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[question] [anger] how to deal with BluePills?

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October 13, 2017
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I will not pretend to be a RedPill yet, and not even a PurplePill; maybe just a redder shade of Blue..

However, since reading NMMNG and since I started taking responsibility for my own actions and shit, I get really frustrated with my former BluePill colleagues and friends. Everywhere I look, men are hiding behind shitty excuses to explain away why they haven't done this, or why they haven't yet started on that.

 

My brother-in-law, for example, I just want to break his legs. A year ago we were best friends but since I discovered MRP, he really grinds on my nerves. He can't stop talking about his children (like I care his one-year-old son pooped himself while rolling over for the first time), can't stop seek validation (look how good I cooked this recipe for you) and won't stand up to his wife (except when the pressure gets to much, he then explodes, yells some excuses and then won't talk to her for several hours).. [yes, he clearly is the woman in the relationship].

My colleague, for example, I just want to beat him with heavy clubs and leave him bleeding in the moonlight. This is his third year in IT and he still doesn't know how to change a toner in a printer (really!). He hides behind the fact this is all new material for him, and how he needs time to get worked in... He is also a classic beta bluepill who can not express his anger, swallows his feelings and likes being pushed around. He is a punchball that takes all hits (screaming wife on the phone, screaming employees in the office) without even pushing back. But the passive anger he radiates is really scary. If only he would react once..

My boss, for example, I just want to smash him across the face repeatedly with a piece of heavy mining equipment. He is afraid to tell his employees what they should do better but instead hides in office and sends mails out with action points, focus groups, extra meetings and inspirational quotes. The employee who yells the loudest gets his way, unless someone else goes in after him and also starts yelling. There is no vision, no roadmap, no long time strategy; just putting out fires by trying to please everyone and by such: no-one

 

And I am sitting here, looking around baffled, asking myself why and getting really really angry. Not that I want to redknight them because they all seem to be lost cases anyway. But I get so angry that they won't take responsibility for their marriage / work / employees / life. I get angry they won't stand up for themselves and by doing so, making life better for everyone around them.

And because of that anger, I am even less fun to be around than I used to. Because they grind my nerves, because I resent them for being weak, because I can't fake that nothing has changed for me.

 

Will I ever get over this anger-phase? Or is this the toll one pays for unplugging? Will I ever be able to talk normally to them again?

And if you want to know why I care -> because I feel right now, I could do better (for me). I don't care what they think of me but these are people I can't really get around. They are forced into my life and there are moments when I can't hide from them. Those moments at least, I should be able to be at least pleasant and fun, and not ready to lash out verbally at any moment...


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Title [question] [anger] how to deal with BluePills?
Author SimilarSalvation
Upvotes 7
Comments 72
Date 13 October 2017 10:24 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/205278
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[–]thunderbeyond10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Its because you were just like them in the past. You demonstrated those same characteristics. But now you look back in disgust and contempt because they are reflections of where you came from. Theirs is a place you must never go back to.

I've been there, that point when you start looking at people and interactions through a new lens. You rightly know that you can't bring them with you. Save your energy for you.

Think of them as the daily reminders of what faggotry is. The daily reminders of who not to be.

But more so, show them how a proper man should act - and demonstrate through your words and actions who a man is. You will stand tall and shade them every. fucking. single. day.

[–]black_jack_davy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. It's akin to embarassment, the emotion from which there is nowhere to hide. You're acting out against yourself, your past self, your potential faggyness still lying latent within until it's burnt out of you.

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But more so, show them how a proper man should act - and demonstrate through your words and actions who a man is.

Acta, non verba - capiche!

You will stand tall and shade them every. fucking. single. day.

I like how you applied the analogy of being an oak to this "problem"also..

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret7 points8 points  (14 children) | Copy

I am left wondering why I read this post and the title of another where people are amazed we were right.

Here's a hint. We already know. But fuck it. The anger phase is important to talk about.

No you never get over it. Not really. Sure there will be some here that say they turn it into something like energy or desire to work harder....whatever. There's no way you can turn a negative emotion positive. What you are really doing is using it to remind yourself where you came from and where you don't want to go back to. What you are really doing, by using anger to fuel your workout and such, is that you are running and trying to work hard enough to exhaust yourself so that the emotion has run it's course and you did not give in to it.

 

At worst you are just running from the anger until leaves. The best I can say is that you put it in a box and seal it up. Don't deal with it. Who can? why would you? That anger represents a side that you didn't know existed and now find abhorrent. Dealing with it means you revisit that old beta existence.

 

So I ask why? Why go back there? Put it away, lock it in box, and if it gets out recognize it for what it is and don't give in to it. You can feel anger just don't be angry. There's a difference. If you enter into a business contract with someone and they fail to live up to their end and the contract is terminated do you revisit why? Do you go over and over it again and again. No. You move on. You treat the next one with a little more caution and a whole lot more experience, but you still move on. What you do not do is lord over the new contractor for the failings of the other.

 

A sergeant I serve with told me some great advice in dealing with memories of combat. I asked how he dealt with the things he had seen and done. He asked why deal with it? Who could? Counselors have no idea what I have seen, he said, what gives them the right to talk to me about it. You lock it in a box. You never open the box.

 

That advice has served me well. I apply it here. Why? Why deal with it. There is no dealing with it. That emotion or any have no right to dictate me. Who I am. It's a chemical reaction to stimulus nothing more. It is not me.

 

The large issue with men who allow the anger to overwhelm them is that they have not yet learned how to deal with their emotions. Which is a beta trait. You are still giving in. Still wanting the world to see the injustice done to you. Fact is the world DGAF. I don't GAF. Women DGAF. Accept it. A man's lot is the hardest because there are very few if any one that will give two shits about your emotions. Some one may ask but they are asking because they just want to know that you are strong so they can come to you.

 

IF you emote to your woman after she asks you are just confirming her Solipsism, in that everyone feels the way she does. She would never suspect that you are in deed having a great day. .

I should be able to be at least pleasant and fun, and not ready to lash out verbally at any moment...

Ok. Then do that.

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

I am left wondering why I read this post and the title of another where people are amazed we were right. Here's a hint. We already know. But fuck it. The anger phase is important to talk about.

If MRP were a religion, I would be studying to become high supreme lord arch chancellor.. I do believe "its teachings", I do know you already know

 

No you never get over it.

Sucks :)

What you are really doing is using it to remind yourself where you came from. [..] So I ask why? Why go back there? Put it away, lock it in box and if it gets out recognize it for what it is

Solid advice.

I will try to cope with it, try not to let it surface and recognize it for what it is: a reminder of my former Blue Pill self, an emotion that tries to pull be me back into my old frame. Because I should be an oak, have a solid frame and don't care about the betaness of others...

The large issue with men who allow the anger to overwhelm them is that they have not yet learned how to deal with their emotions. Which is a beta trait. You are still giving in. Still wanting the world to see the injustice done to you.

I am still learning to deal with the new me and his new emotions. But somehow I don't feel I am angry because of the past injustice.

Sure I am angry because they remind me of blue me, but I am mostly angry I have to waste my time and energy on those excuses of a man, who can't stop babbling about his infant, shitty wife, new-age action plan or tv-show they saw... I'd rather watch fly fuck than have to spend time in their presence, and smile and nod and ...

 

I'll have to find an equilibrium between NGAF and being "the best version of myself", between "let them standing in my shade (in the long future)" and "remain friendly and calm with them".

 

Thank you for your elaborate answer and advice

[–]gettingmymojobackRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why are you giving more than a fleeting thought to anything or anyone outside your control? Do you know the ONLY thing that is within your control?

Focus on that, rather than running around and being angry about things you have no influence over. Are you angry that a fish is a fish?

You have way too many fucks to give if people living their lives in a manner that is different from yours causes you actual anger. You have no influence on their lives, why are you letting them influence yours?

If anything you should be thankful that you have tools at your disposal that they do not as this only serves as an advantage to you.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

If MRP were a religion, I would be studying to become high supreme lord arch chancellor.

Well Hell, that would make me and Stoney Cardinals, Rollo the Pope, and /u/thefamilyalpha a real life Martin Luther.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

I am gonna go be Judas the Jew.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’ve gathered that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hah, not the only one

[–]bogeyd6Mod / Red Militia0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Probably should stop with the jew jokes here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meh. my people.

I dont get offended easy.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you absolutely must LARP me into this, I can nail a piece of paper on the door and 'nope' the fuck out.

thats all you're gonna get

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Say 10 Hail Rollos and try again tomorrow my son.

[–]sh0ckley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hail Rollos hahaha classic.

[–]straius0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The route out of anger is acceptance. The better you are able to accept the reality of their ways without stewing on thoughts like "it's not right" or "they're contributing to the problem" the less anger you will have.

Once you can accept their state of mind and move past struggling or wanting to change it, you will stop feeling anger about it. It is what it is because it's how it is right now.

What you can do to change it is lead by example. And the curious ones who get a glimmer that you figured something out that might apply to their lives will seek you out.

You can't red knight in any direct manner. A person who wants their head in the sand will do you no favors and curse you for complicating their world if you try to take a direct hand. You will become the target of their resentment because they weren't ready to give themselves a hard look and you are a convenient scapegoat to further distract themselves from a crippling dose of self honesty.

Same thing with addictions. You just can't do anything to control or directly change other people. You can only lead and hope they get drawn up in your wake.

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What you can do to change it is lead by example. And the curious ones who get a glimmer that you figured something out that might apply to their lives will seek you out.

The Matrix. At the end, Neo didn't go around unplugging people. He didn't yell at them. He simply showed them what it looks like to be free.

[–]BobbyPeru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am left wondering why I read this post and the title of another where people are amazed we were right.

I was to going to read it at all, but it's a slow AMRP day. Pretty much said exactly what I knew it would.

[–]SgtSilverBack6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

I bet how you feel now is how your wife felt the whole marriage up to now.

[–]hystericalbonding2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

LOL

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What is this marriage you keep talking about? :D

 

and mayby, because my LTR is/was pretty solid up to now. I found this subreddit by browsing /r/noFAP to overcome my porn-addiction, not so much because of deadbedroom or shitty shitty test test.

That is not to say I can't learn A L O T from MRP and I now understand why my marriage (12 years ago) failed so miserably: I was a classic nice guy but after my marriage, I went to a very misogynist period in which I incorporated a lot of MRP strategies without even knowing about it.

This subreddit helps me to structure those strategies on a solid theoretic base, helps me OYS and helps me become a real man... And some progress has already been noted by LTR..

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I went to a very misogynist period

you stopped being a floormat. Language is important, it reflects thought.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret8 points9 points  (12 children) | Copy

You're not angry at him. You're angry at him reflecting all the things you're pissed off that you do.

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

You're angry at him reflecting all the things you're pissed off that you do.

Like I wrote somewhere else: this is partly/mainly true. But I am also angry I have to spend time with them while I could be doing better things...

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

And you don't, because...

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

because sometimes there is no way to avoid them. Brother-in-law is godfather of my daughter, I am godfather of his son. I have to be there on those birthday parties, Santa Clause thingies and New Year puke events

I did cut back on a lot (almost all) "mandatory" social obligations but sometimes there is no escape. On those occasion, I have to learn to also be at least sufferable, at most fun to be around. Not for them, but because I feel that MRP is a way of life, not something to switch on and off when you want some nookie.

[–]fuckmrpRed Beret4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

Your frame sucks. You go to your nephew's birthday party for the kid you may be his only access to positive masculinity. Get out of your brother-in-laws frame, who gives a shit what he does?

We hate in others what we fear in ourselves.


I have to learn to also be at least sufferable, at most fun to be around. Not for them, but because I feel that MRP is a way of life, not something to switch on and off when you want some nookie.

This is being reactive to your environment, again shitty frame. Make allowances for family for the right reasons, create boundaries for what you don't want to entertain. Do not allow boundaries to be crossed without consequence. You can't do this if you're not willing to have them not like you... You Nice Guy you...

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

+1. His frame sucks.

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

+1 My frame sucks

and that's why (@question /u/Rian_Stone) I am not ready yet to stay away from these social obligations events. What would happen if I did, would be a major shitstorm from the wife I am not yet qualified to handle or withstand...

This cynical implementation sure is something to look further into.

Because up until now I was just either drinking heavily (before I quit), iFingering my phone (before I decided to leave that at home on social occasions where my LTR is also present) and/or counting the minutes until I could go home and watch TV. Since I swallowed TRP; I mainly was trying not to erupt from anger and/or trying to hide the repulsion from showing on my face.

But like others say: I have to become stoic, I have to focus on me and OMS, not theirs, and I have to find a way to sit through the show while enjoying it.

[–]BirdManBrrrr2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I mainly was trying not to erupt from anger and/or trying to hide the repulsion from showing on my face.

You need to drop this shit immediately. This is classic low value, holier-than-thou garbage that will do nothing but leave you ostracized and alone while you stew in some air of faux superiority. Classic Nice Guy behavior. This is the antithesis of what you want to become.

You should be the man people gravitate towards, men and women alike. Fill in the blanks on the personality traits and disposition of what that should be...it certainly isn't anger and misery. Many of us have been there and have become very alone as a result.

Skimmed your post history and you have some very legitimate reasons to be angry, I don't blame you one bit. Realize, however, that path leads nowhere good and you need an extremely high sense of self awareness to work through the anger, grief, depression, whatever. Find a way to drop the external focus and turn it inward; the time you're spending being mad at the outside world is energy that isn't being used to improve yourself. Keep that in mind the next time you're contemplating violence with mining equipment.

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for your reaction.

It is because I was feeling going into the wrong direction, I asked this question. I do not want to be angry with them, I do not want to be disgusted by them, I do not want to feel superior.

So thank you for the warning and the good advice.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Just try it

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I will

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have to be there on those birthday parties, Santa Clause thingies and New Year puke events

Why? What happens if you don't? Walk me through the consequences you are so averse to getting? I really don't understand them.

If it's truly something that you can't avoid, or don't want to because [reason] then what techniques have you used? Have you tried cynical implementation?

[–]straius0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You really don't have to do any if those things if you don't want to. My mom wants me to fly home every year so she can see my daughter, I don't. I'd rather fly to costa rica and gtfo during xmas in the states. So I do that instead.

My mom accepts that I'm going to do what I'm going to do because I never allow a manipulation or guilt trip to influence my actions. Only my desires. She can't change my behavior so she accepts it since there is no other option.

This is fine because when I do choose to fly home for to see my daughter, she knows it comes from a place of honesty and the gesture has more authenticity and power for it.

Substitute any other "obligation" and the same dynamic applies.

[–]hystericalbonding5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's time for stoicism.

yeah, that's what where I need to end. But I am looking for direction on how to get there.. Will read up on stoicism!

[–]drty_prRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's ego control.

They are all variables that are beyond your control; if you're not looking to eliminate them from you life that is. Otherwise, laugh at them to yourself and keep in moving forward.

I partied with 3 couples last weekend.

  • 1 was a guy who goes out of his way to make sure he doesn't disagree with his wife
  • 1 was a guy who will argue incessantly with his wife to a point of total frame loss
  • 1 was a guy who is simply defaeted

All 3 are good friends and would go out of their way to help me no questions asked. All 3 are probably betas. I don't debate gender philosophy with them. We talk music, woodworking and craft beer.

Lighten the fuck up bro.

[–]defnow6814 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Use it at the gym. Later, when you've worked yourself into a fine powder after heavy deads and squats, you won't give a fuck.

[–]Chinchilla_the_Hun2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's part you being upset with yourself for being (having been) equally pathetic, part disappointment with them not striving for awesomeness with you. You'll get over it in time.

They are forced into my life and there are moments when I can't hide from Those moments at least, I should be able to be at least pleasant and fun...

Nope. Get this right out of your head. You are not owed pleasurable relationships with family any more than you are guaranteed love or respect from a spouse or child. Something to strive for? sure. Something to be expected? not in the least.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

80/20. The vast majority of men you encounter will be weak.

RP is a solo strategy/endeavor, not a team sport. In theory, every other man you know is competition.

Look around, smile, and think "thanks for making it so easy to rise to the top boys."

[–]BirdManBrrrr2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I will not pretend to be a RedPill yet, and not even a PurplePill; maybe just a redder shade of Blue.

But I get so angry that they won't take responsibility for their marriage / work / employees / life. I get angry they won't stand up for themselves and by doing so, making life better for everyone around them.

How about stop worrying about other people and worry about yourself?

[–]youcantdenythat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Came to write this.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get angry they won't stand up for themselves and by doing so, making life better for everyone around them.

You're angry because

  • you still hold the bluepill, beta, follower mentality that expects leadership to come from others

  • you have covert contracts that your various superiors and colleagues should look out for you and take care of you

  • you still feel the BP, beta need to placate others and worry about their feelings and opinions about you

You have some RP knowledge, but you're still BP through and through, hence these BP feelings in response to that new RP knowledge.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

because of that anger, I am even less fun to be around than I used to. because they grind my nerves, because I resent them for being weak, because I can't fake that nothing has changed for me.

This is a well known side effect of taking the pill.

Will I ever get over this anger-phase?

Not completely but eventually it will be like a passionate political debate. You can't understand cultural Marxists. YOu know they are wrong. You want to stand up in class and start screaming and swinging a club while you knock in some heads.

You don't freak out any more but still shake your head in frustration.

[–]bogeyd6Mod / Red Militia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are just angry because that used to be you once upon a time. The only way to deal with it is to realize you cannot change them, and conversely they cannot change you.

[–]SepeanRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amused mastery, bro. Don’t expect them to understand anything, or man up, or take responsibility, that just leads to anger. Instead, you understand them. And it’s amusing. You can even have some fun with it, string them along and enjoy it.

[–]Bitfugee2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You sound like a fuckin psycho. Get help.

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

You will continue to be disgusted, but after a while you won’t care anymore.

I’m still irked constantly by men’s pussified responses.

But I think the best and most rational way to overcome that is to not give a fuck, lead by example, and be stoic.

Agreed, the fem-centricity can be a little annoying. But at the end of the day if you are cursing and rolling your eyes at all these little bitches, in a way you are being a little bitch as well.

So we should stop that I guess, and give way less fucks.

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Agreed, the fem-centricity can be a little annoying. But at the end of the day if you are cursing and rolling your eyes at all these little bitches, in a way you are being a little bitch as well. So we should stop that I guess, and give way less fucks.

I deliberately try to refrain from being a bitch.

But they do sense a shift in the force and I get shit tested by those men also: what happened to you, you used to be more fun/open/interested/committed.. I know that STFU does not mean: sit like an autistic in a corner and don't respond to any question directed at you.. But at the same time, I find it impossible to act like I care and to falsely be interested in their shitty stories...

Is this another 'fake it until you make it'? I do hope things will get better.

[–]470_2_700_nm5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe practice at moving the conversation along. This can be done withought insulting. STFU while you know only how to engage on their level, in their frame. But at one point, you’ll begin to understand how to say “I’m busy” in a nice and positive way rather than “for fuck sakes can’t you see I’m busy?”

For example, a woman may come to your desk to vent and fume or tell stories. If this happens, you can give the “mmm... yeah... hey I’ve got this snippet of code to review... can we speak later?” Then never open up the conversation again about that negativity. Then later in time purposefully open the conversation about something positive you want to talk about.

I think you may be rejecting others frames (with good cause) withought creating or defining a new one. So for all these people who piss you off, and ghosting isn’t an option, do an exercise for each in your mind where you redefine the interaction in your frame. Maybe that frame is being too busy for the bullshit. Maybe it’s turning things over to funny conversation. Big point is, not only are you rejecting their frame, but you are defining a new one for them to follow.

[–]SimilarSalvation[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know what sucks about MRP: you need complete strangers to point out the obvious for you. The thing that was right in front of you, where you just have to stretch and grab it, but somehow fail to see it...

do an exercise for each in your mind where you redefine the interaction in your frame. Maybe that frame is being too busy for the bullshit. Maybe it’s turning things over to funny conversation. Big point is, not only are you rejecting their frame, but you are defining a new one for them to follow.

This is golden advice. And since tonight will be celebrating time for 2 birthdays and an anniversary in my BluePill family in law, I will be applying your suggestions already...

[–]straius0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can also respond with humor ala AA. Absurdist humor rarely fails and when it does, DGAF applies and then double down.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can only live your life. It's frustrating when you feel like you've figured out something or found something awesome and every one else wants to continue to wallow in suck. But it is what it is.

One day, if they reach the end of their rope they may come to you for advice IF they see your life as something they should try to strive for. Until then you may seed a comment or two...but really they wont hear it until they are willing to.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some folks will slip away when you find the Red pill. It's inevitable.

Either you don't want to see them or they can't handle the new you because it makes them feel bad about themselves. Get used to the feeling of being alone because you were always alone anyways. You just werent so aware of it

[–]Alphaphux0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget the STFU bit

[–]bala-key0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are you really angry at them or angry at yourself?

You have to process this somehow, because you'll be spending the rest of your life among people who see the world differently from you. You're going to have learn to nod and smile and keep your mouth shut.

Focus on yourself. Read '48 Laws of Power'. Read 'How to win friends and influence people'. Learn to not be an unpleasant ball of anger around people because you can easily sabotage your life (private AND professional) that way.

Use your anger in the gym.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When getting through the angry phase - the angriest I was was with myself. I let myself become complacent. I had to commit to change before the angry phase left me.

[–]zayelion0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Use them as frame target practice.

Anger phase will pass, just need to process it.

[–]Mazcok0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bluepills?? AWALT

[–]BobbyPeru0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your anger phase is over the top. You do you - let them live comfortably in the dark if that's how they want to live their life.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How do you deal with Blue Pill'ers? You don't, they have their own sub. Occasionally I go over and laugh at them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why do you give a fuck about how other dudes run their lives?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Hi there, you'd call me a Blue Pill. The anger you're feeling is manufactured outrage. It's one of the tools TRP is using to brainwash you. Anger at those outside of the cult mindset is a classic tool of control. Feeling angry all the time is not healthy for various psychological and physiological reasons. If you're feeling angry, it's your mind telling you something isn't right.

The people surrounding you definitely need to learn to stand up for themselves. However, since TRP is draining your ability to empathize with others, your only remaining script is to be angry with them. There is another way, friend. You clearly have some empathy left. You want to help them. And you can! You could have a firm, honest conversation with these folks about how their passivity is affecting their lives, and provide them with an alternative script - assertiveness - to get what they want out of life. All without all of this internal stress. If they refuse to listen to you, you can safely write them off, distance yourself as best you can, and move on with the positive feeling that you tried to help, and there are just some negative people who have to learn to help themselves.

And the rewards are massive. You can all walk away from this feeling light and free, without the harm that bottling up your emotions causes. It's certainly the harder path - TRP is a shortcut. It is in every aspect the Easy Way. You must first understand this. It is anathema to itself, which claims to be a way to work hard and get what you want. But TRP simply ignores the parts that require real effort and gives you a fast way to get a wet dick.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

hahaha

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceRed Beret-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

TRP is anything but easy. It is, however, effective, if a man actually implements it.

And, oh, fuck your empathy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Effective if you have simple goals and want to ignore a wide swath of the Human Experience. Which would be fine if you didn't abuse others in the process.

And I would argue paving over your negative emotions rather than dealing with them is the Easy Path.

Further, lying to people is harder than being an honest, genuine human being.

Finally, I feel sad that you think empathy is a weakness. You're missing out on so much. I truly truly feel sorry for you.

[–]DanceMonkeeDanceRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Empathy is a very masculine trait. You are confused as to what MRP is.

I said fuck your empathy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

MRP is an extension of the bizarre mindset of RP into relationships. It's founded on a number of equally bizarre assumptions about what women want. It serves the class of PUA types that used a bunch of tricks to get into a relationship and now their woman is miserable with them because that was not who they really were. It also seems to be for men who are trapped in shitty relationships, presumably because they are not in a relationship with someone who is a genuine partner for them - I'll not assume all the reasons for this but I can assume in some part it has to do with having a relationship based on appearances and sex rather than deep connections and sustainable, mutual interest. I'm willing to be wrong about that last part it's a hunch.

The foundation of MRP is that woman are flaky, puerile creatures who want men to dominate them. Any problem in your relationship is due to this, rather than any of the other possibilities such as the man being a crappy partner, weak, boring, etc.

The things that MRP does right, much like RP, is to counsel men to become better versions of themselves. The thing MRP gets wrong is that everything can be blamed on arbitrary female emotional nonsense, and that there is a single narrow definition of how to feel and behave as a man. Women do want to be in a relationship with a man who is fully formed and confident, but you don't have to degrade and manipulate them to do that. The problem is that RPers blend the nonsense with the good advice and nobody calls them on it, belying an implicit acceptance of these negative caricatures of women. And RP writings/sidebars also support this view.

As for my empathy, I don't know what kind of definition you'd like to present, but I don't see the classical definition of "understanding and appreciating other human beings as they are" in any of the writings, postings, or sidebar content. Very occasionally I'll be impressed by an RPer who seems to have rejected the more bizarre advice and seems to have a decent personal morality, but it's very rare.

[–]BirdManBrrrr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

rather than any of the other possibilities such as the man being a crappy partner, weak, boring, etc.

Um...wut? Most of us end up here because we're weak, boring, crappy partners. For as much as you claim to know about RP/MRP you sure missed the biggest piece.

[–]RPJMRP-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

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