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Guess sometimes there's just a go plan

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February 28, 2018
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I was trying, after all the advice I received from this thread that my next post would be the start of my OYS, two months into MRP (in two weeks) instead of this victim puke..

Yesterday however, the wife had a "talk" with me that shattered whatever little frame I had developed and sent me down a spiral of WTF am I to do now. Revisited was the fact that although attracted to me ("I'm cute") , there's a lack of sexual physical attraction towards me and the physical sex has always left her wanting something more ("just good enough at best").. This sets me up in a mental position that I know the go plan is the only plan, however that mentality hurts as I do love her, and there's 4 Lil ones involved..

I had plans to move us out of state she claimed still willing to come with. She does love me as well and from a text conversation I saw on her phone she's putting the relationship above her increasing hypergamy ("If I ever feel like its so bad I want to cheat on him, which I don't, I'll rather tell him we should separate").. However in that same conversation ("sometimes I feel like a terrible wife because I wonder if someone could maybe sweep me away from him").

I'm continuing on my MAP and journey but with this information I feel I should absolutely make any and all plans to get where I need to be comfortable to kill the puppy.. I don't think she will.. I asked why even stay together let's just call it a good run? I was given 2 reasons

1- "I absolutely love you, I honestly can't see myself with another husband other then you, I just can't bring myself to desire you to the level you expect, I'm sorry I can't control it but remember sometimes it just clicks and I do desire you" interpretation to me is (I'm her beta bux, she appreciates that and gets overly horny so takes her only current option)

2-"I have always been selfish you know that, my parents spoil me to this day. I don't want to ruin us and end up alone because I'm selfish about wanting this lust, I'm afraid of being alone. I also know you'll move on and I couldn't bare to see that, it would destroy me to just think of you and someone else." (I'm her security blanket, and she's acknowledging her own hysterical bounding subconsciously)

I feel I deserve better, but my beta mentality wants to believe her, that it may get better.. That we should keep trying..I'm still working on me, I think we will last at most another year which also gives me time to continue to work on me.

Tl; Dr Wife struggling with lack of physical sexual attraction and most likely satisfaction. She wants to keep trying.. I feel I deserve a partner with desire, but 4 kids complicate things even more. I'm not ready to go, for multiple reasons (finance and working on myself) but I like to plan ahead. Might last another year at best.


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Title Guess sometimes there's just a go plan
Author BasidiomycetousGuy
Upvotes 8
Comments 60
Date 28 February 2018 02:56 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/204761
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/80wm43/guess_sometimes_theres_just_a_go_plan/
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[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy

I was trying, after all the advice I received from this thread that my next post would be the start of my OYS, two months into MRP (in two weeks) instead of this victim puke..

Two months isn't shit. Why are you having these conversations? Why are you expecting results? You are what is wrong with society. You touch iron and want to post to instagram that they did curls with a pair of 10lb weights. Then you hop on tinder with your 10lb curl selfie in the gym bathroom mirror, and wonder why the bitches aren't lined up to suck your dick.

Two months is maybe enough to get a gym membership lined up, a gym bag, find the locker room, do something stupid in the gym and hurt yourself and then realize that your diet is also shit.

I feel I deserve better

No one deserves shit in this life maggot. If you were to go out on the street, could you do better than your wife after you big two months of MRP? Probably not, you would end up with your dick in your hand at the end of the night. No numbers, no one to follow up with.

Have a great day!

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I know two months aren't shit, I wouldn't expect more then to hold a conversation for a few minutes if I went out tonight. And because I see myself as who I am and better yet can be, I do deserve desire from my partner.

I'm still learning about all the ins and outs of being disconnected. My concern is if her words are true and it is a physical flaw in her perception of me, am I wasting my time not putting money aside and learning about Co-parenting options, Etc..

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

My concern is if her words are true and it is a physical flaw in her perception of me, am I wasting my time not putting money aside and learning about Co-parenting options, Etc..

So, what if it's true, that she's not attracted to you? Maybe you are a fat fuck. Maybe you are a scary skelly.

My problem with all this is you act like you have no agency. The whole MRP philosophy is about being attractive. So be attractive, and someone will be attracted to you. Maybe it will even be your wife.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re wasting time not doing both!

Embracing MRP is not an option unless you plan to give up totally and go MGTOW. In that case, go away and don’t come back.

You still here?

Then commit to the program.

Completely.

Or you will fail.

Completely.

[–]Alphaphux1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her words will never be true, nor will your next girl who "loves you for who you really are"...

[–]-DiscoStu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do deserve desire from my partner.

No. No you don't. She doesn't deserve desire from you if she gained 200lbs either. You can't negotiate desire. It's there or it isn't You can't force yourself to desire someone no matter what you do. She's being honest with you and that is an amazing thing. She's actually a quality women to admit that and your job is to build that desire. She doesn't want to branch swing, but you acting all butt hurt and feeling that you deserve it isn't gonna help you. Perhaps you should leave, but not because of this. This is should be taken as truth. You have serious flaws. Get in shape mentally and physically.

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And because I see myself as who I am and better yet can be, I do deserve desire from my partner.

How did I miss this?

No one sees the you that you could be. People only see you as the person you are. Your potential doesn't mean shit. You think that crack whore under the bridge doesn't have potential? You think anyone gives two fucks? No.

I don't know how I was so light on you in my earlier response.

[–]DanG30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

“I do deserve desire from my partner.”

Where the fuck did you read that on this, or any RP, sub?” Do tell.

[–]resolutions31613 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sounds like literally nothing has changed, other than your hurt feelings.

I've been there. It sucks. Fortunately, you can use that to fuel your progress.

You're going to be doing literally the exact same things. Looking better, expanding your social life, expanding your savings, improving your career.

Good news is that now you can move past secretly wanting your wife to come around (my own personal weakness) and get straight to living your own god damned life.

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree with you, and maybe I'm being defensive by adding the only change is 2 months ago when I found MRP it was her that wanted out I wanted to stay, now it seems like its more me that wants to go and she's asking me to stay.

[–]-DiscoStu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Then its working. But don't throw away what you have. You're still new here and the grass isn't always greener.

[–]ReturnOfTheSwing11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Attraction is not a choice. She's not attracted because you're not attractive. No amount of negotiating will change this.

Act, don't talk.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

To start with, there are a lot of good signs here. The fact that you are getting solid communication (even if cryptic) from your wife is a good thing. She sounds like she does have a desire to be a good wife for you, she needs you to show her how.

I feel I deserve a partner with desire

Oh really? WTF do you feel that way? Does the world owe you something? Hell the fuck no do you "deserve" anything. In this world you deserve what you earn for yourself.

From what I can tell you have an admittedly horny wife who does loveTM you and desperately wants you to be the man she can desire. From this and past posts I can see that you are like a vaginal desiccant.

Triple down on working to improve yourself and improve your role as a leader in the family. That is the ONLY way. Of course she is excited by school-yard Chad. For 5 minutes at a time anybody can seem exotic, interesting and fun. When she comes home to you she gets guilt, stress and resentment.

Have you ever had a cat? Do you know how to get it to come around? Chasing after it screaming "play with me" is sure as fuck not how you do it. Being independently interesting, exciting, and attractive is how you get that pussy to come to you.

Bottom line, the sex is SECONDARY. It is a byproduct of you improving yourself and you becoming somebody that excites her again. Based on what I'm seeing I wouldn't suggest that you move towards separation yet, instead use this opportunity to keep improving yourself. Worst case is in 6 months you are now a more attractive and more interesting man ready to take on the world.

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely plan to continue working on the only thing I know for a fact I can improve, myself. As I have been making this transition she does seem more engaging, but still very sexually distant. I'm not expecting instant results, just looking at it from a perspective of it not being a character flaw on my end..

[–]abdadaRed Beret2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy

While I think her words may be true right now, I think she can be redeemed but I personally can't imagine even bothering after painful cutting words like that.

I'd say...Go Plan. The kids will do better if they see a happy dad with options. They'll come around to it, but you need to be happy and content with your life and choices and the outcomes you experience -- so they can see it.

An unhappy sexless dad will only cause them harm.

Cut spending massively. Get that side hustle going. Talk to a divorce lawyer about what your best options are. Keep logs of everything you do for/with the kids (don't tell wife you keep logs).

Just curious -- after 4 kids, is your wife hot enough to pull higher SMV guys than you?

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I bet I could pull a higher smv guy than my wife.

[–]abdadaRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Was on a cruise with my cute gal around Christmas and naturally some hawk was chomping on her when I was on the other side of the ship on the surf simulator. Later on he comes and sits at our table when he sees her and introduces himself and then for the next 9 days he followed me around like a puppy dog and ignored her completely.

He actually calls me. On my phone. Every week.

Wish he tried harder to pick her up so I could pay more attention to my poor surfing skills, that guy was a terrible distraction the rest of the cruise.

Reminder to self: act like a retard.

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy

Funny you say this, it's actually one of her concerns she brought up.. "nobody wants a lady with 4 kids, and her tubes tied at this age, at best I'll get used and I don't want that again"..

I think she's a 7 physically, 6 after getting to really know her flaws.. However physically I'm a 6 myself (her words "I could see you getting a girl wondering what the fuck was wrong with me? You're amazing, a 7 minimum all the way, including what you're packing, but for me it's just not completely there") and the last year I been a wreck so that didn't help at all.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

"nobody wants a lady with 4 kids, and her tubes tied at this age, at best I'll get used and I don't want that again"..

and you consider this your win condition?

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This honestly made me laugh out loud.. Thanks for the perspective..

[–]abdadaRed Beret3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

Damn that is awesome. A man who is a 6 at his worst is going to be an 8 in no time. 1 year if you push yourself, 2 years if you give it a decent try. A woman who is a 6 after the swimming pool test might become a 5.5 or even a 4.5 in two years even if she pushes herself -- unless she has a guy who is an 8 to keep her subconsciously working towards being better for him.

You're in a great position if you play your cards right and you should feel GOOD about it. You have a choice now. You can become the happy-go-lucky single dad with 4 kids who get super pumped that they're with dad that weekend and other weekends you're spinning young plates who look up to you, or you can be married dad with 4 kids with a wife who can't believe the change but now knows she has to do whatever it takes to keep up to secure you forever.

You can't go lower at this point, not if you look at this shit clearly and throw the emotional crap in the trash. Not only do you have this, but you have two awesome options/directions.

[–]Reject4441 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

What's the "swimming pool test"?

[–]abdadaRed Beret2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

What's the "swimming pool test"?

Dad told me when I brought a girl home (I was 14 or so) to not trust her beauty until a day at the swimming pool or lake shore.

Dad was right.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

the old stress test. camping works well too.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

camping works well too.

Yes, my old goto. Camping get's it real clear fast....

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't get it. Can you explain it like I have downs?

[–]abdadaRed Beret3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

The pool judges what her makeup and fashion do to her SMV.

Most women lose 1-2 points after the pool test.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm telling my boy this when he's older. Nice one.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's brilliant!

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Awesome way of looking at it, I'm still new and operating under her frame and seeking validation. Need to start OYS for more input and perspective like this.

[–]abdadaRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm just jealous that you have little kids to practice overhead presses on. Picture yourself when they're 13 and you can OHP them -- that's male SMV right there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

(her words "I could see you getting a girl wondering what the fuck was wrong with me? You're amazing, a 7 minimum all the way, including what you're packing, but for me it's just not completely there")

OK, so if she is saying this, or words to this effect, you are going to be sexually attractive to someone out there, even if you're not to her.

The reason the problem is there is that she's a 7 and you're a 6. Her SMV is higher than yours, and you both know it. That's the problem right there.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

4 kids? Having 17.5" biceps is nice, but at this point in her life she is more worried about a stable man, and one that is not a complete POS.

It is her emotional assessment of you that is drying up her vagina, not the fact that you probably cant even bench 1 plate.

If she is not rejecting sex - then WTF is your problem? Don't like the Starfish sex? OK, do something to change how she FEELZ about you.

My wife at one point - when I was at my lowest told me she didnt love me and wanted a divorce. Guess what? I still fuck her however I want to, because I fixed my shit in like 6 weeks.

You going to sit here and tell us that you cant fix yourself in a year? Are you that weak, or do you just want to be a faggot?

Are you going to sit here and tell us that you are such a pussy, that you are so worried about your wife not being "satisfied" with sex, that you are going to stop?

Just get your nut off and STFU. It is not her job to rip your pants off and drop down to her knees all the time. You have to MAN THE FUCK up and Kino her, and make her juices flow.

You talk to fucking much. You talk to much in this post, and you talk to much IRL. If you want to divorce her then do it. Talking about it just shows how fucking weak you are.

What is your MAP? I am far to UN-invested in your pitiful excuse of a life to look thru your post history to find out, so enlighten us. All this post talks about is another bullshit Shit test that you clearly failed.

You are two fucking months into fixing your broken pair of balls. What do you want? Anal 3 days a week?

How about you give yourself the time, put in the effort and come back in 6-8 months with a real update, rather than looking for and hoping for validation from us.

Success takes much longer to produce than failure.

Now STFU and go to work.

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Only that she is rejecting sex most of the time now. But Yeah, I know.. all I can say... I'm working on it, thanks for the kick in the ass.

[–]Alpha_Engineer995 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

It was a shit test and you failed.

“ she loves me” - She doesn’t love you. Have you done any homework? She only loves the way you make her feelz and the resources you provide. There is no unconditional love. It’s all conditional.

You should have AA the fuck out of this. You actually sat there and listened to this ? Ha

Keep improving, 1 month for every year you were a pussy. At the end of that timeframe, then decide if she adds any value to YOUR life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

She only loves the way you make her feelz and the resources you provide.

FIFY.

[–]Chump_No_More0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually, no. You didn't. He's right, you're wrong.

Women want two things and they're diametrically opposed. They want the roller coaster and they want to feel safe. It's all about the feelz. It's the man's job to provide the proper balance of excitement and comfort.

If you're not up for this, then don't play the game.

[–]ImSteveMcQueen2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

As far as I am concerned, this is just a big shit test and you've failed miserably.

First off, why are you discussing her attraction to you ? Did you go through 10 levels of dread and you are FM or FU ? If not then all this talk is just engaging her hampster. You don't negotiate attraction. You don't discuss it. It just is, what it is. If you aren't happy about her level of attraction, do something about it, but talking isn't it.

I feel I deserve better, but my beta mentality wants to believe her, that it may get better.. That we should keep trying..I'm still working on me, I think we will last at most another year which also gives me time to continue to work on me.

WTF, dude ? The stay plan is the same as the go plan. Quit trying to earn her validation and get to work. Of course it hurts when a woman shoots you down. The real question is, why are you asking her for validation in the first place ? Wanna feel good about yourself ? Go test your game elsewhere.

Revisited was the fact that although attracted to me ("I'm cute") , there's a lack of sexual physical attraction towards me and the physical sex has always left her wanting something more ("just good enough at best")

If a woman ever said this to me, I'd be escalating the bedroom sexual dynamic like crazy. You've read the Sex God Method, right ?

You don't judge a woman by what she says. You judge her by what she does. So far this woman is just giving you a heads up that she needs more. The question is, how are you going to respond ?

Might last another year at best.

Based on what ? Your history ? WTF would happen to this relationship if you upped your SMV by 3 points and stopped acting like a pussy ?

I feel I deserve a partner with desire

You don't deserve anything. Neither do I. You get what you got coming to you and if you don't, you change things so that you do. Thinking you deserve something is covert. You initiate and you get. Either you are happy with what you get or you aren't and you act accordingly. You can't change her. You can't negotiate what she gives you. She judges you how she sees fit and responds accordingly. You don't like it ? Do something. Wanna bet you'll have the same problem with your next partner ?

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

As far as I am concerned, this is just a big shit test and you've failed miserably.

Shit tests are a way of confirming her vagina isn't wet from a false flag opertaion.

There is shit here, but it isn't the test

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Damn McQueen, I see your point. I still have extreme work to do, and have not read SGM just MMSLP, MAP, and finishing up NMMNG .

I am obviously taking her words too personally, it stings and I'm looking at it from the angle that if the physical isn't there what's the point, let's move on. Her actions do somewhat match what is being said too.. Most of the time it's no thanks, maybe once a week she's into me and I can see it in her actions..

I think I'll go out this Friday night with a couple friends and try to grow my abundance mentality without cheating..

[–]ImSteveMcQueen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm glad to hear you understand.

Don't give a fuck what she says. If she didn't care and wasn't invested, she would be gone already. This is just a shot across the bow, hoping to spur you into action.

So get the fuck going. Forget about gaming women. You have work to do first. You are gaming for validation and that is a bad sign. First step is to read BPProf's Saving a Low Sex Marriage.

And stop feeling sorry for yourself. Nobody is going to feel sorry for you and feeling sorry for yourself doesn't get anything done. The only solution is to acknowledge the situation, develop an action plan and get to work. Period, end of story. No short cuts. You have a ton of work to do on frame. Do you lift ? You need to read and reread every book in the sidebar. And, btw, MMSLP is good, but only borderline RP. Your woman sounds like she needs a bit more than that.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wife struggling with lack of physical sexual attraction and most likely satisfaction.

There are some examples here, such as /u/sh0ckley, who have turned even this around. The stay plan remains the go plan, but don't presume failure of the former before you even begin.

[–]BasidiomycetousGuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is where I remained blind to the possibility. I will add his journey to my list of must reads. Thank you for the reference

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

the wife had a "talk" with me that shattered whatever little frame I had

the bullshit you convinced yourself you had.

Frame isn't something you have, it's who you are.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3t65ba/we_need_to_talk_and_other_ways_of_controlling_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7zaana/the_talk_is_socially_retarded_do_not_tolerate_it/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4rv9zc/by_the_time_youve_had_the_talk_shes_already/

You just got friend zoned, and she proceeded to blame anyone but herself for everything, and you crumbled like a bitch. then you double down on beta behaviours, as per the norm.

Done LARPING yet? ready to take it seriously?

I feel I deserve better

No you don't. If you did, you'd have done something about it. And now that someone used the word 'beta' you are latching to it like the door off the titanic.

Beta means relationship comfort, I don't get the impression that she is experiencing comfort, more like an exit strategy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

OP, you are very fortunate. As I've read through all the comments to your post, you have gotten some of the best advice that MERPS have to offer here.

My only add is based on the stay/go plan. Either way, you understand that your actions are the same. By delaying the "go plan", you get the benefit of getting time to work on yourself, while you see her reactions to it. She has a lot to lose but she still isn't attracted to you. Maybe you have to some work to do to be more attractive before you go (if you do). She's your lab partner here, time to experiment on your terms, and she appears to be willing.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah - I'm always surprised how charitable MRP is to guys who are clearly so fucking lazy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

No doubt, we're all givers here./s Which isn't much of a self compliment.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Speak for yourself. Most of my comments are an attempt to learn something. Even my troll comments.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

you missed the /s part...fixed

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You Can teach an old dog new trick!

[–]maxofreddit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you deserved better/more, you'd be getting it. You don't.

My advice (in addition to the great stuff here you've gotten already), STFU and get to work. Every time you feel like talking, about anything, DON'T.

PS. WTF are your bench, squat, and deadlift numbers? What's your mile time?

Until you have at LEAST 5 reps of bodyweight bench, squat, and 1/5x deadlift as well as a 7 minute mile, don't you fucking dare bitch about her not being attracted to you, you're just unattractive. To anyone. Regardless of your "abundance mentality." It's not a character flaw, it's a putting in the work flaw.

Instead of going out with your friends, do THIS workout at whatever weights you can manage (don't fucking hurt yourself), and report back your weights and time.

On the upside, if she's willing to fuck you at a 6, in a year things will get better if you can actually sweep her off her feet because you're not a fucking weakling.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've upvoted nearly every reply in here. You are getting good advice.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He words mean nothing, what do her actions tell you? That's the message.

My wife tells me she loves me and she has sex with me whenever I approach. However she's Luke warm about the idea and her vagina is dry as fuck and takes a while to get going.

That's the message. Dry vagina, mo enthusiasm. No desire, no arousal.

Did you read the texts on her phone? Did your hamster make you do that?

[–]dcapt461 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shes not attracted to you and sex isn't good. This is no surprise, these go together. Do the work. Get fit/muscular/attractive. You will find it funny how the sex will improve as you do.

You are lucky that she has realized that her SMV(options) is going down while yours is stagnant (or going up if you improve yourself). She realizes that she has few options but dreams of them. So she is unlikely to jump ship unless you do something really stupid or go full beta and put on 50lbs. But she is not attracted to you - boo hoo. No one else is either so fix it.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok BasicIdiotGuy, here’s the deal.

In the ocean of your life, you are drowning. The Captain of the ship jumped overboard. Now your stomach is full of water, you’re starting to aspirate water, and it looks like another wave is about to crash down on you.

Those of us on shore have seen this shit before and we’ve thrown you a life ring(MRP). All you have to do is quit trying to learn how to swim while you’re drowning and grab the fucking life ring. Trust us.

Memorize the levels of dread and follow them to the letter.

And read the last post put up by u/ParadoxThatDrivesUs about nutrition. I believe it is seminal and should be added to the sidebar. It shuts down 75% of the noobs saying, “I lift, I read, I STFU...why won’t she fuck meeeeeeeee?”

Forget the wife. She’s a distraction.

The stay plan and the go plan are still the SAME FUCKING PLAN. Saying it’s only a go-plan is like trying to exercise without diet to get in shape.

Your wife WILL become more attracted to you when you become....

More Attractive.

Don’t quit. Don’t stop. And for the love of all that is MRP,

DONT DO IT FOR HER!!

Do it for yourself.

IF she likes it, Great.

If NOT, someone else will.

Doesn’t fucking matter.

You love her? How do you know? Do you have options, choices, abundance?

Or are you just a fearful, sniveling quivering mass of self doubt?

Is that how she sees you?

Get your shit together.

Quit trying to learn how to swim while you’re drowning.

Grab the fucking life ring and embrace MRP for what it is, or...

GTFO.

If you have legitimate fucking questions about something you’ve read or applied,

askMRP.

But stop this 15yo lovesick bullshit.

Man the fuck up.

Your wife is inconsequential to this process, and until you embrace THAT, you will continue to fail.

In your next post, don’t mention your wife.

This is ALL ABOUT YOU.

Now STFU and,

GET BACK TO WORK.

[–]donedreadpirateRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

An idea. Go start flirting heavily with other women. Go way out of your way to flirt with a retarded number of women. Make it part of your MAP. Get really comfortable with the idea of fucking other women. See if you can make it happen. Whether you actually go through with it is another story.

[–]2235520 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your wife wants a man that she will be attracted to, AND she IS giving you chance after chance to do it... Instead you are letting your ego and hamster run around telling you " I feel I deserve better....I feel I deserve a partner with desire"

Stop fantasizing about what you deserve... You deserve nothing, from no one. This will sting, but you will get over it.

You are pretty early on, and some of this mental changes take a long time to sink in. Many men (including myself) start off with mentality that we should be getting this, and that because we work, support family etc. The truth is, no one appreciates it.

Keep working on yourself, ultimately that is the only thing you have control over. Also, you may have read it takes about 1 month for every year of marriage.

Keep reading, keep improving, identify your weaknesses and work on them, do more things for yourself, start living a life that you want.

[–]Captain_pants40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The fact that your wife is being positively introspective is a great thing. This is a long road and most of us don’t/didn’t have the luxury of a woman that actually wanted the same outcome. Ignore her and get to work filling up your time. The desire will come back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If your wife is saying these things to you, these are direct quotes, you have a rare wife who is actually honest with you and saying these things directly to your face. She's not sexually attracted to you and probably never will be, no matter how much you improve.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This woman has 4 kids. Her SMV has dropped like a stone. Yours should be much higher than hers now but she doesn't realize that yet.

Start acting like it and I bet all your problems will be solved.

Once the sex ramps up slightly read Sex God Method.

Never, ever forget that when a woman says something, anything, she means to put the workds "Right now I feel" before whatever is said.

Right now I feel you are barely attractive enough for me to bang.

Right now I want to keep my family together.

Right now I think that slamming into the wall, having 4 kids and an ex-husband, and a plenty of mileage on the hamster won't make any difference and I can still bang the hot guys I banged before settling for my husband.



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