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Starting to understand the need of balancing redpill concepts

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May 12, 2016
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Previously, i had tried hard to maintain an "alpha" persona all the time. I genuinely believed that one beta moment could potentially ruin a LTR. Now I'm beginning to understand this isn't the case. Maintaining a strong frame is important but there is always a margin for error and messing up isn't the end of the world.

Being aware of and applying these concepts even 50% of the time does a lot of good. It puts you ahead of the pack but so many of us are so used to reading these concepts we take them for granted. Generally men are left guessing during interactions and only start to get it after much painful failure.

I think we can be extremely hard on ourselves and live like "preppers" constantly waiting for the apocalypse. When really we have fortified and armed ourselves to the teeth and forget to enjoy what we're fighting for.

also, I've noticed that the asktrp sub is a lot more dramatic than here. Perhaps it's the age group or lack of LTR subs.


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Title Starting to understand the need of balancing redpill concepts
Author rathalos1
Upvotes 7
Comments 25
Date 12 May 2016 11:04 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/207432
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/4j3f1r/starting_to_understand_the_need_of_balancing/
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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Stop thinking in terms of alpha and beta and think of high value and low value.

A high value man can still show emotion, give comfort, do all of the things that the stereotypical "alpha" doesn't do.

[–]SepeanRed Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You should think in terms of alpha and beta.

"High value alpha" gets you dramatically different results than "high value beta."

Alpha and beta are at the very core of understanding attraction.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

When you get further into mrp, you are correct.

Newcomers equate alphas with asshole, and that's how they project their being alpha. It causes more problems than it solves.

For a new guy, it's better to act like a high value man than an alpha until you can internalize exactly what it means to be an alpha.

Besides, I'm in the camp that believes that alphas are born, not made. You can imitate alpha behaviors, but why try and be something you will never be. You can, however, learn to be a high value man.

[–]SepeanRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Newcomers equate alphas with asshole, and that's how they project their being alpha. It causes more problems than it solves.

Asshole alpha is still better than not being alpha.

For a new guy, it's better to act like a high value man than an alpha until you can internalize exactly what it means to be an alpha.

High value betas aren't attractive. Practicing that is pointless.

You should practice what you need to learn, and that is how to be more alpha.

Ramp it up slowly, sure, but it is alpha you want.

Besides, I'm in the camp that believes that alphas are born, not made. You can imitate alpha behaviors, but why try and be something you will never be. You can, however, learn to be a high value man.

This is a sub about sexual strategy. Alpha gets you sex; high value doesn't (except to the degree it overlaps with being alpha).

I'm sure there's a genetic component to being alpha; and there's a genetic component to being intelligent, having self discipline and being able to change. All of that combines and lets you channel a certaing degree of alphaness.

If you've reached your limit, that is what it is, but don't go around telling people that there's a non-alpha way to hot sex. There isn't.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Are you new here? Have you read MMSLP? He addresses this very thing.

[–]rathalos1[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

No i have not. I will have a look now.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's hard to believe you are balancing concepts what you haven't learned them yet

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In the first section of the book, he talks about how, in relationships, especially marriages, we have to balance alpha and beta traits. It is not about being alpha or beta but knowing when and how to exhibit these traits.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

This place is very different from askTRP. The sidebar prerequisites in /r/marriedredpill are a good start. The top posts are good. The big differences here are that we don't accept the victim mentality and we take ownership of our lives and our choices.
 

I genuinely believed that one beta moment could potentially ruin a LTR.

There's good beta and bad beta. Bad beta will fuck up a relationship. Good beta will strengthen it. The right balance of alpha and good beta behavior is different for everyone. Hell, it's different from week to week. The most important thing is that it's all on your terms.

[–]SubPrimeMate0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So true. We need to remember this is supposed to be fun. Nobody in here is doing it 100% of the time, because being on Reddit and reading about gaming your wife is not Alpha. Every post id Verba, non Acta. I agree, sometimes we need to take a chill pill with the red pill. Then we need to get in the gym and push fucking hard. Thats fun.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I genuinely believed that one beta moment could potentially ruin a LTR.

Did you get this idea from MRP or from TRP or some other source? This is completely wrong and we talk about balancing Alpha and Beta on MRP- but I have seen this misconception stated before many times.

the asktrp sub is a lot more dramatic than here.

What does that mean?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

More punctuation marks

[–]rathalos1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I got it from reading TRP.

Dramatic in the sense of how little margin for error there is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dramatic? Hmm I'd have said lacking in subtlety, a sense of proportion, and variety in the treatment of its favorite topic.

This is more than compensated for by the fact that it's often funny as shit.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Previously, i had tried hard to maintain an "alpha" persona all the time. I genuinely believed that one beta moment could potentially ruin a LTR.

Alpha and beta are two separate qualities, they are not eachothers opposite.

You should not be afraid of beta - you should be afraid of signalling low alpha.

Think of your actions as having both an alpha and a beta component. A strong, daring leadership action can be both very alpha and very beta. Keeping a tidy home is plus beta but likely neutral on the alpha. Doing her favors she could do herself is plus beta but minus alpha.

It's the minus alpha stuff you have to watch out for.

[–]reborn_redUnplugging - pregnant LTR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keeping a tidy home is plus beta but likely neutral on the alpha. Doing her favors she could do herself is plus beta but minus alpha.

Ive read NMMNG and MMSLP (nearly). Is this concept you talk about covered in another of the sidebar books? It is an interesting way of viewing ones actions.



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