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Wife says we need space

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Throwawa290485
August 10, 2017
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Together for 5 yrs married for 3. We have a 17 month old daughter. No sex for the past 3 years although our sex life had been dwindling a even before the marriage. Introduced to mrp 2 years ago and started working on myself. Reading the sidebar, NMMNG, The Rational Male, MMSLP, WISNIFG. Re reading NMMNG at the moment. Gym 2-3 times a week, basketball with the boys every saturday morning then lunch and drinks in the afternoon. She is a shit test queen and starts giving me shit the moment I walk in the door. Even before I say hi to my daughter. Did you pick up the onion? What about dinner? Are you giving her a bath tonight?

She makes more money than I do and I try not to let that bother me. Especially because I quit my amazing job and travelled half the globe to be with her and start a family. However, I'm working on my career am making much money more every year but still less than her. I can't tell you how many rejections I've endured and I remember a while back just asking her why she keeps rejecting me and she said we needed to sort out a lot of other emotional and financial situations before we get to the sex part which made 0 sense to me. I'm 6f 5in and consider myself fairly attractive. I also get a lot of attention from women be it when I'm out or just going about my day to day activities. I don't pursue these women and I have not cheated yet but it has been crossing my mind a lot lately.

We were having coffee the other day and we somehow started talking about our shitshow marriage. She then goes into this whole thing about how we need space until we figure out what each of us wants from the marriage. I said okay and that if she thinks that's what we need then I'm fine with whatever.

I feel so stuck in her frame no matter what I do. When I ignore her shit test she piles them up to a point where it feels like she's almost a bully. And at some point I just break and show some frustration or irritability and once she has a whif of my frustration or anger then she backs off because she knows she has me exactly where she wants me. We watch way too much tv and that's because she has set that routine in the house. We feed the baby, bathe her, put her to sleep then immediately start staring at the screen. She basically is ruling the household with an iron fist. She becomes very rude and dismissive of any issue that I raise that has to do with sex or anythimg that requires us to work on our relationship. I'm confused as to what I else I can do to get out of her frame at this point. Even though I just arrived, I already have more friends than her, and she barely goes out to see her friends. Now I'm hit with this whole lets have space thing so I'm holding off on initiating sex. 3 yrs with 0 sex is painful and I dont know what else to do. I feel like I'm loosing perspective in the work I'm doing and eventhough I've made some solid gains, I feel like I have some sticking points. I want to get the community's perspective on how you guys see this or how you'd deal with a similar issue.


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Title Wife says we need space
Author Throwawa290485
Upvotes 9
Comments 53
Date 10 August 2017 04:58 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/205700
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[–]zeno_of_shitium18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man, first of all, if she needs space then DO NOT be the one to leave. Tell her she is welcome to have some space and show her the door. The daughter stays with you.

Secondly, you need to grow a pair. I mean that with the best intentions. Why does this woman have so much power over you? Seeing as you are getting no sex from this woman anyway then start implementing monk mode. Withdraw your time and attention. Come home, look after your kid, and - once she is asleep - take your copies of the sidebar books and get the fuck out the house. Go somewhere and read, or go lift. DO NOT sit on the sofa or otherwise engage your wife. Nothing good will come of it.

We'll be here to give you guidance or bust your balls - as appropriate - but you have a lot of work to do. Get on it.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret35 points36 points  (7 children) | Copy

You are a drunk Captain, who likes to hit the gym and play basketball with some of the passengers on the helo deck. The First Officer is not impressed, nor does she even fucking care. She's tired of taking care of the crew, making sure the galley is stocked, the boilers are fueled, the decks are swept, the bulkheads are painted...

Outside of the gym and basketball, you do exactly nothing to contribute to the marriage, much less yourself as a man. In her eyes, you are the oldest kid in the house. You don't lead, you're not growing in your masculinity, and she's just not going to fuck the equivalent of her teenage son. Think about it. What do you actually DO that a 15 year old doesn't already know how to do? Including whining for sex.

You were introduced to MRP two years ago. Your efforts at MRP the last two years are the same as playing basketball with the boys on Saturday morning and thinking you might get into the NBA as a result. It's time to...

SWALLOW THE FUCKING PILL!!!

You are a lazy, whiny, pussy fully if shit. You are 6'5", 190lbs? Hitting the gym 2x a week? Doing what? 6 hours of cardio at a time? This is what you got after "working out" for two fucking years?

You might be fairly attractive to other women because you're tall and not fat, and they'd fuck you, maybe twice, but once they saw the boy in you, they'd lose interest too, just like your wife.

You aren't attractive to your wife. And you know why.

You fucking piss me off. You've known about this shit for TWO FUCKING YEARS and you've done nothing. Going to the gym and playing basketball with the boys doesn't count.

You know how I know? Because your post is the weakest post I've read in my 3 months here of ANYONE who has been doing this longer than 6 months.

I was going to tear your post apart, line by line, but it's a total waste of fucking time. Never write that shit again.

Do I have your attention yet?

This is MRP.

There is a red pill.

You've been staring at it for 2 years.

SWALLOW IT NOW or walk away.

The underlying core principle you are missing is....

WORK.

YOU HAVE TO DO THE FUCKING WORK.

Did you know there is more to the sidebar than 3 books listed in the prerequisites?

Go here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/wiki/index

Read everything. TWICE.

Your marriage may already be over.

Your wife may never come back from the loathing and disgust she feels for you.

Those two truths are keeping you from being assertive and getting your shit together.

And until getting your shit together becomes more important than your marriage and your wife, then you are going to continue to wallow in your sexless mediocrity and fail.

What will it take to get you off the couch?

I know what will get you off the couch. Finding out your wife is getting laid like tile by a Chad who knows how to do shit a 15 year old doesn't know how to do.

You're a fucking noob.

Today is day one.

Read the fucking sidebar. ALL OF IT.

You are going to LIFT READ and STFU

No more convos with the wife about sex, the marriage, nothing.

Make a to-do list of all the shit that needs to be done around the house, and start doing it.

Go to the gym 3 days a week and lift heavy weight. My son was 6'5", 335lbs. Wrestled, mixed martial arts, Starting center in football. You're 190lbs? You've got some gains you can make.

It doesn't matter how much money you make. You're the dumbass who turned in his man card when you gave up your career for your wife.

I did the same shit, you fucktard. And I still got divorced, still buried my 6'5" 335lb son, and still managed to lose almost $1,000,000 to that 12 year shitshow.

Pull your head out of your ass and SWALLOW THE FUCKING PILL.

You have a LOT of WORK to do, on YOURSELF.

Forget the wife.

By the time you take command of your ship and get it back on course, she may be gone, or not, but IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER because YOU need to fix YOU or she's GOING TO LEAVE ANYWAY.

If you are at this point, after 2 FUCKING YEARS, you are the most clueless, useless POS I've read about yet.

BUT...

There is hope for you.

Don't get excited, there is hope for YOU, not your wife, or your marriage.

I know because the praxeology here is solid, and it's working for me.

It just pisses me off thinking that after 2 YEARS of working at this I might end up like you. If that is truly the case, two YEARS to get like you, I'll quit now.

Alright you autistic, clueless fucking moron, the very next thing you do is go to this week's OYS(Own Your Shit) thread and read every fucking post in it.

When you are done, if you still have no idea what you should fucking DO besides bitch, whine, play hoops and watch TV with the wife, then GTFO.

[–]The_LitzRed Beret6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

We have an opening here at the Fire and Brimstone ministries, interested?

OP needs this message, it is spot on and at this moment the only thing that will save him is a swift kick in the ovaries, nothing else will help.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe that will be my flair when I'm fully unplugged; Fire and Brimstone.

I'm going through some of your old posts.

Great stuff

[–]trp_dude6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You go Matrix!

There is no way OP has been MRP for 2 years. Look, I've been MRP for 2 years, and I've gone from a fat beta fucker in a near-dead bedroom to ripped, rock-solid frame, getting sex on demand, and random women approaching me in public.

MRP works. Full Stop. It's hellalot of work. i spend good 4-5 hours working out and another 3-4 hours on cardio every week, and that is down from my peak. I've read everything on the sidebar and far more.

[–]matrixtospartanatLVRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Outstanding.

Success stories like this keep me going.

[–]Mukato2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I appreciate your energy, OP, listen to this man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Preach brother.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Introduced to mrp 2 years ago and started working on myself.

even though I've made some solid gains

Like what? I see no clear sign of it in your post.

Gym 2-3 times a week, basketball with the boys every saturday morning then lunch and drinks in the afternoon.

I feel so stuck in her frame no matter what I do.

Like seemingly the majority of career betas who show up here, you've started with a "sprinkling alpha" covert contract or cowardly hope that if you just get the body and do the other easy for you parts of the program that don't require you to be assertive with your wife and develop and assert your own frame, your wife will want to fuck you. Read /u/prarrott's post history for a counterexample, and to see where that thinking can lead. For career betas like (presumably) yourself, frame and OYS are usually more important; as with /u/prarrott, a hawt body with weak frame will likely induce little change in your wife.

By all means continue to lift, diet, and work on your body, but you must no longer use it as an excuse to avoid or postpone the equally important work on your frame and assertiveness, as did /u/resolutions316 for a time. Reread WISNIFG and NMMNG carefully and do the exercises. Pay close attention to the philosophy and mindset they advocate, not just to the tricks and techniques, as the core of your frame must start there. Maybe careful study of the post histories and comments/advice to the career betas mentioned above might help you as well.

[–]Throwawa290485[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for this and the thoughts you've all shared. Please keep it coming because I need to hear it. I'll dig deeper into the posts you mentioned

[–]askmeanything28 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

mrp is not just gym 2 times a week, and read

decrease your watching TV, increase doing

Let's look at some things:

Dread Level 3: Begin to build a life apart from your wife. Join a club. Take up a cause, discipline, or calling. Get busy. ...

Dread Level 4: You don't have time for a sexually disinterested, annoying, or angry wife. Take up another cause if you need to. This is a great time to join a martial arts club.

Dread Level 5: Upgrade your clothes and start dressing ‘up’ more of the time.

Dread Level 6: Begin to study pickup artistry.

Dread level 7: Begin to practice pickup artistry and learn how to approach pretty women and hold an attractive conversation.

Dread Level 8: SHOW your wife that you are capable of talking to pretty girls in public. Start with waitresses. If you are with your wife and it has been 20-30 days since she gave you the 'favor' of her body, and you strike up a conversation with a pretty young thing right in front of her 1 or 2 things will happen- probably both.

[–]Luckylancer960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He stuck at level 1, the frame. He need more confidence, esteem.

[–]AustralianArm7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

She wants space, you have two choices...

1) Give her space and let her kick your balls in a box

2) Ignore her, grow your balls back and stop being scared of the harpy cunt

You also sound like you haven't digested any of the reading. At all. Have you even read anything other than this subreddit?

[–]SepeanRed Beret5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel so stuck in her frame no matter what I do. When I ignore her shit test she piles them up to a point where it feels like she's almost a bully. And at some point I just break and show some frustration or irritability

Be stronger. You have to grow a fucking spine. She will never back down and go easy on you unless you first demonstrate that you can handle her.

We watch way too much tv and that's because she has set that routine in the house.

Sheez, just stop following her rules. Do something else and let her watvh TV. Don't wait for her to follow your meek suggestions, just do it.

She basically is ruling the household with an iron fist.

The only thing she is ruling with is your fear. Stop being so afraid of her anger, it is just words bro.

She becomes very rude and dismissive of any issue that I raise that has to do with sex or anythimg that requires us to work on our relationship.

That's because you're the one who needs to work on you. Stop trying to convinve her she needs to give you a free ride. Lift, read and implement.

I'm confused as to what I else I can do to get out of her frame at this point.

It's like stopping to watch TV, you just stop.

Now I'm hit with this whole lets have space thing so I'm holding off on initiating sex.

FFS don't you read? Don't listen to what your wife says. Her words don't carry meaning, they're not instructions that will get you fucked, on the contrary. They are shit tests, designed to test your frame and to get you to provide for her if you are not fuckable. Stop listening to her. Her words only matter as hooks for witty responses.

I want to get the community's perspective on how you guys see this or how you'd deal with a similar issue.

This might come as a surprise but we suggest lifting, reading the sidebar and fucking doing what it says.

Lift and lead, bro.

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

  • The money disparity is literally irrelevant unless you make it relevant. BUT if you combined income is not cutting it, then there's an issue. Without commenting, start tracking expenses per month. Look at it all. Spending more than you make? Then start chipping away and setting budgets. Track expenses DAILY via debit or credit card. Use a simple Excel spreadsheet if needed.

  • You're a big dude. But your personally is so small and soft it bleeds through the screen. She smells it and she fills the vacuum of masculine energy with her own personality and resents you for it.

  • You've read all the books. But you don't really get it do you? Why? You tell us why for at least the first year of marriage she wasn't giving you nightly blow jobs? What are you missing in executing all the information you read? The core of this is all very simple. Be more masculine. Be more playful. Be present in your home and become picky and set the stage for how you want the house to run. Be above petty bullshit but do provide comfort when she needs it and deserves it.

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Completely agree with Shoulder's first point - I think Rollo or MRP put me straight on this.

End of day a woman will fuck a garbage man who recently became bankrupt. Makes no difference what a man's income is if she is intoxicated on his passion for life.

Now not to say money doesn't help keep a woman around long term, but $$ do not equal sexual interest. You don't have to spend much time on this forum to find that out.

[–]hystericalbonding4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

We watch way too much tv and that's because she has set that routine in the house.

Sitting side by side, staring at a screen is not a relationship. She has set the schedule for the day for herself. Do something more interesting or worthwhile when she's watching TV. Read. Find ways to make money. Start developing a new skill. Work on strength or conditioning. Do something other than being a passive cunt.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

She's got both feet in your ass and you're in her frame.

Wipe the fucking snot off your nose and either move the fuck on or shut the Fuck up.

According to you, you are existing.

According to me, your just pissing and whining

You know, I'm afraid of a divorce and the shock of life after 20 years, but this new secretary at the office has given me hope. Got it ?

Start Fucking living. She wants space, Fucking give it to her.

Your post reaks of pure "poor me". Ya we all been there, but what exactly are you going to do about. ? Got a great idea, ask her

[–]Throwawa290485[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Wow...how enlightening. You're telling me 20 yrs of sht marriage and the probability of divoce is staring right at you and my story gives you hope!?! Well said, have nothing to say but thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

You are the only one that can fix this.

Nothing we say or think matters. What matters is that you connect the dots and formulate the position with all the info and do something about your life

Fear of loss or fear of ramifications is the biggest driving factor for most not acting on behalf of themselves

Are you enjoying the control of you by her and her mood swings ? Lack of sex ? Rejection ? You know who actually controls this ?

My story is somewhat like yours, except it was like all was great until about three years ago sex trickled to IV sex, and the bitchy cuntiness became extreme all the time. And, we have three kids. One is 12 this week. How's that ? You actually think I want to throw all this in the trash ? Do you ? We just couldn't possibly have sex any more and I just didn't understand menopause and low libido and all that ..... used to dwell and play into it ...

Your story is not unique. But you don't have too live it any longer.

You can change you, for you

You won't change her, but you can change how you react to her, to position yourself to not constantly react or even dwell on this shit or behavior, in turn and in effect, actually changing your life.

At the end of the day, you can only change you and you will come to terms that she can change to your new you or you move on.

My wife now has 6 friends divorced after twenty years This last one we just found out about she lost touch with in 2014.

She just found out about a week ago Told me about it and I laughed stating, "I saw it coming 15 years ago." 5 kids, youngest 8 and he pulls 300k.

He used to tell me how she would be happier with each kid, each raise would make it better She was a pure bitch to him. Even in public He justified all of it as pressure to raise the kids right. Not making enough money yet, I would laugh

Never would fuck him unless she wanted a kid. I talked to him yesterday. He is fucking his current wife every other day. His terms. The ex started fucking him literally everyday at his plane during the seperation. Mysteriously found time and her libido. He saw it fir what it was and was done. He filed anyway .

His ex is now fucking her way around fir a new sugar daddy. He was pissed at first then realized she will hitch and trickle again or not. She is definitely past the wall and not much too look at

He gave her the house and half his pension and pays 2k a month support. He is the happiest he has ever been could never kick that 20 pounds.

Dropped her and the 20 in a month. Kept it off. Called stress fat His new wife is better looking than the last.

My wife asked me what really happened. I told her, he hit his limit and would rather be paying his support and Fucking freely as a pauper than tied to her. She asked me if we were headed that way, I STFU and literally stared at her until she was bawling her eyes out. Then laughed. "That's totally up to you" she was fpissed off for a few hours, then mysteriously gave me a bj. Haven't had one in years. Hmn

Do you understand ? I used to tell her how terrible her friends divorces were. And, I laughed at this one. I unplugged completely and called a spade a spade.

I'm not dying miserable. I'm happier than ever before now, and I don't give a fuck how shitty my wife's job is anymore.

I'm gonna fuck as often as I want and she has first crack at it, or like when we first met, she is gone

[–]JDRoedellRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is how it's done OP, and how you persist in your own frame. How can we sidebar a single reply?

[–]blarggggggggggg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She asked me if we were headed that way, I STFU and literally stared at her until she was bawling her eyes out.

Pay attention, this is how STFU works. It's also how you don't enter her frame or try to smooth over her feefees. Accept her 100% and let her make her choices. Eventually she will put out or you throw her out.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

the probability of divoce is staring right at you and my story gives you hope

You really don't get it and have no idea how much better your life is going to be when you do.

The story gives people hope because you have so badly misapplied things and have been stuck at level 1 for months and years....yet even after 3 years of a dead bedroom, even after a harpy shit testing queen has destroyed your frame and bullied you into a living hell...EVEN THEN...there is still hope.

Probably all you have to do is start standing up to your wife more and VERY gradually increase your refusal to tolerate disrespect.

Possibly you will need to move to active Dread and begin actively pulling young hotties and showing your wife that she can be replaced.

[–]fuckmrpRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Be gone with you troll.

[–]Throwawa290485[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not a troll, trust this is real.

[–]SeamusAwl3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Red pilled for 2 years and you havent progressed past a typical 1st time here post. You may have bull shitted yourself, but not us. You put in no work and i dont know how you got that daughter. You deserve zero respect from your wife, and even less from us.

There are men who come here actually wanting help and this post provides nothin of value except to not be like the OP. You got to put in the work if expect results.

[–]donedreadpirateRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

TL;DR: Guy who works out casually, watches a lot of TV, quit a great job for pussy, and doesn't take what he wants in life doesn't understand why he's unattractive.
 
Get a grip. Delete your wife from your puke up there and it's just a story of a lackadaisical average dude. So, give her space, create a life... Wait a second... I think the answer to your question has already been covered.

[–]BobbyPeru2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Did you read the entire sidebar?

That's important to get the big picture.

Also, what's your weight/ body fat %. 2-3 days gym is shit. Are you lifting heavy? What's your BP, squat, MP, row... I get the impression you're soft... Physically and mentally.

[–]Throwawa290485[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Weight 190, BMI 22.5. I lift heavy and everything is in its place and in great shape. I do want to branch out and start something that can help me be more aggressive (boxing, kickboxing) so that can help with the "softness".

[–]470_2_700_nm4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

How about branching out and fucking some other woman you pussy.

Three years with no sex and you are still hanging around wondering what this bitch is going to do, especially after she drops the "we need space" card. Have you even chatted up a single woman in the past three years?

You are so less than the prize with an abundance score of zero that your wife's biological machine has no other recourse than to dry up.

And dry up it has. Now get to work. My concern here is that once you finally actually do break loose from this Sahara desert of a relationship that you get yourself right back into another one.

[–]drty_prRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is there anything that is stopping her from leaving you? Religion maybe? Cause the way I see it, she is begging you to kill the puppy because you're a total pussy and she has no respect for you. How could she? You say you've read NMMNG, but the fact you let her shit on you once you walk through the door leads me to believe otherwise. Frame man.

Also, why the fuck do you want to stay with a women who hasn't fucked you in 3 years? Religion? Fear of losing the kid? Or do you simply enjoy being treated like garbage? Can you honestly picture your relationship being saved?

That, or you're the most clever troll I've seen yet...

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kill the puppy

I love you but I'm not in love with you

Lets just be friends

I need space

These are all synonymous.

[–]nooomaam2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This makes no sense. You're saying you've done the reading, are self improving, and you don't know how to deal with shit tests, how to lead, or how to get what you want? Am I reading this correctly?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

https://mobile.twitter.com/DarrionMarz/status/894360082443534336

And can't remember thr rationalmale article for this. You were a selfless stepping stone. Best work on getting yours, she has, and is moving on now

[–]InChargeManRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

We have a 17 month old daughter. No sex for the past 3 years

I'm not a mathologist, but unless she has the gestational characteristics of an elephant, I think I found your problem.

[–]Throwawa290485[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes, someone else also mentioned this earlier. Baby is mine and I love her to death but donating sperm that one time doesn't really cut it as a replacement for a fullfilling sexual life.

[–]InChargeManRed Beret5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, just fucking with you (I guess I'm the only one/BOOM)

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I started to do the math and then realised I was doing math for zero financial gains and then stopped right there.

[–]jagged_edge_pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wait ! No sex in three years ? Why are you with her?

[–]InChargeManRed Beret14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Simple anatomy. Two pussies can't fuck, that's just science.

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see what you did there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No sex for the past 3 years although our sex life had been dwindling a even before the marriage

I'm hoping this is a rounding error.

As you clearly illustrate. You are 100% mired neck deep in a situation where you are but an employee and you have someone who doesn't want to be the manager leading out of necessity who rightfully resents the piss out of you for it.

You as the current YOU is not going to get an ounce or inch of distance in this scenario.

You are obviously very new here. So... welcome. There is hope one way or another if you are willing to do more than just surface level and dig in deep and get uncomfortable...

Start reading ----> hit sidebar.

[–]JDRoedellRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Would you care if you lost her at all? Other than her salary (which by the way is a huge plus for your situation) what value does she bring to your life?

From your post it's hard to determine what value YOU bring to this shit show . There's a lot of "she" and "her" in this puke but let's assume for a minute you've got your shit together.... what value is she bringing? 3 years with no sex is NOT a marriage. Not even close. That's your broken record frame if she tries to muddy the waters with her "we have emotional issues to work through" bullshit. If she's asking for space, and if it were me, I'd oblige and more. Sounds like you might even get some alimony out of the deal.

Now, assuming you actually give a shit about yourself and all this, are you leading, using AA to shit tests, living your life apart from her? Get out of her frame. Don't engage in verbal intercourse about the lack of sex or her space. Get to work

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you've REALLY been at this for two years, you'd have read every single page in the sidebar by now. You'd have a firm grasp of the stories, concepts and lessons learned presented by this community. And you clearly don't. You're lazy and apathetic. You're not willing to fight. Until that changes, there is no hope for you or your marriage.

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Since taking Red pill 8 months ago, I watch TV once per week. Friday night with wife/or by myself I will watch a movie or a doco. The rest of the week, there is soooo much shit to do, read, gym, house chores, hobbies, meditate, walk etc. etc. etc. Get out of the house, lead a life that interests you!

If she wants space, show her the door, and get on with your life.

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Loads of good advice in here, let me add this. You need to withdraw attention from your wife and put energy into other women. I don't care if you fuck them, or you just catch and release. Maybe even fuck a hooker. Just get out of your wife's frame. Imagine how good it will feel to stick your dick into some tight, hot, young woman. Follow your natural, primal male urges and maybe you can find the man within.

[–]ReddingtonsShitList0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We have a 17 month old daughter. No sex for the past 3 years

There's some fuckery here...

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

married for 3. We have a 17 month old

No sex for the past 3 years although our sex life had been dwindling a even before the marriage.

I quit my amazing job and travelled half the globe to be with her and start a family.

I am really, really creative but I cannot reconcile those 3 quotes.

Nor can I reconcile these 2 quotes:

I'm confused as to what I else I can do to get out of her frame at this point.

Even though I just arrived, I already have more friends than her

Although at least they make sense when you put them together and point you in a clear direction.

this whole lets have space thing

The clear direction is to give her all the space she needs. Don't leave your home or your bed but after "3 years with no sex" it is time to change that. You have tried changing it with your wife and she wants to be a cunt about it. So work on changing your celibacy without your wife for a bit. Get it?

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Wow...I'm overwhelmed with the response. I've been around enough to know where everyone is coming from so all I have to say is thank you. Thank you for all the comments. Contrary to my initial thought, I think I'll keep the account. For what its worth, I've been to going to the gym everyday since posting this, and I'll keep doing that for the next 8 weeks. Beyond that, I'll come up with a plan within the next few days for how to actually start implementing what I've been absorbing so far. I'll continue to post here as well as on OYS to track progress.



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