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So you want to get fucking laid? Here's how.

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September 9, 2014

This is a 4chan gem I discovered over three years ago. Despite at the time thinking it was "misogynistic", I couldn't completely ignore it for some reason. So I saved it. There was something about it that just felt... true. Thought I'd share. It is well worth the read.

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Title So you want to get fucking laid? Here's how.
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Comments 300
Date 09 September 2014 12:00 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]no_face175 points176 points  (24 children) | Copy


  • Non-judgemental
  • Cool/Non-reactive (hold this frame)
  • Leading
  • Charismatic
  • Non-validation seeking
  • Gregarious
  • Emotion inducing
  • Amused mastery
  • Non-thirsty/abundance
  • "Always be escalating"
  • Push/pull
  • Confident

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (13 children) | Copy

If there's one thing that will get you laid with REALLLY hot chicks it's Push/Pull

Push/Pull is the answer to any shit test. I did this last saturday when I went out. Went into a group of 7 guys and pulled an 8 hottie out. Shit tests rained all over me. She said probably 8 times "I'm going to leave now" My response pretty much every time "Yea you probably should, if you hang around me anymore bad stuff will happen" and everytime I said this she would just launch back in and make out with me. Of course I fucked this chick. Because few guys will let a girl walk away.

Let me repeat this: Push/Pull yields 80% of your results. Why? It shows you do not give a flying fuck about her and you have options. While this is being conveyed, it is also generating massive sexual tension if you're doing it right.

Seriously guys...Fucking push pull


Some people wanted some examples of the push pull. I opened the chick (I mentioned above) on her leather jacket. I said "I like your leather jacket, you can be my biker bitch" she acted all in shock that I told her that but I just held frame "Yea you heard me girl". What the user below wanted to know, like how many pushes vs how many pulls. If you wanted to get technical just in that comment alone there's two pushes and a pull but it doesn't really matter. It's the rocking back and forth of emotion that did it that showed her I don't mind being a little polarizing to her (cause I got options)

Another push pull thing I did on her was more like some pua thing that my friend taught me but pretty much like you tell her you can read palms right and then you make up some shit on her palm. Then you stop right in the middle of it and go "Wait...I'm getting a vision...You're gonna a meet a guy in your future...[Start describing traits of yourself] He's tall...dark hair...he's real hot...wait hold on...Oh damn I lost the vision you're fucked and you're gonna live a loveless hopeless life [with a shit eating grin] So you got her all worked up with what you were saying, maybe she was even thinking you gave a fuck for a second, then WHAM all fucks were taken a way.

I will say this guys, You can definitely up your SMV too high above hers with this shit cause I almost blew out with this chick as I got a few of these questions: -"Why are you talking to me with all these other girls here" (got this one twice) I told her "That doesn't matter, all you need to know is that I wanted to talk to you, you got that?"

-"You probably have a girlfriend back in your city" I said "Girl stop, would I be out right now if I had one" This one from her was tricky because most guys think "Oh you shouldn't fall into her frame deal" but I just got the vibe that her player alarm was going off and that she needed it to feel a little more special.

-"Why are you so interesting" (this one's not so bad) but I recovered by saying "Why does a bear shit in the woods"

Key thing is I learned is that you don't simply get her talking about herself and saying "Cool I like that about you" Cause that comes off like you are trying to work for her. But a better frame is if you've done pushpull right is that she will seek the rapport with you. So instead you ask her if she specifically is X or likes X thing that you like...Example: -"Do you meditate" if you've done the other stuff right she will try to fit into your interests by saying "Yes" or "I always wanted to" Than you give her daps on it and maybe go into it a little more. DON'T PUSH here. Cause that's just retarded The other way is to just talk about your interests (but not too much about your personal life) and she will start saying stuff like "oh I always wanted to go there" and "Oh I like X movie genre too" and give her daps on that too.

You arent trying to mold her into what you like. But she's just gotta feel like she's worked for it. Especially if you're a hot buff guy. I've given up several lays these last several months living in a foreign country not realizing that Just strict escalation + normal convo only works on girls that are straight DTF at the time. But the hotter chicks need to feel somewhat of a challenge.

Final note - Push / Pull needs to be peppered rather than the whole of the conversation. Although I'm making a big deal about it right now, you'll see too much of it can be weird. Increase the polarity and the quantity of it to her hotness. But a lot is experience and I got lot to learn too.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is great advice. Could you flesh it out a bit more? So it seems if she pushes, you push further. If she pulls in, do you also pull in closer?

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Uhh, something like that. Here you go, read through the top couple links.

[–]RedPillington0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it's striking the right balance. you might push or pull a couple extra times after they switch for whatever reason. you don't want it to be predictable.

it's just a kid's game, really.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

gave some more example above.

[–]tallwheel1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Yea you probably should, if you hang around me anymore bad stuff will happen"

That line is fucking perfect.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea dude and you can switch it around. If the girl tries to be all nice and shit you can tell her "run away right now girl, you're not fooling anyone...I know you're not so innocent am I'm trying to be good tonight" [Note: don't do this if she thinks you have a GF like the above girl cause she'll think you're cheating and she's your new jumpoff]

[–]miles370 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

By 'daps' do you mean a fist-bump like Google tells me?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's me being a bit colloquial and I could elaborate better. Going back to the meditation example.

You: "Do you meditate" her: "Yes" [usually they go into more if not follow with] You: "oh really?" (or whatever to dig deeper) her: "blah blah 3 years, i'm spiritual yadda yadda" You: "Wow thats great, I like how your open minded and like to try new things"

Pretty much gotta be genuine. It won't have the same effect if just on the off chance she mentions she went to paris last year and then you say "wow, I love a girl who is adventurous and travels." Not genuine and she didnt have to work hard for your approval

[–]miles370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I read about this (or something similar) in the book, "How to become an alpha male" (I'm still reading it). If you are very alpha then some girls will feel unqualified to be with you, so to get them to be expressive (to not be too afraid/anxious to) with you, you have to make them feel qualified, and it's best to do this by getting them to qualify to you so they feel they had to earn it. It was about having a balance between dominance and likeability.

[–]SpongeCroft0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wait...I'm getting a vision...You're gonna a meet a guy in your future...[Start describing traits of yourself] He's tall...dark hair...he's real hot...wait hold on...Oh damn I lost the vision you're fucked and you're gonna live a loveless hopeless life [with a shit eating grin]

sounds like this might work. will try out on weekend and respond ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yea dude lemme know how it works. The shit you make up while reading the hand can be golden as well. It really can be anything like those open ended cold reads "This line right here...It says...that some people think you're a bitch [pause for reaction, don't flinch, let her get riled up], but once they get to know you that you're actually a nice person.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is nothing more annoying then when guys asks for specifics. Like they're looking for scientific data to know a woman has a vagina.

All TRP can give you is ideas and scenarios from personal experience. You have to figure out how to configure it to your likings.

It's like Sliders on a video game. All Madden may work for this guy but you may be on All Pro and need some tweaks.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly that should be a sidebar list. Just sitting there, no link or anything, Titled: "Be This" just to help peeps get in the right frame of mind.

[–]2johnnight19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

I shall tattoo this on my chest Memento-style.

[–]Robert_Walker2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

In reverse so you can see it in the mirror, or upside down so you can look down at it?

[–]2johnnight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Straight. An advertisement for others to read that I am: cool, charismatic, confident, etc. Bragging works.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Emotions inducing IS push/pull.

[–]Cacoock-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

You just described me. So why the fuck am I still a virgin?

[–]MDPSL5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Because you have to talk to girls?

[–]Cacoock5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

You... you're right actually.

[–]MDPSL0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Haha. It's hard but rewarding. Just go out there and enjoy.

[–]Cacoock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, my problem is that I lisp, and it fucking kills my confidence when speaking to new people. (not just girls)

[–][deleted] 208 points209 points  (27 children) | Copy

Lol this dude is like a redpill prophet

[–]reddick188 points89 points  (3 children) | Copy

Posted in 2010 and even used the matrix reference. Checks out.

[–]paulwal29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Was 4chan even around in 2003 though?

[–]paulwal6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's irrelevant. It wasn't originally posted on 4chan. It was apparently originally posted on usenet.

[–]RedPillProphet15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

If he comes here to claim his rightful title, I will gladly give it up.

[–]USmellFunny37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

The prophecy was indeed foretold.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's old school pickup. I remember when it first made the rounds. It's course advice and lacking in any finesse, but the core sentiment is solid.

[–]TheSKSpecial14 points15 points  (18 children) | Copy

Was just about to say this. This is pretty much Game 101.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy

This is such solid game and it just throws me off a lil' since it's posted on 4chan. Since when did 4chan go redpill? He sounds like he knows his shit very well.

[–]Southtexasnative28 points29 points  (15 children) | Copy

Since when did 4chan go redpill?

When was 4chan ever not redpill?

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[–]Blaxxun10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't know how it is nowadays. But like four years ago I got too much time on my hand and browsed 4chan (especially /fit/) a fucklot. Back then I would regularly see "alpha" posts on /fit/ with a lot redpill wisdom in them. Got me to think over the political correct feminized dating rituals we are fed by the media.

So in my experience 4chan was pretty redpill or at least the not so desperate part of /fit/ was.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

that's like, the website is pretty red pill as a whole because the dudes seen the difference when they got jacked.

[–]TestosteroneFilled6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The misc section is pretty fucking awesome.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that's exactly how I picture the true 4chan. I guess it's like most of reddit in a way.

[–]Stinkfished1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

For every poster there's thousands of lurkers many of which will think about a post before jumping to a conclusion.

[–]Southtexasnative0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My experience on 4chan has been vastly different. The experience you describe is my experience on reddit, except for a couple subs like this one and /r/becomeaman etc...

[–]Ratcliff010 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

i never go to 4chan, what does it mean when they call you a "fedora"?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Idk I honestly thought it was full of trolls. Maybe I've been mistaken.

[–]jamieoneal821 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought half the point of 4chan was trolling. That's all I ever do there.

[–]VinylGuy4206 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Give a man the mask of anonymity and he will show you his true colors. There is no censorship, or voting and it's all anonymous . It's the most free form of speech on the internet, you just have to wade through all of shit (and by shit I mean gay porn, anime, trolls, and ship posts) to get to the good stuff.

[–]Saturnalia93215 points216 points  (16 children) | Copy

"Women don't think in terms of honor..."

Truest statement in that entire screed.

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[–]86sx45 points46 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is how I internalized TRP. It's realizing that you can't hold women to the same standards as men. As men you hold them to standards, trust worthy, respectable, strong, survivor etc... Holding women to these same standards is completely blue pill.

  • Like a dog, reward good behavior, punish bad behavior.
  • Like a dog, she is only as faithful as her options (hypergamy) e.g. Put a steak bone next to her kibble and don't be shocked when she eats the steak bone instead.
  • Like a dog, don't get angry when she shits on the rug, blame the trainer for allowing such behavior. (your still a beta bucks) e.g. She acts out in public, you haven't been alpha responding to her shit tests enough for her to be trained properly.

[–]Toof21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

I had a conversation with a woman where she was saying men cheat and that they're awful for it.

I basically said, "Yeah, a man will cheat, but he will keep coming back and love that woman. He'll see a woman he wants physically, will have sex with her, but come home to the woman he loves. When a woman sees a man she loves, she is totally willing to drop this man and bounce to the next one. If she is cheating, she no longer respects or loves her man, and it's only a matter of time before she leaves him and takes everything of value from him."

I'm sure she went right back to her old train of thought within hours, though.

[–]GSpotAssassin6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's a circular logic here.

If women in fact are mostly lead by emotion and men, and men are the ones who also therefore lead the commitments (or lack thereof), then most women in relationships have merely gone along with what the guy wanted, ergo, they're less "in love" than the guy, less committed at a deep level, less bound to honor, etc... and therefore fairly pliable by other (leader) guys.

It's easy to enjoy the conceit of being "the honorable sex" when you're also "the leader sex", and followers are the kinds of people who (just like employees) only believe the "mission statement" insofar as it pays their paycheck/satisfies their basic needs. As soon as that stops or a better opportunity presents itself, you follow someone new (if only temporarily!) Men meanwhile, who have been leading strongly all along, leading themselves right into the arms of the kind of "out of my league" women that they decide to marry... shouldn't be surprised when those out-of-my-league women do, in fact, play outside your league now and then...

[–]RedPillington0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that's why if a woman wants to date me, she has to put in a serious effort. i know i am loyal and trustworthy and going to put in a real effort. i need someone who really wants the opportunity to be with me.

[–]Saturnalia932 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ha! Nice. Somehow I missed that gem.

[–]snackeysmorez13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yep, women have no sense of what the word honor truly means. They know how to behave in order to be called 'honorable,' but the word itself is merely an abstraction to them. Same with loyalty.

[–]Saturnalia9312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

It reminds me of sociopaths that mimic what they know they are "supposed to be like" without actually feeling the requisite emotional impulses that would naturally guide them in that direction, i.e. we naturally smile when we are happy - they do it mechanically and in a staged manner.

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[–]snackeysmorez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure, however there's a difference between not giving a fuck about it and not even having the capacity to understand it fundamentally to even possess the option of not giving a fuck about it.

[–]RedPill1153 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same with loyalty.

Don't agree, seen plenty of women be loyal. A woman who's relatively emotionally stable dates a tall, alpha guy, and you will see a woman who no amount of game or temptation can cause her to cheat on him.

A woman who loudly declares her loyalty is often not loyal, most of the women who seem to actually be loyal just do (because they want to be like that), they don't spend time talking about it.

If you want the same level of emotional loyalty that you get from your mother, yeah, you'll never find that. But I've never met any guys that were actually as loyal as parents either.

[–]DoDraper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I couldn't agree more. It's actually a self witnessed fact.

[–]invisiblephrend61 points62 points  (11 children) | Copy

DON'T TRY TO IMPRESS HER IN ANY WAY. Don't show off. Don't talk about accomplishments or possessions. As soon as she perceives that you are trying to prove yourself to her, she loses all interest.

while this is true, you should always be prepared for the golden question: tell me about yourself. women love a man with goals! while you shouldn't be taking your shirt off and flaunting your six-pack, getting piss drunk, bragging about how much you get laid or how much money you make; you should be prepared to convince her that you still have passions and dreams for the future (aka tapping into her emotional side). women are highly fickle creatures and don't focus nearly as much on the present as they do on what lies ahead of them. this is also my theory on why some girls date alpha fucks who are otherwise complete losers by society's standards; much more room to "fix" a guy who sucks at life than the guy who's already making a six-figure income. you can have a good job and good looks and still be completely boring to a girl if you are too complacent with your life. there is always a country you've wanted a visit, a new skill or talent you've always wanted to learn, or even a change in careers. there is always room for improvement in a "perfect" man. fuck this question up and you will lose her.

[–]justmanthings4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

Amen. I celebrate my successes with my woman, not to get her validation, but because im just fucking excited about it. Far from turning her off, it inspires her to seek similar successes for herself.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (8 children) | Copy

Its because you aren't celebrating them, you are celebrating yourself and inviting them to partake of the festivities.

Remember the rule, never take a girl on a date, do what you were going to do anyway and invite her to tag along.

[–]justmanthings20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah yes. Good insight. Have a booty shot.

[–]DJVendetta3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

This is the fist time I've heard that... Sounds a bit silly.

What would I be doing anyway? DJing, smoking with friends or out drinking with friends.

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You're a DJ? Get her in. She'll fucking love that. You are in your place of power, you control the crowd, you're THE MAN in the club. Get her in there and let her see that. Think how much she'll love that shit, being able to brag to her friends that she's there because the DJ personally invited her.

Going for drinks? Tell her to come along, you're going X place. She shows? Great! Game on. She doesn't? Who cares, you're out drinking with friends.

[–]DJVendetta2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't like inviting girls out when I'm with friends, they make it awkward and I lose my frame.

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Its only awkward if YOU make it awkward.

Take that line and chisel it into your brain.

[–]DJVendetta-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know that, hence why I said they do - it's extremely difficult for me to keep frame. I guess I need more practice, first step is to hit the gym.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Literally in the last 2 days someone who is a DJ did a field-report of a date bring her out there & also setting up equipment & stuff helping his friends.

He got AMOG'd. Spent too little time closing/escalating while helping his buddies & even attempting some aloofness. She just went home with the AMOG. Oops.

If I recall the general collective assertion is he had good game but didn't close quickly (take her home) and brought her to where all the other alphas would be who are on the hunt, yet it was a date.

Would you eat your delicious steak dinner in front of a hungry lion, no cage or protection of any kind? I hope you enjoy watching lions eat steak.

[–]gsav550 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Shit I used to invite girls to go pick up groceries with me or grab super casual lunch that I would have gotten anyway

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[–]CornyHoosier23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

This means that when my husband is at work, no workmen are allowed inside

I was actually caught off-guard when I first heard this from a woman, but shrugged it off. We were always pretty good friends at work (we literally sat feet from each other) and one day she mentioned her home network was giving her problems. I offered to fix it (with not a sexual thought it my mind) but she told me to wait until her husband came home because he didn't like "strange men" in the house. I respected her request and came over that evening.

I was raised by a single mother, so the wait time would have been FOREVER. Ha!

[–]1Zanford2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No offense, but you offering, to a female coworker, to come to her house to do her a big favor (it's big to her, since she doesn't know how to do it, and with her network down she can't get her almighty Facebook fix) for free, probably set off a red flag in her head.

Usually when guys do that, it's to try to get into the girl's pants via the friend/favor zone. (Conversely women will frequently bum computer help off their orbiters.) Doesn't matter whether you intended it that way or not.

IMO you should have just been 'oh yeah I know how to deal with, you do X, Y, Z to fix it," make it clear you could fix it, and then wait for her to go 'hey could you write that down in detail so I (or my husband) can do it' or 'could you come over and fix it'

At which point I'd say 'yeah I might have the time, hope you don't mind if I raid your fridge or steal a six-pack while I'm there' so it's clear you expect compensation for your work and aren't a tool (plus it induces the Franklin Effect, gaming her, which is useful even if you don't plan to sex her.) If she has class she would then offer to make you a meal while you're there (and you could befriend her husband). I would do it this way even if she were single. Otherwise you're in the tool / friendzone, which is bad, even if you don't want sex, b/c you won't get respect either.

[–]CornyHoosier0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was in no way offended by her request, it just caught me off guard.

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[–]rvj0119 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy

When my parents thought I was lying, they said they would pull out the lie detector on my ass - mind you I was young as hell (5-9). Got me telling the truth all the time, lol. Not saying this is relevant, just a funny story that I thought to share.

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What did it look like? Some fake gizmo with blinking lights?

[–]mikevonline10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think they ever showed him something. As a child feeling guilty, you're more than ready to take their word for it.

[–]Toof5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

My dad once told me he'd take me to the police department and hook me up to a lie detector test that had needles against the fingers, and if you were lying, they'd poke in under your fingernails.

I was so scared, I couldn't remember what the truth was and just panicked and admitted wrongdoing. I guess I was mentally tortured on that one.

[–]rvj012 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They showed me nothing, because they didn't have anything. Just the thought of the possibility of them using a lie detector on me scared me -especially when I did do something wrong. Reminds me alot of the ideology of 'fake it til you make it'.

[–]Saul-One1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im guessing it was more like a belt or chancla

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[–]jamieoneal821 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Glad to see at least someone has some perspective here. So many of the replies to this are the TRP version of "you go girl".

[–]1oldredder1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Really? I read them & I got the impression it was her parents that impressed a lot of us for imparting good behaviour to her from early on. That's not "you go gurrl".

[–]jamieoneal820 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Go back and reread the comment and count the number of times she says "i", "me" and "my". Then go look at her comment history. Her first post is to an alcoholic's sub congratulating herself on being sober for a year. Go through her comment threads and say "cha-ching" every time someone gives her a "good job" or a "your such a good person" comment.

The oneitis this sub gets for internet RP unicorns is an easy target for attention/validation seekers.

Edit: in fact, one of my ex-plates was just like this. She would play all coy and innocent, inventing bs stories from her childhood to make her point about how honest and pure she was. All the while she was cheating on her bf with me. The fact that so many men on here are so thirsty for "Mrs RP" that they can't see through the same shit they laugh about is just astounding.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I read 'em all up to the point of my reply and I didn't see what you're on about. Honesty: I don't care. Her parents did a good job. Only time will tell if it will stick. Given AWALT I have no faith in that but given my own perspective, it wouldn't harm me regardless of outcome. Therefore, no fucks given.

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[–]Subtletorious0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is not so much a "wrong place" but like a woman in a men's locker room; the men won't mind but the woman won't like what she sees.

[–]systemshock869 27 points27 points [recovered] | Copy

I have always admired women like you. I was a server in a major restaurant chain for 5+ years and have been able to observe many women's behavior. It blew me away how many females would hit on me (or show obvious interest with eye contact/smiling/body language) right in front of their boyfriend.

It became so normal that it would actually throw me off when a pretty girl ignored me. Because I had sort of come to expect flirtation, I would feel a tinge of resentment towards them at first. To be fair some were downright bitches to me - almost like they were trying too hard to show their man that they were loyal. I soon realized that I have a lot of respect for these girls (although the bitchy ones are obviously not ideal, and most likely trying to cover up their true nature to the jealous boyfriend). I would observe my own girl being overly friendly with other guys and know exactly what she was doing because I've been that other guy.

Seeing such a high number of females act in that way has really caused me to distrust women until they prove themselves better than that. A girl who knows how to manage her flirtation and show respect to her man is a rare treasure.

[–]nomdplume21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don't read too much into those situations.

Some women love to flirt, either because they are insecure and seeking validation, are naturally playful/antagonizing, or some combination of the two. And they particularly love flirting when they feel safe (i.e., when their BF/Husband is right there to make sure the recipient doesn't start acting like an ass).

My wife and I both love to flirt (though she gets better response because woman), and, my wife particularly, we're generally bored with uptight formal transactions and love to banter, mix shit up, and make people laugh. We both like teasing, and, honestly, also enjoy getting teased (we totally respect someone who knows how to playfully agree and amplify as a response), so we don't look at it seriously. It's just so much more fun than the standard routine, and almost always leaves everyone in a lighter mood.

What's hilarious and particularly fun about it is watching a few of the guys (servers particularly) get either shocked ("I can't believe she's doing this right in front of her husband!"), embarrassed ("Oh god, I don't know how to respond…"), or, most fun, excited and/or fawning about it. That last response usually makes for an interesting dining experience (plus a free drink or two), followed by a gracious but ambivalent exit.

(Incidentally, we also both flirt with women, often moreso than with men, as it is even more unexpected for women)

As a married dude with a somewhat open relationship, I can tell you one thing - a girl flirting with you does NOT mean she wants to have sex with you. I learned this the heartbreaking way. Once I was given the option to escalate from flirting, I was no longer "safe", and most of the flirting stopped almost immediately. All the boasting and promises turned out, sadly in some cases, to be just bluster.

Which is why I rarely tell women that I'm allowed to escalate with them right off the bat (if ever) - it's surefire way to have them stop bantering with me immediately. All of a sudden, I become a threat...

[–]systemshock869 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Thanks for the insight. I am definitely guilty of thinking too much into situations like these. Although in my defense, sometimes it was obvious that the boyfriend was definitely not ok with his girl flirting with the server. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that she wanted to have sex with me, it moreso just stood out that they would blatantly flirt/be disrespectful.

I also have zero experience with an open relationship, actually more of a PTSD experience of the exact opposite. So I'm a little screwy in the relationship expectations department - something I'm trying to overcome. You must be either extremely trusting to be ok with that from your woman or have the abundance mentality of a boss. Either way, hats off to you. Hopefully I will be that secure some day!

[–]nomdplume1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

sometimes it was obvious that the boyfriend was definitely not ok with his girl flirting with the server.

And I would agree 100% that that is a very shitty behavior.

You must be either extremely trusting to be ok with that from your woman

My wife did some pretty unconscionable things early in our relationship (she was 19 at the time). However, we both turned ourselves inside out in order to put that experience behind us, created a new relationship together, and the trust has been unshakable ever since, at least in that area. I know what her commitments are, what she wants most, and my part in that. In our case, occasional sexual non-monogamy won't impact any of that (though it is still not for the faint of heart!).

That's the only way any of the openness has ever worked (and even the couple of times it broke down, the issue was never about trust).

or have the abundance mentality of a boss.

I do, mostly. It's kind of an inborn thing with me when it comes to women. I have never been interested in pursuing any relationship that is not mutually beneficial. I do fine on my own, despite being very sexual and romantic. If she wants to walk, I literally would not want her to stay. Your either all in, or all out. If you are out, I can always find someone who wants in, if I so choose.

Hopefully I will be that secure some day!

I hope you are secure, also, though even being secure doesn't necessarily lend itself to openness (I would say openness requires security, but not the opposite). Some people prefer to be monogamous in all areas of their relationship. There is nothing wrong with that.

I prefer to be monogamous in all areas except sex. As long as I'm responsible and "maintain frame", I haven't found anything wrong with that, either.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours32 points33 points  (8 children) | Copy

My second wife was like you, except her mother, sisters, and friends are feminists. For eight years she was wonderful, best relationship I've had. I was exposed to a chemical that made breathing difficult, and for six months I was unable to do much of anything. That's when she cheated and I kicked her out.

Don't be Catherine. She has laid waste to her life and everything she worked for. Her family and friends are you go girl, and blame everyone around her for her shortcomings, but the rest of the community sees her for what she is.

I believe you are smarter than she is and won't make the same mistake.

[–]orangecushion2 39 points39 points [recovered] | Copy

I surround myself with women who would ostracize me if I ever humiliated my husband.

Really sorry about Catherine. In sickness and in health is the vow. Not 'in health and wealth'.

[–]GSpotAssassin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

My woman humiliating me in front of friends and/or family is literally the worst button that exists on my person. The few times it's happened I've screamed in closed-door closed-window cars at those girlfriends about how fucked up it was and usually broke up with them soon after. So thanks for that.

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[–]orangecushion2 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

I guess that's one way to look at it. However, I choose to view it as my husband works all week long and provides and the least I can do is show him respect. He doesn't have to worry about what I'm doing when he's not home and we have a solid marriage. I'm okay with that.

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Women arent really the oath/ vow/ honor type. They are true to their emotions, best interests, the moment, and thats about the extent of it. No wonder marriage doesnt work.

[–]ametalshard5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe you are smarter than she is and won't make the same mistake.

It is nothing to do with intelligence. A conscious decision can be made in the woman's best interests- hypergamy. You are talking about honor.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

Might I direct you to /r/RedPillWomen? You belong there.

[–]elevul3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Christ, despite all the TRP reading I still can't help but be disgusted by this post.

[–]orangecushion2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

What specifically disgusts you?

[–]elevul1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The fact that it sounds like a cult indoctrination story.

I'm perfectly fine with a woman being taught the truth and then let to make her choice, but this well beyond that...

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet30 points31 points  (12 children) | Copy

Your parents raised you well. Though you didn't realize it at the time, they helped you overcome your nature so that you could have a happy life with a man who would care for and honour you, because your behaviour warranted being honoured.

That's why most of us here would disagree with

there is no honor in going after married women. Trashy is as trashy does.

Perhaps in the past this sentiment might have held up, when gender roles were observed and social boundaries respected.

But now, with "female liberation" being the norm, opportunism and infidelity are now also the norm. And the fault is not with men.

That is why, in order for the trend to change, it is WOMEN who must alter their behaviour. Women must once again become worthy of being honoured. Because at present, they have collectively decided not to be.

[–]VegasXLR 48 points48 points [recovered] | Copy

there is no honor in going after married women. Trashy is as trashy does.

Perhaps in the past this sentiment might have held up, when gender roles were observed and social boundaries respected.

But now, with "female liberation" being the norm, opportunism and infidelity are now also the norm. And the fault is not with men.

If there is a TRP version of hamstering, this is exactly what it looks like. As much as I agree that it really shouldn't even be viable to begin with, if you choose to become that guy you should at least own up to it.

Simply because the modern woman has subjected herself to opportunism doesn't mean the modern man has to follow suite. We know that men and women are different, and there's a reason that realization leads to an anger phase. As the gender with greater potential, shouldn't we be holding ourselves to a higher standard?

[–]1whatsazipper4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Simply because the modern woman has subjected herself to opportunism doesn't mean the modern man has to follow suite.

If you're following rules that the opposite sex has discarded in order to maximize their gain at your loss, then you better at least revise your approach. I wouldn't necessarily call it 'opportunism'; instead, 'opening your god damn eyes'.

[–]VegasXLR 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

No need to revise when abundance mentality is already at play. Even if she had a boyfriend it wouldn't be all that bad, I'd weigh my options before moving on.

Thing is, if I ever have children (which I hope to someday) I'd hate for somebody to take advantage of their mother's weaknesses and destroy our family just for another opportunity to blow their load. I figure I owe the rest of the world the same courtesy.

[–]1whatsazipper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thing is, if I ever have children (which I hope to someday) I'd hate for somebody to take advantage of their mother's weaknesses and destroy our family just for another opportunity to blow their load. I figure I owe the rest of the world the same courtesy.

That's a very reasonable position. I certainly want social standards to come back, especially with respect to stable family formation. It's a shame that incentives are provided for family destruction.

[–]QQ_L2P1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP is an amoral sexual strategy. You can do whatever you want as long as you are willing to accept the consequences. If you don't want to suffer the consequences then you sit down and zip it.

If a person wants to go after married women it's entirely up to them. This sub isn't about "bringing back societal pressure to keep women in check" or "bringing back the old ways", it's about giving you to tools to get laid. You wanna fuck your bros wife? Go for it. But don't be surprised when your social circle cuts you from their lives.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

if you choose to become that guy you should at least own up to it.

Think of it this way:

Men are the ones who want sex. And if we want something, then it is our responsibility to secure it. So we take the Red Pill, come to understand women's true nature and what they really respond to, and change ourselves so that we can get the sex we want.

If this is true, then it follows that if women want commitment, then it is their responsibility to secure it. They too must take the Red Pill, come to understand men and what they respond to, and then change themselves so that they can get the commitment they want.

It is indeed the fault of women that men are no longer wanting to commit.

We know that men and women are different

shouldn't we be holding ourselves to a higher standard?

Then why are you holding them to the same moral standard about opportunism? In fact, why are you imposing moral standards at all?

Sexual strategy is not moral or immoral. It is amoral. Read the sidebar again. Sexual strategy is conducted in the interest of achieving a specific result. For men, that's sex. For women, that's a relationship.

[–]Botoxdome-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I don't believe it is fair for you to say that women need to alter their behavior and at the same time say it's in their nature to be cheaters. Or for anyone to generalize all women at all but that's just me.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

I don't believe it is fair for you to say that women need to alter their behavior and at the same time say it's in their nature to be cheaters.

It is also in our nature to eat as much fat, sugar, and other high-calorie foods as possible - but only because that instinct evolved in an environment where such foods were scarce. Today, these foods are abundant. Following through with your instinct in today's environment will result in you getting fat, which is contrary to other goals you may have, such as attracting a mate or living a long life.

Just because something is instinctive doesn't mean it is effective.

There are all kinds of instincts we have that aren't our fault for having, yet which we must discipline ourselves into overcoming in order to achieve other goals.

Women instinctively want to swing from branch to branch, fucking whichever man gives them the strongest tingles. But if women expect to be honoured by men, they must find the discipline to overcome that instinct.

Or for anyone to generalize all women at all but that's just me.

It is just you. NAWALT bullshit doesn't fly here.

[–]Botoxdome-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

So I guess all men are men of honor and integrity who would never swing from branch to branch but all women do instinctively fuck around for tingles. It is not human nature to eat as much fatty unwhilesome foods as possible.

[–]tallwheel-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men and women are different. Frequently changing partners makes men more attractive, while the same cannot be said of women.

Besides, in the above scenario, we're talking about a single guy with a married woman, so it is only the woman who is being dishonorable. It is the one who is married who has the responsibility to their partner. If someone is capable of seducing them, then it is the married person who is being dishonorable, not the seducer.

[–]GSpotAssassin3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

If I was in that situation as a man (chaperones when I am alone with a woman who is not my SO, etc.), I would feel trapped and I would feel even more like cheating... for some reason. A woman trusting that I will make good decisions that are best for the both of us, gives me good reason to remain faithful (or exercise discretion).

there is no honor in going after married women

I've noticed that they're pretty much easier than single women... single women have their guard up at all times... married women miss romance and are vulnerable to affection especially if their men are away or unavailable for long periods of time...

We have quite the battle before us, we are 99% the same genes as the bonobo monkey. A female bonobo monkey approaching a tree full of males and wanting to rest on a branch to eat, will first fuck every male in that tree to defuse the sexual tension, and then will sit down to eat...

[–]Azzmo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We have quite the battle before us, we are 99% the same genes as the bonobo monkey. A female bonobo monkey approaching a tree full of males and wanting to rest on a branch to eat, will first fuck every male in that tree to defuse the sexual tension, and then will sit down to eat...

Well when you say it like that...

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

You are like my wife. But I'm still into RedPill because there are truths that run deeper than the shallow assholes who poach married women.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

because there are truths that run deeper than the shallow assholes who poach married women

As if the women are animals who have no say in the matter...

[–]blazingcopper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Careful... you're removing agency from the shallow asshole women that cheat. In fact it's far worse when the married woman does it.

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It would be really interesting if it turned out that /u/orangecushion2 is your wife. DUN DUN DUN!

[–]ametalshard5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

so honorable, so respectable, so desirable.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

ITT: Partriarchy done right.

[–]1MajorMid3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe I need to move down south, lol. I live in the suburbs of NYC with only the trashiest of women around. Good on you and good on your father.

[–]RP408JZG-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the south the women seem to be either raging sluts that will do anything at the drop of a hat, or they are from incredibly religious families and try to put on the face of "nice girl" where I'm at is a great place to find work if you're okay with manual labor or have the right degree or technical certs

[–]bananashammock2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

If you have a husband that minds you talking to a male friend when he isn't present, then he is an insecure doucher.

[–]orangecushion2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

He's never asked and I'm not sure he notices. It's something I practice on principle.

[–]bananashammock0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Fair enough. But don't men who are acquainted with you through work/church/girlfriends etc. become off-put when you refuse to speak to them socially? I guess I just don't understand. like what if it were a 15 year boy or a 90 year old man that you are antiquated with? Do you tell every man you become antiquated with that you can't speak to the socially without your husband there to monitor?

[–]justa_panda0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

How is life in Saudi Arabia these days? In all seriousness, no eye contact and no workers in the house - are you that afraid of letting your baser instincts get the better of you?

[–]orangecushion2 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

In all seriousness, no eye contact and no workers in the house - are you that afraid of letting your baser instincts get the better of you?

No, but that's a good question. I was taught to not give even the neighbors anything to wonder about. I schedule workers when my husband is home.

Edit: And the no eye contact thing- I don't let my allow for lingering flirtatious gazes is all.

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

No, She is honoring her marriage, this is a very desireable trait. Look at how women these days act, if you look even slightly better than what she has right now, she'll jump on your dick.

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Guys. I've spotted a horsie. its not a unicorn but i like it.

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Your husband is a lucky man, and if you truly stick to these principles then your father has done a terrific job

[–]legitworkaccount-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're a true lady, and your father is an inspiration.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Bbbut.. Don't you feel like he's controlling you?" - typical "modern" woman

[–]blazingcopper-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I reported your comment and most of the praise (validation) being heaped on you. If what you're saying is true, that's cool but the vast majority, the very vast majority of women today do not behave like this. This post is dis-illusioning the posters here. We're having problems with signal to noise ratios because of many newcomers and trolls. Id suggest posting in r/redpillwomen

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

You just set up my standarts for my future relationships. I am litteraly going to handle your message to the next girl asking what I want in a relationship.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Paraphrasing the good old mystery method, which is good because as a literary piece it is an abomination. It's a good condensed write up on PUA 101 without the obnoxious details and canned material.

[–]killahKaZx31 points32 points  (4 children) | Copy

[–]silentao29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy

Questionable color and font choices.

[–]M0RKET4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

True. I copy/pasted to notepad

[–]killahKaZx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah im doing the same and saving it on my cell so i can read it on my train ride home.

[–]CornyHoosier27 points28 points  (8 children) | Copy

Lets break it down a bit:

  • Don't sexually judge her

  • Don't get angry

  • Always take the lead

  • Be direct but casually aloof

  • Don't attempt to impress

  • Don't ignore the friends

  • Take her on an emotion rollercoaster

  • Never answer logically

  • When she asks questions play hard to get ... but then go right back to the emotional roller-coaster

  • Pretend you have standards and that she is high up, but not too high

  • Get her moving and out of her comfort zone

  • Escalate, escalate, escalate

  • (Someone more experienced needs to explain to me how to swing her between validation and rejection)

  • Fake it till you make it

  • Don't ever listen to a woman for advice on trying to fuck women

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

Someone more experienced needs to explain to me how to swing her between validation and rejection

Swinging a girl between validation and rejection is the essence of push-pull. It is part of the process of creating the emotional roller coaster.

You must make the girl believe, at times, that she is winning you over, and you must make her believe, at times, that she is losing your interest.

For instance, when you are talking with the girl and you have an opportunity to ask her a question, you may reward a good answer with interest.

You: What's your major?

Her: Biology! I want to become a nurse!

You: It's very caring people who usually become nurses. I like that. (validation)

But don't let her have her victory for too long. You should then proceed to reject her:

Her: smiles, or gives some token response

You: Buuuut...nurses are also workaholics. They work looooong hours. make a displeased facial expression

If you have done your job right up until that point, she'll feel like she's losing you, and she'll usually say or do something in that moment to try and re-establish the connection. She might retract or modify her statement, or she'll reach out and touch you.

Her end goal is to feel like she's making progress. You must reward her more than you take away from her, but only barely, that way, her victory feels slow and hard won.

You giveth yourself, and you taketh yourself away. The essence of push-pull is that you are the prize, and she must fight to win you.

[–]Gumstead5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Basically, give them shit for things they already know. I was talking to this chick at the bar, visiting a friend. She mentioned earlier how she was failed a class or something, basically trying to play herself off as a dumb blonde. Later I asked her what her major was and it was something pretty easy sounding. So I said, "And you're failing that?" It had the result of her feigning offense and jokingly pushing me lightly.

She's a slutty college girl, of course she is going to fail a class, we all fuck up early in school. I'm not insulting her, I'm giving her a hard time for something she already knows she did wrong. Then you just say something about how its a good field she's getting into or something and bam, right where you want her.

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what does "take her on an emotional rollercoaster" mean?

[–]CornyHoosier31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy

"Life has been interesting lately. I moved to a new city and have been loving it here. Sadly the other week this person blew a red light and struck the side of my car so I've been shopping for a new one. What's funny is that on the way home that night some random guy on the street offered me some free tickets to the MLB game so I went and had a blast at the game. On the way home I was crossing the street and this guy totally wasn't paying attention and ran into me with his coffee. He ushered me into a bar right near us and got me several rounds to say sorry. It was then that I saw this group of bikers hanging out at the bar and ended up hanging out with them all evening."

Up, down, up, down, up, down.

[–]steelw-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit you're like a god

[–]tallwheel-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought it was going to end with you meeting her in the bar instead of a bunch of bikers.

[–]lightfire40926 points27 points  (6 children) | Copy

The sexual revolution, feminism, has resulted in a return to harems.

This is a very important point. One that needs to be drilled in the head of every man here. Be in the top 15%, no matter how you get there, just get there.

[–]nomdplume-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

Be in the top 15%, no matter how you get there, just get there.

You got a plan B? 'Cause unless your born into the top 30%, getting to the top 15% is probably not going to happen for you. Which is probably why so many guys in prosperous countries move their hunting grounds to less prosperous countries. Just saying'...

[–]AWALT_1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, not everyone will make it. But I will, and I encourage you and everyone else on here to have the same mindset.

[–]blazingcopper-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree. How are really short guys supposed to crack the top percentage?

[–]scalentorn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There are lots of, I mean fucklots of men who are very short but drown in pussy juice. $$$ can easily crack you into that %15.

[–]fresco517 points18 points  (19 children) | Copy

Never read this before but already felt this way, just hadn't quite put it into words. I've slept with a lot of women (low triple digits) and after seeing their behavior they just make me sick. It's gotten really depressing and I hardly ever go out anymore. I still have old hookups hitting me up to fuck once in awhile from groundwork I laid a couple years ago, but that's about it. I'm surely not the only one who feels this way.

Have any of you guys ever dealt with this rut? How did you overcome it? I don't feel like getting any more pussy because I've had a lot and after seeing these sluts cheat and lie I feel like life is a joke. Maybe I'm just reverting back into a little bitch again but I really hoped that I could find real love / trust someday. However, the more I see the more I realize that it doesn't exist. Sure, I could keep banging chicks and while that does make me feel better temporarily it doesn't quite cut it.

I suppose I could move somewhere where the girls are hotter and higher quality, but how long would that tide me over? The end result is the same. I heard a saying somewhere and I can't quite remember how it went but the idea was that if it weren't for women, men would have never invented anything and we'd still be in the stone age. Basically without the motivation of impressing women, there wouldn't have been much incentive to strive for higher achievement and we would have accomplished a lot less. I feel like that's very true, and now that I've had my fair share of women and seen what they're really like I have no motivation in life. I guess I just have to accept the fact that I'll never be able to trust or love anyone but myself and somehow find happiness in that.

Sorry for the whiny, scatter-brained post, pulled an all night-er.

[–]rain_delay12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dude. I'm thinking the same shit you are. All the girls that I currently fuck are from ground work laid years ago. It's all the same. Even if there was one worthy of LRT, it's only going to be good for a little while. No matter what "the grass is always greener" and the bitch will eventually bounce.

I got a text last night from a girl I haven't seen in years. Turns out she just wants to spite her beta and get some good alpha fucks from me. Obviously there is no LTR material here. But the chick is offering to take ME out, buy ME some drinks, and then spread that pussy for the taking.

I currently see no potential for any kind of normal relationship with a woman. I can fuck em in the ass, piss in their mouths, cum on their faces, and face fuck em till they puke no problem. But just finding a chick to ride or die with feels impossible. Probably because it is.

I'm doing all I can to make myself happy, but I still have a hard time accepting that I won't find a quality woman to marry or have kids with. So yeah, I too woukd like someone else's advice regarding this rut.

[–]deep_anal_thrusts6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I currently see no potential for any kind of normal relationship with a woman. I can fuck em in the ass, piss in their mouths, cum on their faces, and face fuck em till they puke no problem. But just finding a chick to ride or die with feels impossible. Probably because it is."

you sir are a poet

[–]bgny5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy

Woman can add value to your life if you understand them and can handle it. That you have no motivation in life without a woman involved is a problem though. And I don't believe that women are the only motivation for men to do anything. Those men on the deserted island without any women still had an instinct to survive and make the best of things. Men shouldn't live to impress women, but to impress themselves first. Men should be able to be happy with women or without women, not because of them.

[–]fresco510 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy

It's not so much that I have no motivation, but I have no sense of purpose. Nobody will ever love me in the capacity that I can love, so why even try? I can manipulate her into doing what I want by acting a certain way. Trick her brain into being obsessed with me? Sure, no problem. But I'll never get any woman to really love me.

I guess I always thought the meaning of life was to love and find love, but how can I love someone incapable of reciprocating that feeling?

I'm sure that I'm misguided and looking at this all the wrong way but I'm still having trouble seeing what the real answer is.

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[–]Palamedeo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wrong. It's not to have your SMV two notches higher than hers, but to have it two notches higher than the competition.

[–]bgny2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

The answer is learning to love yourself first my friend. Everything is transient, change is constant, women come and go, friends and family won't be there forever. I feel the problem is a lack of identity, and that you think without a woman you don't really have one.

[–]fresco50 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe you're right, but I don't think it's that I don't have an identity. It's that I have so much love and want to give it and have it returned but that just isn't how things work even though it's how I'm programmed.

[–]bgny3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm an older guy, and I'll tell you there is no greater joy for a man than to understand who he is, what he likes, what he wants, and then to DO THAT, no matter what the pressures of society, or women, or family, or tradition, or rules, say you are supposed to do. If this sounds familiar, yes, I resonate with MGTOW. And although I think avoiding women entirely is a bit extreme, I do think that breaking the chains of societal conditioning, especially in this post-feminism world should be the goal of every man.

[–]fresco51 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I very much agree. I guess I just have to find what I enjoy / want to do and then accomplish it. That's another problem I have, I don't finish projects. I'm sort of a jack-of-all trades. I'm pretty good at a lot of things but tend to change interests a lot and never really settle on one thing. I'm sure that doesn't help matters.

Thanks for all of your advice, I haven't heard of MGTOW before but I'll check it out.

[–]tallwheel-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess I always thought the meaning of life was to love and find love

Time to find a new purpose to dedicate your life to, my friend.

[–]Gami_Lon 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

My husband and I discuss this daily.

Basically he was poly for about two decades. He found himself in the same rut: he was able to meet new women all the time, date and fuck them, but every single one of them was deficient in one way or another. For instance, one woman was great in bed, but completely boring. Another one was fun to hang out with, but not attractive. Etc.

Here's an analogy:

Imagine if you're a vegetarian. You've gone your entire life without tasting how delicious a steak is. You've never had a piece of bacon in your whole life. Once you start eating meat, it's going to be REALLY hard to go back to being a vegetarian.

TLDR: Ignorance is bliss.

[–]tallwheel-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've slept with a lot of women (low triple digits)

Well, even if you hang it up now, you will still die with a notch count far higher than the vast majority of men.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (18 children) | Copy

I was with him until the ending where he 'reveals' his secret. Honestly the guys sounds like he just read The Game and having seen the light decided to write an article about it and just to confirm his hypothesis (aka mystery methods conclusions) he is stating that he sleeps with hundreds of chicks. Banging chicks in his car that he pick up from the grocery store? I just can't believe that.

[–]nomdplume15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know some serious players, and I've never heard any FR even remotely like that. Even the rockstar god-level players I know strike out many more times than they succeed.

OTOH, I know a lot of guys who are really good at talking shit. I think this guy is one of them.

Either that, or he's padding his numbers with a huge ratio of toothless landwhales.

[–]Entrefut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's also possible he's very good at preselecting and picking up on a woman's signals. Yes you can approach 10 girls in a bar and attempt to run game on them, then get one of those ten to go home with you. Or you could preselecting by doing mini interactions with as many people in the bar as possible without actually running game, be very observant, find the girl giving of the most IoIs and then approach and run game on her.

There's a concept in sales that applies to this pretty well and it's the concept of only selling to people who can be sold. Most PUAs will happily approach and get turned down by tons of girls a night, because they're in it to learn and get better. If a guy who had really good game wanted to, I'm sure he could be patient, find girls who are responding, then run game on them and take them home.

Can't say I have personal experience, but one of my buddies will do this at bars, he won't always take the 10, but he'll get a hot girl to go home with him on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd approach like clockwork.

[–]jamieoneal8235 points36 points  (8 children) | Copy

Banging chicks in his car that he pick up from the grocery store? I just can't believe that.

It happens. All. The. Time.

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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whirlwind of emotions and excitement and solid escalation. Had a friend that did it frequently at grocery stores and the mall.

He taught me some good lessons about logistics, like parking between box trucks and using a sun shade for privacy. Another is parking on the top level of parking garages.

[–]jamieoneal824 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not saying it would easy. I've never done it. But I know dudes who have (and I have no reason to doubt them). Quick and skillful escalation, high energy, hamster mastery. If you work a girls hamster just right, you can get them to do just about anything.

[–]__ROOSTER__-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've never picked a girl from the grocery store, but I can say I don't phone number close. Almost whenever I close it's to fuck, and thats as often as I want.

old school PUA gets you their results, tons of phone numbers and laying a chick a single time before she figures out you are actually a loser.

RP gets WAY better girls and they stay for as long as you want.

[–]TestosteroneFilled0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Watch this. After 17:30. I know drinks are involved but heck it's in a restaurant and it literally takes 15 minutes for him to bring her home.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow thats painful to watch. That dude has no charisma. For the chick to go for that she has to be something.

[–]prodigyx20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can confirm. Lots of horny housewives at the grocery store.

[–]aBitClearer17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

First blow job I received was when I was 18. It came from a married woman, mother of four boys, who cheated on her husband with reckless abandon. After her shift one night, we went to my truck to make-out. This was in a grocery store parking lot.

I sported wood, but she said she "had to get back home". Without thinking, I said, "you gonna leave me this way?", putting her hand on my bone.

She says, "Guess I can give you a little head, and bam! A few mins later and my DNA was shot down her cheating throat.

It does happen!

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

He could have bullshitted some of it, but the way he writes it shows that he has done it before and he knows what he's talking about.

It's similar to power talk. The non-power party in the group doesn't see a hidden message, but the power parties do.

I know when I meet a guy, how he is as a person based on the first few minutes of interaction. How he positions his body. His hand gestures. The words he uses. The phrases he uses. How he arranges the words. All the little cues and sub-cues that he uses.

I can see that the OP of thread in the image has had experience. He's bagged at least 50 bitches. I know this because it would be a statistical anomaly for a person to be able to write that in that specific way without having a lot of the knowledge. It's a sound bet.

[–]nomdplume2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's bagged at least 50 bitches

This I would believe. With most of them requiring some real effort. And few of them in LTRs/marriages (unless he's trolling the trailer parks).

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've pulled that a couple times actually, if he's really putting in the time to make that a priority, I believe him. The rest of his advice is too on point.

[–]elruary24 points25 points  (8 children) | Copy

This is depressingly true, I wish I could just let go of my beta self and just fully fucking give into instinctive alphaness. Fuck it's hard. I love you mum, but fuck you!

[–]WoodyHarrlesonsAgent 17 points17 points [recovered] | Copy

It's not hard.

Making compromises every moment of every day to appease some childish vain glorious woman because you have some romanticized medieval idea from a Disney cartoon - that's hard.

Letting the fuck go of all that is easy.

My 2cents

[–]CornyHoosier8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

It's not easy to drop ingrained lifestyle you've had your whole life. Especially one that is not currently viewed in any sort of positive attitude in society. It's like going up to fat people and just saying, "Lose some fucking weight, it's super easy!"

It's not easy to change who you are, it's a process. It is doable though if you have the perseverance.

[–]drugthrowaway293 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

"Lose some fucking weight, it's super easy!"

As a former fat person, it is, but as you said, it's a process and not an immediate result.

As someone interested in TRP, this is encouraging. Thanks.

[–]CornyHoosier1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Brother, I used to be the beta of all betas.

I was raised by a super-feminist, single mother. I was severally obese almost my entire life, was a virgin till 24 (hadn't even kissed a girl or held her hand), and was super plugged into the bullshit of "dating". I was the epitome of passive-aggressive "nice guy" and stayed in my room most of the time playing video games and doing computer stuff.

I had three very important things that kicked off my new life. I had a brain, I had perseverance and I had the willingness to learn and realize I could be wrong.

It started when I realized that I wanted to lose weight (to not look sloppy and feel unhealthy. As well as, yes, attract women too). It started with me giving up soda. As small as it sounds it was the biggest step. To say I don't give a fuck if everyone drinks this and I've drank it my whole life. I've researched enough to know that this stuff is pure garbage.

It snowballed from there. As I learned more about living healthier I started gaining self-confidence. I began to emulate the traits of people I saw as confident. The more I saw these traits and the success of using them the more I researched it. Over time I found this place (TRP) and found a group of men who were talking about the same transformation I was.

Here I am. Six years later and I've dropped from 400lbs to 260lbs. I've traveled the world, seen interesting people and new cultures. I've dropped video games for going out and interacting with people. I've lost the unkempt hair, teeth and dress; for a strong, healthy and well-groomed appearance. People treat me better, I feel happier and my life has done a total 360.

The Red Pill is a great place for men to bounce ideas off each other, but it is just a resource. Remember that the fun in life is the path you take and how you get there, not just the end result.

[–]blazingcopper0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How did you travel world? Where did u go

[–]CornyHoosier0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly, the biggest hurdle people usually have is making the decision to go as well as the courage to actually leave. You learn a great deal about yourself when you only have the items in your backpack and a passport. When you don't know the area, don't know the language, don't know where you're staying or how you're going to get where you're going ... that is when you learn what you can handle.

I've been all over the U.S. (except Alaska and Hawaii), most of Canada (minus the very Norther Territories), backpacked most of Europe, stayed with some very far-removed family in the Baltic countries, went down to Australia. My next trip is hopefully Tokyo.

[–]soulmatter2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Once you start turning yourself around though, it's pretty addicting taking the social risks that advance yourself. Momentum can be achieved and maintained.

[–]Median213 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy

Am I the only one that took this with a grain of salt?

"I am a sexual God"

"I could fuck just about anyone's wife or gf"

I mean come on, this is a damn 4chan post.

[–]nomdplume12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy

I could fuck just about anyone's wife or gf

This is what 100% pure shit talk sounds like.

Not to say that wives and girlfriends can't be gotten (they can), but it either takes a lot of both effort and skill, or just the right circumstances.

I don't think even the Brad Pitts of the world could pull off "just about anyone" without a good amount of effort or a star-alignment.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

The guy is clearly full of shit. Yes, it is possible to fuck girls within minutes of meeting them during the day. Yes, it's possible to fuck girls with husbands.

80% efficiency on approach

No. Just no. Brad Pitt wouldn't have an 80% pull rate on cold approach. That's not how it works, that's not how girls work. As soon as I read that I realized this is a guy masquerading as a player. Real players know you get shot down WAY more often. They also realize that many girlfriends/wives are unfuckable. If you know anything about sexual availability, you'll know that the majority of the girls out there are literally not available and it doesn't matter how awesome you are. They are unavailable.

This dude was getting hard thinking about how awesome he wishes he was. I have no doubt that he sleeps with attractive women, but he is massively overstating his value. Guys who actually get laid can see through this.

[–]ThreadPill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're making the assumption that he's suggesting 80% of women. The distinction is important. 80% of women that he CHOOSES to approach.

There's a big difference between "I can pull 8/10 HB9s" and "When I approach HB9s I'm successful 8/10 times." Some people are just good at identifying targets.

I'm not saying EVERYTHING about what he said is true, but the guy clearly knows what he's saying and while this isn't before PUA, this is before TRP as we know it now.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

You say the opposite of what this guy is saying. However, if there is one thing we can agree on, I'm sure it's that hypergamy is a real thing. Now, with that understanding, what makes you say that the majority of women are unfuckable? (I'm not talking about the ugly ones, either)

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

On any given day it's more likely that a girl is unfuckable. I don't mean they're unfuckable forever, but you are not going to pull them then. And if you get a phone number from an unavailable girl, she just won't respond to your text. This applies to the best looking of guys. The reason is simply that girls are people too. There are a thousand reasons why a girl might not be available. She might have a boyfriend, she might have a fuckbuddy. her dad might have died that day. she could be very sick. She could be committed to abstinence. she could have a yeast infection or be on her period. she could be depressed. I could list this shit forever

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe hes the hottest thing to hit west virginia. Or he has a bottomless crack pipe.

[–]tallwheel-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. That shit was more than a bit much, but the advice itself was all solid - as many of us can confirm - so who cares?

[–]whoops_fap 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy

4chan is actually frequented by a lot of very intelligent people, you'd be surprised. 4chan was my first intro to TRP.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I remember a time when a simple but tricky probability problem was posted on 4chan.

I had just taken a discrete math course so it was cake to me but most people I ask (even pretty intelligent people) fall for the trick.

Well, the first 7 posts on 4chan got it right. I was pretty impressed, because even the average kid I meet at a high tier university gets it wrong at first.

Anecdotal evidence aside, there is something about complete anonymity that draws people who want to talk without the shade of PC bullshit.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

But popularity is killing it. Now it's "top kek" all around and stupid math equations to bait people off. Of course from time to time there is a gem popping out, but now they're fare more rare.

[–]icouldhavehaditall-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm taking a discrete math course at the moment. Do you remember the problem? I'd love to try it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Really simple one.

Say you toss two coins, and you know for a fact that one of them came up heads. What's the probability that both came up heads? .




ANSWER: Though most people mistakenly say 1/2, the answer is 1/3. Why?

We know that one (not which one) landed heads. Look at our probability space before any information:





All we know now is that the last possibility has been scratched off, so we're now in the probability space:




With a 1/3 chance of having HH.

EDIT: First post on the thread was gold. He said "1/3 probability because you know one landed heads, and the second one can land either heads, tails, or on its side so there's a 1/3 probability both are heads" lolol

[–]icouldhavehaditall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's like the Monty Hall problem, but not as mindfuck-y!

[–]bobbydrake690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

With a large enough net you'll catch anything.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Can someone clarify the "Take responsibility for every escalation" section? Specifically "Don't get her horny until you have her isolated".

What exactly do they mean here? Got any examples?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Specifically "Don't get her horny until you have her isolated".

Women respond to the emotions they feel in the moment. So, if she feels horny, but is unable to respond, the moment will pass and it will be much harder to establish it again. This is the case for picking up girls, but not for an established relationship where sex later is already on the table. In that case, get her horny on and off during the day/evening and she will respond much better later, when you are alone.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I still don't understand. Isn't sexual tension happening from the get-go you open? So you're not gonna fuck her on the club floor but you most deifnitely can fuck her later.

[–]rokwedge5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think of it as men need to be in the driver seat, making decisions, taking actions, and being responsible for ending up at the destination (sex in this scenario). Women want to be at that same destination, but are judged and told to feel bad about that, so they work better and feel better as being the backseat driver. Thus she's not to blame for ending up at that destination while at the same time she gets to voice how she thinks you should be driving the car and how you're getting there (shit tests).

If you're not responsible for escalating, that's the same as you pulling over and letting her out of the car or getting out and telling her she should drive. She doesn't want to actually drive, she wants the illusion that her arriving at that destination was beyond her control and that she can rationalize afterwards that she's not responsible for those actions. She really does want to go to the same place, or else she wouldn't have gotten in the car with you or made you pull over. But this way she gets to say she was just a passenger in the car. Both of you get what you want and arrive at the same place, but you can't have two drivers, or only two passengers. Each plays the role that works best.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent, excellent analogy.

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[–]tallwheel-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

True, but that's actually not what was meant here. rokwedge has the correct answer.

[–]Cypher2112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read this a while back but forgot to save it. Won't make that mistake again thanks for sharing OP, this stuff is gold. Interesting how some of the true red pill classics come from 4chan

[–]ITworksGuys2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is how I broke out of my shell.

4th post is what I am talking about. I just needed a larger sample size.

I went up and talked to every girl I thought was attractive. It was kind of nerve wracking at first, I got shot down a lot, but pretty soon it was just not a big deal.

I got confident, girls sensed this, and I got laid a lot more.

I wish I was the good looking, smooth guy that could pick up any chick he wanted, but that isn't how it worked out.

I had to work at this shit.

[–]lloopy6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Totally unreadable on a mobile device.

[–]GonewildGoldUser0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Read it on mine fine. S3. Upgrade your 3310 m8.

[–]jumpingdonkey4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

i remember reading this back then, its a great "piece of art".

[–]pickyourking7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Guy claims to have slept with over 200 women. Good lord, we have a serious degenerate, sex addicted loser here. I enjoy TRP, but I wouldn't take anything this dude says to heart.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's basically quoting "The Game". Just go read that instead.

[–]drowninginfootwear1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Honest question, does anyone here really want to be like this guy?

Assuming he's not bullshitting, the life he describes sounds like that of an empty, sad, loser. A loser who gets laid a lot sure, but a loser nonetheless.

This guy doesn't sound happy. He doesn't even sound all that red pill, more like someone in the early bitter stage, who read a bunch of game theory and became a sleazy pick up artist with no real personality and no ability to connect with a female in any real way.

[–]Sweetmoe7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can't tell all those things based on his post. He was simply conveying how to get laid and how women act. He didn't touch on his hobbies or where he gets his joy. Don't be an ass face man!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds like you simply don't like this dude because he gets laid honestly. Which sounds like jealousy to me. He does what you can't so he must be a loser with a shit personality? Kind of pathetic to judge someone in this manner u know nothing about.

[–]drowninginfootwear4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not really, trust me I'm doing fine. All I stated was that the life this guy describes in no way sounds like a fulfilling one. He flat out says as much:

"Sometimes I hate knowing it, sometimes I wish I had taken the blue pill, and never went down the rabbit hole, because now there's really no going back."

Give me a break, these are the words of someone not at peace with himself. They are also the words of someone who doesn't really get it.

Pro tip: If reading up on red pill philosophy turns you into someone who lays awake wishing he hadn't, you're doing it wrong.

[–]tallwheel-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

So, what you are saying is that LTR's and marriage are superior to plates because of the emotional connection? That's your opinion.

There's nothing more TRP than skillfully spinning multiple plates. Marriage and LTR's can be good too if they are practiced in a TRP way without losing frame. Ideally, someone should have plenty of experience with plates before considering marriage. At least, that's what Rollo tells me.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hows his life not better than the average married mans? Same empty, sad loser, but gets decent sex, isnt someones bitch/ tampon, doesnt get hit with divorce/ alimony rape when "shes not in love anymore." Not really concerned about connecting with females anymore. Beyond a relationship theres nothing I need a woman for. And if I do, Ill take a dancing class.

[–]spoon_fucker1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn't have to feel like it was "her fault." Make it YOUR fault. Make it "just happen." She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bullshit generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don't get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny.

Lol'ed at the "bullshit generator." I think this is a huge truth to realize in order to mature past the bitter stage of the redpill. Women are simply pragmatic about maximizing their sexual strategy. They will discard logic, honor, or loyalty if it means falling under the frame of someone that can give her AF, BB, or both. To be fair, I think men will also discard these same virtues to get some premium pussy (thoughts?).

Also, the "emotional is better than horny" has so much truth to it, and it probably deserves its own long discussion.

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Bullshit generator" is just his term for "hamster".

[–]kellykebab-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

That last phrase, "emotional is better than horny," was especially confusing. Mind clarifying?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you get a girl horny that is a short term state. If you give her up-down and lots of emotions she will hamster that into you being somebody who just "Gets It" and will want to fuck you as a high value man. So emotional is better (and longer lasting) than horny. I know it is counter-intuitive. What else is new.

[–]spoon_fucker0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Pretty much the same as what BluepillProfessor said, getting her into wild, fun highs and pouty lows will really establish your ability to lead the adventure (assuming you keep your frame, especially when you tease or confront her). Once you've done this well, you can really see it in their eyes when the DTF-switch in their heads has gone off - and they are just waiting for you to make the first move.

I'm sure a lot of guys can relate to situations where you literally stop in the middle of a sentence and go in for the make-out because you have realized this switch has gone off. It's a good feeling.

Horny on the other hand... I think it's easy to fall into the trap of appearing desperate or "only interested in sex." I think sometimes you can really put too much of the pressure on them, and we all know plausible deniability and spur-of-the-moment, non-judgmental sex is really what turns them on, which can really only happen after a wild roller-coaster night of fun and drama and tension.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You're saying it's better to give them a varied emotional experience than only try to arouse them?

If so, yeah, I agree. Well said.

What's a good way to respond to, "I never do this/do that with guys on the first date/second date/in public/while hiking, etc." after some kind of fooling around has occurred? It always sounds halfway between a compliment and a confession, like half impressed and half regretful.

[–]spoon_fucker1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe her slut alarms are going off. It's a good thing to care about one's reputation and values, though, so it's not a bad thing. I think you would just need to take the pressure off her and assume responsibility for the interaction (i.e. plausible deniability again, aka the ability to say to her girlfriends "it just happened!"). I can't say I know the perfect thing to say, however. I usually try to establish a frame of spontaneity and excitement, which would help in this case. I have to admit I've used "yolo" semi-ironically more than a few times.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When girls speak like this, it generally feels like they are looking for a particular response, though. I'm not sure what I usually say, but I think I just brush it off.

My spontaneous/exciting frame is usually what resulted in the hooking up to begin with, but you're saying to keep it going (eg. "yolo") even when the girl expresses those feelings of uncertainty?

I'll try that next time.

[–]nomdplume-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also, the "emotional is better than horny" has so much truth to it

Absolutely. Works wonders for both men and women, incidentally, but particularly for women.

[–]brmlb-2 points-1 points  (20 children) | Copy

Being tall closes the deal. It's not rocket science with women. A shorter dude with the same attitude would not have the same results.

[–]jmotrain 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy

Height is important and all things being equal, a taller guy will have an easier time with women. However, being attractive is more important. I've seen some ugly ass tall guys fail with women, where I've done okay at 5'7. There are more factors in play, like how you carry yourself.

I think once you pass a certain threshold for height (probably 5'5+), you aren't at a huge disadvantage assuming your decently attractive. It might be slightly more challenging than it is for the taller guy but no one hits at 100%. The best hitter in baseball, Ted Williams, got a hit less than 50% of the time. Jordan's Bulls still lost games, Muhammed Ali lost fights. If you think being tall is some magic pill for hitting at a 100% clip, you'd be dead wrong.

[–]meyamoben0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think good examples of short guys who know how to rock it with the laddies are Rob Lowe and Michael J. Fox. I think short guys can pull off a clever/witty demeanor that tall guys don't have the same access to. And since OP brought up the dog analogy, chihuahuas could knock up a great dane (absent logistical challenges). A tall guy is more likely to be stoic e.g. Zlatan, but short guys still have a full deck of cards to work with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Believe that. As short guys, we have more adversity to overcome and develop a stronger frame because of it.

Of course, that only counts for the short guys that make it as a lot of us are not strong enough to overcome these challenges.

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David X is 5'4''. He has that attitude. He slept with 1,000.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

I literally don't understand how you could believe a guy that fat and unattractive. Has he provided proof of all the hot girls he fucks, or are you just blindly trusting an internet marketer?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

You are skeptical because liars exist. It's reasonable to be.

However, independently of his word in particular, I believe that a short, fat and ugly guy with character can have a lot of sex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Short, fat and ugly guys can have lots of sex... with girls of a similar caliber.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

...and any other caliber. Girls are attracted to character, not looks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This is a myth that needs to die ASAP.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What led you to conclude that it is a myth?

[–]nomdplume0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Being tall may offer a bit of an assist, but it's in no way a given.

I'm tall (6'3"), and with the exception of my wife, no woman has ever told me that my being tall made me more attractive (my wife, though, really isn't turned on much by short guys - she tells me often how grateful she is that I'm tall).

Eyes, facial hair (or lack thereof), ass, legs, hair (or, less often, the lack thereof once I started shaving my head) have all been mentioned.

Height? Not once. I'm not saying being tall doesn't help, but it's usually a minor contributor.

The most successful lady-killers I know are all shorter than I am, a couple are much shorter than I am.


[–]jmotrain 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah it kinda of goes both ways from what I've seen.

One of my friend's from college was shorter than me, probably around 5'5. He was no better looking than me IMO. He once told me (this was at 19 years old) that he had slept with 17 women. He asked me (this was in private so he didn't put me on blast in front of other people) how many women I had slept with. I sheepishly told him the truth (1). His girlfriend at the time was a super hot, short blonde. He didn't put women on a pedestal and he was pretty RP as far as having self-confidence and believing he was the prize and not the other way around.

Now on the other hand, my friend's brother is a tall (6'3) handsome guy who I'd say was a natural Alpha but doesn't really have game. He still managed to fuck multiple strippers without even trying. I saw other women throw themselves at him too. He didn't need to develop game because he is in the top 10%. It isn't fair that he has it on easy mode, but that is life.

So really it comes down to the hand you were dealt in life whether it is easy or not to get laid with women. It is still possible being short but it is just more difficult than if you were a natural tall alpha male.

[–]nomdplume2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is still possible being short but it is just more difficult than if you were a natural tall alpha male.

And a natural short alpha male will trump the average tall dude every time. It's about being alpha, not tall.

[–]Vortiya 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Depends on the height of the girl usually.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Status closes the deal. A short man with higher status will pull over the tall dude. With that being said, height raises your status, so they go hand in hand.

[–]zephyrprime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That thing is more than three years old. It's been floating around since before I ever learn about pickup and that was more than seven years ago.

[–]babybelly0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

i think the advertisement for a book is missing

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why? He already gives away all the best parts of what would be in the book in the post.

[–]T-bear960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow, this is the best description of the redpill mindset I have ever seen. I'm not sure if its because I've been reading this stuff for months. But this makes so much sense.

[–]GreatWhite_Buffalo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Solid advice, but there are two women I know that are absolute bros with wingwoman-ing when it comes to advice/helping you out. I still agree that nearly 100% of girls get into "throw you under the bus" mode if you try to get some help getting laid, though.

[–]j-pHil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is the wisest, realest thing I've ever heard on 4chan. The funny thing is it was said in a very 4chan way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holyshit, I remember this post. I had it saved since such a long time!

This is what really opened my eyes and got me laid.

Fuck respect, fuck honor and above all, fuck all the drama. I'm here to have fun, I don't have to follow you and your shitty personality.

[–]SpectralCrown0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I mean, I get that it's great to get laid so much, but doing it with women who cheat on their boyfriends/husbands? I get that you're trying to prove that most women really aren't faithful, but that's kind of a dick move...

[–]anothercarguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

pretty much a Tl;Dr of The Game

[–]shiversliver0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So how do I actually go about doing that? It's like giving the overall objective, but not telling me how.

At this point I can't even really talk to a woman I don't know...

[–]TeasingPenguin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Very good for him, that post was written in 2010, amazing he got into that mentality without something like TRP to show him the way.

A lot of the "lingo" he uses is similar, possible TRP has been around since then?

Or some of the lingo has been adopted merely because of this post?

[–]TheTexasTickler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Kind of late on this but a big thing that stuck out here was this guy's self perception. He somehow equated "marginal" with being a 7 and I have to say that I don't see too many lonely 7s. Now of course there is a big difference between being satisfied in the typical way and being satisfied with a horde of women but you could have a room full of genuine 7s (or at least people with that level of confidence) and then introduce some females into the mix and just by natural and learned ability the 7s would generally go home happy. I'm obviously not going to stop working on my game or myself but it will be interesting when I get down to target looks just how different the world will seem and how different it will actually be.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

this is a brilliant post. I've read this a few times over the past year. why is this philosophy so hated by the mainstream/other subreddits? it's so logical u have to be delusional to deny this.

someone, Please, enlighten me.

[–]dave_is_not_here-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be attractive, fit and confident or pay for a hooker. Problem solved.

Articles like this lend the impression that any old guy can get tons of pussy just by being slick and that's totally not true. If this guy's really "a 7" he's seriously underplaying his own attractive nature. I'm around a 7. I still get modeling offers to this day. Yeah it's "Sears catalog" kind of modeling, but those people are all in the area of a 7. A "7" guy is actually a pretty handsome guy. 7 is not average it's markedly attractive.

Getting laid for me is a simple matter of getting out and putting myself in front of a lot of women. Some are bound to be attracted to me and I can just fuckin' smell it. Then it's just a matter of opening up rapport and not fucking it up before I get them to some place private.

This is actually just a guide for attractive men on how to not fuck it up and kill the attraction.

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[–]phe_nom0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

My 2 cents. A lot of what he is saying is true, but he is completely exaggerating his success rate unless he is the greatest pua of all time that doesn't have the nickname 'the stilt'. Nobody without an absolutely ridiculous smv can pull 80%.

[–]deep_anal_thrusts-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

banging a girl every two weeks if you're not bad looking is not mind bogglingly high. 2/week * 52weeks /year - 100 females per year

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is by far the most comprehensive and insightful understanding of the female psyche I've read outside of this sub.

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I love how he broke down the way women make decisions with their emotions, and he could never bring himself to vote for a woman president.

[–]FallenHighSchoolJock-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Squats are all you need to get laid.

[–]nomdplume-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Nope. Thanks for playing, though.

Squats can't hurt, sure, but you need a lot more than squats. There are a fuckton of guys out there who can squat a fuckton of weight and are still striking out regularly with women.

I've done squats, and not done squats, and I actually had better luck before I got ripped.

Sexual attraction is mostly about attitude, not build.

[–]FallenHighSchoolJock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sexual attraction is about not having skinny chicken legs.

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Both of you are wrong.

Squats are not all you need to get laid, and sexual attraction isn't mostly about attitude either. Ideally you want both. Both will help your chances of getting laid.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eh. I work a high volume retail/service industry job and most of the better looking chicks' boyfriends are pretty ripped. There's at least a strong correlation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is my favorite post I've seen here. Thank you OP

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm pretty sure this is satire. Talking to a girl in a super market and then fucking her in a car 30 minutes later while her boyfriend uses the restroom? Very alpha. lol

[–]BRENDORVEGAS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

At some point one has to wonder if all this work to get an orgasm is worth it. Otherwise, that was a wise copy pasta. Gracias.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

First sentence, "I wasn't a sexist before I knew women."

You've reeled me in like a fish.

Bravo, mates.

[–]PersianDj-5 points-4 points  (6 children) | Copy

All this works if she finds you hot and interesting in the first place

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know a fat guy who works this angle and still has good success, never seen him with a girl less than an 8.

What's your excuse?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let's see some pics of this guy then

[–]poonslayer2000-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

this is why you are not currently slaying some poon

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've been where you are. It is a dark place. All I can tell you, you're as wrong as I was.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

I keep getting the feeling that more than half of TRPers here are or have been browsing 4chan..and this isn't helping.

[–]manslutalt4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've heard/read those same points from many different sources. I can guarantee that that guy didn't invent any of it. What he did was combine a wide range of very good advice in a short and concise post.

[–]knechtigerknecht10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Care to explain why this is a problem?

[–]icallmyselfmonster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Reddit is 4chan-lite, what are you talking about?

[–]RompeChocha-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nothing new to me, but great for the newbies. Solid stuff.

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*stupidest thread title ever

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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