If what everything TRP/MRP says is true. How aren't 100% of married women cheating on their husbands who don't have this information?

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There's obviously some exceptions to the theories here. Very religious women, women who were raised better, where cheated on and really hurt from it etc. that won't cheat no matter what. over at TRP sub it seems they all believe that every women WILL cheat given the chance of a better option.

If this is true and MRP is life on hard mode how aren't 100% of women cheating on men who don't have this information. Because the theories/principles in here take lots of work. Work that almost every man (without this knowledge) isn't going to be doing years down the road in their marriage. Most wouldn't even think to do it.

Nights outs. Leading. Constant gaming. Etc. and I've seen some "happily married" people who or women who don't cheat. On men who not only don't have this information but don't follow the principles naturally.

I just find it hard to believe every single woman is cheating when something a little better comes along.

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Title If what everything TRP/MRP says is true. How aren't 100% of married women cheating on their husbands who don't have this information?
Author beta-to-boss
Upvotes 8
Comments 43
Date 31 August 2017 11:02 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/205550
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/6xaj8q/if_what_everything_trpmrp_says_is_true_how_arent/
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[–]zeteomegaleio32 points33 points  (8 children) | Copy

I think TRP is mostly full of younger guys who are in their 20s and enjoy banging chicks left and right (god bless them). I don't think many of them have the kinds of life experience people here do. Around here I see business owners, successful men, fathers - people who have done some real living and went through the real pain that comes along with it. So I wouldn't take the TRP guys' word as the gospel.

Things are more complex than a bunch of bros parroting how every woman will cheat given the chance.

Hypergamy IS real. However, women are also human beings with the ability to think. They aren't all mindless idiots who constantly do nothing but look for the man with the biggest muscles and most money and immediately spread their legs. Most of them who also have any kind of life experience beyond the college/20s slut also has goals and the ability to forecast and think about the future based on present actions. They make the same kinds of choices that men do about giving in for short-term satisfaction vs. having discipline to achieve bigger goals. Men are better at that, but that's not the argument here. Simply that women CAN make choices and rationalize in their own ways about what to do or not.

So will 100% of women cheat if given the opportunity? They COULD. Let's say you're a fucking awesome alpha. She runs into another awesome alpha at the store who has slightly bigger muscles than you, but everything else the same. Does she drop her entire life with you to fuck this guy? No - there is nothing to be gained in the long term from this. But she COULD.

Now, if you're a fucking beta loser who she doesn't respect, have been a loser for 8 years, and suddenly Chad gets hired to be in the same division as she is at her office job? Just watch how often she starts going out after work 'with the work gang', or, damnit, she just has to work late again because that mean old boss is so unfair and makes her do everything!

That goes beyond hypergamy - I would say it is human, because a man sure as shit wouldn't put up with that if the roles were reversed either. The main difference boils down to women being the hunted, and so they have their pick, whereas men are the hunters.

Hypergamy is based on long-term goals for the woman: I need safety, security, and a man who can provide me with strong genes for our babies. But morals, values, pledges, a person's history, mental illness, and the fact that every situation is different all play into whether a woman will cheat or not. Not everyone does or will cheat. But women are built to scan for the best available mate and THEY do the choosing in that regard thanks to hypergamy, and therefore they are effectively built to constantly be on the lookout for a great opportunity TO cheat unless you give them enough reason not to.

[–]pridebrah2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post.

That goes beyond hypergamy - I would say it is human, because a man sure as shit wouldn't put up with that if the roles were reversed either.

This is often something I stress too, but you see little of it in TRP. It's mostly anger and people saying "fucking sluts just always cheat." While that may be true in some situations, some times it's just a fact of people being people.

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

This so fucking much. I agree with every word. It's nice to see written out. Thank you

[–]BobbyPeru4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah top poster nailed it. Couldn't have said it better myself. The only thing I might add is AWANA in regards to cheating. Some have a much higher natural propensity to cheat than others (generally speaking).

[–]WesternhagenWinner2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Most of them who also have any kind of life experience beyond the college/20s slut also has goals and the ability to forecast and think about the future based on present actions. They make the same kinds of choices that men do about giving in for short-term satisfaction vs. having discipline to achieve bigger goals.

Logic is only going to hold them back for so long. Eventually the power of the rationalization hamster will wear it down.

[–]zeteomegaleio2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Assuming it has a reason to, thinks it can safely make the branch swing, or the opportunity still exists longer than a moment, then yes. No argument there.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The hamster eats logic and shits out more hamsters.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

I think you're looking for more than a challenge to this praxeology.

I think you are worried you might do ALL THIS WORK, and then she might cheat on you anyway.

I think you are looking for a guarantee, or at least a more than reasonable expectation that IF you do THIS, THEN she won't do THAT.

I think your frame is weak, your hamster is strong, and you are fearful of your wife cheating on you.

I think you need to embrace and INTERNALIZE the sidebar, continue to develop your frame as a result, and come to the knowledge that if your wife leaves you, you WILL do better.

I think you need to read more, and study this shit like your future depends on it, because it does.

But then, that's just what I think.

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

There may be some truth to that. I think my biggest fear is it happening and me not knowing it is.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

"The hamster is strong with this one."

Look, we ALL have that feeling to one degree or another. None of us want to get cucked.

BUT, there are ways to trust, but verify, without crossing the line of mateguarding.

Think of it this way, if she has given you no reason to suspect her of this, then YOU are hamstering this.

It's no different than having a nightmare that you get fired at work, so the next day you quit your job. Think about it.

The stronger you get, physically and in your frame, the less you will care.

Your post is one of weakness and fear.

Continue to develop your mind and body, become strong and know the truth will set you free, whatever that truth happens to be.

The only question is, are you READY for whatever the truth is/will be?

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

And when you say get stronger in your frame how is that acquired. By keep reading the sidebar?

[–]BirdManBrrrr2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lift and read...read and lift. Same advice applies to all of us.

[–]alphabeta49Red Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lifting and reading is great advice for the beginner, but it only lays the pre-foundation for all other changes. It gives you the discipline and familiarity with pain and discomfort to kill your ego and push through to your goal.

How does one build their frame... You know what a frame is right? The way you view the world. And not just your philosophy, even though that's a part of the greater theory of the Red Pill. I'm talking about how you see your role in daily duties and interactions. How you view yourself when you're around your friends, when you're at work, when you're at home, chilling, working, and developing your hobbies. What kind of person are you? Who are you?

You only develop this idea of your frame over time. You internalize the readings. You swallow it all, hook line and sinker. You become someone different. You change. You start actually believing things that are unpopular because you believe you are right. And you don't really realize you're doing it until you look back and realize how far you've come. Then you think to yourself, "huh, look how far I've come". And you keep going.

So in short, yes, read the sidebar and lift. But we're talking paradigm shifts here. It doesn't happen just from reading a few books.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I expect this kind of response from a Red Beret.

OP, pay the fuck attention to this shit.

These are the real answers to your surreal questions.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

ya, I don't see every single woman cheating, but......

I do see how my wife's co worker, that weighs 300 + pounds, wife getting frustrated that he just won't take care of himself and she hits on me every time I am at their house. I am getting the "fuck me vibes" and so is another friend (both of us a re fit and take care of ourselves)

We are seeing a n uptick in shitty habits and attitudes with fat assed cheat oh eating, game playing fucks telling us, their wives love them for how they are with their "man buns" and skinny jeans with fat rolls hanging over. Not to mention some of these women are having kids with these man/boys and now have the children and the man/boy to raise.

You tell me the odds of women stating they have had enough and falling for a man and cheating or moving on......

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I'm not arguing that AWANLT. Because I totally believe they are. I just don't believe they all are cheating over it. I believe a big amount will hamster their way into divorce before, Or at least show massive amounts of signs of things heading that way

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Ok so what are the consequences of your belief?

How does your understanding change your approach to your marriage and relationship?

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

To be the best version you can be. The whole Package we will say. But I don't think you need to look at your woman as a cheating robot. But I see what you're getting at with that question.

"You may never need or use a fire escape but it's doesn't hurt to know where it is."


[–]screechhaterRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Mentally she will cheat, emotionally she will cheat, but physically ? You will never know if she doesn't want you too.

Remember that.

There are a lot of women that take a lot of Shit, but in today's society, it's becoming evident it's less.

I have fucked a lot of married women either in the road or when their husbands were away. Many of the excuses to get us alone ranged from help me get this to my car, can you come over and change an air filter, to check loose windows and well it just happened. Just as the phone calls to go over there just happened repeatedly.

Remember this. It just happens. When it comes to a woman and her anti slut excuses, she could state wow, we shouldn't get into bad habits .... then if it happens it's not on her.

I know of a pastors wife that my friend dicks regularly. I have been invited for some fun. I know a lot of doctors wives that will fuck me given the chance, and they are getting it from some other friends.

You never know. That's the point.

Actually you should not give a fuck. When you are the prize and perceived as one, you would be shocked how many offers to accidentally drop panties come your way.

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Kind of irrelevant but Are you married? And if so cheat?

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy


I own what I do and do what I own

I will admit nothing, nor deny what I do

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not married but I do have a side girl. So you're saying you admit nothing but at the same time don't deny it? What if she finds out ?

Also why be married then and not just be single? Just trying to pick your brain with this since most guys are against it here

[–]simbarlionRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

maybe factor in that this is the internet where you tend to get the best and worst...

MRP is mostly about the man you should be. I agree the concept of it requiring 'constant work' is hard to comprehend. Why the fuck shouldn't she work hard so men don't cheat.... oh yeah, they do.... if they value you enough

[–]chachaChad1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It’s not that they all do it all the but that they all have the potential to do it. Act like weak little beta and you increase the chances. Be a chad and decease the chances.

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Totally agree but I was reading a comment from trengod37 who said his girl is a nurse and doctors hit on her all the time and she denies them. He said even tho he isn't a doctor he has all areas of his life in top shape. And an EC was saying he's delusional that she will cheat anyway just because they are doctors

[–]screechhaterRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If he gets soft and goes beta. Believe it. If he starts mate guarding it happens So many parts go into being the prize. Remember that. This is exactly why the reading list is so deep

[–]WesternhagenWinner2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Very religious women, women who were raised better, where cheated on and really hurt from it etc. that won't cheat no matter what.

Oh yes they will.

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not saying they all won't. But some of them won't

[–]askmeanything20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ask yourself this question: why aren't 100% of single women aged 18-30 not banging almost every night? Since with tinder, clubs etc. they could. Yet millenial sex rates are down.

Well who is the #1 expert on the red pill? What might he think?


A healthy male produces between 12 to 17 times the amount of testosterone a woman does. It is a biological impossibility for a woman to want sex as much as, or as often as men. Trust me, when a woman says, “I don’t understand why sex is so important to guys” she’s speaking the literal truth.

So if everything TRP/MRP says is true, then women are not the same as men

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My girl doesn't cheat because I keep her locked in the basement with a chastity belt on.

[–]Rian_StoneMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll see if I can find it. There was this guy on AMA who was forced ot wear one by his wife, he had photos and everything.

was a sad man, even by internet standards

[–]straius0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

These are all generalities and if you take it literally you're just gonna fuck yourself up in a different way.

Yes AWALT. But AWALT is always in the form of degrees whenever you're talking about a specific aspect or specific person.

Just like personality science, you have to separate the theory which works at the macro level of populations and the individual.

Just because at some level a person (or a woman) is capable of something, doesn't mean that they WILL.

The specific context of your woman's personality, history and health of the relationship among a number of other factors supersede any generalized theory or rule and if you lose sight of that, you will just be confused in other ways.

The theory is all accurate and it provides an excellent frame to analyze behaviors, but you have to figure out which areas your woman fits to a T and in which ways she deviates from the standard theory because people are far more complex and dynamic than the praxeology itself.

[–]alphabeta49Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Jagged pill scratching your throat going down?

We say AWALT because all women have the capacity to cheat. Through life experiences or morals or whatever, some decide not to, but that doesn't mean they aren't women and aren't seduced by the same traits that other women are. Namely, alpha traits.

Let this mindfuck you even more: I've got a handful of examples from girls I've known who have cheated on their alpha boyfriends because beta billy offered his care and concern. You can never lock someone down. Even with your wife, it's just your turn. You want your turn to last all your life, but there's no promise of that.

I think u/matrixblahblahblah nailed it. This isn't a theoretical post. You've got some deep insecurity.

I promise you: the less you care about her cheating and instead just focus on improving yourself, the less likely she is to cheat. But you shouldn't improve so that she won't cheat. You see how your entire world revolves around her still? That must stop.

[–]pridebrah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can never lock someone down.

This is basically the beginning and end of it, because everything you said there applies to us men too. If my chick gets fat, lazy, and bitchy (the equivalent to a fat/skinny beta male), then I'm absolutely hopping on the next train out of town if its a 9/10 HBB offering better.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

over at TRP sub it seems they all believe that every women WILL cheat given the chance of a better option.

I don't see this. I see example after example of women who have cheated and fucked over men but nobody (who knew what they were talking about) ever said "all."

MRP is life on hard mode how aren't 100% of women cheating on men who don't have this information.

The majority of marriages end in divorce. Nothing is ever 100%. Our objection to marriage is not that you are 100% guaranteed to be fucked over but that the percentage is WAY to high to justify the risk.

OF COURSE there are happy marriages. OF COURSE there are women who turn down Chad and return to their Beta husbands.

AWALT doesn't mean that all women are EXACTLY like that. Only that they are LIKE that. Women are hypergamous. They ALWAYS look for a better deal but that doesn't mean they jump ship at the first opportunity.

[–]jcrptaRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most RP works paint a very black and white picture of the world.

As you've worked out, the world isn't quite like that. There are shades of grey everywhere; in reality, life is a statistics game. Work on your body and personality, your chances of keeping a woman interested go up. Neglect it, and those chances go back down. Regardless of what you're doing, there are always other men out there who don't care whether or not a woman is married or in a relationship, if she's prepared to offer a hole he's prepared to fill it - so you've also got probabilities going on there. Likelihood of her meeting another man, likelihood of that man being interested, likelihood of her reciprocating.

This is why you're warned that despite your best efforts, they may yet come to nothing. All the working out and all the re-thinking how you approach life in all the world can only tilt things in your favour, it cannot give you a guarantee. You want a guarantee, buy a toaster.

So, why the black and white picture? Simple. When putting these ideas in writing - and keeping it approachable for the noobs - it is necessary to simplify things to get the message across.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

RP doesn't say every woman with a beta cheats. RP doesn't say every man without RP knowledge is a beta.

If you're here to make straw man arguments, concern troll, or question our praxeology, just leave. You're not welcome. This place is about men helping men refind their masculinity, and that's all we'll help you with.

[–]beta-to-boss[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's more about understanding. That's what this sub is for. If you get butthurt every time a question about the sub gets brought up it looks like a cult. There's no reason this can't be disgusts or shouldn't be. Tons of members over at TRP (ECs) are commenting stuff that implies that all women will cheat is some big better comes along. It's totally a reasonable question

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Read what I wrote. I answered your question, first line. But you keep on wanting to argue strawmen - read the sidebar instead.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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