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You Don’t Have To Be Right

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August 25, 2013
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Title You Don’t Have To Be Right
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 49
Comments 14
Date 25 August 2013 04:12 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/174964
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1l27jt/you_dont_have_to_be_right/
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[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy

Of course, the feminists who argue that men going their own way is wrong don't mean "wrong" in the sense of factual falsifiability.

They mean wrong in the ethical sense of the word.

It's unethical for men to go their own way without considering what might happen if we withdraw our tax money from the cuckholded state-husband.

It's unethical for men to throw off their gender responsibility of being providers (nevermind that women have thrown off their gender responsibilities of maintaining family integrity and unity).

It's unethical for men to try and game women for sex rather than make wives out of them.

The argument is absurd, but it is internally consistent when you consider other ways in which they selfishly rationalize why they should be provided for without expectation of incentive or remuneration.

[–]amatorfati12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's perfectly consistent when you realize by "ethical" they just mean whatever suits them.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nevermind that women have thrown off their responsibilities...

Two can play at that game.

Chorus: That's not fair !

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[–]Max___Power3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also give them the "What the fuck are you gonna do about it?" look.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

One of my favorite recent articles talks about the difference between modern discourse (used by red pillers) and post-modern discourse.

Modern discourse characteristics

  • "personal detachment from the issues under discussion," the separation of participants' personal identities from subjects of inquiry and topics of debate;
  • values on "confidence, originality, agonism, independence of thought, creativity, assertiveness, the mastery of one’s feelings, a thick skin and high tolerance for your own and others’ discomfort";
  • suited to a heterotopic space like a university class, scholarly journal, or session of a learned society conference, a place apart much like a playing field for sports events, where competitors engage in ritual combat before returning with a handshake to the realm of friendly, personal interaction;
  • the best ideas are thought to emerge from mutual, merciless probing and attacking of arguments, with resultant exposure of blindspots in vision, cracks in theories, inconsistencies in logic;
  • the truth is understood not to be located in any single voice, but to emerge from the conversation as a whole.

Post-modern discourse characteristics

  • "persons and positions are ordinarily closely related," with little insistence on keeping personal identity separate from the questions or issues under discussion;
  • "sensitivity, inclusivity, and inoffensiveness are key values";
  • priority on "cooperation, collaboration, quietness, sedentariness, empathy, equality, non-competitiveness, conformity, a communal focus";
  • lacking "means by which to negotiate or accommodate such intractable differences within its mode of conversation," it will "typically resort to the most fiercely antagonistic, demonizing, and personal attacks upon the opposition";
  • "will typically try, not to answer opponents with better arguments, but to silence them completely as ‘hateful’, ‘intolerant’, ‘bigoted’, ‘misogynistic’, ‘homophobic’, etc.";
  • results in "stale monologues" and contexts that "seldom produce strong thought, but rather tend to become echo chambers."

I also wrote along similar lines in my post on Materialism vs. Idealism in politics. The TL;DR is that Idealism is for attempting to convince your opponent of what you think is true. Materialism is for winning at any cost. Often post-modern debate tactics can be an effective piece of a materialist strategy.

[–]veggie_girl2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

When I studied debate in college, for class work I had to compete in several debates. We were given the topic a week in advance but we did not know which side o the argument we were going to take until the day of the debate when we would flip a coin to decide.

Tackling topics with this approach made me open my mind to the idea that to properly learn everything there is to know, you must detach your personal bias from the study. And you really need to know both sides in order to properly convince others that one is better than the other.

It's much like you mentioned and I agree with you 100%.

I do not understand why people take post-modern debate seriously.

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[–]veggie_girl2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks coin flip bot, you're a true hero.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So she's not getting the sex change, after all :(

[–]jakethesnake766 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hyperbolic charge wins..... in Congress a few years ago a congressman actually said that the charge against another member was so egregious (serious) that it just had to be investigated. When asked if there was any evidence to support this serious claim he said no but because it was a serious charge that is all that mattered. In the New Normal just make outrageous claim and evidence doesn't need be supplied. Wow..

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[–]jakethesnake76-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

unfounded rape allegation can destroy someone's life.

Some times this and spousal rape even being possible ,just blows ones mind..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

High five!



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