Women are Incapable of Change.

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July 23, 2014

"I'm working on it." "I'm trying..." "I can't change overnight!"

Raise of hands, who has heard one of these before? Who has heard all three from the same woman? Who has heard all three from every woman?

Women are not agents.

Women, be it learned or ingrained, have no capacity for change or self-improvement. Their default position is hypoagency, they are acted upon, but they do not act. You can see it in every part of their lives:

  • Their communication style is primarily covert and passive aggressive, remaining behind the guise of plausible deniability. Women can petition for their desires secretly, while never being directly responsible for said communication.


Him: "Are you ok?"

Her, tersely: "I'm fine." //covert communication, she is upset.

Him: "Why are you upset?" //overt communication

Her: "Did I say I was upset?" //plausible deniability

  • They are not responsible for their actions. Women are so disconnected from consequence, they rarely acknowledge or understand consequences when their actions cause them. They are culturally considered perpetual victims, and do not receive harsh criminal sentencing, often receiving little to no punishment for crimes that men are punished severely for. Women are regularly shocked when faced with a consequence from their actions- as evidenced by their solipsistic attitude.

Women will find it completely acceptable to lie to maintain plausible deniability, or to keep themselves out of the spotlight of responsibility.


"I didn't want to cheat on you, I was drunk..." or "He took advantage of me.."

"I'm not trying to do this, it just happens! I can't help it!"

"I can't, it's hard, you don't understand..."

Trickle truth is a prime example of this behavior, as it allows women plausible deniability by not revealing anything (lie by omission), and looks plausible when she admits and apologizes for small segments of her lie only after they are discovered.

Women are incapable of change.

The mindset required for the above behaviors, as well as the mindset created by the above realities conspire to create a creature with no functioning understanding, desire, or comprehension of change. It requires too many understandings not present in the female psyche:

  • Understanding that one's actions can affect future consequences.
  • Acknowledgement that one is in control of one's actions.
  • Acceptance of potential future failure

All of these failures are consistent with the hypoagency exhibited in women. These failures should not be a surprise, but instead expected based on our understanding of women in culture.

So, how many times have you heard the phrases...?

"I'm working on it." "I'm trying..." "I can't change overnight!"

It should come as no surprise, and our experienced members can likely relate- these phrases are rarely, if ever accompanied by actual change.

While women can be forced to acknowledge shortcomings ("this is not a behavior I tolerate..." "I'm sorry!"), she will appear sincere in her desire to fix it and be what her man wants her to be. But the very fact that the phrase "trying" is in her vocabulary means she has already admitted she does not have the faculties of mind present to understand what a change would entail.

A boy who puts his hand on a hot stove once, learns to discontinue the behavior.

The boy does not say to his mother, "I'm trying to learn this behavior needs to change..." nor does he take the next month of continued burns to let it sink in. What would any prudent person think if the boy did? A boy who puts his hand on the hot stove repeatedly is mentally ill.

Many often criticize my decision to leave "Women, the most responsible teenager in the house" in the sidebar, but I have yet to see any compelling evidence that this is not the case- or even that this article is not too lenient! "I'm trying" is the placating cry of the female, helpless in her endeavors to understand the connection between herself and the world around her. Events happen around her and to her, by others, by fate, and by the alignment of the stars. The world must be a fascinating thing through the eyes of a woman. Buckled in safely for the ride, watching as the trees go by.

There is no "try" in men's vernacular. There is do and do not. There are mistakes, and there are outcomes. But a behavior that is understood to be wrong creates a consistency of mind. When processing external details and circumstances- one does not process these details through a state of mind one does not have! Instead, he understands and plans responses to his surroundings with the understood consistency of his mind. Things he has reasoned to be true and untrue weight on this processing. There is no mistaken desire to put one's hand back on the stove unless he is not truly convinced it is disadvantageous. A man will not behave in a manner he believes to be disadvantageous.

Now, he might act in a manner that is still disadvantageous, but only because he has not yet reasoned out why this may be so. Once he understands that it is disadvantageous... it is not a process of change, but instead a change of process.

Women, however, do not function with this presence of mind. You will hear "I'm trying" which betrays their intent, because women are incapable of change. Why would they say "trying" if it were any other way?

Do not expect change.

Caveat: I do believe proper discipline within the framework of a relationship is necessary, beneficial, and ultimately an effective tool. I consider this method of change a series of conditioning rather than an internally-driven desire or ability for change.

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Title Women are Incapable of Change.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 142
Comments 183
Date 23 July 2014 04:25 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]_whistler51 points52 points  (11 children) | Copy

You speak the truth, brother. Here are some personal anecdotes for the naysayers to read and summarily dismiss:

  • My girl wants to lose weight. When I asked her what her plan was, it was a series of exercises that might well achieve some moderate weight loss, but not as effectively as proper nutrition and a higher overall activity level. After my explanation to this effect, she insisted that her own routine had helped her achieve weight loss in the past. The reason for her past weight loss? Fitting into a bridesmaid's dress. Analysis: external actor (a wedding) motivated past, temporary change; current internal motivation is to seek out familiarity.

  • I instructed my girl to begin following an appropriate nutritional regimen. After teaching her the basics of caloric intake/output and outlining the basics of a properly nutritious meal, I tasked her with the responsibilities of grocery shopping and preparing nutritious meals for both of us. Left to her own devices, she failed to prepare meals of this sort. She also spent roughly one-third of her grocery allowance on snack foods. "But these cheese puffs are gluten-free, so they're healthy!" After I'd finished facepalming, I began providing constant, direct guidance. She has now learned to prepare a handful of healthy meals, and has lost fifteen pounds. "I don't know why I'm losing weight, I don't feel like I'm doing anything differently!" Analysis: general guidelines were not enough to motivate change; only directly applied, disciplinary guidance was sufficient. Even after guidance has been provided and changes implemented, the connection between cause and effect is denied by the hamster.

  • I spoke to my girl about the correct types of exercises to achieve a more attractive, healthier body. All exercises are done at body-weight, and are within her beginner's capability. She has had back problems in the past, and I selected these exercises to aid her with this as much as to increase her sexual value. Despite this, she did not take any steps to begin this exercise routine. A few weeks ago, I purchased a yoga mat for her and told her it would be the perfect accessory for these exercises. She immediately began applying the routine I gave her. Analysis: internal desire and the threat of familiar discomfort in the future were insufficient to effect change; direct guidance accompanied by a tangible representation of that guidance were a success.

My girl is intelligent, attractive, and fully capable of learning to do everything I've asked of her. But without an external guiding factor - me - she simply doesn't change.


Here are some more I just thought of:

Proof Of Change

Girl: I don't like vegetables or pork chops!

_whistler: Eat your vegetables and pork chops.

Girl: Wow I really like these vegetables and pork chops now!

Denial of Past Change

Girl: I don't like X food!

_whistler: Your palate will adapt, just like with pork chops.

Girl: No it won't, that doesn't really happen!

Social Contradiction of Denial of Past Change

Girl (to friends): He got me to like pork chops, even though I never liked them before!

The message here: Girls are fucking complex by nature. But they can be understood. Just forget all the crap people try to tell you to make themselves feel better, and fucking pay attention.

[–]Darkwoodz20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

So much time spent arguing with my gf over scientifically proven facts about exercise and diet. Her "The only way to lose weight is to starve," .....goddamnit

Laughing at the gf buying snacks. I'm always like let's shop healthy, then my girl does the same shit saying , oh but they're 100 calories per serving. Or, I just need a little chocolate every day, as though she's only going to eat one square from the Hershey bar.....Like bitch I know you're going to eat that whole bar Tn. Also don't pretend like the second chocolate bar was you being nice and getting one for me. You only got it because hopefully I would eat it and make you feel less shitty about your poor choices.

I was telling her for a couple years, she should lift weights because that's how all those women get the body she likes and sees online giving her the science behind it and proof....Every time I brought it up shed argue how she didn't want to get bulky etc.( Men lift for years without success trying to bulk. Yup you have so much derivation and dietary knowhow you're just going to turn into a pro bodybuilder over night).....then as soon as it becomes popular she's says she wants me to teach her to lift...

To get a woman to do something you can suggest something. You can't do a deception. You have to go full Leo DiCaprio inception on their asses. Make them think everything was their idea

[–]_whistler9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

You have to go full Leo DiCaprio inception on their asses. Make them think everything was their idea

Conversely, you could simply tell them what is expected, firmly and kindly. A good girl wants to please you, if you will teach her how and guide her as she goes.

[–]Darkwoodz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. However you then run the risk of them rationalizing poor behavior in your absence

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

Wife: "You need to lose some weight!" (it's true)

Wife at dinner: "Do you want to share this cupcake/cake/ice cream/chocolate bar/ dessert/dinner/etc etc etc etc."

Me: "Stop asking if I want your dessert!"

Wife: " I GET IT FINE."

My wife wants to feel better about her choices and will badger me to eat something unhealthy with her. In spite of my need to lose weight and her reminding me constantly.

Now- I just say yes, i will eat some. And then I don't because fuck her.

[–]_whistler0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

My advice, in case you're still having issues with this: Practice Amused Mastery.

This is the most integral part of my own relationship to my girl, and can be a huge benefit to you as well. "Stop asking if I want your dessert" becomes a calmly-delivered "No," followed by a disappointed-in-your-childishness stare if any 'badgering' follows your statement.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Love it. The red pill is a good pill. Changing my approach to everything. My brain always wants to talk through- prove my point- instead let the silence speak for itself.

[–]omg_cats 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

My brain always wants to talk through- prove my point- instead let the silence speak for itself

Learn the power of the silence. When you deliver whatever you say in an authoritative way, you gain initial acceptance there, then you let silence happen. The other party hamsters a way to make what you said true for them.

Silence isn't really silence, it's an opportunity for the other party to convince themselves what you said is true. Why try and do it for them?

[–]1PaulRivers10-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think some of your examples follow my observations that girls are and prefer to be follows rather than leads.

In #1, she's motivated by a 3rd party factor - there's a wedding and she needs to look good. Everyone else is slimming down, so she should to.

In #2, she wasn't motivated to really follow it until you were proving to lead the choices. Oooooh, the lead says those are bad choices! Time to learn from the lead.

In #3, you again described how to do something, but there was no example to follow. You bought her a yoga mat and "Oh! I see people using these! This is what other people do!" and she's motivated.

At the end you wrote: My girl is intelligent, attractive, and fully capable of learning to do everything I've asked of her. But without an external guiding factor - me - she simply doesn't change.

Without someone or something to follow, she maintains stasis.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Actually, it appears that she is merely a very concrete (as opposed to abstract) thinker and requires a great deal of specificity.

[–]1PaulRivers102 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My post has nothing to do with concrete vs abstract thinking. It is all about motivation.

A friend of mine didn't have a car for a while. He could afford it, he had a license and knew how to drive, he didn't buy a car. Then he had the chance to go on a date. Suddenly - he bought a car.

The problem is not whether she's capable, it's about what motivates her - what makes her feel like she wants to do it.

[–]hoboshoppingcart40 points41 points  (7 children) | Copy

To me, this was the final, lowest, chamber in the bottom of the rabbit warren.

They are not responsible for their actions. Women are so disconnected from consequence, they rarely acknowledge or understand consequences when their actions cause them. They are culturally considered perpetual victims, and do not receive harsh criminal sentencing, often receiving little to no punishment for crimes that men are punished severely for. Women are regularly shocked when faced with a consequence from their actions- as evidenced by their solipsistic attitude.

When a woman claims that she "couldn't help it" or "it just happened", I believe her. They are intrinsically incapable of being wrong in their own minds. I'm not saying that women are never wrong, and even if you can get her to admit it, she's not guilty of anything in her own mind. I'm not attacking them or even saying it's wrong to be this way. It's just the way they're programmed. It could be a biological adaptation or from social construct. For me it doesn't matter. It is the way they are, and knowing that is enough for me. I was RP for about 2 years before I even knew what RP was. I struggled in the bitterness phase for a long time and it wasn't until I finally understood that they really "can't help it" that I was able to free myself from all the anger, bitterness and hate I had let well up inside of me. I don't view women as teenagers anymore. They're all scared little girls. All of them. They're scared, insecure, and they don't know what they want. I went from hating women to feeling realistically empathetic with them once I understood they really fucking can't help it. Poor bastards. *edit goddamn it was therapeutic to write that down

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I realized a similar thing not too long ago. I realized that even in my own mind I thought that men acted on things, and women were acted on. When a woman was in a bad situation by her own doing, my immediate thought was "what happened to her?". A man in the same situation would make me think "what did he do?".

I think it's built into our brains. Think about it, thousands of years ago in the primal phase of "hit that bitch with a rock", if a human male was in trouble it was because he did something to get there or he was doing something bad. But females were to be protected, so she didn't do anything. Males did everything. So if a female got hurt, something happened to her.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have an upvote good sir... exactly so.

These people are the responsibility of the actual agents. Nobody "chose" this... Who would choose this role in society? Do you "hate" those weaker than yourself? I sure hope not...

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

could you write a post to helpthose who are stuck where you are?

[–]hoboshoppingcart-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sure, brother. When I get home and have my computer I'll get something down.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This warms my heart. Thanks bro.

[–]1iluminatiNYC20 points21 points  (11 children) | Copy

You're in the right general direction, but you aren't quite there. I believe women can change provided you're speaking their language. The biggest issue that I've learned with women is that they communicate by impression, not directly. The worst way to get a woman to change is to ask her to change. What you can do is give the impression that whatever behavior she's doing would get her social disapproval and/or doing a certain behavior(s) would get her social approval. Women do this all the time to devastating effect, but they never come out and say "Hey Susie! You need to change!"

It's all a matter of how you say things.

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[–]ISODAK1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

You seem to be the exception to this rule, though. You made the decision to change [drastically] as the result of your own epiphany.

The only way that can be defined in the terms of OP's analysis (which I think is pretty solid, in general), is if your decision was subconsciously the result of years of conditioning by your husband (the strife that resulted from the power struggle): it eventually got so bad that you were forced to try anything as an alternative to the status quo.

Unless there was something you didn't mention in your story that he did, which guided you into your epiphany.

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[–]nomadicwilk1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

what does "/s" mean? for women there is always another branch to swing to. did you not have the benefit of divorce-assaulting your husband?

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

what does "/s" mean?


The following just a filler text, so the bot not gonna delete my respons.

[–]RedPillington0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i definitely had trouble parsing it on the first read-through.

in the either/or statement, the either clause (change my behavior patterns and support our household dynamics) is straightforward and stated directly. however, the or clause (provide an educational and illustrious example to our children of what a happy, healthy, loving relationship between two healthy adults looked like) is sarcastic, meaning the other option is to provide a bad example to her kids.

i think she was conceding that there was an element of her husband leading her to the change.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Like I said in my caveat- you can lead her to change via discipline and conditioning. For instance, treating bad behavior badly, and rewarding good behavior.

But if a woman does something unacceptable, your only choice is to say "this is unacceptable" or convey that you plan to walk. In this case- a woman's go-to phrase is "I'm trying."

My post is a warning to men that Susie won't be changing so don't expect it. It's a warning specifically not to say "Hey Susie! You need to change!" because it doesn't work.

[–]Soultrane90 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

So if Susie won't change... do i have to dump Susie even if it breaks my heart?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If it's something you won't tolerate, it might be.

For instance, I've had an experience with a girlfriend over-reacting to situations and getting bent out of shape, and getting ornery with me. After the third time I told her, it's time to curb this behavior, it's becoming a pattern.

Did she give me the "I'm trying" line? Yes she did. She needed to know I'd be willing to walk before putting real effort in.

Rollo does mention that ultimatums are the worst, but setting boundaries always needs follow-through.

[–]JewSupremacist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are you happier with or without Susie?

Sometimes doing what's best for ourselves is very painful in the short term.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm at home for the summer, and have been slowly realizing women's incapability to change by trying to get my mother to exercise, and seeing my sister be an emotional wreck. A lot of time is saved by accepting women for what they are.

[–]Sarabear0926 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy

RPW here. Can I use this in a thread on RPW?

Reason for asking After reading this, specifically after reading the examples. I began to think back on how I use "I can't help it! I'm trying". I realized I use that excuse frequently when I make a mistake, actually the same mistake he tells me to work on. Then, I get angry when my SO tells me "Yes, Sara, you CAN help it". I have stopped using that excuse to an extent but I STILL use it and for some reason I ignored the fact that I do. I was reading this while thinking "I really hope I don't do that". What a surprise to me (because I wanted to believe I didn't), I do. It came as a shock when I realized I use even ONE of the given examples, THAT is ridiculous and I need to change ASAP. I need to NOT try to, but actually DO. So I am, because I know I use that excuse and I'm ashamed I was ignoring that I did.

Why I want to use in RPW thread Share with the other women. There is a thread posted discussing "What to do when you and your SO get into a fight"? I think this can help the other RPW reflect and maybe, like myself, realize they may be saying one of the given examples (Hopefully NONE about cheating) and possibly ignoring the fact they use these excuses also.

TL;DR Basically, I realized I use "I can't help it, I'm trying" as an excuse more than I thought. I'm ashamed that after reading this I was actually shocked because of this understanding. So, because of this I reflected and am now changing. I want to share this thread with RPW as reference and share my realization so they might reflect on their own mistakes and begin to change for the better as well.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, feel free to repost it in it's entirety if you see fit.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The absolute motto of all women in this earth is NO AGENCY.

[–]schizoBrother 63 points63 points [recovered] | Copy

Everyone can change. Some people take a lot longer to do it, some never do, but all can.

[–]dagoonsquad6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Personally I don't think people change, even on an individual level. We're still the same people back as cavemen as we are now. Still fucking, still killing each other, and still fighting for status and power. Right now, were just cavemen with life changing technology.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, we're all driven by primal forces, and many of us seem incapable of transcending our primal nature. But I would argue we can and do change, both evolutionary and revolutionary.

Just not always for the better.

When it comes to tactics, women change all the time. They're chameleons; held in check not by a list of virtues, but by social constraints... Remove all constraints and watch them evolve from GG's into Freaks and Hoes.

There's certainly a segment of women who resist change - the Party Girls who leverage beauty for a free ride on the fun train. But there's also a large segment of men don't change/evolve because they're either trapped in beta servitude, coasting at half-speed, or clinging to their childish ways.

I can't embrace a "women can't change" argument. From my perspective, men are more stuck. And that's why we need TRP.

[–]JewSupremacist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

many of us seem incapable of transcending our primal nature.

A bit tangential to this post, but I've thought about this a lot lately.

A couple hundred thousand years ago none of our ancestors were capable of transcending their primal nature. As time has gone on, more and more people have become capable of doing so but I'd argue it's less than 10% or 20% at most. Sure most people can learn to read and write and use computers and drive cars and do complex tasks but when it comes to true self-reflection, looking at the bigger picture, critical thinking, and empathizing (all the hallmarks of transcendence of our animal natures), very few people are truly capable right now. This might change over the course of thousands of generations but more realistically I think humanity will destroy itself before that ever happens :(

[–]1Ill_mumble_that66 points67 points  (52 children) | Copy

Women can change when they are molded to by strong men in their life. Every woman I've ever been with has changed to become more like me, without fail. My wife is now interested in Star Trek, surfing, snowboarding, and baking. Previous to me she had 0% experience in any of those and even told me she wasn't interested in those things. When I met her she was all about shopping. I removed that habit from her and switched it to online deal hunting, but even that is minimal in comparison to what she once was.

Women are water that will take for shape of the strong manly container that they end up filling.

If your woman is boring, it's because you are boring. If your woman is fat, it's because you put up with it. If your woman isn't happy, its because you aren't happy and you aren't asserting yourself. As a man you have agency and with that comes all of the responsibility for both you and any women that you engage in long-term relationships with.

When you have a strong manly frame, your mission will become her mission. She will follow you and become your strongest supporter, given that you don't allow her to be lazy. Use the Benjamin Franklin effect to your full advantage. Tell her to do stuff, and do so constantly. By no means order her around 100% of the time, use some psychology.

When you want a woman to do something, give her a few options "honey please choose A, B, or C" and just be sure that the one you want her to pick sounds much better to her than the other two. This gives the woman the illusion that she has agency and freedom to make guiding choices in the relationship, which is is exactly what she wants. She wants the illusion of power, she wants to feel important, but she doesn't want any actual power or any of the responsibility that comes with that so don't give her any. That's on you as a man to maintain.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 54 points55 points  (35 children) | Copy

This effect also explains why women seem like completely different people when they move on to their next guy.

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[–]Soultrane915 points16 points  (20 children) | Copy

Dude. Just. You blew my mind. Wow.

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[–]RedPillington1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

It takes years, decades, of contemplation of some of them, and much research, before some of the meaning begins to be understood.

can you suggest any study materials?

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[–]RedPillington1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

thanks! is there any particular volume you would suggest? i've found a lot of available ebooks online, and i will try to determine that for myself, but if you have any recommendations, i would be grateful.

to give you a background of where i am at right now, i've read the works of gurdjieff one time, listened to several robert bly talks, and subsequently got into crowley through robert anton wilson. i've been studying the thoth tarot as a starting place, and specifically have read the book of thoth and duquette's thoth tarot book. i've got liber 777, which i plan to begin working on when i complete magick without tears.

i feel like i have my work cut out for me with the thoth tarot and all the associated attributions, but i have no external assurance that i'm going at anything the right way. i missed the most recent open event at the local OTO lodge, but i plan on visiting at the next possible opportunity.


[–]Endorsed ContributorRS732 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You may have already read these but Frazer's "The Golden Bough" is an old classic and is available free from Amazon and other places on line. Joseph Campbell's "Hero With A Thousand Faces" and "The Power of Myth" are great. Campbell's kind of hip to hate nowadays because he got popular with baby boomers twenty years ago. And Frazer's from a non-PC era so he's been somewhat out of fashion recently too (especially at colleges) but they're both full of great insights and info.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (12 children) | Copy

according to some, may also have external effects that can alter objective reality.

Keep this hocus-pocus bullshit out of here.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

Think about a logo and how that affects people.

Well, sure, but that's not "a symbol affecting physical reality" in the sense I understood it - I thought you meant some pseudo-quantum-physics hand-waving bullshit about our perceptions influencing physical reality or some other such hogwash.

Marketing influencing reality? Sure, it's just communication, and of course communication influences people, their mindsets, and their actions. Advertising wouldn't work otherwise.

Remember that no branch of science today understands consciousness yet;

No, but there's a lot of people working on it from a lot of different directions. I like Douglas Hofstadter's views on this a lot, personally. It's clear that the brain is some variety of computing wetware, though it's not at all like a conventional computer. Nonetheless, as an empiricist and materialist, I believe the brain is instantiated in physical reality and relies entirely on physical laws to function: no dualistic metaphysical ephemery required.

We're meat machines.

[–]RedPillington2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sure, it's just communication, and of course communication influences people, their mindsets, and their actions.

communication is exclusively symbolic representation of something else.

Nonetheless, as an empiricist and materialist, I believe the brain is instantiated in physical reality and relies entirely on physical laws to function: no dualistic metaphysical ephemery required.

if we are deterministically linked to a single initiating point at the beginning of time, then the interconnections between everything are so vast and integral that I can't conclusively define the components or the identity of consciousness as exclusive of the surrounding environment.

you can see my skin, or hair, or clothes, or room and make a judgment of my character. when i clean my room, my mind is more clear. when i am depressed, my room is more cluttered. there is some aspect of me that is represented in my environment that feeds back into my system of consciousness somehow.

furthermore, the environment of people and animals and plants interlock and interweave so much that it's hard for me to conclude that there is not exterior interplay of consciousness.

if i share space with someone and I frequently make the symbol of anger with my body, they will be affected internally, which will in turn reflect into other areas of their life. this space i share with someone has elements of me, and elements of them in it. if i'm clean and they're dirty, my personality is effected by the feedback from the environment. to me this seems almost indistinguishable from a shared portion of identity.

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[–]JewSupremacist-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I believe the brain is instantiated in physical reality and relies entirely on physical laws to function

You're free to think what you please but we are so far from being able to make this statement that you come off as a bit dogmatic here.

[–]RPDBF7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

A women adopts the personality of the man they are fucking - Dante Nero

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[–]StarDestinyGuy12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy

Wow. That's psychotic.

And the women just fell for all of that so easily?

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[–]1Ill_mumble_that19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy

Sexual strategy is amoral. He was getting what he wanted, and she was getting what she wanted, although her wants were self-damaging.

I'll write this one off as an example of what happens when men don't take responsibility for the women they're with and instead let the woman do whatever she pleases (which doesn't involve taking responsibility for herself).

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[–]JewSupremacist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What he was doing could reasonably be described as immoral but I think it's hilarious. He wasn't making them do anything they didn't want to do. He merely facilitated their own inherent self-destructive tendencies. Personally I couldn't do that to other people but I can't really hate the guy for doing it either. That type of shit confirms RP theory so really he has done humanity a favor.

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I will agree that it is hilarious, but humour isn't something we should use as a key factor on our moral compasses. Hell, humour is most often at someone's expense; that's what makes it funny.

We don't have to go out of our way to save others from themselves. That is their job. But we also don't need to go out of our way to knowingly glorify in their downfall for our own amusement.

[–]_whistler0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can confirm, am sociopath and truly believe that.

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How's that guaranteed corporate success working out for ya?

[–]JewSupremacist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lmao that's hilarious, not gonna lie

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[–]2trway140 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They latch onto something and claim it is their identity because society has made them feel they need to care about these things

most do it for feeling good or for their reputation of being admired

To be fair, that's how men get into things too. As a kid you try some shit, you find out what you're good at, and the accomplishments keep you going in that direction. Eventually it becomes your identity.

The difference imo is that there is pressure on men to perform (or it'll cost you SMV) while that's not really the case for women. Hence the water/container effect, which I too have noticed. Women are free to change shape depending on which guy they're with - he'll teach them, and it's okay that she's not so experienced at first. That doesn't fly for men, hence they have to define and teach.

[–]scamper_220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, I wouldn't argue with that. Most men get into things the same way.

Except that this does cause unneeded tension as people try and push to define themselves, and hence, oppose someone else, even though they really don't care about it.

It would be like a big societal push to get guys to care about the color of the walls of their home. It would probably cause more issues on average.

Women are free to change shape, but like I said, tell that to some modern woman and they will think you are insulting them. This leads to defensiveness, which causes more problems.

People are being told to care about things they don't really care about. And then of course you start counting who is winning and the rest, and it's really not good for anyone.

[–]nofaprecommender9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy

This is a lot better and more instructive way to make this point than the OP. Why is the majority of stuff on here useless crap about how women are immoral and incapable instead of focusing on what men should to do improve themselves/their outcomes?

Edit: I just read the last paragraph you wrote and I have a story about that. A few years ago my girl wanted to go on a cruise really bad for the winter. I tend to dilly dally when buying travel tickets for various reasons (mainly to keep funds available for as long as possible while still getting a good price for the tickets). We looked around at all the different things that were available and we had basically two choices for our trip, a Norwegian ship or Royal Caribbean. Royal Caribbean had lots of cool stuff and we were enthusiastic about the big rock wall. It also got recommendations from her father. The Norwegian ship also looked nice, but RC had a ship that looked and sounded great from the pictures. We were all for it.

She had called some website at some point and spoken to some dude that I was supposed to call back. I did not call for a long time, due to aforementioned dilly dallying tendency. We eventually called together to speak to some super enthusiastic representatives. Real nice guys. We get to our second enthusiastic representative who tells us all about the rooms and the prices available on Royal Caribbean, which we were pretty set on at that point. We end the call to confer between ourselves about what we want. We decide on a room with either a window or an open balcony, I don't remember. I call back the representative to book the ticket and--it's sold out. Only super expensive mini-suites available. Even the really cheap rooms with no windows or balconies are all booked. If this was all that was available, I was kind of in a bind: our daughter was six months old at the time and her mother was coming to town from Texas to NYC to take care of her during that week. I had promised her this trip for a while and she was really looking forward to it and there was no way for me to cancel this or postpone, because no one would be around to take care of the baby for so long.

Neither one of us was experienced with cruises and I thought that the RC ship was clearly a better choice and she agreed with my reasoning. So at this point I had a few options, but they could be categorized as follows: some led to big fights and others did not. One option that did not was that I could pay for the super expensive RC room without telling her (she wasn't on the phone for the call). Not a good look and really only a super desperation move if I absolutely had to. I only considered this because I took responsibility for not checking the availability earlier, even though she had asked me too. Of course, I could have told her and then paid for that room, but that would have been the Lose-LOSE option because it would have been an uber-fight about not getting the tickets earlier and then about the money that had to be spent, so that was not at all a good idea.

The other option is to go Norwegian, again either telling her or not. If I told her that RC was sold out and that we have to pick Norwegian, she would have been hysterical about having to settle for the inferior ship when we had decided on RC and, of course, it would be all my fault, and for once I could not wholly disagree.

The final good option was to roll the dice. Although we were completely for RC, the truth is that the trips were very similar and that we were picking based on our naive assessment of the benefits. It was just as easy to find another comparable list of benefits for Norwegian (Norwegian had a little later docking times, for one, which meant that we wouldn't have to be out at 7 AM to ensure we got to spend the maximum available time onshore, and also a rock wall, just not as big as RC's).

So then I decided to make it her choice. I told her that both were available and I laid out all the advantages of both once again. And the two were very similar, so I had to put the lightest touch on it. It wouldn't have made sense to do a hard sell for Norwegian at the last minute. I made it sound like, on second thought, maybe the later docking times and an extra hour or so on some days would be better than the rock wall and whatever else there was.

So she agreed that, hey, why not go for Norwegian? And after being on it and getting some cruise experience I think it was the better choice after all. We also got a room with a balcony so that was great.

Later, after I told her that RC had actually been sold out, she asked me why I didn't tell her at the time (although she knew exactly why). And she admitted that it was clever of me to do what I did. So just reinforcing the point that the illusion of choice can be very satisfying for a woman, even when there really is none.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy

Because society/disney/tv/school teachers/feminism/etc/ raises boys to think that women are infallible. It claims women are the fairer sex, that women have more integrity, that women have more empathy, that women are smarter, that being a man is a terrible thing and that acting out on masculine impulses is evil and should be illegal.

Millions (billions?) of boys are being raised with this shitty programming which is making them into full-blown sexless betas whether their parents realize it or not. One of the first steps to deprogramming these boys (and I do believe that you are not to be considered a man until you wake the fuck up and act like one) is to point out the many flaws that women have, and why you don't want to act or be anything like them if you want to attract them. Women aren't attracted to women, and these boys need to understand that acting like the miserable spineless whelps that feminism would have them be is going to get them nothing sexually.

If you understand the true nature of women, you will not want to treat them like a princess. Quite the opposite. You will understand that while us men are violent and aggressive and a whole list of negative traits that are associated with us, women have a whole other list of negative traits that outweighs ours by a landslide with little positive traits to make up for it. Women couldn't build empires and civilization, they don't care about that stuff. And you'll also understand that women are attracted to men as a whole, both our positive and our "negative" traits. They want a whole man, aggression, confidence, violence... the entire package.

When you carefully dissect female nature/behavior, you understand exactly what their place is in nature's hierarchy and you won't be afraid to put them there. Which funny enough, is exactly what will make them happy to follow you. It's in their best interest because they're evolved to be happy in that role. They aren't like us men that want to constantly compete with one another as equals, regardless of what society might say, women only want to compete as a means to finding a man that will dominate them.

It's in their nature to care about the basic essentials of life: food, shelter, reproduction. That's all. They don't look beyond themselves and build pyramids to immortalize themselves into the history books. They don't seek infamy into the future, they only care about right here and right now. Once you understand solipsism, you will understand why Rome fell, and why our current sexual market is the way it is now that women have taken so much power.

[–]Soultrane90 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

What about successful educated women? Am i an idiot thinking they are not the same?

What's the different approach here for a 21yo college girl versus a 35 yo professional?

[–]1Ill_mumble_that1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

All women are the same and have the same base behaviors deep down. Being college educated or old doesn't change much.

An older woman will have ridden more cocks and it will take a more masculine domineering approach to turn her on. She'll have sampled many fine wines (men) and will have a decent grasp of what a good one will taste like.

But it's all relative. An ugly 35 yo or ugly 21 yo is going to be an easy approach either way. If she's an attractive 35 yo then that's where she's become quite effective at shit-testing over the years, so be prepared.

When it comes to women, education doesn't matter that much. Only whether she is attractive or not, whether she is a druggie or not, etc.

[–]Soultrane91 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

When it comes to women, education doesn't matter that much.

This is so fucking hard to accept :/ Thanks for the answer.

[–]JewSupremacist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's true in my experience. Having some fancy degree seems to make little difference in the ability of women to hold deep conversations. Most are utterly incapable of talking about anything that doesn't revolve around them in some way, at least for more than very brief periods of time.

[–]MajorStyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Spot on. She has to be the product of authoritarian rule, which continually challenged her. She had to witness virtuous behavior.

[–]DianaDewAsmr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women can change when they are molded to by strong men in their life. Every woman I've ever been with has changed to become more like me, without fail.

I think this is why a manly figure, a strong father, is needed in every woman's life.

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[–]1Ill_mumble_that0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Stick around, you'll learn.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

actually no. the woman who literally wrote the book on abusive relationships says in her decades of work she's never seen an abusive woman change, and neither has any of her contemporaries.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Hear that folks! listening to the opinions on the expert in an academic field is literally religious fanaticism!

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

It is when you accept it as ineffable dogma.

and if you said that I accepted it as ineffable dogma then it has to be true!

P.S. the first three words of your comment exemplifies again that what is important to you in life is what other people think.

but we digress

Eat my fuck pig felcher.

I love you too.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You declared right there your ineffable faith when you wrote "no".

right. That's definitely not just a bunch of shit you pulled out of your ass. clearly my use of the word 'no' makes me some kind of zealot.

Obviously you're a child and/or low IQ half-wit so suck a corkscrew venereal wart pig cock ya troll bitch; you'll hear no more from me so go ahead and get your little last word in faggot.

don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women can change. You can't just sit there and expect them to change, you have to will it.

With one of my ex's, I became weary of how out of shape she was. I told her flat out, you're fat, you need to lose weight. I worked with her and helped her out, but I had to be proactive, because she kept testing constantly. For instance, "What, don't you love me for who I am?"

Defuse and remain firm. Women are not incapable of change, they need the proper motivation.

[–]bama79rolltide5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fellas, we have to make sure that we change. Always self improve. TRP is a way to help men get with women. It is natural to enjoy a beautiful body, a pretty face, and the feeling of being inside her. I personally love when a woman wears perfume, and she smells irresistible.

Make sure that you understand hypergamy. One thing that I think happens to us is we turn into Fred Flintstone when he gambles. He starts stuttering and making irrational decisions instead of smart decisions.

I have been an overthinker and analyzer when I get a sexy woman home. I think "What to do next" or other self evaluating to make sure it goes TRP way. I have learned to relax. Women will not change. We are the ones who have to make adjustments. Adjustments for the better.

Be well.

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I would say that women are incapable of self-change (self-improvement). Conscious change, however you want to call it. This post reminded me of all the times I've heard "I'm trying!" from a woman in my workplace, to which I replied something along the lines of "So what? Do it or don't do it, don't try to do it" only to receive a look of confusion.

"Try" is the female criteria for all of her abortive self-improvement ventures - why do 99% of women fail at dieting? The criteria was to "try" to do it, not to look like X or to have Y stats by Z date.

This doesn't, however, mean women are not changing - people are always changing and if you aren't changing for the better, you are likely being changed for the worse. Women are constantly changed by circumstance - the random events and occurrences and people in their lives, particularly the social group they are with, molds them over time (or quite quickly). A leader / alpha can take advantage of this tendency to structure a lifestyle for his woman that is conducive to positive change - essentially tricking out her hamster wheel and salt-drip to start helping her become a better person. Doing so is unreliable and often prone to sharp regression, which is why "making a unicorn" is very difficult, even if you start with a decent girl.

You have to have massive frame in her eyes - this is why I am glad we haven't seen any of those "how do I convince my female coworker the cock carousel is bad? How do I win this argument with a female" type posts anymore. If you aren't a very dominant force in her life and in that phase of a plate / LTR where she admires you in sort of a God-like way, you will not be able to condition her properly in a consistent manner that builds up to deep-identity level change.

[–]RedPillington1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How do I win this argument with a female

"Ah, okay."

heh. works on dudes too.

[–]comefromspace2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think this is a bit misguided. Women are not incapable of change, like a child, they have to be shown, led and told what to do. That is the way men built successful societies in the past. It is true that women do not take initiative for change, but a dominant man can inspire in them the desire to change and to follow.

The religious texts of the last 2 millenia explicitly demanded that women follow their men, for their own good and for the good of the society. Of course, in today's worldwomen are told to "do whatever they want", they are doing nothing at all. The reason? They have no motive to do so on their own volition, and the culture doesn't pressure them to follow.

As long as there are hordes of beta men to cater to their every need, they will not lift a finger. As long as we don't spread TRP to the majority of men, women will keep leeching in life.

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That "trying" is always coupled with a willful ignorance of the right way to fix a problem. "you've got to go to the doctor to stop the bleeding " - "I'm trying to stop the bleeding, these things don't change over night".

It doesn't matter if you give them a solid course of action, they will take any other route possible.

Edit:shitty formatting

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Sorry, formatting mistake on my part, that was supposed to be "trying" in quotes.

[–]DianaDewAsmr2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

RPW here. This is so true it's painful.

Honestly, whenever I was required to change all my excuses were valid and accepted, heck, I was even pitied and patted on the back, with apologies for hurting my feelings.

If a male counterpart did the same he'd have been kicked in the ass very hard.

So now whenever something pisses me off I try to shut up the hamster and find what's hurting me because it's usually something I agree with.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm pretty sure a lot of women can change and self improve of their own accord. Plenty of women in this world have lost weight, gotten jobs, saved money, changed their lifestyles, and educated themselves. Maybe I'm missing the point of this post, but it doesn't make much sense to me. It seems like a very crude and unfair generalization.

[–]ThePantsThief7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone does this. Everyone lies. Everyone wants everything to go their way sometimes.

Everyone is capable of change, some more than others.

[–]Rafael-L-Smith1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

how do you explain fat girls who stop eating kfc everyday and then get hot ?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The same way any rational adult would when working in generalities.

[–]8108094 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You mean all those fatties that get dumped and then go on a diet to "show him what he's missing"? That isn't change, in fact it's ironically the opposite: it's going to an extreme to "prove" that he's in the wrong (hypagency again and again and again with women) and she's a wonderful snowflake that in a relationship should never have to do something for HIM. And that is exactly what that proves: that she will never change her entitled attitudes towards men. It isn't change for changes sake: as in improving yourself. It's a temporary tactic to keep that moral superiority in dictating what each gender can demand in a relationship on a personal level.

[–]selfsufficientnigga1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say 'incapable', I'd say if you can get away and keep getting away with the easy option, without being punished in any way, you'll never go for the hard option. It's like being a spoiled kid, and while men are forced to grow up, women are allowed to stay a spoiled kid in one form or the other. Eventually, it becomes second nature.

There's a story in 'Art of War' about concubines, I think it applies here: http://kslye.blogspot.com/2007/10/story-about-sun-tzu-and-kings.html

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Events happen around her and to her, by others, by fate, and by the alignment of the stars. The world must be a fascinating thing through the eyes of a woman. Buckled in safely for the ride, watching as the trees go by.

I chuckled and uttered "holy shit". I know several girls that operate in the fantastical black and white world such as this.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Married man sex life is decent.. but may not be quite hard hitting on discipline. Try Dalrock or Heartiste for occasional advice..

Mostly, keeping frame and not being afraid to walk away are the cores to good discipline.

[–]stevredpill2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

What's ironic is one of the other characteristics of women is they are fickle, "change their mind", and are a key "agent" in Briffault's law - which you could say is handshaking on an "agreement", and then changing the terms or calling the terms off.

It's almost as if their core is change. There is no stability. There is only molding to what the surrounding is or what agents do to her. And as such, she never really changes as it pertains to improving, or building on a foundation of logic, reason, and beliefs.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's worth looking up Rollo's essay on Feminine Mystique.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great essay.

Guys are expected to be straight and true. The measure of a man is his honesty and reliability. Women tend to be elusive, mysterious and secretive. Society rewards them for NOT being straight and true, while they manipulate men like puppets for their thirst and predictability.

In Rollo's poetic words, "While a Man can never be respected for anything less than being forthright and resolute – say what you mean, mean what you say – women are rewarded and reinforced by society for being elusive and, dare I say, seemingly irrational. In fact, if done with the right art, it’s exactly this elusiveness that makes her both desirable and intolerably frustrating. However, to pull this off she must be (or seem to be) unknowable, and encourage all of male society to believe so... There’s power in secrets for women."

[–]ConfidenceMatters3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Best thread in a while.

Here's funny story about ''change," and my RP brethren, feel free to criticize and whatnot. For the first time in forever, I may need some solid RP input.

4 weeks ago, my girlfriend of 4 months (3 at that time) ecstatically organized a ''girl's night out" at some lounge in NYC with her best friend, a friend of hers and a whole bunch of dudes, two of which she invited herself to go clubbing (drinking & dancing). It should be noteworthy that the case wasn't that she got invited out - it was all her idea. Obviously they all dressed slutty trying to ''outdo each other' and whatnot.' She told me it was just going to be them 3 hanging out in the city and nothing more. She made it seem like she got invited and ''accepted'' knowing I am strongly against women going out, especially out clubbing, and her exact words to her best friend towards my strong discontent and disapproval was "but idc"

But whatever, at first I was 100% OK with it but as the day went on I found out she planned on ''hanging out" from 9:30pm to 5am, and after a little fight and me withdrawing attention and affection (because I was genuinely turned off by her, not mad), I hit her with "Do whatever you want, but actions have consequences" and let her go, so she went on to participate in her little "girl's night out" with all these people while I did my own thing that night (I want to keep this classified for now).

She then lied about the entire thing to me saying it was only her, her best friend and her friend in a lounge, sitting down chatting with hookah in a lounge. That was allegedly their entire night. I knew that sounded like the biggest bullshit ever and went with my gut feeling, but based on nothing really I couldn't really do anything, so it didn't matter. Just took a vivid mental note of this behavior and decided she wasn't ready to move in with me, let alone marriage.

Now, that whole night was bad enough on her part because going out to a lounge with your girlfriends all dressed slutty is something a quality girl who is single doesn't even do, let alone a quality woman in a ''loving & serious" relationship. Don't care how ''controlling'' or ''insecure'' or ''untrustworthy" this makes me sound but women who go out clubbing dressed all slutty do not deserve my seed or commitment.

But I said whatever, she profusely apologized, swore it was never going to happen again and whatnot and we made up. I let that rock by simply understanding that she is 20 and that I should trust nothing bad happened, as well give her freedom because I am naturally confident and not controlling. I just have standards and boundaries and I expect compliance or I punish accordingly.

Last night I found out on my own that she actually met up with a bunch of random guys with her friends (''Trickle truth is a prime example of this behavior, as it allows women plausible deniability by not revealing anything (lie by omission), and looks plausible when she admits and apologizes for small segments of her lie only after they are discovered.'' - fuckin' golden, so true), and then she admits that that did happened, and then proceeds to blatantly lie in my face, saying she did NOT know they were coming.

Again, I kinda knew her alibi was bullshit so I was not surprised. I also sense bullshit when she said she wasn't informed about the dudes being there, so I just crack up.

Later we have makeup sex, but I go with my gut feeling and don't believe she didn't know about the guys coming, so I tell her she wasn't out of the woods yet, and that I want to confirm that she didn't know about the guys, so me all sleepdeprived, I make her bring up the texts from that night between her and her best friend (LOL I probably just hamstered that one. I let my lack of trust get the best of me).

Upon handing me the phone she immediately starts acting extremely sketchy and I notice she gets nervous. I start laughing hysterically inside, because what else is there to do other than laugh? Here I am about to go through my girlfriend's goddamn phone like some kind of faggot, something she knows I've been against (she has offered to let me see her texts before but I refused profusely) so this whole thing was extremely amusing to me. I read the entire thing and confirm that she not only ecstatically organized the entire thing, she knew about the guys coming and even invited a few herself. After the laughter, exhaustion creeps in and I'm just sitting here like Mike, but with a smirk on my face, as she apologizes profusely and tells me she loves me.

So I find out she lied about that entire thing and swears that that was a month ago, she's ''changed." Obviously any illusions of marrying this chick, or even moving in with her are now close to zero, and can't but feel disgusted and turned off by her.

It should be noted also that she was well on her way to actually becoming a legit RP Woman/Unicorn with my guidance, is submissive, reads RP/RPW and agrees with it, says she wants to do whatever it takes to make me happy, strongly loves & wants children, especially from me, has a pretty decent family with her dad in her life, and wants nothing more than to follow me and support me in anything I do.

But yeah, there's that. Lmao

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I get an uncanny feeling that you haven't dumped her yet.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

She's no longer your serious & loving relationship girlfriend, she's your fuck buddy.

Doesn't matter who she says she loves, just remind yourself how much she also loves lying to your face whenever it suits her agenda. She's 20, the hypergamous impulse is intense, so are her opportunities in her circle of friends. For her these are too good to miss right now. And from the way you write it's clear she thought she could out-alpha you by shopping around, since you're such a good guy in your own mind. That's giving the girl second thoughts, she doesn't want an easy & pleasant good guy, she wants a badass who'll challenge every bit of what she's got as a female, so that she has to go at full horsepower loads to catch and somehow hold on to him. Mother nature simply demands it.

So bit of advice dude, stop being the good guy, don't think of yourself as one any longer, don't align yourself with that "code" and no longer follow any of her rules. No more rational, no more considerate. All that laughter you describe is covering up for rage, and you know it. That's good rage, for her to breathlessly adore and worship you, it's by far preferable to be a ruthless asshole who only cares about what he wants. So all in all, advice is stop boring your girl by expecting her to be good, and stop boring her by actually being good yourself.

Above all have fun with your new women, if you know what's good, you should definitely not continue anything exclusive with this one, but you can absolutely keep fucking her on the side as well. You'll want to hold on to the soul-crushing frame of "it wasn't that I wasn't good enough, it's that she didn't measure up, and what's done is done", that you already have. She'll be trying her best to "prove herself", whilst you just enjoy the show while it lasts, with the inner understanding that kitty cannot unspill the milk no matter what.

[–]ConfidenceMatters-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I broke up with her the night I found she trifled. She is now my plate earning her way back into a serious relationship with me.

So bit of advice dude, stop being the good guy, don't think of yourself as one any longer, don't align yourself with that "code" and no longer follow any of her rules. No more rational, no more considerate.

This has been my state of mind since day 1 with her. I am the lovable asshole. This isn't the issue at all.

All that laughter you describe is covering up for rage, and you know it.

No bruh. It was genuinely amusement and because I've learned to make everything a joke/drama/chick-crack like I picked up from my boy Julien.

There was zero stress, zero hard feelings because you can trust women to be women, no bootyhurt whatsoever.

This whole thing was just hilarious to me because as soon as that happens, this thread is created.

[–]lightfire4091 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bummer dude. Whats said in this thread is true. You can't make a gal into a unicorn, they just have to be one. A chick cannot change into a beautiful unicorn, and I believe thats the main point this post is making, its simply extending it to other facets of life.

[–]ConfidenceMatters0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I personally believe that, during these modern times, no gal is really "born" a unicorn either. I think social media and smartphones and TV and all this useless stimulus, as well as the shitstain that is feminism with its "you go grrl!" propaganda has tainted our american women. Probably forever. This situation, women lying behind your back is probably unavoidable... here's hoping this one proves me wrong though.

But to stress over such petty things is useless. Punish swiftly, reward slowly.

[–]roparker20140 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Do you postulate that this is due to some biological difference, or is it due to social conditioning?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hard to say. Probably both. But then again, I would argue culture is a biological process responding to environment anyway.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Please leave that article there. It's a necessary edge this sub needs and I'm glad you've maintained that edge.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like I woke up in an alternative universe where people on the red pill were trying to correct my tone... and then... the fuck is this shit?

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Because I said so. Do you have something to contribute?

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[–]1PaulRivers100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why is this stickied with a less than 70% approval rating in the RP community.

It's 64% now.

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[–]The_Hand_of_Sithis-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy

This is an extreme view. Men behave this way too. I have seen women change immediately or drastically in a short amount of time. This view is narrow minded and sexist. If you you only meet women like this, you might want to re-examine your dating pool and find, oh I dunno, decent human beings. Your view is like the women who believe that men are always 100% rapists. Sickening.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 18 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am sexist, I don't deny it. Go on.

Edit: Actually, I'm going to address part of this:

you you only meet women like this, you might want to re-examine your dating pool

Classic shame tactic, and classic misdirection and hypoagency. If women are acting this way.. it's still your fault, you're not doing something right.

Just take a minute to think about what you just said in relation to my post.

[–]redpillgod1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most people don't have any willpower to change.

[–]moosik850 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"Acknowledgement that one is in control of one's actions."

I believe this why so many women believe in astrology, star signs, mediums etc compared to men.

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"I'm trying" is the consolation prize. If they were changing they'd say "I'm changing".

They fail to understand that is no value in 'trying'. Yoda was right. "Do or do not. There is no try."

Change or do not. There is no trying to change.

[–]mjr12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The amount of comments attacking the tagline instead of the actual argument is TOO DAMN HIGH.

[–]1PaulRivers102 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

The premise of this thread is completely absurd. Women change far more than men. Watch a girl get into a relationship, wait for it to get "serious" and watch half her personality change. Suddenly - she likes sports! She likes geeky things! With her last boyfriend, who didn't like either, she hated them! And it's not just cover - she really emotionally gets pulled into them.

Want a man to change? Convince him that there's an amazing reward for changing. This is why so many men became beta - the became convinced that that's what would make women want to sleep with them. You always see more men than women pursuing the well paying fields. Men tend to be more motivated by a target, a goal, an outcome.

Want a woman to change? Convince her that all of her friends are doing it. Convince her that if she doesn't, she'll be left out. Are all her friends dressing conservatively? Why, it's disgusting that women would dress showing skin? Oh wait, are suddenly all her friends dressing like a slut? Why, it's disgusting that anyone would try to keep her from dressing like a slut!

Men tend to operate as a pack - you need to be able to coordinate, but what makes you valuable is that you bring something unique to the group. Women tend to operate as a herd - your ability to fit in and be like everyone else is the judge of whether you're excepted into the group.

When you try to convince her to do something with "here's a great goal!" you are trying to convince her in a way that motivates guys, but not girls. She has just not found nearly as much success as a guy by thinking that way.

This is a generalization, as such their are plenty of exceptions. And men are certainly capable of follow behavior, and women are capable of lead behavior. But watch for a while and you'll see as a strong and constantly repeating pattern. Women change far more than men - they just usually don't change in response to a goal. They change when everyone else in their group changes.

[–]1PaulRivers102 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Oh look, it's even in a side bar article that women change more than men.

Red Pill Antibiotic Nuke, Come and Feed

Women are irrational and inconsistent, they have a capacity for logic but it is not their modus operandi, that is to say that they must exert effort to be logical as it is not their factory setting. A logical woman is easily baited into becoming emotional; women are easy to compromise. Their decisions are based on their current emotional state rather than the abstraction of logic. It's this proclivity to change so quickly which causes them to act inconsistently and in contradiction.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes, their emotional state and decisions change regularly. That doesn't really say much.

[–]1PaulRivers100 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It does when your assertion is "Women are Incapable of Change". One fundamental game concept is that the more a woman likes you, the more she changes to meet your needs/expectations. I used to treat women like feminism told me I should - they shouldn't have to change, they can't change they are their own person and individual and bla bla bla. Things didn't go well. When I got fed up and decided I was going to get laid (like 15 years ago, before TRP or Game being mainstream) the more a girl changed, the more she liked me - first girl moved colleges when I did (though in retrospect I probably should have tried to talk her out of it for my sake). Second girl dropped her other dinner plans to go to dinner with me and that's where we started dating. 3rd girl that I was friends with benefits with for 2.5 years changed half her life to conform to my expectations (which frankly, were much better than her own that she was used to). The funnest girl I dated told me that it was "offensive to women to give a guy a blowjob because of power bla bla bla". I kissed her again. She changed her mind. I could go on, but a belief that women don't change is just shooting yourself in the ass when it comes to getting laid or dating. How much she changes for you is a barometer of how much she likes / is attracted to you.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Paul, I'll give you a second to see if you can comprehend the difference.

And really, take a breath and think about it for a second- what do these guys mean when they're talking?

If your gut feeling is to stick with the pedantry and try to apply the worst literal interpretation instead of attempting to understand what's happening here, then maybe the red pill isn't for you.

You seem in this to win, but this isn't a contest or a fight. /r/purplepilldebate is that way.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Want a woman to change? Convince her- that all of her friends are doing it.

They can't change ON THEY OWN. They need someone (you) to guide them. If you do that:

Suddenly - she likes sports! She likes geeky things!

Would she get into sports or geeky things, ON HER OWN? Fuck no. As someone mentioned in this thread that his GF's hobby was shopping. That a great and fulfilling activity, and she was able to figure it by her own! WOW

[–]1PaulRivers100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cool, I think what you're saying is exactly what I'm saying.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That was an excellent contribution, thank you.

Still can't shake the feeling that your abrupt judgement on the OP (completely absurd, you said) was missing the point by a broad margin. It's not that women don't or cannot change, it's that they have no agency to self-change, the way men routinely do it and therefore will often expect women to. The point is that men shouldn't expect this.

It's the difference between a woman who's always the same no matter what's happening around her or who she's with (completely absurd), and a woman who keeps saying "but I'm tryinnnnngg" and hamstering 10 new excuses a week why her trying has failed to accomplish the expected results - this woman we picture with OP is not absurd in the least, she's typical.

Put another way, the observation as I understood it, is that women are far less capable of deciding to change and actually changing, compared to men. And they are more than men capable of changing dramatically to adapt to changing circumstances around them, unimpeded by those difficult issues of loyalty and honour that often catastrophically bog men down in this area.

[–]2Overkillengine-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can see the point they are trying to make; they just went about making it in an asinine way by speaking in imprecise absolutes. Of course, pointing this out will likely get hamstered as concern trolling when in actuality it is just pointing out ineffective tool use. (clarification: I can observe something to be asinine without being offended by it, so no, one does not get the easy out rationalization there either.)

Language is a tool. If you speak in a way that fails to adequately relay information to all but a few, then arguably one used it poorly unless your goal was to make them stop listening.

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My problem with your post is that all your statements depend on your own observations, which you extrapolated to the whole female gender. Now, I understand the value of generalizations, but the reason other members, myself included, disagree with your post, is that our own observations and experiences indicate that both genders are vulnerable to the inertia and hamstering you are talking about. Maybe you, as a self driven individual, have a hard time relating to men that seem unable to accept responsability for their own fates, but I don't have to tell you that they exist, and I suspect that they're not a minority.

You could argue that it is a feminine quality and that the men that exhibit it are mostly betas, but that's another topic altogether.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You either understand generalizations and hyperbole, or you don't.

[–]snr73-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have you ever met a male substance abuser? This is not an exclusively female behavior.

[–]forgeror0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Like another thread here pointed out, everyone (men and women) become hardened and more resilient with experience. In essence, everyone becomes more masculine with experience.

As women gain experience they learn things like honor, loyalty, honesty and the ability to change. It's not ingrained in their nature. But they learn as they go along in life.

[–]let_terror_reign0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Fucking A, Bro. I completely agree. I'm in an LTR. Here's the thing - not only are they incapable of change, they oppose it in all its forms. I used to suffer from anxiety. Four months ago. I had hour long anxiety attacks. Now I'm actively manipulating the same people who I was once afraid of. I am proud of that. I've come a long way. I struggled so hard to get these skills. And what do I get from her? You're different. I don't feel comfortable around you. She does the same things and expect different results and complains. Also says I'm pathetic and wannabe and fake. Worst part, she really believes all these things. I'm sorry sweetie, I like myself enough to recognize when I deserve better and do something about it. Stop hating on me for trying to be something else at least I'm doing something so we can have a better life. So I can have a better life..

[–]TheSKSpecial5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

And what do I get from her? You're different. I don't feel comfortable around you. She does the same things and expect different results and complains. Also says I'm pathetic and wannabe and fake. Worst part, she really believes all these things.

And you're still in a relationship with her?

You need to get the fuck out of there, immediately. You don't need to be around anybody who sees fit to disrespect you like that.

[–]let_terror_reign0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The reason I'm with her still is that I've taken the pill a year and a half into the relationship. As Rollo predicts, there is resistance. Seems like she's seeing too much change too fast. I have to slow it down, stop telling her things, etc.

[–]TheSKSpecial0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If she's calling you "pathetic, wannabe, fake", that's not just "resistance". That's flat out insulting. Her coming at you like that when you haven't been together that long are big red flags that this isn't the type of woman you want to build a relationship with.

Feel free to try to salvage the relationship if you want, but I'd highly recommend moving on to greener pastures.

[–]let_terror_reign1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm willing to try, If nothing else. Different culture, conservative girl, but she's coming to the states next year. Biggest test ever. I'm already on my guard lol. Has unicorn like qualities. Potential wife material the way I see it. Bitchiness I'm willing to allow for owing to work stress and lack of ANY companionship. Disrespect, not so much.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

/u/Theskspecial isn't wrong, but it's not bad to keep trying since you started out late. Just make sure you're gaining ground- not losing it.

The sad fact is, it's close to impossible to get back respect once it's lost. Which is why the advice here is usually to Next. Make sure you recognize when it's time to cut your losses.

[–]PowerTotem-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I am as RP as they come. This post is nonsense and shouldn’t be stickied.

Change is hard for everyone, men and women. Lots of people try and fail to change, including men. Many people need an external stimulus, environment change, or support to help them make a change. Even then, it’s hard to make that change stick.

Most of the RP content here is great quality. This post is sexist drivel and I’m astonished it’s stickied.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post is sexist drivel and I’m astonished it’s stickied.

Are you new here?

[–]EducatedCavemen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am as RP as they come.

The fuck does that mean? lol

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

So just act upon your plate/SO/LTR/fuck buddy/etc to get her to do stuff. "go away if you're not going to change"

[–]lespauldude-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Many women are capable of change. Many men are not capable of change. I think your intended title should be "More women than men are incapable of change". My pet peeve is extraordinary claims without qualifiers. From what I realized in life, it's usually futile to expect others to change, guy or girl. The only true change has to come from you.

[–]8108091 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Validity of expecting people to change != ability to change. You're mixing your contexts and definitions. The thread is not about expecting women to change, it is about their ability to change regardless if they're being asked for it or their circumstances change.

[–]GameboyPATH-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I'm working on it." "I'm trying..." "I can't change overnight!"

It should come as no surprise, and our experienced members can likely relate- these phrases are rarely, if ever accompanied by actual change.

But the very fact that the phrase "trying" is in her vocabulary means she has already admitted she does not have the faculties of mind present to understand what a change would entail.

Why can't these also apply to men? It seems like we're just supposed to assume your premise to be true when you make the generalization that:

There is no "try" in men's vernacular.

What does this post contribute, redpillschool? I don't see what this post explains that hasn't been explained in any other post here.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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