Let's talk about sports

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October 16, 2018

Team sports are invaluable to any child's developments, and I think even we as men have a vital need to play team sports. The "gang", the male-dominated environment, is something we all need to embrace to excel as men. They encourage our competitive nature, tap into our primal warrior instincts, etc...(read the Way of Men by Jack Donovan for more on this). I played competitive soccer until I wrecked my knee a few times too many, and now play slo-pitch and the experiences are some of the best of my life. The camaraderie, the competition, the fighting alongside your brothers in sport is one of the best feelings a man can have. We should encourage all of our sons and daughters to play team sports (https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/why-every-young-man-should-play-a-team-sport/)

I've been thinking lately though about non-participating sport activities - watching football, hockey, soccer, baseball, etc. Which inevitably leads to reading about the games, tracking stats, and so on. I find myself in this bubble where I spent 2-4 hours a day either watching or reading about sports.

Sports are so damn appealing because we've all got a desire to have a tribe and following whatever team(s) meet that need. But I've been thinking about their usefulness. I have spent countless hours watching sports, most of which I've enjoyed, but surely could have been spent doing more productive things. It reminds me of the video game debate we see on here sometimes - they're fun, but are they useful? Are they DHVs? Not really. Yet many of us men have this attachment - obsession - with sports.

Is it because they're a distraction? A haze we can put ourselves into the block out the bullshit of life/work/marriage/bills/etc. ? I watch 3 hours of football or 2 hours of soccer and in that time frame, my mind is blank, time moves on around me yet I stay still fixated on something that really truly doesn't matter.

Has anyone else thought about this before?

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Title Let's talk about sports
Author Bencousinwater
Upvotes 7
Comments 29
Date 16 October 2018 01:28 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/203890
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[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy

Watching excessive sports and playing fantasy football are a huge DLV.

It’s all a distraction to keep the masses of betas out there entertained. It’s called “Bread & Circuses”- seriously, look it up.

The Romans used this concept to keep the slaves “entertained” & distracted so they wouldn’t know what’s really going on. Keeps them dumbed-down and dorsile so they wouldnt unite and become too powerful as a group and then rebel.

It’s a brainwashing technique to keep betas feelzing a part of something bigger than themselves... and gives them a feelz of victory that they couldn’t feelz in their own pathetic lives. After the big game, they are more willing to go back to work on Monday to a job they don’t like, more willing to accept mediocre salary and only a 2 week vacation.

They don’t want betas emerging from the pack and becoming alphas. Keeps the betas in check. Here, have your watered down beer, your smokes, your sports teams, and your reality tv, your fast food, and shut the fuck up. Sit there and watch other people become awesome, don’t even think about becoming awesome yourself.

Think about the opportunity cost ($) that is being wasted. Could be lifting, working on side business, fucking, producing, reading, teaching, investing, becoming educated, etc..

Masses out there are getting pimped and don’t even know it. It’s designed like that on purpose. Makes tons of money off them.

All the commercials & messages are teaching them to Consume, comsume, comsume, don’t even think about becoming a producer.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not a single pussy or faggot??

You going soft on us?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly Mr. Thundercock. That's what hit me last night.

There are unseen costs too. X hours spent watching or reading about whatever sport/team = x hours not spent developing self, relationship with son/wife, or doing otherwise more productive things.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. Don’t get pimped.

Be happy that you found red pill and starting to see through the Matrix.

Use it as leverage -to your advantage.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Two of my past posts that are relevant:

MRP and Watching Sports

RP Parenting: Wrestling

IMO "watching" sports is a version of masturbation. Once in a while is fine, but don't waste the limited time in your life on memorizing bullshit facts and critiquing other men who are actually achieving something while you waste away in your "man cave".

Conversely, especially for kids, playing sports is an awesome way to develop so many important skills. One thing to realize though is that all sports are not created equal. Some are just plain fun, but don't offer much in the way of character growth, others can have a major impact on your growth as a man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks for your posts. I missed the first post. The masturbation analogy is a good one.

Totally agree about sports being an awesome way to develop. My son will definitely be put in sport. True, not all sports are equal...I think hockey, football, and soccer are probably the best character-building sports. You're part of a close unit, you're active most of the games, and there's some physical contact. Baseball seems to be more individual, where although you're fighting for a common goal, most of your time is spent alone and relatively inactive.

[–]WesternhagenWinner1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Add lacrosse to the list. My son plays. It has been great for him. Developing hand-eye skills, getting tough, learning to deal with getting hit, learning to lead and follow as part of a team.

[–]Senor_Martillo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a little obscure outside California, but water polo will toughen the hide of anyone who plays it. Get the goal while sprinting in a pool nonstop for 45 minutes and the opposing team tries to drown you with every dirty trick they can think of.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with /u/MrChad_Thundercock

Also women are starting to dominate the "watching" sports fan area. We know why it is but I also have a unsupported theory that it's to shame men. To compete or be our equals.

I study martial arts. I hold 2 black belts, started a third early this summer (BJJ) I teach in 1 (karate) and compete in 1 ( BJJ ). I also just started Powerlifting competitions. I don't have time to watch sports. I participate in them. Thats my tribe. The ones I share blood with...literally. with a woman wants to compete with me she can do it there.

Gotta do something cool with your life. If you can't do it right. Do it cool.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Watching sportsball is generally the only option. I played slopitch all summer and will be playing indoor soccer once a week starting January.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]ParaXilo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have trouble watching football and baseball lately. It's an occasional thing now. I'll follow on google and see if the Texans or Astros are playing or won their games but I can't sit still for 3 hours watching a Football game or 5 hours watching a baseball game.

However, go ASTROS! I've never had the "we" mindset. It's they, them, that team. It's their accomplishment.

Watching MMA fights on occasion is another thing but I've mainly caught highlights because I usually work those nights. Usually it's gotta be because our instructor is on the card or it's a fighter I actually like. Can't remember the last fight I watched.

The only sport I'm participating in and learning is brazilian jiujitsu and wanting to add muay thai soon.

I plan to take my son to football and baseball games. On occasion but he will be active in something.

[–]The_LitzRed Beret1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

In the end, any activity that becomes an escape is DLV. Be that playing pc games, watching the Kardashians or watching sports.

Game of Thrones has this massive following. There are tv shows, YouTube channels and sub reddits just for discussing the latest episode.

Sounds stupid?

Now as ridiculous as this sounds, most popular sports have the exact same post game discussions, analysis and 'what ifs'.

It is no different.

I am a little bit on the fence about watching sport. Zoning out in front of the tv, watching 2 to 3 games in a row, is low value, but I do find it good to attend a sports match occasionally.

Going to the game, having a few beers with friends is good male bonding. Know you have gone to far when you start painting your whole body and it really upsets you when your team loses.

[–]i_stuckmydickincrazy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


I think for some groups of guys, talking about what's going on with various soccer teams fulfils a possibly-important purpose over and above just bonding. It's a similar role to what women get out of talking about soap operas and reality shows, which is to set the boundaries of what is considered acceptable behaviour within their group, and to define what specific actions are considered 'good' and 'bad' (for us, for now).

I mean, there's a bunch of normal blokes, many of them pretty natural alphas as far as I could tell, who I used to play five-a-side soccer with after work once in a while. And in the pub afterwards, much of their talk about what was going on with their favourite teams would be centered around how effectively (or not) the manager was doing his job, whether individuals were 'team players' or 'glory hunters', and this seemed to strongly connect with the way they talked about people in the workplace: who is pulling their weight, and who is letting the team down; who is skilling up and who is letting themselves slide etc etc. All done, naturally, with a lot of cheeky banter and fun times which does of course also aid bonding.

On that level, I think I can see it as a positive, though personally I'm more interested in film and theatre than sport, so I'm much more likely to have similar conversations about actors and directors; but the missing element there is the importance of teamwork. All the messy compromises and collaborations between groups of people that are required to make a film production successful, are hidden from view in the end result, but in a soccer or other sportsball game, it's all out there on the field and in the dugout.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Good point. There are pro's to watching sport, for sure. It can be a positive bonding experience between friends and families. But everything has its limit.

[–]The_LitzRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even at home watching a big game is nice for the family, but I moved away from watching whoever is playing just for the sake of watching. I select a game I want to watch and that is it. If there are no games I want to watch I don't watch.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's a good way of approaching it. At the moment I watch for the sake of watching.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

“what ifs'.”

Lol. Have to love the faggot betas that “analyze” the game for days and weeks after...and call into sports talk radio... and can tell that they never played the game before..

If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.

[–]The_LitzRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A friend of mine from high school played semi pro sport for a about 4 years after school. He loved it.

Turns out he hardly follows it nowadays! He will watch a couple of games a year and his boys are also good at it, but that is it.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

> I've been thinking lately though about non-participating sport activities - watching football, hockey, soccer, baseball, etc. Which inevitably leads to reading about the games, tracking stats, and so on. I find myself in this bubble where I spent 2-4 hours a day either watching or reading about sports.

Completely gay to sit and watch content, especially sportsball. Go lift. Go create something. Fuck, go clean your goddamn room. You aren't creating value consuming entertainment. If it's what you like to do to relax, fine, but one shouldn't attempt to pick up watching sports as a hobby. Totally fucking stupid.

Take up shooting. Get a rolling chassis and build a tuner. Take a martial arts class. Run a marathon. Take up pottery for fucks sake. Anything but watching sportsball.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Well that's what it is, it's something I like to do to relax. But it has grown into something more than relaxing...it's like a borderline-obsession, where I compulsively read sports news at work, and look forward to watching whatever game is coming up next. For reference, I probably watch on average 3 NFL games and 2 soccer games a week. So we're looking at about 12 hours watching sports, and possibly 4-5 hours reading on sports sites/reddit/etc. If we are being honest, that is hardly a lot considering the way our culture is around professional sports.

I asked myself - why do I dedicate upwards of 20 hours per week to something that doesn't matter?

In short - yes, I am much better off doing anything that you mentioned. Those 20 hours can be spent doing things that are perhaps less relaxing (i.e. mindless) but are more productive and fulfilling. That's what I've been struggling to realize and accept over the past 24 hours or so.

[–]EveryGodDamnDay2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

obsession ... Compulsively ...

When i get like this about something, it's usually not about the thing itself; the thing is just a way to escape something else about my life. Do you have a mission in your life? Things you really want to accomplish? On the flip side, do you have something you're unhappy about and hiding from? Stay off the sports-crack for a while, quiet your mind, see what you actually want, and go work to get it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good advice. Thanks.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t watch any more sports on TV unless I take in a game with my family. And that has happened exactly once in about a year.

Go cheer and root for the good guys mother fucker. Have fun.

I’m gonna do real shit, which includes sports.

I bet you get together with your buddies and bet at it too for a men’s nightz.

[–]Redpillbrigade170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah play sports . Don’t watch them.

[–]Frosteecat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've got way too much shit to do to spend hours on end watching other men compete. Even if it's just me and my shitty weights, ONE hour lifting is moving my personal needle forward.

I am always telling my teen sons that we live in a world of Consumers, that all they need to do is be Producers and they'll be way ahead of the pack. Easier said than done--for all of us.

I used to spend a lot more timing watching sports. About a year ago I decided to cut the cable. Now I watch free educational tv if anything, the occasional OPB show with the wife and an occasional "homer" game now and then--as a reward for doing shit around the house and getting my workout in FIRST.

I'm old though--almost 50--and can hear the "life clock" ticking. LOUDLY.

You can always find a better use of time. If you need a bubble to escape in...try a hobby that you have something to show for as a result of time spent.

[–]milkeway610 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have fond memories of playing JV football. I was never good enough to play varsity. Too short and too slow. However, I can honestly say I can't remember watching a complete football game since then. I have absolutely no interest in wasting my time watching grown men play a child's game. I have understood the thought process. How can you say "We won!" when all you did was sit on the fucking couch and drink beer. How can a grown ass man become so emotionally involved in a sport, he probably hasn't played since high school, that he takes the life of another man just because they don't agree?

However, back in my Chad days I loved football and hunting season. While the men we at watching Alabama or Georgia or Florida or whoever play at the country club or local bar or a buddies house, I was fucking their wives. "Honey, I'm going to to the club to watch the game." "OK, have fun, I think I'm going to go shopping." An hour later I'm balls deep on her ass at my apartment while he is guzzling beer and burgers.

[–]AtlasCuckd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Always thought watching sports excessively and fantasy leagues are for losers. The nerds of the sports world. Even as a kid I disliked sitting and watching sports (minus soccer, only during the World Cup) because I felt so much better when I actually PARTICIPATED in the sport and the feeling of accomplishment that comes with winning.

There's something about rooting for other men while my lazy ass sits on the couch that rubs me the wrong way. I digress.

Being a part of a sports team is important for boys/men to build thick skin and to understand how working as a unit can be beneficial. Developing healthy relationships with other boys is crucial. Only if the coach isn't a perv though.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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