Women want a rollercoaster of emotions so when my wife tries to argue, aren’t I supposed to give her that...sometimes?

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August 25, 2018

Sidebar says we need to be her rock. But also that women love a roller coaster of emotions. So if I’m stfu every time she’s trying to have an argument aren’t I just robbing her of that emotion?

I mean sometimes my wife will try to get into an argument so dumb. So obvious. That I have to say to myself “okay. You want to go here? Let’s go here then” and have a full on good argument/yell off.

I find that it’s even healthy to do this sometimes, because the sex to follow is usually awesome. Not only for me but for her too.

Though I don’t think it’s good to follow her down every frame battle. I do think it’s good to go off on each other once in a while instead of always STFU and always being her rock and never arguing. Am I missing why this isn’t spoke about more?

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Title Women want a rollercoaster of emotions so when my wife tries to argue, aren’t I supposed to give her that...sometimes?
Author InconspicuousWand
Upvotes 8
Comments 19
Date 25 August 2018 10:35 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/204077
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/9aasvk/women_want_a_rollercoaster_of_emotions_so_when_my/
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[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy


“When my wife tries to argue...”


When your wife defines the terms and conditions of engagement, you enter her frame by engaging. That is the time for STFU, AA, and AM.

YOU are the leader.

YOU dictate the terms of engagement.

YOU decide when to give her the feelz, and lead them where you want to go.

The roller coaster is a great analogy.

So, are you going to be the car?


[–]DeepReindeer-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Arguing with your wife, when you choose to, for reasons you understand, is Machiavellian. It's not weak, it's manipulative, which comes from a position of strength.

Your advice encourages autistic behavior.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t see the disconnect, but I’m not a student of the Dark Triad.

If you feel so inclined, maybe you can enlighten me?

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

The term you're looking for is manufactured drama, a variant of push/pull

And the reason you don't see it much is because noobs in here are still worried about what they women think.

I had a great field report under the old name, hopefully I can find it

[–]FlyingSexistPig14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you argue with her on her terms, in her frame, then it's bad.

If you argue on your terms, with your goals in mind, then it's good.

If your goal is to give her the emotional roller coaster, then go for it. Because you're the master and commander in that storm. But if your emotions are all tied up in the argument, then you've failed. If you're pulling her hair and choking her for the sexual energy of it, it's good. But if you're doing it because you're mad, then it's very very bad.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wanna know who has no time for arguments or manufactured drama?

This fucking guy.

Time spent on this kind of shit is less time I spend on myself.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is like intermediate MRP - riling up the wife just to rile her up, giving her those feelz... You have to have frame first.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Argument is two people trying to impose their will upon the other. i.e. figuring out who is alpha. I already know who is alpha, so I don't need to argue. Do you argue with your 5 year old?

i.e. If on occasion she is legit upset about something then I'll actually listen but not engage or "argue". I will repeat back to her what her "point" is and have her confirm her desired outcome. Then daddy lays down the rule. Yes, no, or I'll think about it and get back to you (tonight, tomorrow, next week, some defined time). I'm the judge, jury and executioner. This is what she wants, a rock she can count on.

Would you rather ride a yacht that is strong and controlled but occasionally goes to ports you don't prefer or an unreliable dingy bouncing around every which way depending on external forces like waves and wind.

I'll tolerate a bit of "emotion", that's what makes women fun in the first place. I will not tolerate disrespect, so when she crosses that line listening time is over. She's learned that is not the way to get what she wants (if there is is to be a chance at getting that).

Usually after things "blow over" she will thank me for dealing with her emotions and not holding it against her. Then we cuddle, then she works on her deep-throat skills.

Do you get mad at a rain cloud? No, it just is. Sometimes the weather is sunny, sometimes it is rainy, that is it's nature. Such is the way of women. Learn to enjoy these states, but I don't see sense in trying to encourage rain.

[–]gettingmymojobackRed Beret5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I used to argue with my wife, but then again I also used to be a fat fuck and had a dead bedroom.

I have better things to do than get dragged into her drama now. If she wants to argue over some stupid shit, she’s free to do so, just not with me.

I’ll tease, AA and AM that shit but if she crosses the line from shit test into straight disrespect....I’m out.

It’s not a case of STFU, it’s a case of I have better things to do and as Patrice would say not negotiating with Terrorists.

Getting pulled into her frame and engaging in bullshit arguing is just rewarding her bad behaviour. Don’t reward bad behaviour

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I do think it’s good to go off on each other once in a while instead of always STFU and always being her rock and never arguing. Am I missing why this isn’t spoke about more?

Both /u/Rian_Stone and /u/bogeyd6 talk about this regularly, such as here.

[–]oytrp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a difference between arguing and saying "no".

Arguing means that you have started to DEER. When you shut her down and just say no, you aren't arguing. There shouldn't be a back and forth, you're in charge.

Just being adversarial gives her the roller coaster of emotions she's looking for. No need to DEER.

[–]RedPillCoach4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely 100% correct. And welcome to the next level of Red Pill.

STFU is for guys who are not in control. If you want to have a good scream off go for it. Guys do it around the fire and solve all the problems in the world over a few beers. Girls do it at home and try to solve their problems.

Quiet and sullen = you lose.

Butthurt = you lose

Dismissive = you win

Angry = Win or Lose depending on your frame.

For new guys, the only answer is STFU but when you develop your frame you can start having fun.

My wife and I get into scream-fests all the time but I am a well known hothead. The key is that she knows from experience that I am like a gas fire. Sudden blast of fire with lots of hot air but nobody get's burned. Unless you really piss me off I calm down quickly and have taught her to do the same.

Push-Pull means something. Push her away and pull her towards you. Up, down all around and if you can stay in control watch her get more and more aroused.

[–]griz3lda0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would normally say "find a more emotional woman" (yes, I like to live life on the edge heh), but since this is Mrp-- just figure out what legitimate issue/behavior will push her buttons-- or just live your damn life. sooner or later if you're doing whatever you want it will clash with any given person's wants/feelz/etc. if you have to manufacture drama you're not having enough fun in life.

[–]BostonBrakeJob0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Think of the sidebar material on women's nature as a list of cheatcodes. These aren't things you're "supposed" to do...but rather things you can do to have fun with her, get a good sexual response, and keep things generally spiced up and interesting for the both of you... + what everyone else has said about "arguing" from your frame/push-pull

When I have time, I'll post a FR on the main sub with an example of this. Just had a little fun with it myself the other day.

[–]Bedtimeshine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Unless you have the skills to drop shit like this on a woman and put her in her place... dont argue with her. Ever


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know. It sounds like you are trying to follow a specific formula, like you're building an Ikea bookshelf. Like you're failing shit tests by giving in. How about coming back at her with a genuine gripe of your own if she wants that tension from you.

Don't listen to me though. I don't know shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. Argue from within your frame and let her feel your amusement at how dumb the whole thing is. Being the oak is just letting her feel secure in your emotional stability, it doesn't mean you have to go nonresponsive on her.

If you've seen My Cousin Vinny, the way they argued over the faucet is a perfect example.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Betas get into arguments.

When you get really at Game, you can strategically get into an argument with your wife for fractionation - wife range of emotions to bring her high and then low- to give her Feelz.

But judging by your post, you aren’t there yet.

Stick to AA & teasing for feelz. Stfu for arguements.

She is starting arguements because you aren’t attractive enough yet. Improve SMV.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have to be making proper, sober decisions. If she finds a pair of panties of some other chick, then it's hard to win the argument. But if she's accusing you of being out late and banging some mystery chick, when in fact you were just out at the gym later than usual, you can pull her into your frame because then she's just being an irrational, childish woman. Just make sure she doesn't have a legitimate reason to be starting shit with you other than her emotions.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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