If she claims she’s ever been slipped a roofie, she has BPD and is lying.

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Title If she claims she’s ever been slipped a roofie, she has BPD and is lying.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 17
Comments 22
Date 15 July 2013 01:56 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/174938
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1ic7zu/if_she_claims_shes_ever_been_slipped_a_roofie_she/
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[–]red_pill_bob15 points16 points  (9 children) | Copy

I hesitate to ever deal in absolutes like that. There's always a reason to be skeptical, especially when the girl involved was already engaging in risky behavior, but I also know that the girl I am currently seeing was once drugged at a house party by someone who apparently did not realize that her solo cup was full of nothing but orange soda because she had volunteered to be the designated driver that night (as she frequently does--this girl is not much of a drinker, I've only ever seen her drunk in the safety of her own home).

I have no reason to believe that she has BPD, or that she is lying. Although, she also does not claim to have been raped, so there's that as well.

Sure, call it hamstering ("I would never have slept with that guy, I must have been drugged!"), poor impulse control, and a penchant for drama, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it BPD. Additionally, is it really lying if they truly believed that they were drugged? The hamster is powerful, and most women believe in it 100%.

[–]veggie_girl16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

If there's one absolute I think we can all agree on, it is that if you have to drug a girl to get sex from her then you are beta as fuck.

I mean seriously, he couldn't get consent or just find another girl? What a sniveling little beta bitch.

Not only was he unable to procure her consent, he also enjoys fucking a limp body. Is a limp body a good fuck? Honestly wtf. It's such a pathetic turn-off that men like him are essentially cock-blocking all of the good guys within a 100 meter radius.

[–]hammertime999-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

You want to know the worst thing about rape? Some beta got laid and redpillers got cock blocked.

[–]veggie_girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Huh? That is not the worst thing about rape. Are you quoting someone here?

It is however in everyone's best interest to keep fuckwads that drug people away. I mean holy shit, the worst thing about rape is obviously how it affects the victim. Lifelong emotional and mental scarring, unwanted pregnancy, disease, not to mention any physical damage. Being drugged doesn't make it any better, waking up and finding out something like that was done to you while you were asleep is terrifying.

Only ~0.1% of men are actual rapists, but say you host a social event and one slimy rapist makes it in and drugs a girl then rapes her. Next everyone hears about it and how it happened at your event. Now your reputation is going to be tarnished by that and women are going to be much less likely to attend. Any man who vouched for the culprit will also receive a bad rep. A girl who was raped is likely to develop trust issues and may avoid men after such an event. This is why, aside from general human consideration, it is in the best interest of men to prevent rapes.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

It's funny you mention, because xplat posted immediately after the response to your concern:

You don’t have to preface every generalization with “mostly”, when talking to men

[–]red_pill_bob2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm more talking about concluding that a woman who claimed to have ever been drugged is lying and has BPD. A generalization would be: women lie about being drugged. I don't have a problem with this--they do lie about it, that is clear. I also do not take much issue with 'women who lie about being drugged have BPD'. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that statement out of hand, but I don't have an issue with the generalization itself.

What I'm saying is that I don't find it productive or even logical to draw the conclusion that a woman who claims to have ever been drugged has BPD. The point being that even if you added a qualifier like 'mostly' to the original statement, I would still take issue with it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I can’t see how an honest reading could leave anyone to conclude that I believe that NO ONE has ever been given roofies. That’s not what the post was about.

There is no need to have tip-toe perfect all-clauses accounted for logic in every sentence. The obvious logical assumptions are assumed. We are not kindergarteners here. The readers of this blog are (nearly all) intelligent. See what I did there? The (nearly all) could be left out, as it would in normal conversation simply be implied and assumed.

[–]red_pill_bob1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I haven't done a good job of clarifying my viewpoint, but what basically my point is that I think "if she claims she's ever been slipped a roofie, she has BPD and is lying" is not a reasonable generalization to make when what the evidence says is: "women who believe they have been drugged really just drank too much".

Which, as I said, is simply my viewpoint, which is informed by my experiences and choices, as yours is by yours. Cheers!

[–]veggie_girl3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I talked about this on redpillwomen as well. Absolute statements, although being a logical fallacy, are okay to use when directed at an audience that understands these statements are not entirely absolute but rather just generalizations.

Edit: I think most women are incapable of rationally hearing absolute generalizations, not because they aren't smart enough, but because they are far too emotional to examine them objectively.

[–]Senior Contributorwhiskey_bearfist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that is a really great link to have on standby to quash that shit.

[–]Nutz763 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say it's an absolute as it does happen, but it is exceedingly rare as the UK studies have found. It's when a woman paints a picture of all this bad shit happening to her when you need to take a step back and realize SHE is the common denominator in her stories. What likely happened is she reframed things to place herself as the victim so she doesn't have to take responsibility for her poor decisions and actions leading up to bad things happening. I've known a variety of women like this and all of them were just nutters and I knew other people in their lives who told very different versions of what happened. Suddenly the boyfriend turned creepy stalker was the guy she hooked up with a couple of times and wanted to date her instead. Stuff like that.

Here's the 2 biggest red flags I'm mindful of these days that when combined indicate she's a nut job:

  • Claims to have a stalker

  • Claims to have been "almost raped"

Typically there's some subtle man-hating going on and they have a risk-taking personality.

[–]iKill_eu6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's my question. Does it even matter?

If she shows up somehow in my bedroom and breaks down claiming to have been roofied, then either 1) she's batshit crazy or 2) she has actually been roofied and suffers from emotional trauma.

I don't want to fuck her in either case. I certainly don't want a relationship with her in either case. So to be fair, she can have all the BPDs she wants, I'm not touching her with a ten-foot pole if the possibilities are 1) crazy or 2) heavy emotional baggage. They're equally bad for me.

[–]thereisnosuchthing6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

You guys who are calling for skepticism and assuming the best are thinking like men, about women.

You think to yourself that "YOU would never do that", "YOU" would never make up a lie like that, "YOU" would never tell such an absurdly stupid lie looking for attention ..a BAD kind of attention. It's very stupid, and you can't even see the point, you couldn't imagine how stupid a person would have to be to tell a lie like that, so urge patience and understanding.

Girls, on the other hand, tell lies like this all the time, both to each other and to men they are trying to be involved with in order to gauge their reactions and see whether or not they can use things like that to effect the guy. There are plenty out there who most certainly do have legitimate borderline personality disorder, or hystrionic/borderline traits. I work in the mental health field and I know that they are very common, more common than is even diagnosed because many of them have a narcissistic side which enables them to know what they're supposed to moderate and lie about in front of professionals to save face(pride in their pathetic lies and "saving face" is what they are all about by never admitting to their lies - thing is, they don't have the emotional depth to connect a person's reaction to their obvious lies as them being found out, so unless someone specifically calls them out on it they still think they are getting away with it ..because they're near-retarded even though they can feign intelligence - like psychopaths), and we aren't supposed to put things on people that don't come out of their own mouths even if we suspect it unless they are long-term patients and we are sure.

Never believe a girl who makes offhanded comments about "maybe they were raped" or "roofies", if they don't even know the name of the chemical after the supposed analysis, you can't believe them, and you should run the fuck away or say sorry something came up and you need to leave, fake a phone call, be nice to them so they don't think you've realized they're crazy and are abandoning them after judging them - because then YOU might become the new "he sort of raped me" even though you never even had sex with them.

Rape victims are typically NOT OPEN ABOUT THEIR RAPES. Sexually abused people are not typically open about their abuse/molestation until they really know you and trust you and have a real reason to make a remark or open up about it, they don't do it for attention.

[–]ClakacLacka0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I have to say this thread is one of the more ignorant ones I've see. Quite a lot of you are coming off as teenagers.

Rape victims are typically NOT OPEN ABOUT THEIR RAPES.

How many rape victims do you know? Friend was raped up in Seattle and he was pretty open about it. People had the same attitude that many of you are having here in thinking he was lying.

Also known a girl who was raped. She was pretty open about it too.

You all are dismissing these people yet I would say it is because they don't want to open up to ass holes like all of you are coming off as. You'd think they were lying.

The dude had to deploy to Iraq for 4 months because his company didn't believe he was raped. Medical didn't clear him to deploy but doesn't really take much to force someone. He is HIV + and had to fucking deal with ass holes like yall the whole time.

TRP is beginning to piss me off with how they don't support men. Yea the that link was about women lying about roofie, but you can see people shitting on anyone who ever said they were drugged and raped. Fucking pieces of shit up in here.

[–]thereisnosuchthing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're completely mistaking what was said. I know people who have been raped/abused, and I don't know any who "are pretty open about it". That's not something people generally talk about, and "assholes like us" don't pry.

Maybe you're not like us and if someone mentions something about a molestation in their childhood, you try to ask them all about it and get all the details? Because normal people also don't do THAT, and if you do, how do you not think that would make them uncomfortable? If they want to talk about it, they will - but people who "are pretty open about being drugged and raped" are typically not people who can be trusted.

You know someone who was raped? A guy and a girl? These friends of yours tell new people they meet that they were drugged and raped? Are you sure you're not dealing with psychologically disturbed people yourself? This is not something you bring up to people who you're new with, this is something you bring up to people that you trust if you want to talk about it, not something you brag about or plaster all over your facebook wall. If someone says it to gauge your reaction soon after they meet you, they are crazy and you should run away from them.

Maybe they bring it up openly all the time to try and deal with it, which itself indicates they haven't dealt with it yet internally - either way, it's not a good sign with someone you are thinking about being intimate with who is new to you. Mentioning anything about rape is almost always a bad sign unless it's a person who knows you, has a reason to like and trust you, and who is coming to you for support or discussion.

[–]veggie_girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit "Mr. take things the wrong way on purpose." Your comment was a slathering emotional heap of needless disagreement.

[–]luxury_banana1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The toxicology reports confirm this, but this was mostly a last decade phenomenon when this myth was popular. I haven't really heard it much in years. Mostly what's happening is these women go out drinking and have sex with some guy and then regret it for a number of reasons (guy wasn't as good looking the next morning, woman is married/has a boyfriend and needs excuse, etc.) but the drugging claims haven't been common in false rape claims lately at all.

[–]JohnPeel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I remember reading a British survey that found no evidence that drink spiking was as widespread as people had been lead to believe. In fact the whole thing could be claimed to be entirely a hoax. It's just another moral panic like the satanic child abuse debacle of the 80s and 90s.

[–]Blue_Genes0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy


[–]JoshtheAspie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Borderline Personality Disorder.

When I first heard the term, I thought it meant a person who was only borderline crazy.

Nooooo. These are the most dangerous out of the 4 classical personality disorders (Psychopath, Narcisist, Histrionic, and Borderline).

Edit: Here's the first video of a 5 part serries explaining the 4, as well as relating them back to the 4"humours" personality types, as well as the Freudian model. Part 1 lays the groundwork for the other 4.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Weren't there actual studies that showed that the roofie thing is a myth? http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=52639

[–]floor-pi-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

A person with BPD probably wouldn't bother lying like this. BPD is a fairly severe disorder and shouldn't be slapped as a label on any arbitrary deviant behavior.

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