Ray Rice a hero to Ravens fans, press can't believe it.

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September 12, 2014
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http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26512888/ravens-fans-men-and-women-wear-ray-rice-jerseys-at-thursday-night-game

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"BALTIMORE (AP) — Music blared from the purple bus, and Baltimore Ravens fan Racquel Bailey stood with drink in hand amid her usual tailgate buddies while making a bold fashion statement: a black, rhinestone-decorated jersey with the white No. 27.

A Ray Rice jersey.

"There's two sides to every story," said the 23-year-old waitress from Baltimore. "I saw the video. That's their personal business, and it shouldn't have affected his career. I don't agree with domestic violence, but she's still with him, so obviously it wasn't that big of a deal. Everyone should just drop it." ..."

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The Fox News guy could not find a single fan, male or female, who wanted Ray Rice gone.


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Title Ray Rice a hero to Ravens fans, press can't believe it.
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Upvotes 189
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Date 12 September 2014 12:08 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]thoramit27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

The comments on that article are brilliant, they can't handle what the fans are saying!

[–]HerculestheRed108 points109 points  (28 children) | Copy

This is the problem anytime you do something to appease the more vocal minority.

You get slack-jawed reporters and pundits struggling to find a single person who agrees with you. Regardless of whether he did or did not deserve it, when you side with the vocal minority to shut them up, you shouldn't be surprised that the majority don't agree with you.

[–]1Padre5524 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah, no matter for our SJW's in the sports media, they merely turn to each other "oh that was horrible..wasn't it Tommy? Yes it was Boomer, completely unacceptable, he should have been cut!"

They validate each other with NO dissent whatsoever as to the idea being pushed out for consumption.

[–]zlex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think what's missing from this analysis is that people in Baltimore are not the only people who watch football.

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[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

SJWs are drunk with power these days. I think the fan reaction speaks to that. People are bristling.

The NFL should have stuck to it's original suspension.

The guy went into counseling with his wife as a part of pre-trial release. Hopefully the two of them don't spit on or swing on each other any more and work shit out.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (21 children) | Copy

The one thing I've noticed is that the media has to my knowledge, not even really spoke to the girl and got her opinion on the matter. The narrative has already been written, goddamned even the victim's opinion. When you really think about it, it's scary to think exactly how far this shit goes, and the auto-shields people will put up just to believe a certain story.

"Hey let's ask her how she feels".

"NO NO NO that doesn't work! She's a victim and obviously traumatized and means not what she says!!! Group think is obviously much better at making decisions and formulating opinions for her than she herself is!!!"

Now all of a sudden women have no autonomy and she lives her life in such fear of Ray that she decided to just marry him after the fact anyways.

[–]1cover20[S] 45 points46 points  (4 children) | Copy

A couple days ago I was watching the TV sports talk show "Numbers Never Lie" when the wife came out with her statement that she didn't want all this press coverage and the punishment was wrong. The two people doing the show, a black man and a black woman, were taken aback. The woman said that yes she can understand that it's very disruptive and probably bad for Rice and his wife, but on the other hand it's very important to have a way to discuss these issues.

In other words the press has an agenda, and don't confuse them with the facts.

But kudos to the wife for making such a clear statement. It probably shamed the press into reducing the intensity of the witch hunt.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

"Never let facts get in the way of a good story."

[–]bisexie0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Everyone knows it, but we all know what sells newspapers or gets online clicks: sensational & emotional headlines.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

MSM targets women and betas, who are only comfortable with feelies and not truth.

[–]1Padre551 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep in mind, the name of the show was "Numbers Never Lie" presumably a sports talk show about stats and analytics. Instead they completely drop that format to push an agenda of "..to have a way to discuss these issues".

The sports media is no different from political news media, they just run up a false flag of being sports oriented.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz28 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy

Basically sums up the entire "#WhyIStayed" hashtag campaign.

"I had to stay because even though my boyfriend was an abusive piece of shit, something something I was scared and unable to go to the authorities. I don't have agency and I need other people to make decisions for me."

[–]_orion29 points30 points  (5 children) | Copy

"And I'm makin bank for taking a shot in the face"

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Seriously. She wouldn't have married the guy if he hadn't been an NFL player who showers her with money.

[–]USCswimmer9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe, maybe not... you don't know and no one else does either. Plenty of women stay with men who hit them, and don't consider themselves 'trapped' either.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They also have a child together.

[–]Jar_of_apples4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seriously tho if you put into figures how much money she directly gets, and indirectly through a nice house,probably car services, dinners, clothing etc....

Hell I wouldn't let Ray Rice fuck me, but I'd sure take a punch in the face from him every few months to get all that.

[–]_orion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rr: "well hunny it's that time of the month, punch in the face, or facial, flip a coin"

[–]dejour10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

She's not pleased.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/9/9/6126067/janay-rice-statement-ray-rice-ravens-nfl

Yes, Ray Rice should never have done what he did, stuff like that shouldn't happen, and it should be prevented. On the other hand, the victim, Janay Rice is actually being hurt by this publicity and extra punishment for her husband.

[–]BasementMisogynist6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some wives need be sacrificed on the altar of feminism

[–]NakedAndBehindYou6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The last part of this comic illustrates SJW's perfectly.

[–]amdefbanned1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The shit that pisses me off the most is all this armchair psychology by the media. "Well...she just doesnt know how she feels." Lol. It's kinda the same shit the Feminists on this site tried to do with RPWomen.

[–]fizolof3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The white knights are sometimes scary and evil. For example, the girl who got "raped" by Polanski forgave him and said that the media attention was much more damaging to her, but nobody seems to care. Same here. If she doesn't bring charges and is still with him, why should we care? Because white knights "know better"?

Especially since this relationship is unlike any other relationship, due to his wealth.

[–]Radox_Redux0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Reminds me of the whole Julian Assange rape testimony nonsense. The girls who have been used for those allegations later denied it ever took place, but they've been silenced in the media, and Assange is still wanted for 'rape'.

[–]1neveragoodtime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Now they've fucked up her life as well. She married someone who could make millions and his earning potential just got destroyed. Think of the women!

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh38 points39 points  (42 children) | Copy

Based on the video, Rice wasn't completely unjustified. The fiancé/wife lunged at him and then he punched her out. It wasn't as if he just punched her out of the blue. The two of them were fighting and the wife was also physically attacking Rice. He wasn't the sole aggressor.

If a man just beats a woman without the woman trying to attack him, then that is much worse. For example, when Nigella Lawson's husband choked her out in public, it seems to have been unprovoked by any physical attack on her part. But if the woman is also physically attacking the man, then she carries some of the blame as well.

The bottom line is, if a woman tries to physically attack a man, the man has a right to defend himself. Maybe Rice overreacted, but he didn't have much time to think. If I charged / lunged at a cop how many times do you think they would shoot me?

[–]Moneyley17 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy

Where were you when I posted my redpill post that I side with ray rice? gotta buncha pussies that were afraid to agree with me that it was an altercation and that they were both going at it. No matter how much I posted that I am against hitting women, everybody scrambled thinking that by agreeing with me it would mean that trp accepts hitting women. All I said was that he reacted to her aggression and that in the heat of the moment we cant judge.

Also that the possibility existed that they were both drunk and to consider that Ray Rice can bench over 300lbs but somehow had trouble carrying her out? Finally, they have both had a history of hitting each other including a citation so any confrontation that they have, in their minds they will always think that somebody can throw a punch.

[–]prodigyx9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I saw that post and I had to stay out of it. Surprising how many bluepills and white knights sub just so they can post here.

But just because we aren't posting about it defending him, doesn't mean we don't realize what is being done to him is unfair. Just sometimes it's better not to argue with people who cannot be reasoned with.

[–]robesta7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Also that the possibility existed that they were both drunk and to consider that Ray Rice can bench over 300lbs but somehow had trouble carrying her out?

Dead weight is much different than lifting. There's not many easy ways to move a limp body.

[–]anonlymouse9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Incidentally, also why women shouldn't be municipal fire fighters. Ray Rice had trouble picking her up, there's no way a woman with gear on is even going to be able to carry a teenager out.

[–]robesta8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same for combat Soldiers. It's not just about not slowing everybody down, at the end of the day, you have to he able to take care of your battle nbuddy in addition to yourself.

[–]RedPill1150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dead weight is much different than lifting. There's not many easy ways to move a limp body.

It's also easier to lift a barbell than it is to move someone who's unconscious who you don't want to get hurt further.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've posted the breakdown of the video many time before, but I guess people around here need to see it again. At eight seconds in he lunges at her like he's going to headbutt her (some have said he spits on her like you note). At this point she swats him away which is a perfectly reasonable reaction to either: being spit on or believing that you are about to be attacked based on Rice's lunge. (Here she should have refused to get in the elevator with him). They get in the elevator and he lunges/spits at her four more times. She raises her elbow to shield her face and turns to face him. He hits her at 26 seconds, and retreats. She then goes after him and he delivers the KO punch.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP DOES support hitting women... when they truly deserve to be hit. If some cunt is punching me maliciously over and over again I believe I have the right to punch right back. And as the laws are WRITTEN, I do. Unfortunately, though, her vagina has priority over my penis so I'd see jail time for it.

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[–]throwaway-sst-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

You realize he started the entire thing spitting in her face?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

Don't let the facts of the video get in the way of everyone around here "hamstering" away what he did. I've posted the breakdown of the video many time before, but I guess people around here need to see it again. At eight seconds in he lunges at her like he's going to headbutt her (some have said he spits on her like you note). At this point she swats him away which is a perfectly reasonable reaction to either: being spit on or believing that you are about to be attacked based on Rice's lunge. (Here she should have refused to get in the elevator with him). They get in the elevator and he lunges/spits at her four more times. She raises her elbow to shield her face and turns to face him. He hits her at 26 seconds, and retreats. She then goes after him and he delivers the KO punch.

How anybody sees anything else in this video is unbelievable. For all the complaining about "hamstering" that women do, this sub is filled with it re: ray rice.

All that being said, I hope that Ray Rice sues the league and is reinstated. The willy nilly way in which he was punished seems to violate the guidelines the NFL and players agreed to in handling these situations.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

What the fuck are you talking about escalating? He escalated the situation to the point where she was justified in feeling unsafe.

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

He made the first move you fucking moron. If anybody does that to me I'm going to defend myself.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Would I protect myself from believing that I was about to be attacked? Yes. Would I get into an elevator with someone who had just given me reason to believe that they would attack me? No. If I were in an elevator and someone were giving me reason to believe that they were going to attack me would I defend myself? Yes.

Ray Rice escalated the situation.

[–]throwaway-sst2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol when my niece and nephew throw temper tantrums, I don't cold cock them to prove a point.

Nobody would bat an eye because I'm bigger than Ray Rice. If he attacked me and spit in my face, I wouldn't slap him since that's ineffective; I'd punch him in the face and it'd be a relatively fair fight. To equate her to a male fighting him is retarded. Are you fucking stupid?

[–]Bottled_Void-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

So what you're saying is she had it coming? Yeah, I can't believe that.

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[–]Bottled_Void-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

He wanted to punch her out before they even got in the lift. So he did. He's a piece of shit.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've posted the breakdown of the video many time before, but I guess people around here need to see it again. At eight seconds in he lunges at her like he's going to headbutt her (some have said he spits on her like you note). At this point she swats him away which is a perfectly reasonable reaction to either: being spit on or believing that you are about to be attacked based on Rice's lunge. (Here she should have refused to get in the elevator with him). They get in the elevator and he lunges/spits at her four more times. She raises her elbow to shield her face and turns to face him. He hits her at 26 seconds, and retreats. She then goes after him and he delivers the KO punch.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just watched it. I think it was two smacks and the second smack sent her in into the handrail and the handrail KOd her.

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[–]ibangbang1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you have to post the same comment over and over and over? Is your opinion really that important?

[–]1neveragoodtime2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

All you have to do is imagine the reaction if the person he punched out was a man. There would be no controversy. You come at a guy twice your size and he punches you out, well you just got what you deserved. But if a woman is involved, make sure you calibrate your response to pussy mode. Oh, it's a girl coming at me, I can only punch this hard. The whole point of defense is to stop the attacker. That's all he did.

Feminism, standing up for women because they're so weak.

[–]RedPill1151 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seriously.

I have no problem saying they're both morons. It's the "he's bad, she's good!" stuff that gets me.

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His arms are the size of most people's legs. He may not have even meant to hurt her all that much but just isn't accustomed to how much english to put on the chin music to quiet the wife down.

[–]Fzed600-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

It was clear in the video that the punch was a defensive move. Not only that, but the evidence was cropped to make it look like he lost it within seconds and donkey punched her.

[–]throwaway-sst0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Lmao defensive? He spit in her face, was slapped, then followed her into the elevator and spit in her face again. He has about 90lbs of muscle on her. Are you delusional?

[–]Moneyley5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

So HER charging is not an offensive move?

Here let me type what you are going to type. "he spit on her face, he started it"

Based on what WE get to see, HE is on the offensive. Gathering facts, she's hit him before and he's hit her before. It can be a natural instinct to swing for each of them. Maybe they do this often (there is proof) and we want to act like this ONE event happened to them just once.

[–]throwaway-sst-5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Are we watching the same video?.lol you call that charging? Only a little bitch would think that's a that. Considering he was spitting on her and followed her into the elevator, I somehow don't think that's the case.

You sound like a bitch.

[–]Moneyley-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

If defending myself is a bitch move then I wonder how youd react? "No baby, thats not right, lets talk about this...(SLAP!) "Ouuuch! That hurt" Take your Beta ass and go troll somewhere else.

[–]throwaway-sst-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol you fucking faggot if you think punching a chick 100lbs lighter than you, who you just spit 3x in the face, is needed you're a bitch. Looking at your post history, this seems to be the case. Grow a pair.

[–]throwaway-sst-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

He spit in her face. Twice. He initiated the incident then knocked her out.

[–]Moneyley1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

They were already arguing prior too, its why I said in my post that you can go all the way back to hrs before and say "ooooh see he/she started it" thats kinda like two kids in the back seat and you wanna figure out who kicked who first. What matters is the events in the elevator where the event in questioned actually happened.

[–]throwaway-sst-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Where he walked up and spit in her face multiple times in the elevator? That part? Because it happened before she swatted at him.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've posted the breakdown of the video many time before, but I guess people around here need to see it again. At eight seconds in he lunges at her like he's going to headbutt her (some have said he spits on her like you note). At this point she swats him away which is a perfectly reasonable reaction to either: being spit on or believing that you are about to be attacked based on Rice's lunge. (Here she should have refused to get in the elevator with him). They get in the elevator and he lunges/spits at her four more times. She raises her elbow to shield her face and turns to face him. He hits her at 26 seconds, and retreats. She then goes after him and he delivers the KO punch.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's ironic in a sad way, really. Think about it: she took that ass beating because she thought she wasn't marrying another unemployed black guy...

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[–]Moneyley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

THIS: ----> you can't judge an entire relationship off of one 3 minute film clip. They may do shit like that all the time and that's what gets her off.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she doesnt care she got laid out, why should I.

[–]pushajudas3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

The way I heard about it, I thought he was just abusive from all the media. Then I watched the video. She made it physical by balancing him. He yells at her, she hits him again. Now he responds by hitting her back and then BACKING OFF. She wouldn't have gotten knocked out if she stopped once she got hit, but she charged at him after that.

I didn't even know who the guy was. Now my co-worker was talking about it, and said on the radio they had an interview where they found out Ray Rice was regularly abused by his wife, including a time where she started beating him while he was asleep. Just imagine waking up to your face being punched in.

[–]foxevv0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's not easy to see but he spit on her at the very beginning.

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And we conveniently have no idea why he did that - clearly there were no other cameras operating in the area, or in the areas they came from to give context to the fight.

Eh, I bet he thought he would just spit in her face for the fuck of it, though, right? People do that all the time! /s

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I've posted the breakdown of the video many time before, but I guess people around here need to see it again. At eight seconds in he lunges at her like he's going to headbutt her (some have said he spits on her like you note). At this point she swats him away which is a perfectly reasonable reaction to either: being spit on or believing that you are about to be attacked based on Rice's lunge. (Here she should have refused to get in the elevator with him). They get in the elevator and he lunges/spits at her four more times. She raises her elbow to shield her face and turns to face him. He hits her at 26 seconds, and retreats. She then goes after him and he delivers the KO punch.

[–]Bukkaking3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I posted this on another thread that's been killed:

Redpill double standard. Yes he fucked up, but he over-reacted and probably didn't mean to hit her that hard. Yes it's wrong but for some reason the idea of women being hit seems to bring out everyone's inner white knight, despite how RP they claim to be.

There's a big cultural gap in the sense that whites/Caucasians have the idea ingrained in them that it is never ok to hit a woman under any circumstances and it is a major (if not the primary) trigger of white knight behaviors. I work in a county jail facility with mostly blacks and hispanics and in neither of their cultures is it taboo to hit a woman if you have a legitimate reason to do so.

A bit of an analogy is that mainstream white society sees what he did as an "assault and battery", to the black society that Ray Rice and his wife come from, what he did is a case of "excessive force" which is a much less severe crime that they can look past.

[–]BasementMisogynist-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

probably because white culture has fetishised (pedestaled) white woman, leading to their being sold into international slavery, raped by the thousands by nonwhites, and coddled and babied into an ever lower level of expectation unable to manage or compete with others.

Feminism created by white women is destroying them.

White culture, (all cultures) used to put it that women sometimes flew to hysterics and needed to be disciplined like children. Now they cannot be and what do you know... They're insane.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm a Baltimore Raven's/Ray Rice fan now.

Seriously... women have this ill conceived notion that they can do whatever the fuck they please and they'll never have any consequences. Well you know what if you try and punch and attack a Professional Athlete like an NFL football player you should expect to get knocked the fuck out.

As the MRAs say... Equal Rights, Equal Fights.

Because stupid as women shouldn't have their cake and eat it too.

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I've posted the breakdown of the video many time before, but I guess people around here need to see it again. At eight seconds in he lunges at her like he's going to headbutt her (some have said he spits on her like you note). At this point she swats him away which is a perfectly reasonable reaction to either: being spit on or believing that you are about to be attacked based on Rice's lunge. (Here she should have refused to get in the elevator with him). They get in the elevator and he lunges/spits at her four more times. She raises her elbow to shield her face and turns to face him. He hits her at 26 seconds, and retreats. She then goes after him and he delivers the KO punch.

[–]Moneyley2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I hope that Jerry Jones picks him up. I mean his wife accepted him back and shamed everybody for intruding. So whats the problem? All this fiasco exploded over people salivating at the thought of another man hitting a woman to further advance the feminist agenda. Now that everybody knows his wife accepted him they look for the next guy to bash. Mr Goodell how are you? Tell me about those videos you had all this time that you didnt know of?

The wife? Just kickin back waiting on Jerry Jones to give them a ring, if not the cowboys, somebody will pick him up, his image is clean now because his wife is backing him.

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[–]rocafella13211 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Which they also said he would be able to reapply same as Vick did.

[–]Moneyley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He did but maybe his wife can vouch for him like she did before. Her doing a public announcement would be grand and would help him return to the league.

[–]Agides2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

We get the Media we deserve. The fact is that Rice's now wife has railed against the coverage stating it is their own business and that the media agenda has forced the outcome. I'm afraid as long as you watch the shit they'll keep producing it. After all what's easier to do than produce shit? And you go to college to learn that stuff? Puh! leeze!

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Why do people care that he hit his girlfriend? Was this your girlfriend? Someone you know? A famous person? No. Nobody cared about her before this happened, but of course people will go crazy and defend her because she got hit by Rice. If he hit his buddy or another man, nobody would care.

[–]Hateblade2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I saw this coming a loooong time ago. When his woman stood by him, I knew the media had lost this one.

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Does anyone realize how easy it is to make someone into a hero (or a martyr) when you bash them nonstop? Everybody knows the media is unreliable. That it's slanted in a certain direction. And hell, it's probably paid for by certain interests who wanna push a certain train of thought into the masses. A lot of these people are just posing in front of a camera. I highly doubt many of them (especially men) believe what they're saying.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

This entire issue is about the guy being a public figure. Does every other employer on the planet get called upon by the court of public opinion to fire any employee accused of violence against a woman? Hell, do people call for the resignation of the CEO of some company if an employee is not punished immediately and severely, before any actual finding of guilt by the legal system?

Take the NFL and celebrity status out of the picture for a minute. Let’s say I’m a senior partner at a law firm, and I hear a rumor that some regular employee – let’s say a black guy who works in my mail room as a clerk who inventories office supplies – got into a fight and beat up his girlfriend. Worse, let’s say her cell phone was on the whole time and recorded the fight, so there’s allegedly proof that he beat her.

Should I, as this man’s employer, be required to conduct some kind of internal investigation at my law firm, spend considerable time and resources getting my hands on this recording, interview people, make my own findings, and punish my mail room clerk internally? I’m not a fucking police detective. I’m not a judge. I’m not a jury. Investigating alleged crimes and doling out punishment is what the legal system is for. I should ignore this altercation that happened outside of my business, during non-work hours, and go about business as usual, let the legal system do its thing, then fire the guy if he turns out to be found guilty of a serious criminal offense. By an actual court. Not by his employer’s ad-hoc investigation or by the all-knowing court of public opinion.

But if my mail room clerk is wealthy public figure, we’ve got to ruin the fuck out of him. Right away. And out of every single person in my organization who didn’t independently investigate the allegations against him and take action well in advance of any legal finding or verdict. Especially because there’s a girl involved!

[–]garlicextract1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think you should be required to do any of that.

But regardless of your job, if you find out an employee is a wife beater, drug dealer, kidnapper, thief, etc, you certainly have the right to get rid of them.

[–]1cover20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am not so sure about getting rid of them. That's a matter for the criminal justice system. You can't just fire people because you don't like the way they run their marriages. If you could do that, you could fire gay people, or people of religions you don't like.

However it is true RR had less protection. He had clauses in his contract saying he could be fired for bringing disrepute on the NFL. It's basically just a PR decision. It's not being said often enough that law enforcement saw all this stuff and didn't charge any crime. Thus only a 2 game suspension, and after the elevator video came out, the only cause for escalation was PR related. OK their call.

Taking a step back, it's not a big deal. High paid jock loses job because he acts like an idiot in public. OK I am not going to get worked up over that, nor draw any social justice conclusion from it.

By the way, what RR did is much worse than what Donald Sterling did. Sterling was speaking with reasonable expectation of privacy, and he was not proposing any crime, just telling the chick who she could bring to games in his arena, exercising his property rights on his own property. What happened to Sterling truly was a travesty, and Steve Ballmer is a real man for stepping up and overpaying to make him whole.

[–]RPtooLate0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Due to the power and/or prestige of the position people want it to hold to their ideals. There is a difference between mail-room clerk, senior partner, and nationally-recognized athlete. I'm having trouble finding the right words, but it has to do with power structure and others being able to use you according to their agenda. I suppose in this case where the commisioner no longer felt like his agenda with Rice was greater value than the media's potential agenda with Rice if he stayed in the NFL. Frankly I think the commissioner was thinking along the lines that you are saying but once the video went public he didn't have enough plausible-deniability to not make a public decision on this.

Plus this involves feminism so the "appeal to authority" is going to be overwhelming and mostly misdirected.

[–]1cover20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is the way it works. But it shouldn't be, unless the crime is heinous.

And that's where the problem is. We think this crime is not heinous. But the media contains only people (specially selected, no doubt) who will say it is heinous. Because that's a public policy message.

There's no point in trying to convince those media people. They are trained and paid to stick to the party line. They probably have no souls.

[–]MasonJarTeaDrinker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel bad for Ray and his Wife, shit like that happens and a man's anger when drunk can be really stupid, but to kill his career like that isn't cool. He's a scapegoat for the NFL right now and lets hope that he can come back eventually.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. A lot of people were livid once the video became public, but when the initial shock wore off and people started paying closer attention to what actually happened, AND in light of her actions prior to the video, it's no wonder people are turning out to support him.

[–]writeonbrother1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sane people understand how life works and sane people have limits that at some point in their lives they reached. What happened in that elevator started way before they entered it. What were they arguing about in the room? Rice spit at her out in the hallway. Spitting on someone is a sign of contempt. He was absolutely disgusted with her. It was not trivial. What disgusts a man enough that he spits on his woman? .

[–]mstersmith1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This makes me smile from ear to ear. The trumped up media hype is all bull shit and they cant believe the American people are not buying it! I can only hope politics follow next.

[–]1cover20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am hereby joining Ravens Nation, and I've never even lived in Baltimore. I want to be with good folks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/sports/the-ladies-of-ravens-nation-on-ray-rice/2014/09/12/4d39ab5a-3a67-11e4-a023-1d61f7

[–]spitfire7rp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

As a ravens fan I think it has something to do with salary cap. Not to mention a lot baltimore residents are blue collar and error on the side of violence too.

My friend lived in the same apartment building as janey(sp?) for the last couple years before the engagement and he always said she was a stuck up bitch.

[–]__ROOSTER__2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Some of the people here need to take the damn red pill. All you're doing is perpetuating bullshit by saying shit like "why she stays in an abusive relationship" calling her a "victim". When you rib a store and get shot you're not a victim. You have to be starting from innocence to claim that.

Take emotion out of this. Watch this with just the eye of studying violence and human interaction

I watched a video where person one slaps person two in the face.

They get in an elevator and person one tries to do something again, and person two being very fast, both stops it and then slaps person one in retaliation.

Then person two steps back , all the way across to the other side of the elevator.

Person one bows up and steps in on person two with the obvious intent to do violence to them.

Person two knocks person one out.

Person two has professional athlete level reflexes and strength. Person one doesn't.

[–]throwaway-sst0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You missed the part where Ray Rice spit in her face twice.

[–]__ROOSTER__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh that changes everything .....not

[–]BigDuke1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Okay, I'm new here. Ray Rice seems pretty damn beta to me. How did he ever let it get to this point where he had to "Defend" himself in an elevator? I think his own behavior and accommodation with this woman led him to that point. If he was managing his frame or had any frame at all it would have never happened.

[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are correct, but at the same time, you are basically saying that it's his fault for not having knowledge that is universally repressed. Imagine if every engineering school taught that wood is the best bridge building material, then some bridge gets destroyed in a fire, and people say "the engineer should have known to use steel instead". They wouldn't be wrong, but it's kind of missing the bigger problem.

[–]aesthetics4ever0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a great point. I am surprised so many on this sub keep overlooking proper frame control. Wasn't Jay-Z attacked in an elevator by his wife's sister recently? Yet, he didn't go berzerk.

The act of him punching a women is a horrible sight, but everyone else is completely ignoring how Ray Rice acts indifferent when his fiance is knocked out on the floor showing no remorse. Almost as if he is thinking, "how am I going to hide this body" instead of trying to make sure another human being was okay. That to me is more shocking than the punch.

[–]jrdnsln0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. A professional athlete? There's no way a woman is gonna get me to break frame whatsoever. If he truly wanted to knock her to her knees he should've walked away before getting in the elevator.

[–]DrakeSaint0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Quoting myself on a concerned feminist about Ray Rice drama that Chris Brown would be the musical guest of Jimmy Fallon:

He's perfect. Ray Rice's girlfriend will still clinge to him the same way Rihanna did with Chris after the beating and the media coverage on the case ceased.

I hate being so right sometimes.

[–]JamesK19730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually the feminazis should be ashamed of the hue and cry. Janae was being treated as an equal when she was punched in the face. It would hurt feminism to assert that you should treat a woman different than a man.

[–]huazanim0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In regards to Ray and the NFL... Am I the only one here... https://imgflip.com/i/c32sa

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Have you ever been to Baltimore?

I'm really not surprised.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey man don't diss Baltimore, were the shit.

[–]elchoma90-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't believe the people who defend Ray Rice. He shouldn't be banned for life, sure, but actually justifying provoking and knocking out a much smaller and weaker individual? WTF isn't matter with you? I don't know who started it since the video isn't long enough to show, but I have eyes and clearly see Ray escalating the situation until his wife loses it.

The people who defend Ray try to make it seem as if she attacked him for no reason. He spits on her once, she gives him a little slap. He spits on her face again inside the elevator, she slaps him and this is when shit gets serious: he immediately punches her and she loses composture and now rage takes over. Finally, Ray Rice gives her a punch strong enough to KO her. Yet somehow she's in the wrong for defending herself.

Make no mistake, it is SHE who is using self-defense, not him. Or do you really believe those little slaps are a serious attack? She's only trying to piss him off just as much as she's pissed off for being spit on.

That being said I think web shouldn't be talking about all this anymore. She didn't press charges. They married!! Now not only is she living with a woman-hitter (call me a white knight but you gotta be one big fagget to feel physically threatened by a woman) but also an unemployed one. No more NFL star. Now he's just another stereotypical black man. Don't be surprised if they divorce soon.



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