Purgatory - Rollo: “If you want an example of the feminine imperative’s fluidly reinventing social conventions[...] In 2014 it’s 'Any guy who thinks he’s in the so called friend zone is just a potential rapist because he thinks he’s owed sex for his friendship.'”

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Title Purgatory - Rollo: “If you want an example of the feminine imperative’s fluidly reinventing social conventions[...] In 2014 it’s 'Any guy who thinks he’s in the so called friend zone is just a potential rapist because he thinks he’s owed sex for his friendship.'”
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Date 21 May 2014 05:03 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]1bradyo22 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

The 'friendzone' meme

Is that that superhero one? God that makes me sick.

[–]selfsufficientnigga1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

No, I didn't mean 'meme' in the internet sense of 'funny picture', but just as a propagating idea in general. Before a year or two back it wasn't that generally accepted and such a common thrope online.

[–]1bradyo20 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Oh right, yes, I agree.

That superhero thing still makes me sick though.

[–]selfsufficientnigga0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Could you link to that please? I'm not sure what it is.

[–]1bradyo22 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm at work so can't, but google something like "really nice guy superhero friendzone comic" or some variation on that and you'll get it. Fuck just thinking about it gets me angry.

[–]selfsufficientnigga1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I found it. I remember it from back then.

It is the typical thing I addressed in my original post here: as soon as you accuse them of being the aggressor/the bad one, they will use their sophism to twist it into you actually being the aggressor.

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[–]niceguy_gone_cad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's Friendzone Fiona.

[–]10J18R1A18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy

Fucking Christ.

And the woman that thinks she should just have the man's friendship and that the man should fulfill her neediness quota is what?

I'm sorry, if I want to be with you and you don't want to be with me, I'm not sticking around just because you don't to give me up.

It's the male equivalent of the booty call. Emotionally, in this case.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

Emotional tampon, validation tool, dick in a glass case, comfort on tap.

[–]Pornography_saves_li16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Time Ho.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]icanteventhecat8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

I explained this a few weeks ago to a woman who took the initiative to tell me she wanted to break things off. Actually, I didn't explain it, I just said "that's too bad, I'm not looking for friends."

[–]ModMachiavellianRed11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Haha wow, the sheer spin on that. A guy who is rejected that likes a girl can't be the victim and she can't be seen as the bitch, ohhhh no-no-no, we can't have that. The guy she wasn't interested in, who is clearly hurt by the rejection isn't allowed to move on! He must accept "friendship" and bend over backwards to give her what she wants. After all, he's not entitled to sex, but she is entitled to to his time/money/attention/"platonic" love and hey, you know, if he can't accept her rejection and embrace the social convention as she dictates? RAPE! Lmao. You can't make this shit up can you?

Entitlement + machiavellian spin + hamstering = wow what a clusterfuck. Good to see the hamsters are getting their protein shakes.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW160 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That sense of female entitlement only works if someone plays into it. I've always been confused by guys that are friends with women. Why? They aren't your friends. Men and women aren't friends. A man who has female friends isn't a man, he's a mangina. If some entitled female wants to use a mangina as an emotional tampon or a time-ho, I couldn't care less. Let 'em do the work and receive friendship back.

I don't see the woman as the problem. Women are just being themselves. They want attention. They want validation. They need someone to pluck their emotions and give them drama. They'll accept it from anyone who offers it. The problem is with these manginas that don't know how to genuinely play the mating game, and then bitch about their outcomes. I say fuck 'em.

[–]10J18R1A1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men and women can be friends, there just a shitton of caveats...

1) He doesn't find her attractive in the least.

2) He's known her so long they could almost be related.

3) She's dating one of his friends.

The comedy comes from women thinking their male friends wouldn't fuck them. Oh, they would, but they don't CARE whether they could or not...this is the difference between friends and friend zoned.

I'm friends with plenty of women, probably about 50/50, some extraordinarily attractive, some I've had sex with, some I would have it happened, some would never happen...But friendship wasn't a consolation prize, and I don't accept it as such.

[–]10J18R1A11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

With me, it's not even friends with benefits, it's sex with benefits. My friendship or attraction or relationship or time is the benefit...I can hate you and fuck you, that's not an issue.

If I'm offering you me, and you reject me, whether my dick or my heart, you don't get me. I don't care if you like hanging out with me or talking to me. I don't stick around in inequity of desire situations.

[–]1bradyo22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's not even friends with benefits, it's sex with benefits

Excellent way to put it.

[–]AnotherLostCause8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men who are friendzoned need to walk away. More than 20 years ago a friend of mine got dumped. His now ex told him "We can still be friends." he told her "I have enough friends" He never spoke to her again. I wish I had done the same in my past.

[–]icanteventhecat5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Talk about victim blaming! There's zero sympathy for men from women who aren't perfect in every way.

[–]1FloranHunter4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The source of the friendzoners-are-rapists meme, as far as I can tell, was Jezebel putting a hit piece out on beta orbiters so women feel justified in abusing them.

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[–]cherrypoptart271 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just like Patrice said, women "reduce themselves to a series of holes". Now can you blame anyone for treating them that way?

[–]10J18R1A0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because women consider sex a reward. Ask a honest woman what she considers the difference between a relationship and a friendship to be.

Which is why I say that a woman that has sex because she wants to is a great woman. ("Slutshaming" is terrible.) Otherwise, using it as a trade off for a relationship or three dates or marriage is no different than a pure exchange of money.

Women insist that the friend zone is about sex. Wrong. What eldudeness said is the correct answer.

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[–]cherrypoptart273 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Funny how they spin it this way. By the same logic a women who think they're entitled to resources in exchange for sex or the mere opportunity to have sex are nothing more than prostitutes. But of course we're not gonna talk about that...

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[–]cherrypoptart271 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Friend zoning today is a combination of prude, easy

Schroedinger's hoe

[–]2johnnight4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. It is a clinical diagnosis term introduced by men to describe a situation in which they are wasting their time & money, considering the goal they are trying to achieve, but are going nowhere. The "friend" word is a cover for what is really happening. The man is operating on the understanding of "implied pussy". The woman is operating on the understanding that "friends provide".

Sure, you can still be her "friend", but reduce the provision of your resources to what you would be doing for a male friend and direct your efforts elsewhere. Also, male friends actually reciprocate with the same, while female friends are accustomed to be the non-reciprocating receiver. I sure do not buy my male friends flower, chocolate, I do not pay for their food and do not want to get touchy/feely with them.


The problem with all this is that the LJBFed guy is caught in the process without ever having understood that he’s playing a predictable part in a feminine social convention. So he sees the LJBF as an event rather than what it really is, a feminine-approved socially permissible mechanism for rejection.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire25 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you are ambivalent about whether you ever fuck a particular girl, the so-called friendzone will never bother you. It will bother most women though, as they wonder, "Doesn't he want to fuck me? He's not even trying to fuck me? What's wrong with me? I'm so fuckable! Maybe I'll try flirting with him. Crap, I better try harder!" Soon, they're pursuing you and giving you social proof.

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I have noticed this with roommates. My rent is cheap so a flick switched ruling out any of the girls here. Really confuses them when you make no effort to be with them.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

flick switched

Switch flicked, humourous typo.

Really confuses them when you make no effort to be with them.

If she gets her panties in a twist and her ego gets hurt that insecurity can turn into a pointed attack "I think recklessracoon is gay!" be aware but don't sweat it. "Yeah I'm gay, it's not that you're ugly or anything."

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I actually have experienced that from one of the girls.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's one of the catch-all phrases women use to fuck with a guys reputation when their egos get hurt, hardly surprises me our little snowflake here couldn't possibly live with the idea that she simply isn't worth fucking so thus had to rationalise you had no interest in fucking any women whatsoever. That way it's not her fault she isn't getting the sexual attention she feels entitled to from you out due to the insecurity and vanity that inhabits her narcissism. They need to feel attractive and if they feel unattractive because a man of high enough SMV refuses to give them attention they can't possibly acknowledge that it's their fault, that perhaps they're just ugly or plain undesirable, oh no, it must be something that's up with the man. You must be gay, or incapable of handling a real woman, or some other blame-shifting bullshit like that. Women are like that. It's hilarious, and sometimes, annoying.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Happened with my current gf when we were just starting to mess around. She LJBFed me for some reason and I was OK. Of course she still wanted to hang out for all the social perks I offer. Told her OK and cut her off completely. She started texting me about three days later and demanded we watch a movie at my place and was very flirty (even though I wasn't exactly flirting back and was spacing out my texts) . Yeah we all know what happened.

A drunk conversation later on down the road yields the fact that I didn't whine or jump into the friend zone made her want me more.

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Friendzone is a term which has been massively diluted.

It shouldnt simply represent a situation where a male is interested in a relationship but the female is not, and rejects his advances, offering friendship.

It should represent the greater evil, which is where the advances are NOT fully rejected, where the carrot is kept extended in order to extract additional resources from the male.

Bottom line, if she isnt interested in you for sex, thats her choice. If she choses to offer her friendship to you, it is also her choice, same as it is your choice whether to partake in that offer. Its no different to us offering our plates sex, but making the choice as to whether to withhold commitment. They can take our offer, or they can leave it.

Whats less fair, is where she uses her obvious power over the male to be an emotional/physical/resource parasite. That is what ive always taken the friendzone to represent

[–]Complecs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The friend zone is a Beta man’s punishment for expecting to be entitled to the rewards reserved for an Alpha.

I'm currently reading through this article, but this sentence spoke volumes to me. Feeling entitled to rewards reserved for the deserving is such a detestable trait, and it is this trait I see reflected in so many women these days. It used to make me mad, but now it's just disappointing. At least when these beta males attempt this, it seems to be on a more subconscious level.

[–]1raceAround126[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No man should allow himself to be in the friendzone.

If you can describe any relationship you have with any girl as friend zoned, delete their number and move on.

[–]1raceAround126[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What is this friendzone meme anyway?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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