youth of the teens quite a bit—or do they? Just how old is the average woman who appears in a MILF-themed porn flick? Well, I found out by sampling 100 movies from the database and viewing the profiles of the women who starred in them. The average age of a MILF in porn is thirty-three. 20% of the ‘MILFs’ were 20–25 years old, 7% were over 40, and 4% were over 50.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Since we're going on evidence based on guys you know, let me tell you this. I'm a 30 year old guy, dating a 25 year old female exclusively. My best friend back home (age 29) is messing around with two 40 year old "cougars" or "milfs." He's jealous of me.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup, cougar has basically just become a euphemism for cumdumpster... there's nothing wrong with them for a short fling, but I'd rather be dating a sweet young thing if I had the choice.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The guys I know all look to bag a cougar, even the more alpha ones.

My guess is these guys are in their early 20's or younger (18-25ish), once you've bagged a few cougars you realize that 18 year old pussy is where it's at, and you never go back. Either this or your friends are just looking for easy no strings attached sex (nothing wrong with this), which cougars have been known to provide. I bag a cougar occassionally myself, certainly isn't my goal for the long term though ~

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's the deal with cougars:

Like others have mentioned, some older women still look good.

Banging a cougar can also feel more realistic for guy than the 24-year old mega-hottie.

The most important point is that, young guys will often be down to bang a MILF, but you'll hardly find any younger guys proposing marriage to one.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

But, let me pose this question? How many young men, with access to young women to date would date a cougar?

The main appeal of a cougar to guys is the idea that an older woman has more sexual experience and is therefore better in the sack. A good lay is more what cougar hunters are after.

Plus if your alpha they are usually a pretty sure thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

but what about MILF porn?

It's a conspiracy! Score Group is founded and owned by women, so this is a devious plot to make young, impressionable minds associate ages past peak nubility with sexy.

Okay, I'm kidding you... but think about it.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

What the hell happened?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

This kid started disagreeing with me, but when I called him on it he just knocked over the chess board and called me an internet bully.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

The guy submits to SRS. Nothing surprising there.

[–]rkg-pua 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

Color me confused bro.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

It was a fun discussion before this wimp deleted all his posts. Now I just look schizophrenic.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

It was a fun discussion before this wimp deleted all his posts.

Consider making a habit of quoting people in your responses.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Noted.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

take a look at this thread mr redpillschool.

See all those posts that are deleted? You need to more consistently quote people that you debate, because a lot of them are fucking cowards.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah so I've learned! Next time...

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

I spent a lot of time on that long ass post that you didn't read. Just wanted to make sure somebody bothered reading it. If not the guy disagreeing with it, then maybe somebody here will learn from it.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Dude, they were already there. I was responding to RedSunBlue, who came from here well before our discussion.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1bxmzn/even_radviceanimals_is_starting_to_see_the_glitch/

[–]RedSunBlue6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

My comment is over here.

It was one of my better moments, judging from the amount of jimmies I rustled.

[–]RedPillCaveman7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Holy shit, someone seriously asked for peer reviewed proof that men and women don't look at porn the same amounts?

That guy ought to be laughed off the Internet.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the trickier parts of red pill theory is that some things are so self evident, nobody's done scientific research on it.



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