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[–]youcantdenythat 53 points54 points55 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We can't give you the right answer. You will have to decide at some point. I suggest you don't decide right now, give it a little time first.
For now I suggest hitting the gym hard with all the emotions you must be going through. At least your muscles will benefit from it and it might help you get some frustration out.
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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even if you eventually have to leave her, it won't be your fault or hers. If you got raped by a man in prison, would she still look at you the same? If you got beaten up in front of her, would she still look at you the same?
Go with your feelings - if you really think she would be with you and support you instead of feeling disgust, then she's a keeper.
Also, keep an eye out for erratic behavior. There was a thread on /r/relationships a couple of months ago where a girl was raped and then the counselor and her family both conspired to keep her away from her boyfriend, and she was also complicit - this went on for a year. They also hid the fact that she began an affair with a guy who didn't know she was raped, and wasn't willing to end it.
Since it was that sub and not this, he stuck with her. Who knows what state their relationship is in at this point, but don't be that guy.
[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Rape is a pretty hanus experience. You don't really get better from it. The very, very best women out there can learn to live with it. The traumatic experience just becomes a thing that happened to them in the past, and they move on. It's still there and haunts them, but doesn't destroy their future.
The worst of women just can't cope with the realization that they're actually powerless in the real world, and that all of the safety, power, comfort -- everything -- is just a house of cards society has constructed, and any minute, someone could say fuck that and do whatever he wants to her. Even if a guy like that gets caught later, she still gets raped. And there are more of him out there.
Accept that it's unlikely your relationship will survive this, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be there for her if you want to. Also, however, recognize that you aren't obligated to try to fix this or be there or deal with her baggage and her recovery either. You're still you. This doesn't permanently tie you to her if you don't want to be.
[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And then there's the women who latch on to the victim label/mentality because they derive immense status and special treatment from it. Karen Straughan had the best outlook I've heard on the subject when she talked about her own assault some years back, which pretty much echoed what you were saying about accepting that it happened and moving on with her life, not allowing that moment to define her. Everyone has had bad shit happen to them, and latching on to it and wallowing it in is unhealthy to say the least. But women are encouraged to do this these days by the left, so it just fucks women up even more.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My wife had this experience. Due to her incident, she was encouraged to attend a support group. She made it to three meetings before she had to stop, because the women there all fed off of being victims. And she couldn't believe that these women were trying to one-up each other on how bad their personal stories were. She couldn't do it.
[–]nrjk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
these women were trying to one-up each other on how bad their personal stories were.
Hahaha, this is the opposite of what men do when we one-up each other. Instead of victimhood one-upping, we brag about how awesone we are and how cool our possesions are.
I'm happy to be a man. I really don't like telling people I have a cold.
[–]long-lostfriend 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Where were her friends when this went down?
[–]notmyusualreddit 29 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I've always told myself that if a girlfriend of mine goes out when deep down I know it's a bad idea, and I have expressed its a bad idea, then I will not stick around afterwards.
When you are with someone there is more at stake than just 'trust' and not cheating on each other. There's the part about not ruining the others persons investment in the relationship.
It would be like a man and woman that decide the dude should give up cliff base jumping if they're going to have a kid. If he then goes and jumps off a cliff, or even something slightly safer that all his friends are doing and its the safest cliff around, the woman would easily have grounds to feel 'cheated' out of the shared commitment they made.
Nothing good happens after midnight is a common saying. It's sad it happened to a good person, but they were doing risky things and got unlucky. I personally wouldn't stay with someone that goes out without me for exactly this reason, and ESPECIALLY not if they did it AND got damaged by it.
[–]FunkyMonkeyAssassin2 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm going with this. Every action has a consequence. You can't blame someone else for your own ignorance when analysing a sitaution.
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[–]Wel108 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Former LEO here. Be there for her, but make sure you take of you first. You can't take care of her and be an emotional wreck. You're priority number 1 here. As others have mentioned, stay objective and be open to new information. Try to realize she didn't enjoy this, she didn't give herself to someone else, so drop every insecurity you might be feeling right now and realize this is a tragedy, and I think you will regret it whole heartedly if you handled yourself poorly in this trying time.
[+][deleted] -14 points-13 points-12 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
You're complicating things mate. What OP should do depends entirely on what his girlfriend is like.
If she is feminist: See this from the equality perspective. Forced natural intercourse. OP walking through the back alley, naked girl pulls him into the bushes nearby and rides him without his will. Can't be too bad. Do nothing because it really is nothing.
If not: Comfort her at least during the initial stages. Spend time with her and be there for her. Be the rock people talk about so often in this sub.
[–]Redditinga 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What the fuck did I just read
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
some fucking genuis that we, humans, are yet too unevolved to comprehend
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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the healthiest advice here.
[–]plenkton 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women seem to be better than men at healing from certain types of wounds.
Women never recover from this, ti will always haunt her.
Men recover to the extent that they understand their emotions. Women, they lack this ability.
[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You don't do anything. Keep your distance and let her come to you when she's ready. Just be aware that
she may never do that and could adopt the victim mentality and be perpetually broken and
she may not want anything sexually with you for a long time and
when she finally does she may very well cheat as women who have been raped are known to do as way of taking back their sexuality (it's stunning that people don't know this is a common thing with rape victims)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Keep your distance and let her come to you when she's ready
I don't think that's a great idea, she could interpret that as him rejecting her even if he's not. He should at the very least make clear he's available.
[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I figured that was a given, but yes he should make it known he's there for her when she's ready, blah blah blah.
[–]skinny_fat_monster 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry, OP. Everything else that was said here is relevant, however:
Until it's been 6+ months and she's been tested repeatedly, had a pap smear (for HPV), and so on, you really shouldn't have physical contact with her.
Others may downvote me and so on but I wouldn't even kiss her. She didn't listen to you, now she might have herpes, HPV, a whole host of other diseases. You can support her as a friend emotionally but make sure you keep your dick and your lips under lock and key in the meantime.
Sorry to be so cold. Getting a disease is not fun. If you've read from other people here what happens, modern chlymadia (spelling, I know) can result in permanent pain and physical injury for you.
So, emotional support but cut physical-ness. She's going to be a wreck for quite some time after this anyway.
[–]jb_trp 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It sounds like she's gone to the police. That's good. Has she gone to the hospital as well to gather evidence? That's very important.
Eventually she should get screened for STDs. Also, she should be encouraged to get counseling when she's ready.
Now I resent her that she didn't listen to me.
You can't resent her for that, man. I know we always want to feel in control of our lives ("If only..."), but you can't live life like that. She could have stayed home, had someone break into her house and do the same thing. Rape is rare, but it happens and it's really horrible.
I feel for you man. There is no easy answer. Find some guys who are older and wiser and get advice from them.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's hard to explain exactly, but one thing that helped me when I found out about something similar many years ago was to visualize the body as a clinical, physical object, divorced from the mind. You have hands, lungs, kidneys, and genitals. You are a brain. Something physical happened to her, like if she got her hand slammed in a car door. Our bodies are just piles of carbon arranged in orders that communicate information to our brains. The genitals are just another such pile of carbon. They can mean a lot more, of course, when you want them to, but for the time being it will most likely benefit you to look at them the way a doctor looks at an x-ray.
I know other guys in this thread are religiously adhering to not breaking frame and shit, but fuck them. You're allowed to be honest with yourself about how you feel. There's nothing unmasculine about being upset when something like this happens.
[–]RedBigMan 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And yes it wasn't the kind of bullshit rape, it was real trust me on that. So no doubt that she cheated or so on.
I am willing to believe you but do not put it out of the realm of possibility either. Women lie all the time.
Now I resent her that she didn't listen to me. That I wasn't there. I don't know how to live with that. I know it isn't my fault but feelings aren't rational.
Your feelings are entirely rational. In a relationship with a woman you are the captain and she is the first mate. When the captain says to set tail for Isle de Muerte the first mate doesn't steer the ship to Tortuga, they steer it to Isle de Muerte. What your girlfriend did was basically steer your ship to Tortuga after you told her to goto Isle de Muerte. So your failure was a failure as a man and every time you see her you see your failure as a man.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP said she ended up in hospital with wounds and stuff. That doesn't sound like regret rape at all, and if she cheated she could hide it without needing to use that kind of tactics.
[–]PabloEscoba 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You played your role as protector and your warnings were not heeded. Dump her.
Yet she made him feel guilty. It's a very sticky situation. OP must understand that he played his part, and it's not his fault.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She'll probably be messed up emotionally for about a year or two or longer. I guess you gotta figure out how much you like this girl and whether or not you want to put up with the bs that's about to ensue for the next year or so.
Were police contacted? Did she have a rape kit done on her? Why not?
[–]plenkton 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Male and female, we both desire safety. While males may trade safety for reproductive success, females have no such desire. It's why male animals will fight violently, but females will only shove and ostracise.
Your gf had the mentality of being protected (having you are her bf), so she acted as such...even though you were not there (males usually protect their mates, especially from sexual behavior with others, including rape).
So now your gf distrusts you (even though you never let her down). Females make most decisions on mates through feelings, so no amount of talk will sway her mind (much).
Now, keeping her depends on her attraction to you. Females are attracted to resources and safety. Unless you can actually keep her safe (telling her what and what not to do, without seeming clingy), it's unlikely she will trust her safety to you.
As for resources, you are in college, and there are plenty of wealthy students attending any college.
This is a situation where you could not realistically prevent it, but you will suffer the consequences, which are based on your gf's emotions, and the fact that males usually protected their mates.
Your best bet is to lift and improve yourself, and show NO DOUBT in your abilities. Scenarios: best: She initially goes cold, but eventually acts according to your actual smv (and stays with you). medium: She rides 100 dicks per semester, searching for that safety and resources. worst: You hold yourself back, trying to fix her.
[–]1Shyrk 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Jesus a lot of the advice in this thread is reprehensible.
Listen, TRP at large is about being a man. It sounds like she is a good girl and you really care for her.
So BE A MAN. Be there to support her. It's going to be hard and truth be told your relationship may not survive the psychological damage she has incurred by this horrifying, traumatic experience, but if you are an honorable hardworking person who believes in their own judgement you should give this woman a chance and be there while your partner needs you.
The most TRP woman-truth to this situation is that she will be VERY in her own head for a long time here and this will be difficult to deal with. Make sure to take care of yourself here, too. But do not lose sight of the fact that this is a PERSON we are talking about here.
It will be demanding and difficult, but if she's your girlfriend you'll give it a go.
[–]FRedington 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–]1Shyrk 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No. Just a thirty year old man who dates women I actually respect.
That awkward moment when your arguments are so bad you have to dig into the post history of the user in order to dig something out.
Please abstain from ad hominems, and make a point. And stop misusing the word troll, i hate people like you that ruined the meaning. Do you see flamebait? Do you see inflamatory butthurt-inducing phrases? No, then not a troll, moron, even if it made you butthurt.
[–]huge_gap 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I normally don't advocate therapy but I think your girlfriend definitely should start seeing a therapist to have an outlet for discussing what happened to her with someone whom is not you or part of her family.
Next, the feeling that it's not your girlfriend anymore is simply your understanding and idea of who she was before the rape. It's your idea of her that has died, and not actually her as an individual.
Understand that the severity of the situation will cause you to feel like f****** s. Accept that you will feel like s and try to just ride out the emotions, accept that they're there, and eventually you will come to terms with it. There are times in life where you feel hopeless and that things will never change. Thankfully, things do change and improve.
Honestly, you will have to grow to accept your girlfriend and what happened to her or you both will not work. I think it is common for relationships to explode after such a serious event. Either party cannot come to terms with what happened and so they have to abort. Now that you know this you can make an informed decision on whether you will choose to stay with this woman, pick up the pieces, and work through it together. Otherwise, the high likelihood is that you will at some point break up with her. Now the real question is whether or not you are going to stay with her out of guilt or if you genuinely care enough about this woman to carry the pain and work towards health.
Good luck. Whatever you do, don't just stick around out of guilt. Otherwise you will slowly go toxic and it will end anyway: even worse then had you cut things off equitably.
[–]mksu 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If she was good to you and you want to help her out in this difficult moment, nothing wrong with that. Later if you want to leave her then do it, you have no obligation to stay with her.
[–]jackrabbit02 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Are you guys fucking kidding me. The advice in here is to disengage, go to the gym, get her to get an std test?! How is any of this at the top of your minds. Your girlfriend got raped. Be a fucking man and be there for her. You don't have a clue how traumatized she is. Be. There. For. Her.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Hey noob, sidebar.
[–]jackrabbit02 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I understand the point to this sub. I fully support taking control of yourself, your life, and your sex-life, but this thread about someone else being raped and making it about you seems deplorable.
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[–]jackrabbit02 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nope. Not a troll. How jaded can you be that this is the only way you see fit to look at it
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
this moron actually thinks ALL rape is regret rape now. Real rape suddenly doens't occur anymore because he read the sidebar.
[–]jackrabbit02 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Apparently not.
I'm not in the charity business. Neither should any rational guy.
[–]anotherswingingdick 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this thread about someone else being raped
no, it's not.
It's a thread reporting a claim of rape.
[–]ItsTheHomeWrecker 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Andorli 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Break up with her.
[–]FrameWalker 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
but do not leave her.
You don't have to be the hero. The baggage from a traumatic event can ruin more than one life. We are hard wired to protect but it doesn't mean we always should. The argument can be made either way
[–]dmt267 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
At the very least do not leave her right away though
[–]RedSovereign[M] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Violation of Rule Zero.
[–]darkvinc 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly the infinately small percentage of "random stranger rapes " is so small that its pretty much like she won the reverse lottery, i'd be very carefull just on the percentages alone ...
[–]Algernoq 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The game hasn't changed. It's terrible being on the losing side of reality. Like any loss, all one can do is say, "good fucking game, asshole", and get back to enjoying the good life.
One way to sum up the overall philosophy of TRP is: "society doesn't work, life is unfair, and people are too greedy and stupid to fix it, so do what makes you happy and gets you laid." Still, no obvious answers.
In the short term, I'd recommend hiring professionals: find a lawyer with experience working with the police on rape prosecution to get a better idea what the options are and to work with the police better than you could, and also hire a publicist to manage publicity about this (and potentially also nudge the police to prioritize this). It sounds like you already have medical and mental health advice available (but if you go for mental health advice probably 4 out of 5 therapists will be a bad fit or have "blue pill" advice that's not so good for men, so shop around).
In the long term, it's probably best to move on mentally, however you can do that.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure several of my ex-girlfriends were raped years before they met me. It wasn't obvious but as I got to know them it became clear from their anxiety issues, stories that sounded like they had been raped but were trickle-truthing it, and/or mentions of stuff they talked about in therapy, plus the fact they went for my nonassertive blue-pill self. Actually, that's why I found TRP...I needed to understand why these women lied and went on with their lives instead of going to war...I didn't find an answer until TRP explained that women typically don't go to war like men do.
So...take care of what needs doing in the short term, then don't think about it anymore. Wish I had a better answer.
[–]1HS-Thompson 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Every woman I know who gets raped becomes highly promiscuous and gets into BDSM. Although maybe that says more about the girls I tend to know.
[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a power thing. Rape takes away one of a woman's greatest sources of social power: the power to decide who gets to fuck her.
Many women can't deal with the realization that they're actually powerless, and it's not their free choice that gives them that sexual liberty, but men's willingness to play along. And any minute, any man might say fuck that. That men have had power over her this whole time and still do.
So they go cock crazy and fuck a bunch of randoms, trying to prove to themselves and the universe that sex is their choice. That they can reclaim their sexuality. Their power. It never works. It just destroys them.
[–]clawjelly 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow, thanks, i never thought about that this way. This explains quite some women i know were raped.
[–]machimus 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point, this is frequently true. Rape survivors often develop behaviors that seek to validate themselves sexually, trying to recover some of the self-worth they perceive themselves losing in the rape.
Doesn't mean she'll cheat on him, but it is something to look out for, and hopefully something her therapist will cover.
[–]ledditor_1337 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hard next
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[–]suburbscout 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
that's fucked dude
[–]ledditor_1337 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rather be fucked than cucked.
[–]MeatCurtainRod 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In this day and age, because of the overwhelming percentage of false rape claims brought on by women, crying rape has become so mainstream that it is commonplace to simply do it for any number of reasons such as needing an alibi, or wanting revenge.
Because of all these feminists trying to perpetuate rape culture in the western world, which of course clearly doesn't exist, feminists are directly taking away from REAL rape victims. Because of this, she is gonna have to stand in the BACK of the line with the rest of the posers who cry rape merely for the attention. She is gonna have to put up with all the doubt brought on as a result of feminist actions. It is a sad thing to see, and a hard hill to climb.
Lets just say I was in your position once, before all this feminist rape culture bullshit became pop culture. I can't imaging trying to fight now that the system is so fucked up due to feminist narrative.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Plate or hard next. It's not your fault. She won't be the same again.
Life is Darwinian. Find another bitch
[–]itsbooming -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Was she beaten in the rape?
[–]f187 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some of this advice is utter bullshit and makes me wonder if most of the people giving insensitive and brutal advice are actually mature individuals or just frustrated eighteen year olds from third world countries who haven't fucked a single girl in their lives.
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You dumb her. Some other guy just dipped his dick in her, probably came in there too..... You want to fuck that? Jesus christ man, have some decency. Goes partying(while in an LTR) at late night hours in an unsave neighbourhood...... Fuck that.
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[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I regret that I have but one downvote to give this post.
I regret that I have only one upvote for you!
Jesus... Are you 12? This guy's girlfriend was raped, like physically taken against her will, and he has to navigate all of the emotions associated and find a course of action... and you're in here crying about your 5" peepee. Get a fucking grip. You literally compared the emotional trauma and made it sound like you actually think it's worse to have an average dick than it is to be raped...
You must be fucking retarded. That's pure solipsism.
... I hope you find your way out of TRP. It's posts like this that make us look even more extreme and retarded to outsiders.
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[+]Fly_Swim -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
your wrong, he doesnt need to be much higher smv
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[–]huge_gap -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
First off, it's raped not rapped. Glass house throwing stones.
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"Women don't literally have rape fantasies, you moron. They fantasize being used by a man of a much higher SMV than them. Do you think women fantasize about being rapped by a 5'1 fat ugly neckbeard? Get a grip, seriously. I know that this is /trp/, but still."
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Trolled.
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