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Body Hair Removal?

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June 27, 2016

After a year of MAPing, I'm self-sufficient in nearly every aspect of my life and I've identified for-hire service for anything I wouldn't directly execute. In a mental exercise to determine what exactly I still need my wife to do for me, I came up with this issue:

I'm blessed with an abundance of hair. My dad is in his 70s and not balding. Both my grandpas had hair to their deaths. Unfortunately, this abundance also applies to my chest, back, arms, and legs. For the last 16 years, my wife has clippered my back and shoulders every few weeks. I shave my own butt and balls. Despite living in a very progressive, West Coast, feminized-male-accepting, major metropolitan city, I am having the damndest time finding someone to do large-scale manscaping besides a full-on, expensive laser/electrolysis. I even called a waxing salon about my back and they (actually) laughed, saying "Sure, I guess we could do something like that..." which led me to think that was an unusual request.

WTF are you other hairy guys doing about this to not rely on your wives?

(edit: In the age of Craigslist, I can probably find a shaver operator for hire. There's got to be a more elegant solution though.)

Followup question:

According to the words of women, preferences for body hair on men seems to be widely varied. However, besides the notable examples of young Sean Connery and Burt Reynolds, there aren't really any modern dudes universally accepted as "sexy" (by women's actions) that sport much body hair of any kind. Since one of the drivers behind Dread and the physical portion of the MAP is to make one's self attractive to ALL women, not just the one you have, conforming to the universal image of male attractiveness by full-scale manscaping seems like easy pickings. I'm certain my gainz would be more visually-dramatic without the hair-sweater.

All other things being equal, have any of you guys compared the response of women to your bodies with and without hair?

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Title Body Hair Removal?
Author 2gunsgetsome
Upvotes 6
Comments 19
Date 27 June 2016 03:32 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/207361
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/4q3x9q/body_hair_removal/
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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm currently not trying to post much as I'm a noob just trying to STFU, read up and LIFT... but I think I can help in this area. I was cursed with early male pattern baldness AND a freaking hairy body, including my back which used to look like a fur coat.

First think I did in my early 20's was wax my back. Bad choice. It hurts (think Steve Carrell in 40 Year Old Virgin) and it grows back weeks later.

Then I tried electrolysis. I liked it at first because it was not as painful, but it got expensive over time because she could only remove about one square inch per hour of work.

Then I found the best solution -- Laser Hair Removal. In about four 30 minute sessions over a few months, ALL the hair on my back was removed permanently. They even told me it's not 100% permanent, but it has been about 9 years now and only about 3% has grown back. I spent about about $700 total and it was well worth it. You can shop around laser hair removal salons to find good pricing, but make sure you choose an experienced and licensed specialist. There are horror stories of people who got severely burned and scarred by going to the wrong place.

[–]2gunsgetsome[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Solid info. Thanks!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Guys on ship used to handle each other before foreign ports. Mutually assured no homo.

Make friends with a Persian guy I guess.

[–]bogeyd6Mod / Red Militia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have had women say they do not like much hair and this held true through their actions. Others said they "needed" a guy with body hair. Their actions back that up. IMO - it's kind of like being a tit/ ass man

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

what did you do before her??

[–]2gunsgetsome[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

what did you do before her??

Nothing. 4 times in HS, I shaved my whole body for the state swim meet (and itched like hell for 2 weeks after). Those times, one of the girls from the team did my back. The rest of the time I was hairy. Then I started dating my wife and she did it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You should probably make some further phone calls. Guys getting waxed is de rigueur these days. Especially in the kind of city you describe so there's bound to be more than one salon that offers the service. Ask at the gym.

make one's self attractive to ALL women

When you figure that one out please let me know. I have fair hair so I don't have a ton of body hair and what I do have is light. I think some dig it and some don't. Like everything else.

[–]blarggggggggggg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Call and ask around for recommendations at a couple of the real gyms, this is standard stuff for bodybuilders.

[–]CountpudyoolaMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You know, the quicker we all stop trying to look like pre-pubescent boys the quicker these fads fade.

The actor Paul Blackthorne goes proud. I do as well.

Although it is a must to keep the ears and noise clear of aged-professor strays.

[–]2gunsgetsome[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Chest hair is all good. I probably won't get rid of that. But I bet even that guy does something about his back hair.

[–]IASGame0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm on YaReally's / RSD side on the looks vs game debate.


I think looks don't matter nearly as much as you seem to think as long as you own it and are confident about it. But if you yourself don't like having the extra "fur" then by all means, manscape it.


I still support the main advice of "Go lift", particularly for MRP where you are "stuck" without wanting to pull a "Next", getting fitter is a pretty solid soft reset when you don't have access to a hard one.

[–]2gunsgetsome[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't mind the fur on the parts that aren't my back, butt, and balls. If I do end up shaving it, it'll be to see my muscle definition, not directly to impress the ladies. Sometimes I get a little gay for myself when I gaze at my swole ripples after a good press and chinup session. I should have made my questions a bit more separated.

That said, regarding the looks vs. game balance, I'll make an analogy:

In my professional life and hobbies, I make a point to buy and use the very best tools available, if only for the mental reinforcement that if whatever I produced was not of top quality, it was my skill to blame, never the tools. I know a poor craftsman never blames his tools, and a good craftsman can produce amazing things with shitty tools, but I see no point in intentionally handicapping myself. Somewhere I read a related quote from Carlos Santana about why he played PRS guitars and Mesa amps- he chose tools of paramount quality and reliability so he could focus on playing instead of worrying that his gear might fail.

Besides instilling confidence in yourself by using the best tools, showing up to a job or a gig with top notch equipment makes an initial impression on your customer and your peers before you even start working that you are skilled in your craft at a sufficient level to justify owing top notch tools. Now, that’s not to say their opinion wouldn’t change once you demonstrated incompetence, but you’re starting with the benefit of the doubt instead of swimming upstream. I apply a LOT more supervision to a technician who shows up with Harbor Freight tools tossed randomly in a milk crate than I do over the guy who rolls in with Snap-ons in a shadowed and inventoried chest. When a junior engineer uses his shitty Chinese calipers to measure something critical, I immediately say “Do you trust that measurement?” and hand him my Brown & Sharpe’s.

So what's my analogy? Attractive Looks are a tool, Game is the skill. If I show up with the best quality tool I can (look good and know it), the initial impression is that I know what I’m doing. Resistance to openers is non-existent and it’s on me if the interaction tanks because of my lack of skill using my top notch tool. Can those craftsmen with strong game overcome the handicap of sloppy looks? Of course they can, but why make that a thing on purpose?

Practically, my "game" career is very short. In the past, I had none (and didn't even know it was a thing); I've had quite a few humiliations because of poor game and also a few because of my dorky appearance. In the last year, through lifting and conscious style upgrades, I've improved my appearance quite a bit, to the point that I regularly receive flattering comments from women. I didn't make any of those changes overnight. Over the same time span, I've also been learning and applying PUA Game. (Remember, I'm a detail-oriented historian kind of guy so I pay attention to reactions to the variables I change. Make all the aspie jokes you want, but if you like flying in airplanes that don’t crash, you can thank guys like me.) As my appearance improved (probably also my confidence), my success with game (on strange women) followed proportionally. Doing everything I can to look sharp gives me confidence. Having a hairless back is only a small part of my overall appearance and in the winter, no one can even see it. But now that it’s lake and beach season, I’ll have my shirt off so it matters.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

but if you like flying in airplanes that don’t crash, you can thank guys like me

I thank you and guys like you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, back hair pretty much neutralizes everything though lol. It's like a woman with a moustache. Yuck.

Chest, arm pits, happy trail and women green light. Back hair- women squealing the brakes. Lol

[–]The_Litz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post got me thinking.....

I am not super hairy but hairy enough to be self concious about the hair on my back.

Thanks for the motivation, I went to a laser hair removal clinic today and had my first session on my back and neck.

[–]ZeeyardSA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A bit late to the Party however I get my shoulders, Back, Nape(back of neck - Hurts like a motherfucker) and upper facial cheeks waxed. If you can afford the lazer go for it, I cant so waxing for me until I can afford Lazer.

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