We presently live in a social order that presumes any masculinity is “toxic” or “hyper” masculinity. | Divorce Incorporated | The Rational Male

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Title We presently live in a social order that presumes any masculinity is “toxic” or “hyper” masculinity. | Divorce Incorporated | The Rational Male
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 630
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Date 02 August 2017 02:51 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana47 points48 points  (8 children) | Copy

Informative articles like this underscore what I think is the greatest strength of TRP: showing men exactly what is at stake when forming relationships with the opposite sex.

A misstep or bad strategy can result in any of the following:

...and this is just a partial list.

Rollo hints at this when he writes:

In my next essay I’ll be addressing the misguided opinion of some ‘stand up’ Purple Pill moralists that the Red Pill is “just for guys who are obsessed with sex and make getting laid their life’s mission”.

[–]1Original_Dankster9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comment deserves to be a post on its own: something akin to "What's the worst that can happen by ignoring the Red Pill?"

[–]TheLeftIsNotLiberal4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

In my next essay I’ll be addressing the misguided opinion of some ‘stand up’ Purple Pill moralists that the Red Pill is “just for guys who are obsessed with sex and make getting laid their life’s mission”.

But that is life's mission. Along with passing down a strong foundation to our posterity for them to build upon.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

These are all excellent points. In my comment I highlighted the fact that women historically faced danger from childbirth.....that danger is more or less in the past, while men face way more danger than we ever have in the sexual market place.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Check the numbers, infant and mother mortality is so low, as to be meaningless. Heroin overdoses are a greater threat.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly my point.

That was not the case for most of human history, though.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. Reminds me of when I was a young teen, and girls would just say 'women problems'. the male teachers would get flustered, then give them a free pass. Of course they just skipped class, but its easier than calling them out on it.

For the 3/100 000, it's tragic. For the rest? It's leverage

[–]Luckylancer960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is side bar material. Non biological father's child support payment twisted my guts :,(. feelsbadman

[–]Ass-a-holic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like hookers and masturbating are the way to go

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points  (28 children) | Copy

Great eye opening article if your eyes still had scales. The system is rigged. You have to know the system going into the game. Marriage (explicitly a mother-father home) is still the best option for raising children.

I survived divorce better than most. 50/50 custody, no support and I got a payout. Key point here is no lawyers were involved. I drew up the papers and was mostly transparent with her. Some negotiating on the asset transfer yet it was reasonable enough. She wanted a no-fuss branch swing. I was happy to oblige provided I got a reasonable deal. I'm likely an exception.

My main parenting goal is to teach my daughter not to squander her youthly beauty and to teach my son the full ramifications of marriage and the lopsided deal it is if he decides to have offspring.

[–]Mattcwu 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy

You convinced your ex to give you a payout?

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (3 children) | Copy

We both drew up an asset division proposal and negotiated. She wanted to keep the house. I got my share of the asset split from a QDRO from her retirement account, so I guess in her eyes it wasn't that she wrote me a check. Who knows wasn't arguing about that. Honestly that part of it went over mostly smoothly with some relatively minor squabbles. I conceded some small things to win the big picture. You gotta let people feel like they win in a negotiation.

I pulled some shit on her (48 laws applies) because I play to win. Everyone has thumbscrews and you learn how to push buttons when you're with someone that long. Ultimately, my children were at stake. My main goal was 50/50 custody, everything else was secondary. I would not have been able to make these plays if we were insulated by lawyers. There's more to this story but it's not relevant. I don't want to accidentally doxx myself with details.

Interestingly enough, we get along mostly well now. I let go of the bitterness fairly quickly (and accepted my responsibility for the failure) plus I am clearly a better man now. We're both better apart than together. The kids took the short end of the stick yet I don't want them in a house where daddy and mommy were fighting and unhappy. MRP may have resolved the issues if I found it in time but I can't complain about where I am now. Life goes on.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Many men would be fine divorcing if they had certainty they would remain in their kids lives in a material way.

Fuck the money. A man can always make more

Good for you dude. Stick around and help our younger brothers avoid divorce. And help those who are stuck facing divorce get out the best they can


[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Point awarded.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reminds me of a post two days ago be red_curious. Where he talks about quality over quantity for time. Got a client to only get a few hours a day, but would get 3-9PM every day. On paper, it looked like she got 2/3 custody, but it was all when he was at school or sleeping. Dad got the time that counted.

It's good to see more divorce data points. It's one area the manosphere is woefully lacking

[–]NeoreactionSafe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


Sorry... just trying to make this visible to everyone, so tagging it up here.


Full Movie : Divorce Corp (Documentary) 8.1/10 IMDb




[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (18 children) | Copy

teach my daughter not to squander her youthly beauty

In what way exactly do you want her to take advantage of her youthly beauty? I agree that men/women alike should not squander their youth ("youth is wasted on the young"), but I'm curious of what you had in mind exactly.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (12 children) | Copy

She has at best until 25-27 to get a good man provided she wants to settle down and raise a family. That she has to bring something to the table if she wants a decent thing with a man. Teach her that she can 100% go down the hookup life if she wants but she doesn't get the time back. If that's what she picks, so be it. The wall is a real thing. I don't want to see her splat.

She will be a woman. I can show her what a man looks like now that I'm not the bloop I was. She can use that to help her identify potential partners.

She may or may not listen. I provide a decision making framework but she runs her life.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy

Thanks. That's interesting.

Do you want her to be classy/virginal/beautiful in order to lock down a high-value husband?

Do you want her to be very feminine/supplicative/submissive too?

Lastly, what advice would you give to males/sons?

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (10 children) | Copy

I want her to be feminine and have enough backbone that life doesn't roll her over. Show her that you have to bring value to get value and that life doesn't hand you anything without a price eventually. Provided she gets the feminine part right and I get the masculine example right, then she can use my example of what to look for in a man. Her femininity will draw in masculinity. My worst dates are when I realize the woman has too many masculine traits. Maybe she's a manager or in situations where she has to "be the man". I want a woman not a man with tits.

Males: lift, be the best you can be, lead when possible and follow correctly when appropriate, read the sidebar materials when age appropriate and have enough backbone that life doesn't roll you over.

I'll get my son in the gym when he's in puberty. He's young now and loves exercising like daddy when I showed him how to do squats. He was so proud of himself he showed his mom when he went back to her place. Got a good start there. I can show him the value of lifting and being healthy early in life and build a healthy habit.

I have to lead by example. That's my parenting plan in a nutshell.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

read the sidebar materials when age appropriate

Which are your favorite sidebar materials?

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (8 children) | Copy

You are highly inquisitive. I'll answer this in the context of my tentative plan for what you quoted. This shows what I found most useful from the sidebar. It's all worth reading and then re-reading as you start putting this stuff into your life. It doesn't always make sense the first pass.

The rational male is the foundation that everything builds upon. I plan to give him this book with the sex talk. I lost my virginity at a young age and just winged it. I'm. It particularly concerned about the age he loses his. Sex happens when two people who are attracted to each other have the opportunity and the man pushes things forward.

Continually teach the importance of frame, handling shit tests, DGAF, outcome independence, not being needy, investing in self.

Next step is game. I believe that being a high value man is the best game. That means essentially doing cool shit, being passionate about it and not being a shitstain person. Probably models by mark manson is the best overall game book for my style. Some pua basics like kino, teasing, push/pull, leading. Also the foundations of game which are presentation: grooming, wardrobe, posture, body language, being fit.

Then in his mid-late teens I hit him with the red pill antibiotic nuke from illimitableman. Then I can really start showing him with the truth of the world.

If I can counter the societal programming, then he won't go through the full 5 stages as everyone else. It will be that I've shown him how the world really works and prepped him for success. The rest is in his hands.

[–]Ganaria_Gente13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude we need more father's like you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Thanks so much; excellent response.

Some pua basics like kino, teasing, push/pull, leading.

What exactly is "leading" and where is the best description of it online? I know about the rest of the things you mentioned.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Leading is what it says. Being in charge, making decisions and taking the lead. Women want to be lead.

For example, if I need a drink then I'll stand up, hold out my hand and say come with me, I need a drink. Gets kino in, shows I take charge of her and primes her to follow my instructions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

hold out my hand

For her to hold? What is the kino-technique with your hand that you're describing exactly? Seems a little over-intimate/weird.

[–]Mr_Grateful 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Set the bar high as her Father. She will compare. No need to sit with the shotgun.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Set the bar high as her Father. She will compare. No need to sit with the shotgun.

I think I understood what you mean, but can you elaborate on each of these three sentences for quick clarification?

[–]Blackhawk24793 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

  1. Be the best man you can be so she witnesses a quality male first-hand.
  2. She will naturally vet the other men in her life against the standard you set as her father.
  3. Her ability to weed out shitty guys herself means you’re not having to fend them off yourself.

[–]fartliberator2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good for you man. I was also, for the most part, able to circumvent the intensely shitty legal system for most of my divorce. Most men and women are subjected to the legal traps of marriage.

Ultimately the institution of marriage simply makes it harder to break up and, more importantly, forces you to involve uninformed people who have no skin in the game. Their only intention is to attach their siv to yet another vein.

[–]truecrisis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thing is, many women demonize their husbands at the end. In my case, she wanted me to pay 30k in damages. This is only legally owed in the event of infidelity or domestic abuse. Yet she felt entitled to it.

I had to get her to settle to sign, it was long, expensive, and annoying. If I continued to see other women while still married (waiting for her to give up) I would have put myself at risk. Also, in my legal system, depending on her income (which was $0) I legally owed her 1/5th of my salary while separated but married.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (38 children) | Copy

I have a gal pal, bright, bright girl....dated her a few years, hung out with her recently....she's gotten into feminist literature. I asked her to name one example of "non-toxic masculinity" and she came up blank. It's so sad.

But wait, there's more.....she said straight up that we are no longer sexually compatible, as she likes it rougher than I go. We did have sex, and I did hold her down, and she did cum hard....at the end of the day, I don't think she'll find her unicorn of a feminist leaning man who borderline rapes her when they have sex.

I'm guessing that might be a productive persona to adopt for some. I don't want children, so I won't.

It's well known that there's a long running arms race between women's pelvis's and babies head sizes. Human infants are born 3 months premature relative to other primates, exactly because of this. We've (humans not men) been ripping our mothers apart for hundreds of thousands of years. Of course they have to be more careful. Meanwhile men fuck pigs and goats and the occasional swimming pool inlet valve.

The notion of equality is laughable.

[–]H42 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

Her not being able to give an example of "non-toxic masculinity" and she loves hyper-masculine rough sex.

NOMAD's conversation with Spock was right:

NOMAD: That unit is defective. Its thinking is chaotic. Absorbing it unsettled me.

SPOCK: That unit is a woman.

NOMAD: A mass of conflicting impulses.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's the kicker, bro:

She has a degree in theoretical mathematics with a minor in computer science. She can easily out logic most men, saw it over and over. Sadly, it supercharges her hamster.

[–]ramaga8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had forgotten all about that scene in the original Star Trek. Can you imagine dialogue like that in a modern broadcast network show? The network would get boycotted by the usual too easily triggered dimwits before the episode finished airing.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (10 children) | Copy

Dude fucked the femenism out of Laci Green... If yours is going down the rabbit hole, may be worth looking in the mirror

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy


She's not mine, it was just my turn....and I get occasional turns while she's between boyfriends.

I looked in the mirror hard, bro. I've been in Monk Mode for a year, reading TRP and just getting my head straight in general. She was pretty shocked at my appearance. I was skinnyfat when she left....I'm still skinny but with well defined musculature...it takes time to build in your 40's, but "lift like your life depends on it" is a mantra for a reason.

I appreciate your comment, though. I do love her and would like to see her happy, and the idea that she's selecting men who have a chance of fucking the feminism out of her is pleasing. I'll give it a try every time she visits.

Pretty close to being out of Monk Mode....I'm traveling soon, and then she's going to visit for a backpacking trip to view the eclipse. After that, I'm starting up a math class, so I'll be headed to campus fairly often....since I work remotely, I'll just work from campus....and I live essentially on another campus. Once I have 2 plates under 25 in the air I'll start making headline posts....I think the community will enjoy them.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

Always. honestly though, not sure she sounds like more than a plate, the way you describe her. A good plate, but a plate.

my .02

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy


Actually, she would make a fine wife and mother. I hope she doesn't go too far, but it's out of my hands.

At any rate, no woman is more than a plate to me. Think of it this way: I'm in my mid 40's, live in an apartment, have debt, and shoot blanks. I love drinking in bars and hiking/backpacking/climbing. I'm useless to quality women my age. However, I can plate the young ones.....I hope, anyway. Again, 2 plates in the air is my threshold for making headline posts....not that I want plates for that, I really like fucking younger women (of course we all do, but I can as evidenced by my last LTR)

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are selling yourself short and overestimating wimmin your age. There are NO quality women your age, they are unattractive, botox ridden hags who have more baggage than an airport carousel. Don't go there. There are plenty of nice enough girls in their late 20s who are happy to have a decent LTR with older guys. I just don't do women over 30, period.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As you wrote those words, I was sitting by the pool, reading Nietzsche and drinking wine. There was a youngish HB6 there with her fat ugly boyfriend. I got many looks from her, including "damn you're hot," "I'm embarrassed by my boyfriend's massive gut" and "I'm leaving, and didn't even get to talk to you."

To be fair, I put myself in harder situations than that. There's a local bar where the college athletes go. I was there this past weekend.....no woman there was over 25 or under an 8. I was standing next to some dude, full head taller than me, a real stunner...I looked him up & down & said "damn, someone won the lotto" or some such thing. We had a great laugh, and the rest of the night was a blast. Pulling from such a place would clearly be harder than flirting, but the flirting was pretty heavy. I'm in better shape than most guys my age and many his age, which has been night & day....I've been going to these bars for years and never had this much attention.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a bad place to be.

Yours is honestly my Plan B, if my current situation doesn't work out.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm late 30s. 42+ women can be fun so do not discount them. Don't limit yourself by saying you're useless. Older women still simply want to hang out and have fun. Take them on adventures and enjoy their company. The girl in them doesn't go away any more than the boy in us goes away. Bonus is that the conversation tends to be more enjoyable to me.

I enjoy the spectrum of women. They all have different qualities I appreciate.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps when I'm entirely done Killing the BetaTM but for now, my lifestyle is such that I can pull much younger women.

This is why I've done Monk Mode. My relationship history is going all in with every girl. I don't have a good answer for "Why not?" I don't have a strong enough Frame. Older women would grind me to dust at this point in my development.

Better by far to fuck smokeshows half my age and avoid the question entirely.

I hear you, though.

They'll still be there when I'm in my 50's.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I kind of feel bad for the dude that did tho

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude fucked the femenism out of Laci Green

Who fucked Laci Green?

[–]scarletspider313 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you are Alpha'ing up and she still wants to jump into feminist bullshit, then u are going to have to walk away or at the very least reduce her to booty call status. Don't bother trying to house train a rabid feminist.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

I thought my comment was clear that we're no longer a couple.....but if we were, you would be right.

Still.....she's a smokeshow a full 20 years younger than I am. I'll take my turns when I get them, but will refrain from offering advice unless asked.

It was interesting being in bed with my previous unicorn oneitis and her texting other guys....I really don't give a shit anymore. Jealousy and oneitis have been blasted and purged from my system. If I settle down with a single woman anytime before the age 60, fucking kill me.

[–]1empatheticapathetic6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like you're at the level of 'apathy' with women we all need to be at. To stop expecting things of them that they simply don't have any reason to provide I.e. Unicorn qualities.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Essentially......but I do have to quibble with "apathy"

So, she had visited me a couple weeks ago, and I fucked her like a warlord. Afterword, she told me I needed to have sex with women my age, that it's unfair for me to fuck younger women.....again, she came hard. She wasn't kissing my ass, complimenting me. She was pissed.

I fucked a woman my age last week.....stupid, bad drunk move. It was terrible. I couldn't bring myself to do the progression...I fucked her half heartedly. Never again.

What I'm getting at is I'm anything but apathetic towards my former unicorn. She's hot as hell and I'm going to try to fuck her again. But I also am starting to actively hit on girls now. No cat colonists for me. I've been lifting, running & climbing hard, plus talking to lots of people. I had a great conversation last night with a SJW lesbian. I got a # close a week ago (kino ftw).

Hell, I even had a great time at the chad sports bar, where all the student athletes go. I'm not a bro dude....I'm in m 40's.....almost like the cool uncle who does fun shit.

It's only a matter of time and continued effort. And lifting.

[–]scarletspider32 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know how u feel man. I think when you get to the point where you seriously don't care, that's when you are officially Red Pilled. Either way just banging a girl 20 years younger is a lot of fun.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

  • "unicorn of a feminist leaning man who borderline rapes her when they have sex."

This. Wimmin dream about vampires who treat them like a princess and billionaires who tie them up and beat them. Around every corner waits a knight in shining armour to solve all of her problems, then savagely violate her in his castle. It is the classic example of wanting something that they cannot have. Even if such a man existed (Chad Thundercock who writes poetry and does the washing up) she would be bored within a week and fuck a nerdy co worker.

[–]Patriarchysaurus2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sometimes what women say they want in polite conversation is the total opposite of what they actually desire, self-awareness of this fact varies wildly of course.

Source: Feminist ex begged me to roleplay rape her regularly. She even worked in a women's shelter. The crazy goes very deep.

[–]firewelt 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

did you get a kick out of rape roleplay? Im not suggesting anything, im asking if anything primal came out? If it did, it might be best not to explore it further.

[–]Patriarchysaurus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Other than fucking like a caveman, her cumming so hard she squirted for the first time in her life, and the extra dirty pillow talk? Sure something primal came out if you know what I'm saying.

But no, I didn't develop an uncontrollable urge to move on to literal raping, idiot.

[–]Kisstafer10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I couldn't help but laugh out of my nose because it's so true... women always just want "different".

[–]En-Zu1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy

I think it's worthwhile to master the art of making very non-feminist ideas seem feminist. It's not really that hard to spin things since its so vague, especially with slutty stuff they'd like to do anyway. That's the hamster.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

Not bad.

As has been beat to death, but we will need to continue to beat on it, on TRP, feminism isn't about equality....but when you spin things in equalistic terms, they have to at least pretend to go along with it.

[–]En-Zu1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

Sure. Because Feminism has the equivalent of high priestesses with things like Virginia Woolf & Judith Butler etc. and other seminal figures if you familiarize yourself with their works and just liberalism in general you can effectively disagree with them.

Especially in cases where academic feminists contradict each other, which, believe it or not, they do all the time just like in any other movement.

Other people might not be willing to put in the effort that I do reading things I know I'll disagree with most of though.

I wish I could think of specific times where I've taken down feminists on their own turf before. Maybe I'll start compiling them and make my own contribution to TRP for once.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

Especially if you sat on it and carefully compiled it, it would be a useful contribution.

I do think it helps to immediately give ground in places where equalism doesn't actually hold. I watched my last girl really struggle with sexism in STEM. She'd be treated like a child until after the first test, after which she was a bitch for setting the curve.

It's probably idealistic for me to fall on equalism, but I don't know what else to do.

I mean....I have a cousin, Phillip, who named his son Alexander....and he meant it, too. Night time stories were Sun Tzu. I shit you not. This kid's going to do great. I'd never see this kids feet cut from beneath him.

Equality of opportunity and equal justice before the law.

[–]En-Zu1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

There are plenty of reasons to disagree with affirmative action. I could enumerate a lot of them but I could make a recommendation instead:

For all the flak it gets Charles Murray's the Bell Curve is actually a really accessible and well compiled case against affirmative action.

Usually when confronted that I usually introduce my novel compromise which is to ignore historical injustice and the complexity that comes with judging which race deserves how much etc.

Welfare would be me effective looking strictly at income as a measure of social class. That way the law doesn't discriminate on color or creed, only on class.

It's not a fully conservative solution, but then again I'm not fully conservative haha.

As it is atm things like affirmative action being race based helps a middle class of historically disadvantaged minorities that happened to have elevated themselves to a higher class. So it enormously helps those few who are in the best position to exploit it, black upper/middle class, while leaving out those who need it the most (black lower class).

As for women, I'm unsure how much affirmative action for universities applies. Most things I hear about that are people whining about most top executives being male. To which I don't particularly remember effective counter-arguments for because my actual beliefs are that its fallacious to assume that men and women are interchangeable to the point where the only thing that would account for the disparity would be discrimination. But obviously I can't say that directly because that'd be labeled bigotry haha.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

I think there is an argument that women are far too careful to rise to the highest levels.

It's not a knock against them, imo. It is what it is.

For every top dog, there's a bunch of losers who made nothing of themselves.

[–]En-Zu0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Yeah. You could always go with reductio ad absurdum and note that the percentage of shorter male CEOs is comparable to the number of women CEOs and so you could say something really stupid but not quite inaccurate like maybe women aren't discriminated against intrinsically but its actually just because they are on average shorter so we shouldn't be focusing on women CEOs being represented as much as we should be focusing on height representation.

That's all a question of statistical similarity though. If the figures are comparable (which I think they are but I can't be bothered to look it up right now). It would be a funny, if not necessarily persuasive, counterargument. It would at least sow seeds of doubt which is usually enough to disorient staunch feminists.

In a similar vein, you could compare the number of women CEOs with the overall number of women employed in the management in a given industry. I'm willing to bet that, if taken as a subset of a particular industry's workforce, women high level execs are probably proportionally represented if not over-represented.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I appreciate your thinking.

An emerging litmus test is transgendered sports participants. Consider the Denver Broncos. There is a major conundrum between the two possible starting QB's. In a league of 32 teams, there are perhaps 20 guys actually capable of being a NFL QB. The vast majority of men fall vastly short.

On some level, Red Pilled thinking to me is an acceptance of orders of rank. AF/BB is absolutely a rank ordering. Who's actually winning is open to debate. I'm pushing hard as AF, but I shoot blanks and the only thing that matters in my life, beyond my death, is the effect I've had on others.

A recently bandied about stat is that I am the norm. Females are way more likely to breed. As Dad said, the does always get knocked up. Human females aren't unlike other critters....they outsource mate selection.....that's what pre-selection is all about.

I'm slightly drunk and rambling. If I fathered a child up to, say, 1980, I'd prefer them to be male. I just don't know anymore.

It's like.....this might be really good for mining.....so I have this smokeshow ex LTR, I just got off the phone with. Already talked about her, blah blah blah...she's a solid 7, 8 if you like them appropriately curvy, 9 if you like intellect and morals. The SMV difference is like between me and a male sexy college athlete with great grades and half my age. Probably more than that. I've seen her OKC inbox. It boggles the fucking mind.

I'd trade higher wages, higher chances of flaming out, higher chances of dying for myriad reasons, for a cunt, any day.

But I'm fundamentally Nietzchean, so amor fati is the name of the game. It's not a bad one, to be sure.

[–]En-Zu2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

These thoughts are pretty disjointed lol.

Don't get too drunk now mate

[–]biggerbetterjobs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think she'll find her unicorn of a feminist leaning man who borderline rapes her when they have sex.

Not to be a downer, but I highly doubt that. Lots of those hipster feminist leaning guys who hangout with those types of chicks are down with kink/bondage stuff. Some of them are more alpha than their omega "carl the cuck" type of underlings who just serve as nice guy gender studies classmate or gay friend to go shopping with. They play in bands, they're physically handsome, they're into cool obscure hip stuff. Lots of them don't give a shit if the girl's a slut too they'll just use her as a fuck toy under the blanket of "sex positive male-feminist".

I personally know a few of these guys. Once they overstep their boundaries or turn abusive/too controlling (when she no longer sees him as alpha but a desperate loser) The guys picture gets shared all over social media with alternative hipster girls calling him a rapist/abuser left and right and they're eventually blackballed from their friend group.

Seen this happen to lots of guys. I personally try to date outside my social circle cause you never know when some witch like that is gonna try to through your reputation in the trash.

[–]HenryCurtmantle6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Feminist phrases:

Totally unacceptable Zero tolerance Inappropriate behaviour Micro-aggression Manspreading COMPLETELY unacceptable

Whenever you hear these phrases, run for the hills

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

run for the hills

Laugh, agree and amplify, override. Feminism is a shit test; passing it consists of trampling it with incredulity.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

Only if it's from black or white males. If they're Muslim males violence is just a "cultural misunderstanding". Cuck morality. And if it's from women of course then it's a glitch in reality because "we all know" women are innocent princesses incapable of evil (tell that to the Gone Girl)

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Whos the Gone Girl?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–]trpanak1n5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

this hyper masculinity bullshit is all one big shit test and we as a gender need to collectively man up and ignore

[–]chambertlo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are intimidated by masculine men. That's why so many claim to prefer betas or "sensitive" men.

[–]WhySoRuff1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah yes, Gloria Allred... the premier lawyer of "women who have been mistreated by men." She is a pathogen to society.

[–]holiestoftheholies1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This reminds me of Stefan Molyneux's podcast where he practically shames a guy for not wanting to get married. Granted, the girl was a South American hottie but he was still reluctant to get married because he still wanted to pursue his entrepreneurial endeavor of making big bucks. Stefan didn't give a shit. He was all about his "Muh Western Civilization" bullshit. Here's a link to the show.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZuIGjsd72w

[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


  • Full Movie : Divorce Corp (Documentary) 8.1/10 IMDb



[–]Lateralanouncer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Divorce rate is so high. I guess this figure will dramatically increase once the CC riding alpha widowed generation, start to marriage up.

[–]TheOriginalWasBetter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's unfortunate that things are the way they are. I'd like to find a quality woman to marry, but Divorce law makes me hesitant no matter how I trust the woman. I'd want some kind of prenup that says divorce can't be no fault, and fault can't be determined by a judge. Maybe a jury or something, not sure what could be put in a prenup.

I do think that this is all on purpose. Destroy the family and you have a much easier population to control intellectually, more excuse for government control because of more crime, and overall more people who aren't self-sufficient so they vote for more government theft. It's just another symptom of victim politics. Everyone who isn't a straight white male is a victim and the solution isn't family or hard work or personal responsibility, it's government. The government takes your money, uses it to teach women to hate you, and then uses it to reward women to kick you to the curb, then uses it to make you pay out even more money as "support". Even if some of us can "beat the system", most people will be unable to.

[–]slutnip0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is a macro solution to fix this problem.

You need to overthrow the system. Being redpilled, you guys can easily come up with solutions to this problem. Take the focus away from women and use your knowledge on the US's history to learn how we achieved our independence in the first place (not what they teach you in school).

[–]sickofallofyou0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Cucks are running amok!

[–]Kisstafer10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LMFAO bro that is a good one

[–]PLAY_MY_MEAT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

men are mostly dead, bunch of pussies now

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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