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WISNIFG & red pill Q

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July 8, 2016

Okay folks.

Reading WISNIFG now. Early on. One of the early examples (page 8-9 in the paperback) is a separated woman who doesn't want to deal with her husband but they work in the same building. She avoids him, walks the other way, etc. The author calls this passive-avoidance (flight in fight or flight).

This seems to conflict with STFU and walk away from shit tests.

I /think/ when I am given a shit test or insulted, STFU and focusing on something else is not passive avoidance - if my mental mindset really is that I am the prize. That is, I'm not "scared" of conflict, I just have better things to do. If she wants me to be around, she can treat me better is the message I want to give with options.

Also - what do you think of fogging? I've been acknowledging aggro comments that seem reasonable but are angrily delivered with non-emotional agreement. Over the past could of days, using that, the responses seemed to have moved to requests, such as "Could you please take your shoes off before entering the house?" / "okay." (not a literal example. Literal one was on touching a curtain when I passed by it, which seems sort of rediculous. Does saying "ok" indicate submission?).

Feels beta and I worry if I continue it will send the wrong message. Thoughts?

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Title WISNIFG & red pill Q
Author logger1234
Upvotes 6
Comments 32
Date 08 July 2016 06:18 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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WISNIFGbetashit testthe red pill

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Personally, I like AM, less effort on my part, but I've understood each plays it's own role.

Shes a psycho emotion freak? AA

She says something stupid, knows it's stupid, and just wanted a fight, AM

She doesn't want a fix, just wants to rant, Fogging.

You may say something stupid, or she isn't respecting your boundaries, Absense.

[–]nopeToThe43rd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks - I'm working hard to internalize fogging; Now I see where I'm likely to use it.

[–]anythingincRed Beret2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

In the example the woman wasn't being assertive, she was being passive. Once she got some balls she quit being passive and handled her shit.

STFU and walking away from a shit test is a pretty neutral thing to do, which is why we suggest it more for people who can't handle more assertive stuff, or are just are not there yet, but it FEELS like a fucking act of war compared to the truely passive method that every man here is used to doing...taking it like a fucking bitch.

The assertive thing is to handle your shit, and when a test comes your way use Red Pill skills like amused mastery, agree/amplify etc...and WISNIFG skills like fogging, broken record, etc... to shut that shit down. WISNIFG skills are great interpersonal skills in general, but the Red Pill skills are great sexual alpha skills, which is why the Red Pill puts so much emphasis on them. Fogging is an assertive way to get you out of a shit test, but amused mastery and some charm from a man with decent SMV can turn that shit test into a fuck fest.

That is why fogging seems a little beta to you. It is an entry level interpersonal skill to deal with criticism, but you have the feeling there is a sexier, more alpha way to handle criticism from your wife, and you're right. Someday soon it will be natural for you to use those methods.

For example: My shoes already come off when entering the house. Fuck it is MY rule. It's my house and I don't want shit everywhere, my gf and I hate vacuuming so why do shit that increases its frequency. That's me handling my shit. Make it YOUR fucking rule too and be sure the next time you see her sitting somewhere in YOUR house with HER shoes on that you saunter up to her, get down on the floor next to her, stroke your hand slowly down her leg and flip those heels off and say "remember baby, no shoes in the house" with a grin while you begin stroking up her feet to the top of her legs erotically. If you can't get a smile out of her then youre in a worse place than I would like.

If my gf told me not to graze the curtains as I pass I would literally stop dead in my tracks, gather a large portion of them and proceed to get as much of it as I could down my pants. She would probably blow a fuse and not be able to respond at all as I say "damn baby this feels so good on my ass, you should try it too," and try to wrestle her pants down enough to rub the curtains on her ass too. Best case scenario I rip the curtains off the wall and we fuck right there on them. Neutral scenario is she flips shit and storms off while I'm pretty amused at myself and my jerk-boy charm. Later she comes to me and says "baby you never take things seriously that really upset me." I'm closing the distance and I have her in my arms and say "I know baby I'm such a jerk, I'm so childish, what are you ever going to do with me..." as I'm feeling her up, 50/50 chance I can get her bra unsnapped. Worst case scenario is that she storms off and never mentions the fucking curtains again. I don't see a bad scenario there but somebody can point out what I'm missing.

[–]IASGame1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Does the carpet match the drapes?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Just how you have enough pant room to fit all those curtains

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

After sex, wipe it on the curtains…….

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

TBH, chances are the curtains are something I picked, so I'd tell her to shut up about my curtains.

Man has to enjoy his castle

[–]anythingincRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Usually, by the time we're ready to move it's dried on, for better or worse.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just another trophy. Better than nailing up the condoms on the wall.

[–]anythingincRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I get in the door the slacks come off and the athletic apparel goes on. You never know when you're gonna need to pull your dick out or wipe curtains on your ass.

And for the record I'm going to up my chances of getting her bra off to 80%.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Curtains, we don't need no stinking curtains……...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Sort of" ridiculous? It doesn't "seem" ridiculous. It is. Very. Treat it that way.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy


"Yeah, ok." (With an AM smirk)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

That /is/ what I did and she objected to my tone. You said "okay" sarcastically!

Then I went beta and said "no, I didn't, just okay."

Should have STFU and walked away? Or better get, laughed it off "It's a CURTAIN!"

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's the bigger picture. Why the fuck do you care what she feels? If my wife made some smarmy comment about curtains I'd laugh at her. As another poster said I too would have wiped my nutsack on them and laughed, "I'm not touching them with my fingers!!" Then watched her storm off. If she tried to escalate I would have talked down to her, "babe they're fucking curtains. Loosen the bone Wilma".

At no point would I have apologized. Because I don't let her judge my actions. That's the point of WISNIFG. She says things to make you feel guilty. Stop that shit and we won't be having this conversation.

[–]anythingincRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honest to fucking god the next time she came in the house there would be fucking blinds there instead of curtains and when she is like "what the fucking fuck" I would say "I. fucking. told. you. I wasn't being sarcastic" just dead pan as fuck like I was telling my doctor how regular my shits are. And then I would go take one, with the door open.

Is that overkill when STFU would have worked, yep. Is it a huge fucking message about how shit is going to be around here, yep. Would the shit storm cover the eastern seaboard, yep. Is every number in her phone gonna hear about it, yep. Are they all gonna tell her that doesn't sound like her husband and send her hamster into overdrive, yep. Is she going to have a funny feeling in her panties, maybe. Do you have the SMV and can the frame youre building handle the fallout, probably not at the moment...but if it could..holy fuck bro, that's when you've made it. Where you are right now it would probably be seen a passive-aggressive bitch move. But someday you're just gonna be a sexy stone cold motherfucker who doesn't take shit and loves an opportunity to fuck with his wife because it usually ends with your cum on her tits.

Responses during the storm. "I've been meaning to replace them anyway, thanks for reminding me." "I decided I'm a blinds kinda guy." "I'm replacing them as they graze my ass." "With blinds it is easier to spy on the neighbors." "Yep, upped the resale value on the ol' homestead an 8th of a percent." "I like the wood blinds here, but I'm going to make you come with me to pick out the ones for the kitchen." And finally "I know change is scary baby, and I'd love to discuss my plans for the other windows, but if I don't start my walk now I won't be done before dark. Bye. Love you." Out the door.

Then the next time she left the house I would text her "these new blinds make it easy to watch your sexy ass, how about bending over a little for me next time."

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

[–]anythingincRed Beret1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I saw him wreck a 100,000 dollar boat because he liked the splash.

I wrote the first sentence and thought, "am I entering her frame?" and then went and read that same post you linked. Then I went and read OP's first post here, where he hasn't been hugged in years, where his wife doesn't eat with the family anymore...and I was fucking pissed. And then I wrote the rest. And OP should be fucking pissed too. And I thought "fuck her frame, rattle the fucking cages. I'm the ring leader and I'm going to kick the fucking lion just so I can crack the whip." I know we preach slow and steady, OI and STFU until you have the SMV and she comes around on her own, and I acknowledged that in my post. But both my posts here discuss what is possible. He couldn't turn touching a curtain into sex either and probably couldn't imagine that it was possible in anyone's reality...but it is, and now he knows, and he has examples of how fuckers do it.

To be honest currently I'd just say "sarcastically? I couldn't be that, I don't even know how many syllables that has." And then we'd be counting syllables with our hands over our mouths and then I would say she kinda looks like an indian doing that and then I would make an indian sound and then pretend to be Chief Sitting Bull, do a war dance, and try to get in my squaw's pants.

But fuck if I was OP I would build a house of cards just to try to make it fall how I wanted. To be fair, I really love to do that, I may have a problem actually, I think I've heard "you sure can press my buttons" from everyone in my life. And is that a version of OI, of IDGAF, of frame, I kinda think so. Your OI, your IDGAF, your AM, your principle of least effort, just took one word, sometimes mine takes 300. Looking at both of our post historys that seems to fit our frames perfectly. Some guy around here used to say "you do you."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He couldn't turn touching a curtain into sex either and probably couldn't imagine that it was possible in anyone's reality...but it is, and now he knows, and he has examples of how fuckers do it.

----> and I Thank you!

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Quite energetic of you. If you get amusement fucking with people's heads, have fun. Most of us would probably label that as a low value activity.

For OP here he is on a collision course with the idea that he has fucked things up royally. One way or another he will snap out of it. Life teaches us the same lessons over and over again until we learn them.

[–]anythingincRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Most of us would probably label [fucking with people's heads] as a low value activity.

Oh yeah? Well, maybe not the image of actively expending effort to fuck with people's heads. We should all just be natural alphas with stratospheric SMV who haven't given a fuck about anything in our lives and have been swimming in abundance since our first pube and deference and respect and submission and adoration and success and hamsters on our wheel just make up our reality. But this is fucking Married Red Pill, we're here so we're not fooling each other, we had/have to work for it. Our sidebar has 30 fucking links on it including like 5 books FFS.

1/3 the shit involved with Married Red Pill involves unfucking your head, another 1/3 involves building your raw SMV, and another third involves fucking with your partners head.

What the fuck is dread and the 12 levels of Dread if not slowly but surely fucking more and more with your partners head? Head Fuck Level One: Deal with Shit Tests. Head Fuck Level 5: Appearance. What the fuck is a "main event" if not the culmination of a long term epic scale head fuck? Half the Sex God Method is literally fucking your partners mind. What is AM and AA if not tingly little head fucks? We just put so much emphasis on the the appearance of low effort when it comes to inter-sexual dynamics. But that doesn't mean higher effort has negligible value. So maybe you meant high effort, instead of low value. I'll agree, the Red Pill maxim is that expending less effort is more alpha. But like I mentioned, we've all expending lots of effort here. And expending effort to fuck with your partner is not anything to be afraid of in my opinion and can be alpha.

I think here we see so many posts where every effort the guy is expending is obviously entering his wife's frame. That's why we have to repeat STFU and absence so much. But that doesn't mean high effort inter-sexual occurrences are necessarily low value blue pill weak frame.

Quite energetic of you.

"She's cheating on you." "Next." "Lift." "Read the sidebar."

Just sticky that and close the sub, save everyone effort.

[–]SorcererKingMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What I meant was fucking with peoples' heads for the sake of it. If that's your thing, go for it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For OP here he is on a collision course with the idea that he has fucked things up royally.

I totally get this. Completely. The experience has been like waking up from a dream. And it's so blindingly obvious!

Now I have to kill some old habits and learn some new ones.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


lil kids telling you what to touch?

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Could you please take your shoes off before entering the house?"

On a side-note, do not be a man-child. If the standard is taking your shoes off, don't be the child that has to be reminded. Wearing shoes inside the house is considered disgusting/disrespectful in many cultures, especially if your not into cleaning floors.

[–]Dobiegillistein0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I wished there was (or maybe there is?) a place online to practice aa, am, fogging, etc. Like a chatroom or forum. Heck even a multiple choice test would be great. The higher the score the higher the mastery of the skills.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'll start a spreadsheet to keep the scores

[–]SDSAM210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do it

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok nubee/OP. Tell us how many times have you denied her sex as of late and over the course of the LTR ?? Spill it !

don't touch the curtains =touch me, you weaksauce !. Doesn't it ?

[–]redearththeory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's a few subtly different things going on here.

She avoids him, walks the other way, etc. The author calls this passive-avoidance

This is avoiding a conflict. Personally I think a strong man should never do this. The mrp technique of STFU and walk away is an aggressive response to female misbehaviour (in an ongoing conflict) that involves withdrawing the things she values: your presence and emotional availability. Abandonment (even temporary) is a strong weapon to hit a woman with. Its most commonly used in response to a torrent of insults and criticism. Accuse her of behaving like a child and then say "if you can't behave like an adult you're not worth my time, I'm going to go do something interesting" and shrug and walk out.

"Could you please take your shoes off before entering the house"

This is her asserting control by trying to make you live by her rules. You should decide what rules you will live by and then inform her. Simply explain to her that she doesn't get to decide what rules you will live by. But consider being softer on this specific example if she's asian or you live in her house.

Literal one was on touching a curtain when I passed by it, which seems sort of rediculous.

Again, this is her trying to assert her right to decide the rules you will live by. Shrug and tell her you'll touch whatever you want to in your own house. If you feel like having some fun, start verbally attacking her for whatever color shirt she's wearing. Then point out how ridiculous it is for you to nitpick her behavior at that level. This is A&A in a slightly harder edged form.

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