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How to talk politics with hardcore bluepilled wife?

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May 23, 2018
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Wife grew up with beta provider dad / domineering "boss" mom, then went to university for a degree in blaming patriarchy, then married me, a weak "feminist ally" of the worst kind. I woke up a few years ago and started the long process of getting my shit together; she has responded instinctively to RP tactics and has adopted some tradcon thinking to justify her feelings and view of me as leader, but I still have a long way to go and she is still extremely tied to mainstream feminist theory of everything. Things work better in our actual relationship, and are improving slowly, but it is impossible to have a conversation about politics or men/women in a general sense. How do I manage this? I try amusement about that which is outside of my frame but my frame is not even close to 100% and I still succumb to getting pissed off after enough talk about male oppression and female victimhood. When I do successfully achieve amusement, I tease her about her victim complex and she goes completely ballistic. Any advice, other than stay the course and continue to become less pathetic?


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Title How to talk politics with hardcore bluepilled wife?
Author roostrboostr
Upvotes 11
Comments 57
Date 23 May 2018 06:13 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

Drink your cup of STFU, and start building your frame. You desperately need it. Did I mention you need to STFU more? And don't forget to STFU.

[–]ice_walkerHead Negotiator8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Of all the advice I have gotten in all my life in all kinds of settings and contexts, STFU is the must valuable and life changing.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also hardest to implement.

[–]2ndalRed Beret16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

How to talk politics with hardcore bluepilled wife?

easy, don't

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great, you found the RP! Now, you have this shiny new red pill, you want to show it off, you want to convert the masses! Why don't they see the genius, the straight logic of it all? Why can't they see???

Ok, you need to step back, and you need to not preach the red pill. You really need to STFU. The best, and only way to preach the red pill is by living it, and having others admire. You are not there yet.

Edit: And when the time comes, you can only say "Hey, want to go lift?" Want to know how many people have actually gone lifting when offered? Zero. Ha! The lies of TBP are enticing.

[–]mywifeisunicorn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I cant even talk to my best friend my wife about trp? Whenever I learn something or hear about my brother having deadbedroom I tell my wife all about trp.

[–]ice_walkerHead Negotiator6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you don't want to talk politics, just change the subject and talk about something else.

[–]FoxShitNasty834 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Other things you can do:

  • Show her a video of a cute kitten on your phone

  • Show her the interesting mark / mole on your dick with great enthusiasm

  • Walk out, walk back in nacked act naturally, she may even notice. Bonus points if errect. Additional bonus points if her family members are visiting

  • STFU then go lift

P.s really sorry if i wasted your time with these but the main recommended one is STFU but your milage may vary.

[–]RelativeJellyfish5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

You have limited commenting history, but I think you have an inferiority complex. (No, I'm not calling you short).

Your wife makes more money than you. You also get super worked up when she complains about the patriarchal nature of our society. Open your fucking eyes man. First, none of this hurts you, how are you slighted?

It reminds me of a Chris Rock (?) special, where he talked about being black and how no white person in the audience would switch places with him, and he's fuckin' rich. Do you get in the ring to say, "Hey, being black isn't so bad, it's way better then it was way back in time." No, you fucker, you sit there and STFU, and let them vent. Then you go about your day and get your shit done.

RP, other than a sexual strategy, is about getting (the important) shit done. Getting better, getting richer, getting more attractive. Doing what you want. It's a selfish strategy but actually benefits those around us too.

Think of your wife's complaints as venting. Venting does not need a solution (this is stated somewhere in the SIDEBAR). STFU.

[–]roostrboostr[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It seems like I can keep this in mind about half of the time, and it works. Then I sort of fall asleep again and get into my head and then I slide right back into needing to prove something. And of course it's only a recipe for disaster.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I slide right back into needing to prove something.

Your deep-blue beta heart rises up again; continue to fake it 'til you make it.

[–]ice_walkerHead Negotiator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's the usual process when you learn something new. First your success rate is 0%. Then you practice and after time it's maybe 10%. Practice a bit more and youre at 25% etc etc. But it takes time to get close to 100%.

You seem to be at 50% now, just keep practising.

[–]NevrEndr3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Answer: Don't

[–]Fritz_Frauenraub3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You think you have it rough? My wife was raised by females in a lesbian collective. I'm talking about gnarly old school 70s grad school manhating lesbonians...the Andrea Dworkin/Valerie Solanas/SCUM type. She can run rings around me if I actually engage in argument about "the patriarchy" or any other feminism related topic.So I don't play. I just lean back and smirk.

One of the high mucketymucks of the man-o-sphere, rollo I believe it was, once said that feminism itself is a massive meta-shit test. To engage your wife in serious argument about feminism....to the point of getting your feels butthurt!!...is to fail the test.

Next time she starts going on about how men are evil and how tough women have it, come up behind her, hold her hips firmly, and as you grind your cock between her ass cheeks, say in your most "yes dear" voice "absolutely honey.men are scum and we should probably all be locked up".Then let out a groan as if you're about to bust a nut.

[–]PuppetAndTheDwarf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s like talking politics is a big fat DEER, the mansplaining starts and she has already won.

Going apolitical has been my latest move. I DGAF and I STFU and let everyone say their thing, smile and move

If you want to talk politics get elected.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

When does talking ever get a desired result with a woman?

[–]roostrboostr[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I find myself wondering that every time I get to around the 30-minute mark in conversation. Then I am astonished that I let myself get into it. Again.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your ego is engaging you. Don't let it do that.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Ask her if she wants to go be a garbage man.

"See, feminism is bullshit."

Then make her take out the garbage in your house in the name of equality.

a weak "feminist ally" of the worst kind

Wait - did being a feminist ally really get you laid?

[–]roostrboostr[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It got me married to a wife who hasn't said "no" or "later" to sex in 12 years together, does that count?

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

yes and no.

do you think she fucks you on the reg because your a feminist ally; or are their other reasons?

[–]roostrboostr[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No it's probably my large cock, animal sexuality and ability to bring her to O every time. The feminist ally thing was a brief phase.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking them right solves a lot of problems. Pro-tip though - this will only take you so far. Hard mode gets harder . Sidebar is your friend

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

why?

[–]creating_my_life1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How do I manage this?

Why do you care?

[–]31Olives1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't!

[–]robertwservice19741 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Question: Why do you think she goes ballistic when you mock her?

Answer: She actually BELIEVES what she is saying.

She doesn't care what you believe and she doesn't want to have a rational conversation about politics or gender dynamics. She's frustrated and wants to vent. Don't look at this as an opportunity to convert her. You will fail. One of the great things about RP is that your LTR does not need to believe in RP for it to work.

Final piece of advice: Stop calling yourself pathetic . . . it's pathetic and may result in you actually believing that you are.

[–]roostrboostr[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I keep this in mind, everything goes well. Then I backslide. I don't actually think I'm pathetic, except for the fact that obviously I still have an occasional need for people, wife included, to agree with me.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't look at this as an opportunity to convert her. You will fail.

This is gold. You can never change anyone but yourself. Let her vent and rant and go ballistic. She owns those feelings. You cannot fix them for her. Don't try. You didn't create the social system that she is frustrated with. You have no axe in this fire.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Remind yourself that you're arguing with a teenager. Would you get mad at a teen espousing some naive shit? No. You'd just say, "Ok, sure kiddo." and chuckle yourself away.

You know more than she does, and she's not mature enough for the truth. It's a bit amusing isn't it?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What if i told you that Verbal intercourse is optional?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you have to ask, you aren't ready to talk about it.

 

Most of the comments here will be along the lines of STFU, and rightfully so. However, if you eventually get to the point where you are the undisputed captain you can start talking about it.

 

My wife is appalled at modern feminism, hates the way Hollywood portrays men, and us scared for the generation of feminized boys our son is growing up with. But this comes after YEARS of her willing total submission to my leadership.

 

You need to have years of proven solid leadership before ever broaching the subject or it will blow up in your face.

 

Again, if you need to ask you are nowhere close to ready.

[–]RedPillCoach0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you have to ask, you aren't ready to talk about it.

This is the best answer.

[–]Reach180Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't talk politics with anyone.

It's like gossiping, but not as productive.

[–]Bedtimeshine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You could try not talking about politics and actually not giving 2 fucks about politics at all. It’s just reality tv for 30+ Year old white dudes. Being political is about the worse personality trait someone can have. It’s worse then a grown man being on a Snapchat or instagram.

[–]officerkondo1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've been married 17 years and I barely know my wife's political views about anything. All I can tell you is she is generally socially conservative. What do you get out of discussing politics with your wife?

[–]mrpthrowa1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This i don't understand. There is this current of people wanting to have "deep intellectual discussions" with their mates. It's like trying to fly a car. they are not made for that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was in the same boat. We never discussed politics and didn't even go to polling places together. I was surprised that we actually have many similar political views without even discussing them.

[–]alphasixfour0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I get it. Love arguing. I have all kinds of brilliant political theories and an understanding of world and American politics that makes me more informed than 99% of my social group. Guess what I realized?

No one gives a fuck.

u/SteelToeShitKicker is absolutely right. The only way to preach is by living it. Your words, without your frame, do nothing.

People will come to you, including your wife, for your opinions when your frame and actions dictates you are someone worth seeking advice from.

I used to get all involved in political debates. Now my political philosophy can be boiled down to: Wake me up when it's time to start shooting.

Yes I still have my opinions, yes I vote. and as my frame grows I get to AA and use AM on others when it comes to politics.

Until then, STFU

[–]RelativeJellyfish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A lady in the street but a slut in the bed. That's all that we really want. That's what they really want too, it's just not wise to tell them.

There are multiple realities out there. Each of us are multifaceted, too. RP is best left unsaid. It sounds like your political banter should be left unsaid too.

Don't you think you would be more attractive if she "knew" you had androcentric (male-dominate) political views but hardly let it surface. I'm not saying bottle it in, but be more confident in your own thoughts/political leanings that its not worthwhile discussing, that you wouldn't be pulled into an argument.

It all comes back to frame, and you sir, need to STFU.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Total STFU will make you seem butthurt or autistic. Preface it with something along the lines of, "Oh, I've heard of that. I think that philosophy is reserved for single women."

Let her stew on that one for awhile.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why would you want to talk politics with her? What do you hope to accomplish?

[–]downvotesanimals0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't go too far into politics. With anyone, in my opinion.

It's very difficult to change people's minds on this, and only makes you look like a blubbering argumentative tool.

At most, a quip here and there. Keep your cool. You're confident in your opinions and don't need to argue.

[–]Glennus6260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly she sounds way to invested in her lifestyle and nonsensical philosophical belief system for you to ever do anything but disagree on everything.

This is the type of woman who will not consult you about an abortion, believes any children you have should be asked for consent b4 changing their diapers, will have no hesitation claiming rape because she later regrets the sex. This is the woman who will introduce you to the business end of a strap on, and inspire you to write a buzzfeed article titled "why I am straight, but still enjoy performing fellatio on my wife's boyfriend". Run, don't walk, to the nearest exit.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am going to give you a slightly different take, but beware it works for me for a particular reason as follows:

Mrs Simba and I both studied biology together. The animal kingdom is rife with male domination, fucking rife, can't be ignored. There are many MANY times, I remind her of how things are "in the wild". She knows I am right. It doesn't actually change her stance on many issues but the cold hard facts of "hunter/gatherer" and "spread seed / nuture" drive home the point that whilst we live in a social just / equality / feminist world, our own biology screams a different structure. Societies structure favours the female, biology favours the male. Its all captured in the sidebar theory, without the biology tags. If you drill down, RP sexual strategy is founded on evolutionary biology. Survival of the fittest.

It was only the other night I told her that society and biology were conflicted when it came to sexual frequency / expectations. She delivered. (sure, kill me about duty vs desire if you like).

[–]ImSteveMcQueen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

> I tease her about her victim complex and she goes completely ballistic

So ? Let her go ballistic. Are you changing your opinion to spare her feelings ? I hope not.

[–]BobbyPeru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t

[–]RedPillCoach0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The most basic Red Pill rule is you don't talk about RAPE with women.

-Religion

-Abortion

-Politics

-Economics

[–]PersaeusRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

what about rape itself, is that good or bad

asking for a friend

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

she goes completely ballistic

this is when your supposed to laugh and walk away with a satisfied smile. launch complete

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Hey, bitch, you're voting for Trump! If you don't, no more of this prime dick for you!"

[–]friendandadvisor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think that you should talk to her about it the same way that you talk hydraulic mining to the guy behind the counter at McDonald's.



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