The red pill has torn apart my world view.

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December 14, 2013

came to this sub 2 days ago, via the askreddit thread.

As seen in my post history I was unsure about this place, but was truly impressed by The Red Pill responses, im a just a few short comments, I felt a ripple in my mind. It scared me.

I came back and started the recommended reading. My whole world, why I am who I am, why I am sad and most importantly why I am so confused has just been explained to me.

I've been a beta, whiteknight, pro-feminist, LJBF, orbiter, door mat what fuck ever my entire life.

As we speak I've been chatting with 4's and 5's on POF because they're the best I can get.

I orbited a hot norwegian model for an entire uni semester before meeting her fat neckbeard boyfriend. "Well she told me I was a nice guy and lent me that book that one time". I almost did her assignment for her because I should be a nice guy.

I dated a slut (35 previous bf's, slept with her ex after our 2nd date, only 19) who wasn't even that hot. She rarely put out and broke up with me, I cried like a little bitch.

Literally minutes before reading more TRP stuff I posted on LBGW because "women saying I'm hot on the internet means I'm alpha right? Doesn't matter I don't actually get laid" I just learnt this is feel good bullshit.

My friends don't want to hang out with me, women want nothing to do with me and I'm miserable. However I've been desperately looking for answers, all of it seemed superficial and rubbish until now.

I audibly gasped several times while reading "confessions of a invacel". Every sentence clicked, unwrapping the mysteries of all my interpersonal relationships and how I understood them.

I'm a hard worker, I just came dux of the year, I work out 3 hours a day 5 days a week, I'm 6'4", good looking and have 3 months of holidays infront of me.

I can't wait to dive into all this knowledge and push myself as hard as I can to employ it. Hey it might all be bullshit, but it seems so promising I have to try.

I understand everyone of you have had this red pill moment, but I had to say this. This has probably been the most impactfull thing I've ever seen on reddit, or the internet. I think I needed this, desperately.

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Title The red pill has torn apart my world view.
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Date 14 December 2013 12:41 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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[–]mach1132 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'd suggest to all people just realizing TRP to NOT focus on pickup. Focus instead on understand the dynamic of the relationships you have and finding small ways to shape them. Focus on the internal; the posture and body language, the tone of voice and the words you use, even the clothes you wear. Find the people who take most advantage of "beta" you and start taking small measures to reform those relationships. You WILL get blowback if you (even could) suddenly flip the switch from sniveling beta to full alpha. People who know you and are used to you being a certain way will check at every opportunity that this new exterior is congruent with your interior, so I recommend you start with a focus on the interior.

[–]1wakethfkupneo48 points49 points  (8 children) | Copy

came to this sub 2 days ago, via the askreddit thread.

My heart melts every time I see this. Those feminazis & manginas inc. are wasting so much time and energy bashing on us ... Result? Tons of freshly unplugged subscribers.

@OP: Take your time, read, try a little, then read more. It takes time to digest all the material and ultimately accept the new reality. Read this:

The 5 Stages of Unplugging

... and it'll be a bit easier realizing that what's happening to you is normal, Red Pill is bitter and you'll go through various phases till it finally settles down. We've all been there and about 99% of people here are coming from the blue pill background.

Good news are that now that you've took a peek at <Morpheus' voice> "how deep the rabbit hole is" you will never go back. What has been seen cannot be unseentm .

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Can you imagine if some sort of mainstream news channel would mention us for 5 minutes? This subreddit would explode.

[–]Crackertron10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

20/20 was going to run a segment on the manosphere but pulled it after the reporter went to rehab.

[–]fiat_lux_5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

20/20 was going to run a segment on the manosphere but pulled it after the reporter went to rehab.

Is this for real? Almost sounds like a joke.

[–]Crackertron5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe it was Rollo who talked about it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Should get that going again once rehab is over. Revised.

[–]_Reticent_2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

When TRP was young I believe /u/redpillschool did a bit on BBC radio. Being from the UK and a new member at the time, involved in discussions, I was looking forward to it.

Unfortunately they edited it a great deal and gave it a biased slant towards the woman in the interview. I forget what she was saying originally, it may have been education/workplace related gender equality or something like that.

Just to clarify it was RPS talking to the radio presenter, who was also talking to a woman - RPS and the woman didn't talk directly to each other. I suspected it had been edited and gutted when he said that it had.

[–]Modredpillschool3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's basically it. The meat of what I said was scraped out entirely.

[–]malesextoyquestion16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel your (former) pain, man. It all seems so clear when you read the content in red pill spaces and you wonder how the fuck you missed it in the first place.

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (19 children) | Copy

I have a date tomorrow but don't know enough RP stuff to apply it, but reading this stuff has given me heaps of confidence and hope.

Someone suggested I read all the theory over a week or two and just read it.

Then re-read it slowly while going out and applying it.

[–]Veqq4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The best thing to do is to read through it (or anything, any other subject to) and copy paste the parts that seem like gold, actually changing your views... And then summarize them, express them as pithily as possible, in some document so that you have everything good in 2-3 pages, can read through it in 10 mins to keep it in your mind and actually apply it.

[–]FuriousMouse4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just remember: "Every girl is there for you to test"

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good advice, My plan is literally to "no mind" which basically means don't think or analyze about your situation while it's happening, just do it.

That being said all these pieces of advise have a noticeable affect on the sub-concious. I mean, just the fact I know why I'm a beta has given me a boost if confidence.

It's no longer "what is wrong with me? Maybe ill never get better" and now it's "You're beta, learn to not be beta"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here's an easy way to apply it.

You usually pay for the date because you're a nice guy?

Go dutch tonight, see if the world ends. I'll put money it won't.

[–]Peoria30 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Even as I type this I know its kind of lame but in my mind the analogous process is valid: this is like learning a kata when you're a child in karate class -- you get a few steps down cold at a time. Before long it all flows seamlessly together. Good luck and good for you.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (10 children) | Copy

I have a date tomorrow but don't know enough RP stuff to apply it

Sit next to her not across from her, make excuses to touch her.

[–]DickTheLionheart6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

I disagree. There's being assertive and then there's being creepy and desperate. It's obvious you're still digesting TRP, so don't overtly try too hard to be so forward because it will be obvious you are out of your comfort zone.

Just go out and have fun with her. Don't expect anything. Be nice, but don't suck up to her. Make her show interest in you, not the other way around. If she starts showing interest, return it (flirt). Start small. Escalate. If she pulls away don't show frustration, anger, or disappointment. Just keep going. Don't let her rock your boat.

At the end of the night if she hasn't shown much interest or has rebuffed your attempts to flirt/advance, don't show any emotion about it. Don't unnecessarily try to escalate, hug her and go along your merry way. If she enjoyed herself, you'll get a second date. If she didn't, oh well, onto the next.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (8 children) | Copy

I'm still digesting! Are you fucking kidding?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

I think the guy above me has better advice for my current situation. Sitting next to her and finding excuses to touch her kind of made me anxious, which means I'd already fuck it up.

Jusy going, getting a light buzz and knowing all that "be the nice guy" stuff is BS will help.

[–]DickTheLionheart1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah. Just relax, dude. You're not there to impress her or anybody. That's the key. Be funny, be charming, make her laugh, all that good stuff, but don't go in there with a ton of pressure on yourself to "execute XYZ routine" or whatever. Tease her and have a good time. Flirt and escalate where appropriate.

You can still "be nice," you don't have to be an ass. Just don't put her on a pedestal and act like you have to impress her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks dude, again, I've never heard such great, direct advice that makes sense!

[–]Ragna_The_Blood_Edge4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"not there to impress her"

keep that in mind.

people with beta mindsets need validation from people. "Oh i want her to like me blah blah blah, so I'll kiss up to her, buy her shit on the first date, pay for her dinner etc..."

You don't need her validation. Once you think you do then she'll be in control of the situation.

[–]The_Turbinator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also subscribe to /r/seduction reddit's PUA community. There is a goldmine of content there.

[–]The_Turbinator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read up on Kino, and Touch Escalation Ladders.

Here is a very basic, quick-read, overview of what it's all about:

[–]DickTheLionheart2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I meant the OP is still digesting, not you.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, ok then no probs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Personally, after I found TRP I lost the motivation to talk to women. I still do, but I don't find the need anymore.

[–]sadshark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Go NoFap, your motivation will come.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I recommend The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi. It's a paperback summary of The rational male blog. You can get all the articles free, but If you want a good in depth summary that covers most red pill bases I would go order and read that first.

Then google Chateau Heartiste and read all his old stuff (it's in the sidebar as well)

[–]TheGuelfOfNewMexico7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy

My friends don't want to hang out with me, women want nothing to do with me and I'm miserable.

People don't like you because you're unlikeable. Being stacked and jacked isn't worth shit if you're a boring, miserable, sad-sack, pain in the ass to be around.

You sound like you have the personality of a damp sponge. I mean

I work out 3 hours a day 5 days a week

tittyfuckingchrist, when do you have time to actually grow a personality? Pecs are not a suitable replacement for charisma.

Just the fact that you're here saying that

im a just a few short comments, I felt a ripple in my mind

means that you're a hopeless beta fucker, easily swayed, with no firm personal opinions whatsoever. If "a few short comments" on the internet recycling a 14 year old movie restructured your world view, then I've got a book to sell you, 'cus you're a sucker waiting to get bled. That's why no one likes you. You're a wishy washy follower looking for someone else to feed him all the answers to "life's great riddle."

Shit, I could probably sell you the same book twice.

There is no spoon, motherfucker.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

Yea I went through a stage where I wanted to kill myself, because life was hard I didn't know what to do. Just before I died I had to test the waters though and see if there was something.

Moved out of home, said yes to literally anything anyone suggested to me, 18 months later I'm living in a martial arts dojo, getting black belt next year, put on 30lbs of muscle, and came top of my class.

I cam top of my class of a starting 160 people, and it was fucking easy compared to living in a traditional martial arts dojo.

I was willing to try with my social life too. This was the advice I was given.

  • Be a nice guy
  • be modest
  • always respect what a women wants
  • always be unconditionally chivalrous
  • just be yourself
  • just be confident teehee

I have unwittingly supressed RP stratergies because they where "wrong".

So basically, fuck you dude, I believe in myself and I'm goingto achieve my goals or die trying.

[–]Sydneeyy3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

So multiple times now, you write about being "top of the class" and "30 lbs of muscle" etc. And in the opening post you write about being "good looking".

Nobody asked you about that. The fact that you keep trying to show your high value unasked just shows that you're really insecure.

If you act like that all the time, then i may have found the answer to the question why nobody wants to hang out with you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes I am insecure. I've known that for a very long time now. I'm working on it, but sometimes I get lost.

[–]TheGuelfOfNewMexico6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fucking follower, damp sponge motherfucker.

Beta as fuck around here.

Someone forgot to tell you to grow a personality. They actually gave you some solid advice (that's some samurai shit right there) you just fucked it up because you're boring.

The wrong advice you were given was this one:

just be yourself

Don't be yourself, because who you are isn't very interesting. Be a more interesting version of yourself. Have more than one hobby.

Look at your posting history.

Depression, TheRedPill, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, Depression, 3D Printing, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid, OkCupid.

Notice a fucking trend?

Here's a tip, Man to boy, fix the fucking depression first, then worry about the dating. Actually, fix the depression, then fix the boring, then worry about dating. Dating won't fix the depression. Dating won't fix the lack of personality. Dating won't make you interesting or desirable, no matter how much you want it to.

If you fix the depression (which everyone and their dog knows about because depressed people give off motherfucking "I'm so sad" pheremones and body language #motherfuckingBioTruths) and fix the boring you won't even need to fix the dating.

Just a sec, let's talk about those BioTruths. Look at your LBGW pics. You look fucking miserable. Sick abs, true, but you look sad as fuck. You think people don't see that shit?

So knock off the OkCupid and RedPill and Confession and all the other "why isn't everyone lining up to ride my dick!?" navel gazing self pity bullshit. It's not going to work until you fix the fact that you are not an interesting or enjoyable person to be around.

Get a motherfucking therapist.

You got three months vacation? Go to Adelaide. It's fucking beautiful in December. Stay at the central YHA, cheap as fuck and super clean. Meet new people, and don't try to fuck any of them. Sit in the common area and talk with people about what they want to talk about. Bike down by the river and see all the old churches. It's fucking majestic. Have an actual life experience.

And get a motherfucking therapist.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know you're right, and it hurts to hear but I guess that's the point.

[–]Ragna_The_Blood_Edge0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

mah nigga /u/TheGuelfOfNewMexico is right.

find new hobbies, come up with new goals, worry of self improvement.

Girls/relationships should be on the bottom of your priorities.

[–]TheEyeUrnShaft0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm goingto achieve my goals or die trying.

You fucking better

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good for you. You know what they say: Acceptance is the first step to improvement. You've accepted that your life isn't quite the way you like, and you've been given the tools to change that, good luck.

[–]bgny3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Welcome brother, glad you made it. TRP is a safe place for men to talk, discuss, bond, and enjoy our manliness in all it's glory, good and bad, warts and all. It's become somewhat of a support group for blue pill survivors, the broken-hearted, the divorce raped, and every intelligent, open-minded, introspective man in between.

It is painful, and the pill is hard to swallow. Congratulations on being man enough to take it. You are now on the road to a happier more fulfilling life.

[–]FuriousMouse2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yep, been there "Hey this doesn't make sense, I do all the things girls say they want and yet I get no hot steamy love from them."

Something is not right ..

[–]invisiblephrend7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

my number one golden rule has served me well: "never, ever take dating advice from women."

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is my new number 1 rule

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You seem... malleable. Be less so.

If two days and a few web articles are rocking your world like this... you need to do some inner work before you worry about women at all.

[–]8HourPower-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The red pill is proven (by the reason you're here, we're all here) to be quite an impact - for the better. He's come here for advice on the inner work, and why in general "be less malleable" is good advice, in the context of this thread it is unworthy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yes, yes, let the hate flow through you

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you start getting pissed off, realize that is a completely normal, acceptable, and indeed encouraged reaction.

Then take all that anger and focus it towards one thing and one thing only: Improving Yourself.

[–]scottishredpill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good luck :)

[–]lothar521 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 6' 4"

Women fetishize height. It is arguably more important than any other physical trait in men other than maybe facial aesthetics and shoulder broadness. However, facial aesthetics and shoulder broadness can be modified, while it is pretty difficult to modify height - you have a trait that permanently sets you apart from everyone else, and women fucking LOVE that shit. If you can effectively leverage this, spitting game will become a joke. You will barely have to put any effort into getting women, and they may even start to initiate things with you instead of you always being the pursuer.

Source: as a 5'5" male you get to really see just how much clout tall men are given, seemingly by default. Yes, obviously game trumps all, but the amount of effort you have to put into game is inversely proportional to your basic physical attractiveness.

[–]Cruising740 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


My only pieces of advice are;

  1. Realise that the anger, bitterness, frustration etc. you are feeling or will feel is a natural part of unplugging.

  2. Study, train etc but the main thing for me is mindset. See yourself as the 'Great Prize'. This dictates how everyone should approach you and the treatment that is worthy of you. Society tells us to be supplicants, nice guys. Think of yourself as a King- how should she act towards you? Otherwise, next!

[–]trppy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I can't wait to dive into all this knowledge and push myself as hard as I can to employ it. Hey it might all be bullshit, but it seems so promising I have to try.

Good luck man and remember: you will fail. It's a part of the learning process.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm no stranger to failure!

[–]upright619-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh my god I'm cringing like a bitch by reading about your beta-past. Anyhow swallow the pill and move it on up.

[–]captshady-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Start applying game. While a full dose of TRP contains more than just game, for you my friend, that's where you start. I don't care which book you start with, but start, today. Focus on applying it, go out and get your stripes. Applying it is highly important for someone like yourself.

As you apply the methods, you'll see the proof in the results. Subconsciously so much around you will change for the better.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

welcome to the concepts. Just keep reading, and check out The Rational Male - Year 1 for some good guidance on how to approach things.

Don't be dissuaded by opinions that come across as way to intense/offensive. In general, it's those concepts that slap you across the face and change your paradigm of how you see the world.

And I'm with you on the Confessions of A Invacel. Made me skip a couple of my senior level classes that day just re-reading and thinking that I wrote that post.

Here's another post that reminded me of something similar:

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