I don't care about dressing up (but I guess I should). Opinions?

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January 25, 2016

I started lifting almost right after finding the Red Pill and more recently I also started tracking what I eat (major props to Redneck001).


Lifting I like (surprise).


Eating more and tracking the food is boring drudgery but I'm getting used to it. If I could get away with healthily drinking a shake with all my macro and micro nutrients I seriously would do it.


Another common advice is to start dressing up. I'm often tempted at getting several copies of the same clothes to bother even less with what to wear.


I realize I'm sounding a bit like a cartoon character with the nutrient shake and copied garments, but I'm seriously tempted.


I'd like to read the brutally honest opinion of people here (as usual) because clothing is really something that I care very little about, and if I am to power through with discipline I need to convince myself.


Exercise I always liked and there is the health aspect. Eating properly is also obviously important for the health aspect.


Dressing up (beyond not being in dirty rags) seems to really be just appearances with no health benefits. I understand and know that society reacts differently. But if I do it, I feel like I'm doing it for others (my wife, society) and not for myself. Does this make sense to anyone here?

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Title I don't care about dressing up (but I guess I should). Opinions?
Author IASGame
Upvotes 11
Comments 64
Date 25 January 2016 10:17 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]youcantdenythat9 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy

I don't know about you but when I go to the barber and get a good haircut and dress well I feel like a million bucks.

It's not the looks but the winner attitude that women are very attracted to. This will help your wife in multiple ways. First, she will be more attracted to you. Second, she knows other women are more attracted and she will be careful to keep you happy. To keep you happy, she will figure that maybe she should "up" her game.

It's a win win for everyone involved.

Let's flip this around too. Serious question: Why don't you want to dress nicely? Do you see a down-side to it? Is it laziness / lack of motivation? I would challenge you to make a list of pros and cons.

[–]IASGame[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

"Why don't I want to dress nicely?"

Lack of motivation is not it because self-improvement is about discipline rather than "motivation". The fundamental issue is that I don't see it as self-improvement internally.

Another point is that I prefer to be comfortable and certain types of clothes for whatever reason make me more comfortable. A particular example are denim jackets, which probably are unfashionable for men since the 80s (or never were fashionable for men, perhaps). I also stereo-typically like trench coats (no fedora yet, at least). That kind of stuff makes me feel better.

Unlike you (and others) I don't think I'd feel better or more confident for doing it regularly as I don't feel that way in the few occasions I do suit up.

The only pro I can identify is that if I do it I stand to get better reaction from others, but that feels fake, not congruent, like "selling out" because it is not coming internally. That is what I'm trying to articulate but maybe I'm not explaining it well.

[–]strategos_autokratorRed Beret7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

I used to think just like you. It was just my hamster telling me to be lazy about how to dress. But i started looking around, and realize it is just like the same research i do for anything else.

Self-improvement is in all areas. Learning how to dress well for your style is an internal thing. The internal changes include, first, budgeting time for your own well being, improved self-confidence, and a more coherent image of yourself. The outward changes are you look better, higher SMV, and get a nice wardrobe. Women pay a lot of attention about how you dress, and buying some well thought out items can make you stand out. Good clothes for men can be very good value (it will last long and are functional, the price is worth it), you just need to research.

There are some things that you just can't allow no matter what, like having bad fitting clothes. That is uncomfortable and makes you look bad. So learn about good fitting clothes.

/r/malefashionadvice/ has many resources, including some for different ages and styles. As you learn, your wardrobe will change, and it is easy to look good. Looking good is NOT about being uncomfortable. Also, it is ok to give things a personal touch ON PURPOSE even it is old fashioned and used as an "accent" or for "peacocking". What is not ok is to do it out of lazyness or just getting stuck in weird habits for no good reason. It is like everything: learn the rules BEFORE you break them, so you know WHY you broke them. I used to have these signature things that i thought as my style, and upon looking back, i realized they just looked terrible on me, didnt' really suit me, i wore them not frmo a good self-assessment of who i am and how i look, but out of strange immature images of how i wanted to look.

I also thought i had a geeky style before. but as i worked on self improvement, i started getting better fitting shirts, pants, shoes, etc, and slowly, i changed how i look. i didn't just decided to have a new look, it was just that i got more interested in other things, and i look much better. this wasn't a betrayal, i still wear old items, but i wear them in a more meaningful way now, which adds to my look, and to my own self image. i'm still a geek in many ways, but now it comes as one of my many sides of my well-rounded image, instead of just looking like every stupid geek out there that looks like a teen. I'm first a man, and have many dimensions, and my clothes help me project this.

[–]IASGame[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That makes sense to me and helps, thanks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

theres the rare poster in there worth listening too. last I remember, everyone was into that NY ninja look.

Better than most though, I am a huge peacoat fan

[–]strategos_autokratorRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lot of them aim for looks that do not fit my style or age. There is too much stupid crap too. It is like everything, filter to find the valuable stuff. I do like the basic stuff on how to fit clothes properly, and also some of the guides for my age. I've found some good suggestions for good value big items and such. I bought a nice leather jacket following some of their suggestions on how to pick one, and it has gotten me soooo many compliments from women it is crazy, really crazy. I've done similar things with many things in my wardrobe. Just being more deliberate about what i buy has helped me get better value, and look better. And the sub is just one component of how to research this stuff.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Another point is that I prefer to be comfortable and certain types of clothes for whatever reason make me more comfortable

A lot of people are comfortable in shitty loose fitting clothes. It's because it's not making a statement, and they don't want to deviate from the herd. It's why all teens wear hoodies and jeans.

As far as the fake, thats an insecurity problem, not the clothes. jean jackets can be just fine, get a nice light wash, layer it properly 2

trench coats are there too. I have one myself, for the rain.

but point is this. Do you shave every day? You should (unless beard) shower every day? all the things in your morning ritual signal something about yourself, and it speaks louded than all your game does.

comapre this

to this

See the difference? Everything you show to the world signals something. and even the dreaded fedora can have two different looks, depending on what you put it with.

SO ditch all the tshirts (there are exceptions, but thats another story) keep one pair of dark jeans, straight or slim fit. buy the various different types of collared shirts out there, a few pairs of chinos, stick to a certain colour palate (blues and greys, reds and browns etc, or mix and match if you have lots of shirts)

that starts you off with a single layer outfit, the more combination of outfits you have, the more stylish you will be. This is where you can add the little things. A hat, belts, scarves, glasses, wristbands, watches, shoes. they are that little attention to detail that not only pique a womans interest, but a man too.

I see it all the time here. Guys in nice suits in the business district, and those same shitty shoes that tell me he looks like shit, but has a suit, then you see someone who has the details down pat with a classic shoe, business appropriate. It signals to those around you that you have attention to detail. That you give a shit.

I mean, if you don't give a shit about yourself, why would you give a shit about them or their problems? That ties into the 'only value you have is what you can offer to others' bit about intrinsic male value.

So yeah, you can NGAF when you dress, but you are flat out telling people you DGAF, and they will respond appropiately


Do you keep a clean house? or do you DGAF there when guests come over as well?

[–]IASGame[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Good points as usual.

Just to get this out of the way, I shower every other day unless I sweat a lot (then every day). Doesn't showering every day mess up the skin?

I don't shave everyday and when I do I get a rash under the chin, should probably figure that out. I like myself with the short beard look I get from not shaving for a few days, even my wife (claims to?) like that look on me. Like the guy on your last link that isn't shoes.

When I'm around her I shave more frequently to not scratch her with it.

I won't even get started on shoes. I'll start on the other stuff first and consider wearing uncomfortable shoes that aren't flexible just to look better later.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Doesn't showering every day mess up the skin?

It can, throw some baby oil or lotion on. I'll take that hurdle over having day old sweat from the gym on me.

Besides, if it's that much a concern, just start taking pusser showers (get wet, water off, lather, water on, rince, water off.)

If dry skin is at all a concern, you'll never go back to normal.

If it helps for the rash, have you switched to a safety razor yet? How good is your face prep? those two things alone will fix 99% of shaving problems. when I'm scratchy, the spouse complains, but I don't shave it to make her feel better. I get laid and kissed, if she gets the tingles, a few pricks aren't going to stop it.

Question, when you say uncomfortable shoes, are you talking just plain oxfords? Is the metal bar through some uncomfortable, or is it just sneakers FTW?

If it's the latter, it might be because you've worn 'comfy' shoes so long that your feet muscles are weak, and make you prone to foot pain. Leather shoes become very flexible, you just have to wear them in a little first.

Case in point. i have a pair of my Mark 2 parade boots, I'm throing a picture up here in a sec. Probably the stiffest, non-moveable shoes around. iron bar through the sole, will rip skin from flesh when new.

After wearing them in for a period, they are some of the comfiest I own. most shoes take 1/10th the work to have them fit well. I'll throw up a brand new pair of my brown oxfords for an example. thrown with a blue suit, I look put together, take the above posts shoe for example, two totally different looks.

I'm not saying I'm the be all and end all with this stuff, but it is stronger than your conversation skills are, and can put you on the back foot with new interactions

brown oxford parade boot

[–]IASGame[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Shaving reply: for iceman, I have an impression from years ago of considering an electric and that it was worse for irritable skin when compared with wet shaving. Probably things advanced since then and maybe it was only cheaper ones that sucked.

Safety razor I considered it many times, but I pussy out because I'm afraid of cutting myself. I have a few (fortunately barely visible) horizontal scars because sometimes I actually cut myself with Gilette-type blades. Which is probably really funny so, happy to share that to amuse anyone.

Face prep is splashing water a few times so that the hair and skin is moist, then I put a specific shaving cream for sensitive skin, and start off. When I get a rash it often comes with tiny pus-filled blisters which really annoys me. It is mostly under the chin.

Shoes reply: I'm nearly exclusively sneakers unless I'm hiking or something like that and wear boots for the purpose. I mostly cycle rather than drive which is also relevant - if I was wearing shiny shoes they would require lots of maintenance to stay shiny.

I have a sneakers that pass off as regular shoes from the distance which I use in more formal occasions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've had mine for probably 7 years, only ever cut myself once. It's stupid easy to use if you don't rush it while hung over on a cold dry face. I always do it out of the shower, otherwise a hot wet cloth over my face for a minute to soften the hair and prep. little oil on my face if I'm feeling fancy, then brush and a tin of shaving cream until it lathers, paint brush application, and three passes.

first pass with the grain, second pass perpendicular, third pass against. you walk out with 10 minutes of meditation, and a face smoother than your dick. I cannot reccomend it more to people

And INB4 some of the business people here get to it, your shoes suck. They don't pass for a regular shoe, trust me.

And maintenance is part of it. You aren't going to convince me that a little work on a 10 year invesment (life of a good shoe) is too much. I've polished dozens of shoes, hundreds of times over the years. husbandry is a masculine skill for a reason. Just be glad someone doesn't make you shine your shoes to a mirror finish, then make you walk through the mid with them so you can polish and clean them for the next morning. a pair of overshoes will cover them through any weather problem. Though my bike shoes are cliped, so the shoes would be in a bag on my back anyways.

But either way, riding a bike is one of those times where sneakers are appropriate. Thats the key really, appropriate. Wearing them to a formal event just, isn't IMO

[–]its-iceman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I own both a safety razor and the Braun and prefer the Braun. Don't get me wrong, sometimes I bust out the razor and give myself a nice hot shave. Especially when the jawline gets messy (the Braun isn't a surgical tool). But sometimes I can end up with bumps from the safety razor. Usually helps to take a hot shower before doing it.

[–]its-iceman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So trim your beard to keep the stubble and shave your neck and cheeks daily to keep a good jawline and things tidy.

If you have sensitive skin (I do) try a good electric. I dropped $200 on a nice Braun a few years back and now spend about 30 seconds shaving my neck and cheeks every day and have zero irritation.

[–]ford_contourRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Regarding the scratchy beard: tiny amounts of a $1 trial sized hand lotion applied daily to my beard took it from incredibly scratchy to not scratchy at all.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know the clothes are right when women want to touch you.

[–]tim_rp2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The point is to just make sure you look a little better than the next guy, IMHO.

The easy way to do it is to make sure your shoes and jacket are a level smarter than average. And probably more collared shirts.

[–]mrpCamper2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

If it is something that doesn't interest you but you feel it is important then make it important. Call it your weakness that you need to address. Own it. Get a subscription to GQ and subscribe to r/malefashionadvice for starters. Figure out why it is important.

The superior man will be well dressed for the occasion. As stated clearly by others, this does not mean fancy name brands. It means dressed for the occasion. Typically, Americans are under dressed for any occasion. So, dressing for the occasion will make you look nicer than others. Being fit will also make you look nice. If you are the only fit person who is dressed for the occasion, your wife will notice this, think more of you and your alpha path will be clearly marked.

[–]ford_contourRed Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Last time I was in /r/malefashionadvice it was full of idiot teenagers. OPs mileage may vary. :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's like TRP, theres the endorsed guys who have pretty solid advice.

and a whole lot of filler

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can relate completely and used to feel the same way. Here's what finally opened my eyes: I realized one day that the guys (strangers, not friends) that I instinctively identified as "winners" we're all well dressed. I'm not saying I thought "There's a well dressed man." To the contrary, the whole process was invisible to my conscious self, and I always chalked it up to something else - he's confident, or athletic, or whatever. Until one day I realized that I never tagged a slob as a "winner" - it was always somebody well dressed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Ever come out of a nice hot shower after working out, and have your wife or SO, or random girl smell you? and swoon? You like that feeling? Does it make you feel good to have a demonstration of your attractiveness to the other sex?

Its like that but with clothes. You should look good in what you wear, your clothes should be fitted to your body type and should be appropriate to your environment.

Its about showing that you give a shit about yourself, its about demonstrating outwardly that you are the prize. It is a statement that you care about yourself, and others should care about you.

This seems like validation seeking... its not. It is a very very basic DHV.

[–]IASGame[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

If random women smell me I think I'd feel uncomfortable, also as over60 says that women want to touch me - I don't want random women touching me either. Maybe I'm weird in that.

Making my wife swoon is nice though.

My mental block is I already know that I give a shit about myself, I'm failing at caring enough about demonstrating it outwardly.

[–]strategos_autokratorRed Beret0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Why do you feel uncomfortable with getting women to communicate with you in those raw ways? Smell and touch are essential for game and communicating alphaness. Have the frame that when they do, you aren't uncomfortable and can manage it alphaness. That is an internal change you need to work on.

The way to make your wife swoon IS to make all women swoon, period. Anything else is oneitis and very beta. Women do want a man that could cheat. Read Rollo on this subject. I think a lot of beta ideas are blinding your self improvement options.

[–]IASGame[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It is not just women, I don't like people close to me in general unless I know them well. I'm getting better at least faking comfort.

This is also at the root of my dislike for grappling martial arts that I mentioned in some other thread.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah, fair enough.

just internalize this is a fault, and something that needs to be worked on

[–]strategos_autokratorRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Planning something to face discomfort is a stoic exercise that I find very useful.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

get over it. A hobo probably cares about himself too.... but can't show it. Take advantage of your ability .

[–]ford_contourRed Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think you're just rebelling at bad fashion advice you have received.

Steve Jobs wore the same thing every time he appeared on public, and looked fantastic doing it. If that's you, go for it!

Here's the fashion rules you should not reject:

  1. Everything you wear should fit your body. This trick like 80% of how people in Hollywood films look so good.

  2. Anywhere you've got hair, trim it once in awhile. Don't have to get rid of it, just trim it. You'll be surprised at the difference it makes in your overall look. Makes you look intentional. Planned. Satisfied with yourself.

  3. Learn what doesn't work for you, and avoid buying anything new in that type of clothes. I started doing this maybe four years ago, and now my wardrobe looks hand picked. Like I bought it all at once, coordinated. Themes that work for me emerged. All just by not buying more of anything that didn't look good on the mirror, no matter how great the price.

You can totally rock a dead simple wardrobe. I only wear maybe four colors myself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

well I did cringe at his dad jeans all the time. I think he was a case of branding. if he wasn't a billionaire, it wouldn't work

that and no one has worn a turtleneck since woz was soldering circuits in the basement

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy

This is where I am conflicted with MRP. My advice to your masculine nature is that You do you, as long as you own the I don't care about fashion identity.

As for your marriage, depends on the wife, but my advice for your marriage is to care about fashion.

edit I care about looking good, but not designers or labels.

I wore a plaid shirt, my american flag hat, and jeans today with a winter jacket.

I have a few suits and button ups. I feel that I need a good pair of shoes (60 DoD goal).

So I cant really relate to truly not giving a shit, so take my advice with that backstory.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy

labels != fashion or style. Thats convincing emotional status seeking shoppers into giving up their consumer surplus for someone else trying to build status for them. bought status is the epitome of 'faking it'

I'm in slim fit jeans and a black dress shirt, USN peacoat and wool scarf today... Pretty casual by anyones standards, but it's appropriate for the situation. Yours probably fit in better to where you live.

but I bet you wouldn't wear it to visit the president.. Because style is about dressing appropriately for the sitaution.

Graphic T shirts and dad jeans aren't signalling anything, and that itself is a very negative signal

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

You dress like a Canadian.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol, wait until I go full "no homo"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Waiting…….. :-}

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And... Gone

[–]ZeeyardSA3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Graphic T shirts

My t shirts now cling to me and show of my traps, The 1st thing i get told by someone who has not seen me in a few months is Damn you are looking good Zee, When I am wearing a T shirt...However I have drifted away from them and prefer wearing a fitted Shirt with a jeans these days

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

yup. I get why girls talk about forearms being cleavage for men. when you're well dressed, it's how they gauge your fitness.

[–]ZeeyardSA1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I have also noticed that the Betas take notice and are very attentive to what you do and what you say.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

thats why I head DGAF when people talk about clothes, and it just sounds like fear to me. equated to:

just be yourself. they will like you for who you are.

Good, then signal that yourself isn't a bag of shit

[–]ZeeyardSA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

just be yourself. they will like you for who you are

BWAHAHAHAHAH.....Yes until you get a nice firm round ASS and some thick thighs and solid shoulders.....Wrapped in clothes that fit you correctly magically LOTS of people just automatically like you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Graphic T shirts and dad jeans aren't signalling anything

It is a part of the complacency & 'giving up' aspect of marriage/dad/weaksauce dudes out there.

My T's are only for lifting. I wear a lot of thermals, sweaters, polos, button downs, etc. I have a few Navy Moto shirts, but again, they fit the situation if worn out of the house.

[–]TheOakenshield3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Completely agree.

As long as you dress well in terms of what you like and do you, your fine.

Keep in mind that who you are is who you attract. Clothing plays a role in that. Fine by me. I don't like skinny jeans, wouldn't fit into them, and I don't want a woman who likes guys in skinny jeans anyway.

Point being, be realistic about who your style is going to attract and if you want to attract a different crowd determine if the necessary changes are in line with what you want.

[–]strategos_autokratorRed Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Everything worn has to be done with intent. That is how you make style. It is too easy for beta men to fall into a trap of lazyness when dressing with stuff that is ill-fitting, or fashion choices out of a teenage idea of coolness. That is bad. These men look like grown-up teens. Often focus only on what the wife will like, which is the same mentality of kids whose mothers would choose their clothes for them all the time, so they seek that validation.

What is good is every item you but you do it with intent, make sure it fits you well and is functional, and it adds to your image, whatever that image is. A simple example is if you see people wearing a suit and it doesn't fit well, or they have bad posture, they look terrible and weak. But the same person with a fitting suit, and proud to wear it looks like a million bucks, projecting confidence, and feeling more confident.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

These men look like grown-up teens. Often focus only on what the wife will like

Solid points dude, I think your point on each item having a purpose is the biggest takeaway for any man.

[–]strategos_autokratorRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've reread your post, and I agree with what you said, i was just clarifying. The point isn't too look "fashionable" as in what TV says you should look like. That is seeking an image outside yourself to please others, and is weak.

However, there is value of understand how your body and your clothes interact with each other and make sure they give a coherent image where the clothes add to you and you add to the clothes. That is what is alpha, and what attracts women.

[–]Redneck001Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I picked two celebrities, and created my own look by stealing parts of theirs. Tim McGraw and The Rock.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You know, it really is as easy as that.

Too many guys suffer from analysis paralysis over everything. Just pull the fucking trigger, jump without knowing where you'll land and make it up as you go.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dressing up (beyond not being in dirty rags) seems to really be just appearances with no health benefits

Look up the term "signalling", and then come back here and read how silly you sounded.

[–]IASGame[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I looked it up, and if it is signalling in the economics sense I still don't see how silly I sounded.

I understand it will affect how others perceive me, not disputing that.

Is your claim that by having others perceive me better that will provide (psychological) health benefits?

Or is your claim that it will affect how I perceive myself and therefore provide (psychological) health benefits?

[–]strategos_autokratorRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is your claim that by having others perceive me better that will provide (psychological) health benefits? Or is your claim that it will affect how I perceive myself and therefore provide (psychological) health benefits?


[–]SexistFlyingPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The red pill isn't just in your mind, it's how you present yourself, and how others see you. This is a really important thing for you to understand. How you present yourself is important.

Do you think those neckbeards think of themselves as fat and unattractive? No, they think they are ROCKIN the fedora. You think you're fine in trashy clothes? You're wrong. Better clothes present a different image to the world.

I was a teacher once, and I always wore a shirt and tie. Once there was an after school event where some kids were making a lot of noise, and the other people in the building called the police. When the police looked showed up, they looked around for "who is in charge." They saw me, with how I was dressed, and I approached them immediately. They spoke to me as though I was the one in charge (and because they did, I WAS the one in charge). The actual administrator couldn't get any attention from the police. I handled the situation and everything was resolved amicably.

What you wear matters.

[–]stargazer350 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I found the MRP and started to lift I was amazed I enjoyed it too. Never exercised in my life and I'm 38. Wifey calls me Gym junkie now! I re-did my wardrobe too and I can echo the other comments, it did/does make me feel more confident (as does lifting).

As a simple example, the other day I put some decent clothes on just to go to Tesco to sort out a mobile SIM, just for the sake of making the effort. Accidently I went to completely the wrong place in store (woman behind counter was boxing up a mobile) and started to talk her through what I wanted for the SIM deal. She stopped me after 2 mins and I realized I was totally in the wrong place. Old me would have got embarrased apologized and GTFO of there. I just burst out laughing at myself for being a prat, she laughed too and all of a sudden, the next minute, bang IOIs from her. Wow. Thankfully wifey was elsewhere at the time.

EDIT for your diet tracking and macros - MyfitnessPal app is where its at. Free, easy, sets and tracks your callories/macros and has a barcode scanner.

[–]chief_slap_ahoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Get a nice fit in a v-neck t-shirt that shows just a little chest hair and your collarbone wings. Nice jeans and a pair boots. This will be fine for most.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for this! I am the same way.

Reading and listening.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I try to dress age appropriate and that covers most of the bases.

Over 40 and wearing an ironic t-shirt? I'll know to ask you where the next Magic-the-Gathering meet up is.

Bumming around the house it's hard to care to dress up. Working in the yard it's whatever is weather appropriate.

I live in a land of golfers and polos. So shorts and a Polo is highly acceptable around here. No one voluntarily wears long sleeve shirts for most of the year here, and unless you're going clubbing a sport coat is overkill and can easily come across as looking like you're trying too hard. Also too much "style" and people will think you're either gay. Not saying I agree or care...just that's how it is.

I have a few nice shirts and tons of slacks for work... so I can tone it up for either if I feel without much effort.

The trick is there are lots of comfortable clothes that don't look bummy and are easy maintenance.

[–]alphabeta49Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tanner Guzy (masculine-style.com) has a great few articles (look for his "start here" download) about why men should dress better. Like the others have said, signalling is a huge part of it. Your outward appearance, shallow as it may be, is the number one most important contributor to a person's impression of you.

You tell a story with your clothing. Even if you're completely comfortable and confident, a sloppy or no-effort wardrobe will project a "kid lived under a rock" image. Oh and by the way, this affects ALL your relationships, not just women. Think business, family, friends, networking contacts...

Strat summed it up best:


[–]turbosympathique0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dressing well for the job you do is important.

The image that you project WILL influence how people see you. Good posture, cloths that fit and that match will make people take you more seriously.

You want to be successful, you want to be taken seriously then look the part. You are not doing this for other people you are doing it because you want to better your situation.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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