Red pill bitterness – A guest post from Tom Torero

Whisper · 2013-08-14T04:31:44+00:00

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

It looks like some manosphere writers are disappearing up their own asses. They became addicted to the rush, not just of getting laid, but of everyone thinking they were awesome because they got laid so much.

But when more people entered the manosphere, some broader issues entered the discussion... how divorce screws the average man, how our culture has lost respect for men, how taking at face value what women say about their desires is a terrible idea, etc.

They don't like this. They don't want to become part of a movement for social change, because in that movement, they would no longer be superstars.

And they don't want to make western society healthy, because they thrive, professionally and sexually, in a sick society. Their worst nightmare isn't a feminist society. It's a non-feminist society where the average man grows up with self-worth, confidence, and some game.

The reason that he is resorting to argumentum ad AMOG and the whole list of feminist shaming tactics is that he doesn't want the manosphere to expand beyond being anything but a "hot chick banging contest", so that he can win, because that's what he's presumably good at.

But "I want to bang hot chicks" is only one of many problems that men have. Will game help me if I am falsely accused of rape? Will game prevent the white knights in government from taxing away my money and giving it to single mothers? Will game give me reproductive rights like legal paternal surrender? Will game abolish selective service? Will game restore society's respect for men?

No, no, no, no, and no.

Respectively.

All Roosh has to offer me is game. He wants the manosphere to stay a small pond, so he can continue to be a big fish in it. He isn't playing for Team Men. He's playing for Team Roosh. So should you trust him? Only if you are a member of Team Roosh, because otherwise, he hasn't got your back.

He is a vulture raising his voice in favor of more desert, and teaching people to eat carrion. (An apt description of the level of selfish narcissism that our culture inspires in 8s, 9s, and 10s. Nevermind that anti-male societies like ours reduce the overall number of 8s, 9s, and 10s.)

Such men would burn the world if doing so meant they could be king of the ashes that remained.

Yeah, sure, MRAs sound whiny. But they're trying to fix the problem, instead of just having a big "end of civilization" party. If I had to pick who to keep between Roosh and GirlWritesWhat, it would be a no-brainer. Because I know who's got my back, and who wants to sell me a book.

IllimitableMan · 2013-08-13T23:52:34+00:00

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Deansdale · 2013-08-14T08:20:47+00:00

What I don't understand is why so many guys believe that the Red Pill = getting laid. The actual RP is so much more than that, 'game' stuff is maybe 20% of it. And call me a loser, a fag, or whatever you might want to but this "pussy above everything else" mentality is so childish it hurts. I believed that, too, when I was 18, but I opened my eyes a bit later and realised there's more to life than running after new holes 24/7. I read the guest post and all I could see there was if you don't fuck at least 3 new girls each week then you're a worthless piece of shit. Pardon me but I have other interests too besides fresh pussy.

I simply can't understand why so many guys can't find their places in the ever-widenening manosphere. Some want to chase tail, others want a quality LTR, others want to fight feminism. Why the fuck do these groups have to fight each other proclaiming that what they are doing is what should be done and all the others are idiots? Am I a miracle, or a reincarnation of Jesus or something just because I can reconcile being an MRA, an MGTOW and using game (I'm not a PUA because I focus on my LTR) in one person??? I thought it's easy to see the truth in all these "movements" and combine them to a healthy lifestyle but it seems I was mistaken. Most men like attacking others only to project how superior they are to them. Fuckin' ridiculous.

Nutz76 · 2013-08-14T02:28:31+00:00

It's good advice that experience is the best teacher and a lot of guys use keyboard jockeying as a crutch not to approach, which like he said boils down to approach anxiety. That said, there's a lot of value to be found online for the times when guys hit that really tough sticking point, not to mention for the men's rights issues and shaking guys free from the Feminine Imperative way of thinking so many are beholden to.

pro_skub · 2013-08-13T21:59:21+00:00

What does understanding the nature of woman, modern feminism, etc have to do with the particular aspect of the interaction where you have sex with them?

I agree its kind of important to have some sexual, romantic experience. I agree that part of the manosphere may be whiny men who simply can´t get laid. But is he actually saying that in order to talk about men rights, feminism etc, you have to get laid with lots of women.

Am I thick and missing the point? Is he missing the point?

By the way, this kind of talk looks interestingly similar to the veiled shaming language that women so flippantly use towards undesirable men.

2013-08-14T02:58:18+00:00

Game is pretty important to me, and I spend a fair amount of time trying to improve it and TRP helps with that. I find it helpful with improving motivation.

However, I am also very troubled about the lack of biological understanding our society has. I think this lack of understanding, or rejection, causes a lot of problems. For example, affirmative action simply wont work because biology plays the largest role in group differences. Outside of a few select fields, very few people understand that far from being Tabula Rasa, human nature is extremely deterministic and algorithmic. If it weren't, the techniques advocated by the PUAs wouldn't work so consistently. Swallowing the red pill for me has a lot to do with accepting the deterministic nature of the human condition. Maybe more than game.

Title	Red pill bitterness – A guest post from Tom Torero
Author	redpillschool
Upvotes	8
Comments	17
Date	August 13, 2013 9:44 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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