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Fear to greed. "women delaying marriage are playing a collective game of chicken in order to avoid wasting any more of their youth and fertility on their husbands than absolutely necessary."

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December 31, 2013
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http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/fear-to-greed/


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Title Fear to greed. "women delaying marriage are playing a collective game of chicken in order to avoid wasting any more of their youth and fertility on their husbands than absolutely necessary."
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 166
Comments 67
Date 31 December 2013 02:28 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/174993
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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 47 points48 points  (4 children) | Copy

Jesus christ that first sentence says more about the sexual climate than entire books have achieved.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

And as a consequence, US birth rate drops to a new record low

FTA:

Falling birth rates can be considered a challenge to future economic growth and the labor pool.

It takes 2.1 children per woman for a given generation to replace itself, and U.S. births have been below replacement level since 2007.

Like I told some of the childless feminists that don't want kids before, I hope they don't intend on drawing on medicare at age 65+. And people said the baby boomer generation was the most selfish generation. I'd say the current feminists of breeding age give them a run for their money.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Of course the replacement generation to the Baby Boomers didn't come up with the crack-pipe idea of social security in the first place. I'm not sure how it could be considered greedy when most of us realize we're not going to see a dime anyway.

[–]Abiogeneralization1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We had this idea when we started with Social Security that made the whole thing work. The idea was that as technology advanced we would be able to decouple economic growth from resource consumption. If this idea were true, we could support an economy that depends on a continuously growing population.

The idea didn't work. You can't decouple economic growth from resource consumption. Sure, technology can slow down the inevitable, but it's physically impossible to support the infinitely growing population our current economic model requires. What we need to do is completely rethink out model so that it doesn't depend on infinite population growth. Sure, we could get the birth-rate back up, but that means we'll be heading towards an even worse disaster in the future.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro42 points43 points  (32 children) | Copy

Marriage is a horrible idea for men today and is a horrible idea for the men of tomorrow. Dalrock, the tradcon, has a problem with diminishing female "wealthcare" otherwise misnamed "marriage" in the insane west.

[–]SmilesLookGreatOnYou14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Marriage just doesn't make sense in today's lifestyle.

If i cheat, i'm a scumbag. If she cheats, i wasn't tending to her needs.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 20 points21 points  (28 children) | Copy

Agreed that marriage is a bad idea. But it hasn't always been, and the purpose it served hasn't disappeared as a need for many men. Realistically, we will need to address this with something more than just a strike.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro13 points14 points  (23 children) | Copy

more than just a strike

Spinning plates, surrogacy and bullet-proof legal contracts in offshore countries.. just to name a few.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 23 points24 points  (22 children) | Copy

Spinning plates and surrogacy don't really solve the family issue. I would want my kids to have a mother.

Offshore countries is a stopgap.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Spinning plates and surrogacy don't really solve the family issue

Until the MRM/ legal situation is radically changed, it is what it is.

Dalrock thinks tradconism is enough of a protection. He is deluded.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Until the MRM/ legal situation is radically changed, it is what it is.

Dalrock thinks tradconism is enough of a protection. He is deluded.

I agree. I'm not arguing to have any solutions. But there is a problem that will need to be solved before a change will take place. The strike you and I are on isn't big enough to do it alone.

[–]MightySurly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

We may be few, but we can sleep at night knowing we are helping path the way.

[–]Redpillc0re1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Indeed, we need to perfect this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_uterus

[–]otiswild3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Tleilaxu had the right idea.

[–]Tecumseh901 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or not.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Back when both parties suffered when a marriage failed, it was perfect.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Marriage is a horrible idea for men today and is a horrible idea for the men of tomorrow.

But for the men of yesterday and the 10,000 years before that, marriage was far better and was a bedrock of civilization as we know it. You can't blame Dalrock for advocating taking the institution back to its Marriage 1.0 roots.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To paraphrase an Englishman: "More men have been wrecked by 'ladies' and marriage than booze and harlots." Marriage was never the bedrock of civilization; Law & Breeding are better candidates.

[–]Tiny_Kitt3n33 points34 points  (9 children) | Copy

I think it's more that women are delaying marriage because they're waiting for The One, and they buy into the "don't settle for less than perfection" thing. By the time fertility starts running out, keeping on waiting doesn't seem as appealing. I think the focus is more on waiting for mister right than avoiding waste of youth/fertility.

[–]theDarkAngle9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

I kind of agree, but somewhere deep down these women have to know that that perfect guy doesn't exist, right? They can't be that deluded.

I think part of it is the whole notion that women are encouraged to "test drive" a bunch of dudes before they pick one. I get it, but I think it's based on flawed understanding.

We as a species tend to overstate the differences among us. There isn't that huge a difference between one mate or the next, other than superficial things.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women who decide to forgo marriage and kids (Spinsters) have been telling women still of marriageable age that the perfect man will come along.

[–]YoHomeToBellair3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

They can't be that deluded.

It’s a bold strategy. Let’s see if it pays off for him.

[–]budguy684 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

The other thing is that the older women get the pickier and bitcher they become. I actually prefer younger ones

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[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah, but you would be thinking women use reason.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 30 now and will not date a 28 year old or older. My demographics this year were in the excellent 18-24 range.

[–]positiveeagle12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

If younger women rush to fill the gap, then those 30 and 40 something year olds will be stuck reading 50 shades of grey spin offs, and working off lifetime gym memberships.

[–]themoor 21 points21 points [recovered] | Copy

A man would have to be a either foolish or ignorant to get married today.

If he's not ignorant on the laws and odds lined up against him, he's a fool.

If he's foolish enough not to know this stuff, he's ignorant.

[–]Cypher21113 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

[–]rztzz0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Not that easy. There's a strong drive in a lot of men to have kids. It's risky but for some worth the risk.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wish there was a strong drive in a lot of men to tell other men that you don't need to bet half of your universe to have a few children.

[–]rztzz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i mean at the end of the day, having kids is what it's all about. everything.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol I love being married. With the right woman and the same goals for marriage nothing is better!

[–]YoHomeToBellair1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a bold strategy. Let’s see if it pays off for him.

[–]watersign8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

what all these studies fail to mention is that THE US ECONOMY IS IN THE SHITTER AND WILL BE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME!! THAT IS WHY PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING MARRIED!!

[–]fiat_lux_5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Can't be the only reason. Technically, getting married (or at least cohabitating) is economical.

Being Single is a Luxury ~Caplan

If you're point to economics as the only reason, your "economics" better include some pretty broad socio-economics to explain the situation. Probably more.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Technically, getting married (or at least cohabitating) is economical.

True, but you have to think of this in terms of hypergamy rather than economics. An average man would think, hey, we're both better off if we cohabitate/marry. We split the rent, split the bills, and save tons of money.

An average woman doesn't even hear the economics...all she can see is the man's paychecks or lack thereof, which leave her drier than the Mojave desert.

[–]watersign-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

i didnt say it was the only reason, but its a big reason why people are putting off doing "grown up" things

[–]fiat_lux_-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you on that. That's a popular reason.

My point was that from a purely economical/technical mindset, one would think that the worse the recession got, the more attractive it'd be to marry/cohabitate (tax, shared costs, etc), especially for the lower and middle classes that suffer more from it. Other factors may be working overtime to counter that.

Besides, marriage rates had been declining forever, even during economic booms.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or is the economy so bad because of the disaster that is Marriage 2.0 and accompanying government policies?

[–]Graizur1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Video Games and the movie "her" show that men will be perfectly happy creating their own companionship one way or the other.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have to disagree. This plays out like the typical prisoner's dilemma as set up. We all know who wins in PD. If people are voluntarily delaying marriage then those people aren't rational (cue the jokes) or the game as set up is wrong and people feel they gain more by delaying than by cooperating.

[–]kolbsterjr-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same can be said for men as well.



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