/u/strategos_autokrator asked in my Captain/FO thread:

I know that at some point there has to be a talk to hire her as first officer. I am curious to know when and how others here did this. Clearly it should not be done when the captain is perceived to be drunk, but also, not bringing it up openly can lead to dishonest covert contracts.

When is the right time? What are key milestones you accomplished that made you feel it was the right time?

I said: "If the wife is a you-go-girl ballbuster the answer is never. If your wife wants to be submissive but cannot express her needs this may be one way to approach it. I had this part pretty easy because my wife read MMSL and asked me point blank when I was going to be her Captain.

I would imagine the best time to have the Captain/First Officer talk is to briefly mention it (after some great sex) and roll it out slowly over weeks, not days. This will only work (or will work best) if you ARE the Captain, not just talking about it. Women talk. Men do.

Which leads to the central point- you can't have this discussion as a 'negotiation.' You have to be leading and commanding her to follow but at the same time you can't suddenly go from Bluepill pussy to in charge Redpill. So the milestone is you can start rolling out the conversation about the Captain after you have established yourself as the Captain, not before. Don't confuse cause and effect."

Don't forget guys: Men DO, Women talk. Most guys say it is a bad idea to talk about Red Pill with your wife. However, many Red Pill Women beg to differ. I would love to hear from some Commmanders on this issue. I think, in particular, that you can and should discuss the Captain/FO model with your wife at some point.

Let us hear your thoughts but before we start let's be sure all of us know the rules of Fight Club (so it doesn't get repeated 10 times):

The first rule of Fight Club is you do not talk about Fight Club.

The Second rule of Fight Club is you do not talk about Fight Club.

I just think, especially on HARD MODE, there is a FOURTH and FIFTH rule (at least).

What say you all about if and when you discuss any aspect of Red Pill, especially the Captain/First Officer model?