TT all over the place

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September 28, 2018

My total testosterone was tested at the beginning of May at 209 ng/dL in late afternoon, quite below range. Endo wants another blood test in the morning in late May, which is results in a level of 274, just 12 above the lower range. He says no treatment is warranted, get tested in 3 to 6 months. I book the test for September.

Cue a very difficult mental time for me. Compared to not getting TRT, discovering the affair is nothing. From getting the result in mid-June, till right now, I am in a horrible, pre-RP days stasis. I am being denied the treatment that I have needed for so long. Dark thoughts, no meditation, eating crap, watching porn, biting nails again. Lifting regimen is laughable at about 3 sessions a month. Lift numbers have just been maintained, so there's that, and I always hit my protein goal. I have gained 5kg, and I am tired. All. The. Time. There's a point to all this puke. Spare me the spanking, I know it's bad.

I decide for my September test to not sleep at all the night before. Surely, with my lack of training, BF now about 18% (14% in May), my TT will be dangerously low and my butt can taste that sweet testosterone undecanoate the endo has told me about. Just got the results. Crap: 338 ng/dL. Never been tested that high. And I still feel tired and morning wood is 50%. Any one has a clue? For both my May and September tests, LH, FSH, SHBG and FAI are all in range.

I am not keen on "sourcing" myself TRT, if you know what I mean, so I need a plan. Right now, it consists of getting my ass back in the gym and milk Stronglifts until I plateau on SQ and BP, then switch to 5/3/1. Either the beginners version, or go straight to BBB. I'd like input on that as well.

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Title TT all over the place
Author Giant-__-Otter
Upvotes 6
Comments 39
Date 28 September 2018 05:56 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]2ndalRed Beret9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Instead of trying to figure out how you can game the results using broscience, just find a doctor who will treat symptoms and blood levels, not just blood levels. If you can't find one local, find one online. I use Defy Medical and have no complaints.

[–]NoCoast822 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

My insurance requires 2 tests before 10am under 300 to provide coverage.

OP could smash a 64oz Gatorade 30min before blood draw, or go to a mens clinic and pay more.

[–]2ndalRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can always pay out of pocket.

[–]witnessthenomorebp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I gladly pay out of pocket for mine and my Endo keeps levels as close to 1200 as he can. Between me and my wife (FINALLY got her in there) it's about $2400 a year. I would pay it without hesitation. Shop around for one who is aggressive in treatment. Mine does endurance marathons and is very aggressive in treatment. Or don't.

[–]ploppylumpkins7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Take vitamin D. Eat a lot of eggs and beef. Don’t drink. Get a divorce.

[–]Giant-__-Otter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No problem, those are in the assets column

[–]hystericalbonding6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

5/3/1. Either the beginners version, or go straight to BBB.

Why not Kripteia, building the monolith, n-Suns, or any of the other 5/3/1 programs that are better than BBB? I'd suggest reading Beyond 5/3/1.

Crap: 338 ng/dL

Setting aside the fact that bioavailable testosterone matters more than total, the important lesson is that you can't blame your hormones for acting like a bitch.

no meditation, eating crap, watching porn, biting nails again. Lifting regimen is laughable at about 3 sessions a month

Seems like you're just a lazy fuck. Have you tried trying?

[–]Giant-__-Otter[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the suggestions, reading Beyond 531 is overdue anyway. I do indeed have to get out of fuckarounditis and rebound.

[–]lionmenden0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

That’s still a very low reading at 338.

[–]hystericalbonding3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Doesn't matter. The central issue is OP's lack of effort. He's looking for shortcuts, thinking testosterone is the solution to all his problems, and I refuse to be an enabler. The fact that I responded at all was an act of charity. He's waving a giant red flag that says, "Don't waste your time on me, because I won't put in the effort!"

[–]lionmenden0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Take Dwayne Johnson, switch his Tren with female birth control pills, and when he loses 50 lbs in muscle and gains 50 lbs in fat and water, tell him he’s not working the gym hard enough. I get what you’re saying, but this guy has a chemical imbalance he needs to fix. And that’s extremely powerful. Then we can call him a bitch for not hitting the gym once his hormones are set.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

Unless you are obese, you really can't change your T levels through behavior or diet. I don't care what clickbait bullshit blogs say.

Quit being a cheap ass, I pay around $1000 a year for doc visits, testing, T and arimidex. Wouldn't it be worth $80 a month to feel better? All the lifting you do at 300T isn't going to mean shit. Let me repeat that. All the lifting you do at 300T isn't going to mean shit. You will exhaust yourself, injure yourself and not make any progress. I'd pay double what I do now, and I'd still be glad to pay it. Heck, it costs me $50 a vial for 3 months of T. If I paid for it via insurance it would probably be more expensive because my drug copay is $40 a month.

Go to a men's clinic. There's no reason for you to go underground on this, you have a condition, you just don't meet the conditions for insurance to pay for it.

[–]Randy_Marsh20240 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

$225/month in my area, that’s with a discount. Did you find a more reasonable clinic, or alternate means? I will shop around now after seeing what you’re paying.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

First, you have to shop around, call places. If you just walk into an anti-aging clinic, they are going to gouge you. Let them know you will be paying cash, less hassle for them to deal with insurance. Also make sure they will let you do your own injections. If they make you come in, it's just to scam you for an injection fee. I pay about $150 per visit, 4x a year. Check for men's health clinics, also concierge doctors. I buy my T with a coupon from whatever national chain has the best deal, about $50 for 3 months worth. From the pharmacist, pretty much everyone comes in with the coupon, it's easier than screwing with insurance for a few dollars difference. Arimidex is around $20 for 6 month's worth. Most of my labs are covered by my insurance, but you can get cheap prices at Never walk in and pay cash at a lab.

I know I have a pretty good deal that would be hard to beat, but you can certainly do better than $225/month.

Also to /u/BigAjax

[–]Randy_Marsh20240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the reply STSK. I went to the main clinic in my area in order to avoid the larger city traffic nearby. They’ve been awesome throughout the process and TRT has been hugely beneficial, and it’s been much easier to work with cash. I’ll check out these sites and start shopping around, thanks again.

[–]BigAjax0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the details and advice

[–]BigAjax0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

After recently getting my T numbers (550 ng total, 14.5 pg free) I'm considering TRT. Local men's clinics for me are around the price you note. If I can find a way to do it for $1000/yr, I'd probably jump right in. I'm guessing u/2ndal's Defy place is online. Gonna check that out tonight.

[–]lionmenden0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Check online TRT. They have you draw blood locally but everything else is remote and legit.

[–]Giant-__-Otter[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I would gladly pay double that as well, but there's no such thing as men's clinics in Western Europe.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are there really no private clinics? Can you go cross-border to a more favorable country?

[–]officerkondo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A change from 209 to 338 is not "all over the place". Both are low as fuck. Shit.

I am not keen on "sourcing" myself TRT, if you know what I mean, so I need a plan.

Here's a plan. Stop being a pussy and buy testosterone from underground labs like I do. But, if you're scared to buy from an underground lab (and you are so scared of it you can't even say it "if you know what I mean"), you're probably too scared to stick a needle in your ass.

So, forget about Stronglifts and go do pilates at Curves.

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m not saying you don’t need TRT but quit blaming everything on that. Damn dude, my daughter has 1/16th of your test and doesn’t act like a crying bitch when things are hard. She pushes herself. You don’t.

[–]RedPillCoach1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


He says no treatment is warranted, get tested in 3 to 6 months

I say I am depressed and lethargic and want my levels to be higher. Either give me the script or I am going to a men's clinic to get it.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

We could debate about testosterone until we're blue in the face. Go see a medical professional and get it fixed.

[–]gameoflibidos0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you do a couple cycles of steroids, you'll temp get the tst you want and when you come off the 2nd cycle your tst will crash, at which point you can get re-tested and you'll be low enough to get on TRT from the doc.

A couple cycles won't hurt you. Long term use will hurt you... and long term abuse (in the case of Mr. Olympia bodybuilders these days) will kill you.

[–]lionmenden0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some people use legal prohormones to do this. I’m not saying it’s the best option, but you can do it easily and legally.

[–]lionmenden0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Endos tend to suck for this. Find a men’s clinic or an online TRT service. I would find someone willing to try Clomid before sticking you on T shots for life, but you should research that while vetting a new doctor.

[–]cyclone19910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Metformin tanked my TT levels by about 50 points. Nasty stuff.

[–]WolfofAllStreetz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Similar situation here. No local TRT clinics, my levels are low. Finally found a urologist who prescribes test.. said he would let me do shots but wont do any hcg as he says test basically makes you sterile. Rural areas really suck for this shit.

I need a doc who will monitor labs more etc

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Da'fug is the question faggot?

[–]hystericalbonding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's about titties. Or it should be.

[–]WesternhagenWinner0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Endo wants another blood test in the morning in late May, which is results in a level of 274, just 12 above the lower range. He says no treatment is warranted, get tested in 3 to 6 months. I book the test for September.

This doctor is an idiot. But this is not uncommon. What you should have done, rather than waiting months for another test, is taken your results to another doctor who would prescribe TRT. Saying that 274 means no treatment is warranted is malpractice, especially after the 209. However, even now, it is not too late to say, get another doctor. Better yet, find a clinic that specializes in TRT.

[–]gameoflibidos0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

if he just pays for it, I'm sure the Doctor would give it to him. He wants it covered by insurance.

[–]WesternhagenWinner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If so, that is a mistake. TRT is cheap enough to pay for out of your own pocket.

[–]Giant-__-Otter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll show the results to another doc and plead my case, if unsuccessful I'll find another way.

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