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The nature of women...

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June 21, 2018
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Some of you guys are still struggling with your intimate relationships. I have a few tips about the nature of women that may help.

  1. Women control intimacy, men control commitment.

Remember this the next time you want to "force" a sexual encounter with a woman. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. They share intimacy and have sex when and how they feel like it. And there isn't anything you can do about that, except to be attractive and not be unattractive. Nothing. Zilch. Zippo.

So the next time you are frustrated with your woman's lack of apparent desire (for you) DO NOT try to force the issue. Control what you can, which is your attractiveness and unattractiveness and patiently await her response. It is what it is. You are the decision taker, not the decision maker.

  1. Women are like cats, men are like dogs.

Personality wise, women are like cats. Most cats won't come when you call them. Cats come when they feel safe and secure around you. They come when they need your affection. They come when YOU ARE ATTRACTIVE TO THEM.

What happens if you put a cat in a collar and try to lead it around like a dog ? Lots of hissing and struggle to do anything but walk with you.

How do you get a cat to sit on your lap ? Ignore it. Be calm. Do your own thing. The cat will approach and jump up on you when it is ready.

Remember this the next time you feel you need to share your RP goals aloud. No need. She'll respond when YOU are attractive to HER.

  1. Women love and need sex as much or more than men do.

Any man that is in a great relationship knows this because he has experienced it. The key to experiencing this is to be the man that she can open up with. I'm convinced that all women crave great sex and a man to have great sex with. And so they should. As men we need to strive to be the men that women need to have great sex with.

Remember this the next time your SO offers you starfish sex.

  1. Nothing is a bigger turn off to a woman than an insecure, needy or entitled man.

A woman's desire starts with the feelings the man's behaviour and appearance arouse in her. The next time you are rejected by a woman, check your recent and not so recent history for behaviours displaying insecurity, neediness or entitlement.

Remember this the next time you feel the need to initiate for the 4th time in a day.

  1. Women are driven by their biology.

Women are driven by their biology and nothing will ever change that. Say all you want about men responding to female visual cues, women are just as visual as men are, if not moreso.

Want proof ? Put up an attractive male Tinder profile that has just pictures with no bio, versus one that has unattractive pictures and a great bio. The feminists and intellectual women will tell you all day long how they are attracted to a man's personality, his charm and charisma, but if you watch their actions, they'll swipe right on the physically attractive man all day long and ignore the great profile.

Women can't and don't outsmart their biology. They are physically attracted to toned stomachs, developed chests, strong backs and chiselled good looks. Consciously or subconsciously they want to mate with attractive men so as to pass these traits on to their offspring. Their bodies respond appropriately and there is nothing they can do about that. You can't negotiate desire, remember ?

Remember this the next time she says she is just not in the mood or has more important things to do. What do you think her body is telling her ?


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Title The nature of women...
Author ImSteveMcQueen
Upvotes 8
Comments 38
Date 21 June 2018 05:30 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/204310
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/8stsx2/the_nature_of_women/
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[–]mindfulbutgutlessRed Beret15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, at least we know you read some of the sidebar

[–]johneyapocalypse3 points4 points  (19 children) | Copy

Good post for the newbies, reminding them that (1) insecurity and neediness are disgusting and (2) women want and crave sexy time with hottie, high value men who give them the feelz.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy

Very nice summary.

I knew what he was trying to say, but the whole thing comes across as a “wait and see” passive approach to fucking. It’s her decision? Patiently wait for her? And the myth of the muscles & abs shows up again..

[–]Shyrk1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy

May I just ask exactly what you mean by “the myth” of muscles and abs?

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge-1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy

Those things are definitely great to have and some chicks get off on them, but it’s more like an assessory, not required.

Chicks are attracted to a dominate, high value, alpha male. Period.

Some dudes are stuck in the muscle paradigm, some are stuck in the money or fame paradigm. It’s such a constrictive, limiting, & binary mindset to have.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

but it’s more like an assessory, not required.

Did you really just say that ?

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yep. Feelz before Realz. Dudes focus on the definite value while chicks focus on the indefinite value. What it represents.

[–]johneyapocalypse3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

In a marriage, aka RP hard...

  • Game without gainz = failure.
  • Gainz without game = success.
  • Game + gainz = jackpot.

That's my take.

Edit: I get your point. Fake it 'till you make it and focus on the game, too.

Edit 2: There's a world of variation at play as well. The dude clocking in at 40% body fat clearly isn't going far with game. The dude who's physically fit already will get more miles per gallon.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Chad_T nails it. As Rollo preaches, Frame is Everything. Game and gainz are the force multipliers. But these multipliers times zero frame = zero.

[–]johneyapocalypse1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

My comment was intended to be in the thread below where they're arguing game versus fitness, but I reddited wrong. So I'll throw frame into this one.

I keep thinking about the dude from a few days ago who was sitting at 40% body fat - like this - just a couple months back. Let's imagine he could wake up one morning - magically - magic is fun - with one of three scenarios at play:

  • He has the frame of Leonardo DiCaprio.
  • He games like (old) Mystery.
  • He sits at 15% body fat and has muscle.

I say option three gets the most bang for the buck with his wife. And I recognize that the act of the dude going from 40% to 15% - in the real world - is itself a manifestation of frame, but that's excluded from my magic show.

No need to point out my clear use of an extreme, ridiculous, and absurd example, I already get it. :-)

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hmmm I like this thought experiment, with his wife I would have to agree with you , the body would be most affective

Slaying strange I’d go with frame

If I could pick one as a gift - frame undoubtedly. It’s he hardest to get at a high level. The other two just take dedication and discipline

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Let me guess... you are a fat fuck ?

[–]Shyrk2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

Those things are definitely great to have and some chicks get off on them, but it’s more like an assesory, not required.

Eh, to be honest, I comprehensively call bullshit on this statement.

Muscles are not a myth, they are a prerequisite.

Certainly there is value to be found in other places, but it is not tingle-inducing, and focusing on those at the peril of your own fitness is the fastest way I can think of to get your brunch swung off of.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Ok. I can see how you think that. But I’m telling you, you're only thinking one dimensional.

Start learning some basic Game. It will explain.

[–]Shyrk1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I have been studying pua since mystery. But fitness opens every single door, and I’ve yet to see a successful LTR where the man let himself become a fat piece of shit.

Good game is in fact tingle-inducing, so that part of my statement was too much.

I would never submit that fitness is the only thing, but my opinion that it is prerequisite remains unchanged.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree fitness / muscles / bf% / appearance is Paramount. It's key to dread.

The two things I would recommend above anything else is looks and OI / dngaf

You can get away with anything and if you don't it doesn't matter

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Yep. Didn’t say be a fat fuck. I’m talking about stressing over fine tuning - getting that 8-pack as opposed to 6 pack, or trying to add one more inch to the bicep- because you think chicks love it.

There’s a law of diminishing returns after basic fitness. You’ll get much more mileage working on your Game/skills and indefinite value.

Areally good fat fuck pua can run circles around body builder Chad standing in the corner with his dragon shirt on!

[–]fuckmrpRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Another thing most guys don’t realize. Being incredibly fit is intimidating to many women. If she’s super fit, no problem but if shes just say your average 7, they almost immediately get self conscious.

If he looks like that then what does he think of me whispers the hamster. Still a good problem though.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Being incredibly fit is intimidating to many women.

Nope.

Good mental masturbation though.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

They are physically attracted to toned stomachs, developed chests, strong backs and chiselled good looks high value.

“and patiently await her response...”

Wtf. Bullshit.

[–]SepeanRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are physically attracted to toned stomachs, developed chests, strong backs and chiselled good looks high value alpha.

Fixed that for you. Everytime someone writes value, hordes of betas think their money and success will help them.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

We know all this shit. Why repost it? where's some original insight here?

This post reads too much like a man doing what he needs to do in order to get laid not improve. .

Remember this the next time she says she is just not in the mood or has more important things to do. What do you think her body is telling her ?

Examine this for a minute. The Rubicon in this moment is to know when you are the prize and the rejection is her failure to be with Mr. Awesome. Steve has equated his happiness with gaming women. The more he games and fucks the happier and more successful he is.

Hence his need to check Tinder for proof and his overwhelming need to come here and beat the "More love less war" mantra.

Sure sure the advice for beginning men is to game. This has several objectives other than just getting laid. The first of which is to rebuild a man's confidence AND to show him that he can indeed pull other women and provides a much needed boost to male sexual awareness. He may prefer the one he married BUT it's key to practice practice practice.

Take this guy. Does what he wants reaps the rewards and well...gets a bit beta about it, BUT he makes a fundamental realization that few caught.

I quote here:

Fuck - as I type this I'm realizing that I'm seriously viewing sex as validation and as a measuring stick of my progress. Hard not to with the 180 that's happening in my sex life..but I've got to stop viewing it that way.

Do you lift and all the things just to pull women? No. If you do and you follow Steve's advice your sole purpose in life is to attract the female of the species. Then you are still in a the position of:

Women=Sex

Sex=Happiness

You are chided on your lack of getting women or getting laid by your old lady because it is a fantastic and easy way to poke a starting guy. Even when we point what we are doing many of you still get defensive. Then we know your frame is weak. The point of all the things to do is to rebuild you as a man. So that when she decided not to fulfill her part, fine. You know you can get someone else if you want. Or you don't yet you have the tools to move and life a happy productive life.

Your happiness comes from you. Pursuing your mission. Women are attracted to that. Having the 4% lean body is not bad, but it too is just window dressing. Why do you think gang bangers, prisoners, criminals, who don't give one fuck about your lift record or meal plan can pull some pretty attractive women?

Because their frame is solid as fuck.

Wealth, fitness allows you to pull from a greater pool of women as well as better class. It will also do far more for your mind, and health which is really the most important. Physical is not the iching.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This post reads too much like a man doing what he needs to do in order to get laid not improve. .

Remember this the next time she says she is just not in the mood or has more important things to do. What do you think her body is telling her ? 

Examine this for a minute. The Rubicon in this moment is to know when you are the prize and the rejection is her failure to be with Mr. Awesome.

No.

My statement was all about properly receiving feedback from a woman, ie her rejection. Women are controlled by their biology. You can't override that. You can't negotiate desire, remember ? Either her body is telling her hell yes or it is revolted.

It isn't about some "I'm the prize" BS. This is about recognizing when you haven't physically turned her on or worse yet you physically disgust her and you need to get your fucking ass to the gym and become more physically attractive. There are no shortcuts.

The rest of your verbal diarrhoea doesn't warrant a response.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is about recognizing when you haven't physically turned her on or worse yet you physically disgust her

Just learning that are you? The point is that you haven't progressed much past this point. Likely never will because you are still finding your happiness in women.

So yes, it's true. Women will ogle a dude with rippling muscles. But we know this already.

Yet the extent of your improvement as a man is to get ripped, fuck wimmens. Congrats. you made the rank of a PUA. There are other subs for that discussion.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you always need to try to prove to yourself you are right ?

[–]ilfj1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Still a long way to go.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockChief Autist in Charge1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Still has a few concepts fucked up. I’ll give him a good C+ for effort.

[–]nastynickdrRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good post overall, but screw this:

patiently await her response

No thanks. She controls HER intimacy with me, but she isnt the only woman that exists.

As men we need to strive to be the men that women need to have great sex with.

Eh, seems like you are too much into women´s frame. So your purpose is to be the men that women need? Nah.

Dont forget that as a man your mission should be your priority. Your mission drives you, everything else comes after. When you are the prize, its women who make an effort to be on your radar, try to fit on your busy schedule and try to be onboard of your awesome mission, and not you who jump through her hoops to try to get between her legs.

[–]The_LitzRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

>patiently await her response

I would change that part. She does not get an unlimited time offer. There is a ship at the dock that sails when the captain decides it is time to sail.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Funny reading your reply on MRP where the focus is long term relationships. Because for most of the guys here there is only one dock (wife) to dock at. So where are you going to sail when you revoke the offer ?

Furthermore, one of the biggest mistakes I see being made here is men over initiating, making themselves look needy and desperate.

It really bothers men to admit that women control intimacy in relationships. Men get hyped up on PUA and think that they have all this power over women by fooling them or coercing them. They might in the short term, but in time the woman gets to know the real man. On this sub we focus on long term relationships. Game is fun and part of the package, but a man needs the full package of goods in order to keep a woman attracted long term.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

3) Women love and need sex as much or more than men do.

nope. fucking idiot. it's called testosterone. it's THE sex hormone, and women have 1/12 as much as men. there's a reason porn, prostitution, and social media (e.g tinder) work the way they do and it's not because women need sex as much as men do.

what you're picking up on when you see women enthusiastically GIVING sex to a man, is a woman who sees him as high value/status and is terrified of losing him or him going astray (dread). when you're a fucking badass, women will fuck you all day long, not because they're hot and horny for sex, but because you are, and it's the only way they know how to keep your attention.

stop peddling this fucking unscientific, observably false bullshit

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Every heard of a romance novel ? Every looked to see how many of those are sold, not to mention vibrators ? How much pent up sex are those items replacing ?

You are right... I do have that heading wrong. It should read: 3) Women love and need sex WITH A RP MAN as much or more than men do.

It is more than dread. It is the opportunity for them to have really good sex with a really good man who is in shape and knows what the fuck he is doing. Those chances don't come along very often for most women and when they do, the flood gates open for them. It isn't about the fear of losing him, it is about the opportunity to fulfil a deep inner need.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

well now that’s a little more palatable. hopefully you see the importance of the distinction. romance novels just further prove my point

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

romance novels just further prove my point

Romance novels are porn for women. A substitute for having sex with a good man. Women only truly open up with a good man. I'm guessing many men never experience the full sexuality of a woman. They get the PG version because he isn't worthy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

it proves my point that women need extreme external stimulation in order to get to a level of horniness that is the man's default setting. you aren't saying anything good

[–]ImSteveMcQueen[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then I must be extremely stimulating to women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i have no idea and i don't care



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