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Parenting - how are you equipping your kids for automation, AI, and uncertainty?

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February 13, 2019

A bit off topic, but there's quite a few self-aware, smart Dads here. As I've started owning my shit physically, professionally and mentally I have realized that I'm raising my kids (7b, 3g) in my image -- comfortable suburbanite focused on academics and athletics. I'm sure this has been a worry of fathers for 300 years; the world is changing at an unprecedented pace and I'm very worried I'm not adequately preparing my kids.

Automation & AI will push young, lower-SES male unemployment to > 20% over the next 20 years which is a recipe for revolution. General unemployment will skyrocket similarly. We can guess at the careers that will benefit (e.g. programming) and those that will cave (e.g. trucking), but there are obviously unknowables.

I'm trying to come up with a set of skills that we can slowly work on that will best position my children for any future. I realize that this is Parenting 101, but the tilt being the assumptions of our parents (college => family => happiness) will likely fail. This may seem like doomsday prep, which isn't quite right... more future-proofing. Any thoughts, critiques or additions are appreciated.

Physical: - Basic TRP, functional strength and general conditioning as a cornerstone of life - Martial arts, be capable of self-defense against untrained foes, reach a competent level

Education: - STEM * 1000 - in your studies focus on where the puck is going
- general understanding that school != the real world, life is hard and C's get you fired - tools of entrepreneurship - chase ideas, take risk while young (especially when family can provide necessities if/when you fail). There is freedom in being your own boss - sales - there is always a place for people who can facilitate mutual creation of value

- mental point of origin - you cannot rely on the government or anyone else to solve your problems
- basic survival skills - not sure how to define this, but probably something around being able to live disconnected from society for a sustained amount of time
- basic mechanical ability/maintenance

This initial list is lacking in specifics. If you have an specific thoughts, please share. E.g. "I work in higher education and think it's on the brink of collapse because of x, y and z -- my kids will not be going to a 4 year school unless it's free or I can easily pay 100% of their bills."

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Title Parenting - how are you equipping your kids for automation, AI, and uncertainty?
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Date 13 February 2019 03:51 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]helaughsinhidden12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

General unemployment will skyrocket similarly

No it won't or at least not for long.

Big Lots, K-mart, Shopko, Sears, and other big box retailers are closing hundreds of stores. I also see family restaurants like closing Baker's Square, Perkins, and Denny's closing locations all over the place. What are all those people to do?

Until about 200 to 150 years ago, the mining industry had remained the same for centuries. Enter a couple amazing intentions, namely dynamite, railroad, and the steam shovel. This lead to a huge leap in extracting natural resources from the ground, tunneling through mountains, and moving previously unimaginable amounts of materials across country in just weeks. No doubt that many miners thought they were done for!

Well, it didn't end up that way. Turns out that someone had had to drill the holes for the sticks to go into, operate the equipment, drive the train, build trains, lay track, and there was now a lot more material to process now too. Point is, things change. What ever will those people do? Learn new skills obviously. As one huge advancement occurs, all it really does is remove a previously labor intensive bottleneck. When this happens, some thing else becomes the new bottleneck.

STEM and medical research are working to remove bottlenecks in our lives.

Sales, support, and service are needed to keep pushing and maintaining technology and services.

General labor needs to be there to help when those who are busy don't have time to do basic tasks like cook, clean, run errands, etc.

Things have been changing. MOST of the top jobs right now didn't even exist when my father graduated high school, yet most of the jobs he saw were identical to when his grand father graduated high school.

Being teachable is probably the most important thing we can teach our kids.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

I’m definitely pushing STEM and getting them interested in it - engineer myself.

However, right now while they’re young, I’m focusing more on general concepts and winning mindsets. This shit isn’t taught in schools... but makes all the difference I believe.

The biggest one to learn is How To Teach Yourself. Of all the things I learned in engineering school, the most important thing I got out of it is “How to Learn”- it wasn’t any particular equation.. At this point in my life, I don’t need someone “teaching” me. It actually slows me up, just give me the god dam notes/books and shut the fuck up. I’ll teach myself.

The second thing is to trust the Law of Averages. Don’t let small disappointments rob you of future successes. Sometimes, things just don’t work out- It’s just the way it is. Don’t question it. But don’t quit - that’s what losers do- keep trying. In life, you only have to be right once to win. Keep trying, you will succeed as long as you don’t stop. There will be ups and downs, hills and valleys, but you need those as grip/foot hold points, as long as you keep improving, the overall trend will be up. You can’t climb a smooth mountain. Sometimes you’ll impress yourself and do better than expected, or the opposite, or somewhere in the middle. You have your baseline, but you can be on either side of it. It’s just he way it is. Learn from disappointments, but keep going. Most people will quit at the first sign of things not going their way. Trust in the law of averages. Don’t leave the field, keep sowing. You’ll succeed just by working the law of averages.

I don’t buy into the doom&gloom of the future. The world is abundant. It’s the most opportunistic and amazing time in history.

[–]ImNotSlash2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im trying to get my son into stem as well but he's more into arts and shit. I have a programming/data background and tried to show him all the different shit he could do; arduino, raspberry, make video games. He doesn't care. He likes expression. Ok then

[–]wrong_hole_lol[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The undertone of my original post is overstated, poor writing. There's a core of things everyone should be able to handle if the shit hits the fan and those are mainly what I outlined. The additions should be context like a lot of what you/others posted: skills to crush it. Fill in the gaps the system doesn't.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

All I pictured is the preacher from Footloose.

Push that hard and they’ll rebel.

[–]Redpillbrigade175 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

You risk over-thinking it. I’d focus more on universals. Like relationships, attitude and play.

What do I mean?

Importance of knowing people and providing value to people, staying connected, networking in right groups. More than what you’re networking about and the actual topic (you don’t know what will be relevant in 20 years). But social skills and who you know / who knows you are crucial.

Then learning how to learn is more important than what you learn. Develop life-long love of knowledge and learning as opposed to formulaic, blind, academic focused do this to get that, school ends when you graduate.

Games games games. Card games, social, board, computer, outdoorsy stuff. So much can be learned through playing games, plus kids love it and don’t even realize they’re learning.

Travel. Go show them the world. Instead of putting a lot in their college savings, put less and use $ now to open their minds about world culture.

Foreign languages. Good for the brain and may come in handy.

Something involving competition. Work hard to win at something. Learn how to lose without losing yourself. Learn it’s OK to fail. If you don’t fail you don’t learn.

Manage money. Start them early with a small allowance purely for purpose of them learning they have a few dollars to decide what to do with.

So all this stuff is more general. They can apply it to whatever field they choose / will be relevant in their future and lead a fulfilling life.

Ultimately if you’re true to what’s important to you, live your mission, then it won’t be that hard to shape your time with them and their lives into the same thing. Before too long if you’ve done a good job, they’ll develop their own missions, and perhaps be a mini-you in how they approach their own lives.

[–]slappysq0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

After spending years traveling, I have learned that the rest of the world is mostly shitty blue pill worthless cultures not worth visiting.

[–]RPeed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Weird: I’ve found the opposite. The pills are a North American phenomenon to me. Perhaps even truly Canadian.

There are parallels to other cultures but much is lost in translation.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

We have a years worth of MREs for four people.

Tons of guns and ammo.

Gas masks, bio suits.

Kids are both adept at shooting.

We are ready for when the drones start to attack.

Oh wait. I might be on the wrong reddit. Lol

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMod / Red Beret3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

We need a good prepping post.

[–]hystericalbonding4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Family Alpha posted on this a couple of years ago. It leads to the rabbit hole of /r/preppers, /r/bugout, and other paranoia.

[–]Kpwn882 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I might be on the wrong reddit

I don't see a problem here.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

comfortable suburbanite focused on academics and athletics.

Teach your kids by example to

  • question the consensus.

  • never blindly conform to society's norms, expectations, and values.

  • look for the hidden, selfish motives or biases behind society's, authorities', womens', bosses', parents', or anyone else's guidance and advice, and avoid being naively exploited.

  • always look for whether change has invalidated the old truisms or pathways to success of the previous generation, and to look for opportunity in doing something different.

  • look for opportunity in going against the crowd.

In a word, to seek and live in their own unique frame instead of adopting society's or anyone else's frame. Everything else will then fall into place.

[–]Reach180Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How will YOU prepare your kid for a world you don't understand? You do not understand your kid's future world, in the same way that your dad in the 1980s did not understand what 2019 would bring.

Sure, some smart dads of your generation might have pointed their kid in the right direction, and you wish that was done for you. But many, many more smart well meaning dads pointed their kids in terrible directions.

Whichever way you try to orient them, it's a gamble. Like picking individual stocks.

This isn't to say don't try...but the 'own your shit masculine dad' that has been born out of the manosphere is just a new variation of the over-involved parent.

Kids are not play doh. Genetics matter more than you think. And the fact that you have the capability to give a shit enough that you ask this type of question and think about this kind of thing is probably as good a sign as any that your kids will carry with them the kind of thoughtfulness that will lead them to be able to survive in the future.

FWIW, I tell all my kids to become public school teachers in medium sized communities. Summers off, early pensions, guaranteed pay increases to be unaccountable babysitters. Attach yourselves to our national religion and public will bend over backward throwing money at you. It won't last forever, but it will probably last through their generation. Don't let the propaganda fool you - educators live WELL.

[–]ChristoperRocafella2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

As an Economic Development Career Counselor here’s my advice :

  1. Learn the BASICS of Coding/Programming - there’s no escaping the fact that that is the language of the future- btw, this fear of AI is a reach. It’s definitely going to change things but it’s not as bad as people think it’s gonna be if they are prepared.... a simple $10 full stack programming class on udemy will give you a clearer view of all the possibilities of programming.....

  2. Hands on skills- Welding, CNC Machining, Plumbing , Mechanic work wtc..... Something that 1. Cant be outsourced 2. Your skill set/ license makes you an independent contractor even as an employee..... you can always feed yourself

  3. Creative art- Some sort of outlet of expression -

The future currency isn’t financial its skills based. Trade by skill barter.

Within the last year, i 1. Completed a full stack programming boot camp 2. Got a Commercial Class A Truck Driving License 3. Getting a Fire Protection Contractor License and 4. About to get a welding license..... and I work as a Recruiter in the Medical industry.

None of these things really have anything to do with each other but that’s purposely done.....

Think of it this way: the previous structure of the educational system was learn math, learn English , learn Spanish, Learn woodwork etc.... classes that had nothing to do with each other but gave you the basics of different disciplines ..... the future is instead of passing classes for the sake of a diploma.... each class you take MUST be directly connected to a License once completed..... no more “I passed the class” ..... nope.... “I got the license”

[–]RPeed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agree on your educational focus.

There are whole countries where education was based on a push into computer science, then the same jobs ended up outsourced due to a change in policy 20 years later. The one constant was that sinks kept getting blocked and in ten years nobody local could fix one.

So I lean to skills that will always remain valuable like communication, sales, project management. Oh, and plumbing.

"it's difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future.".

Personally I think martial arts can do more harm than good for the average person but it obviously works when done correctly. Quality teaching and sparring are key.

[–]Dialerstring1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I’m teaching both my kids the importance of financial management to include saving and budgeting money.

They read a new book every month but every other month I’ll choose the book and will pay them if they finish it within two weeks. That money is split between savings and spending.

I think Martial Arts is important as well or some competitive team building commitment. My Son 9 was a Cub Scout but I took him out because all the Den Leader were women; and the males were BP. It’s not the same.

Also I’m cautious of what I listen to on the radio with my kids. I would rather my Daughter ask me questions about Trump and Obama than to sing along to Carty B.

Luckily my kids are in a school that support STEM and me being a Network Engineer makes it all the better.

[–]Reach180Red Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Daughter ask me questions about Trump and Obama than to sing along to Carty B.

Even if you think it sucks and has a bad message, art engages a useful part of the brain.

As far as I can tell, talking politics does not.

[–]Dialerstring0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Echo and I couldn’t agree more that art engages a useful part of the brain.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Carty B = art ?


If you had referenced an actual art from- or an artist or musician... I’d agree with you. Nothing about that shit is real. Teams of people behind the scene created that persona and then marketed it to the masses in order to make $$$$

Called Pimping the dumb-down masses.

[–]Reach180Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Teams of people behind the scene created that persona - to put in front of the masses in order to make $.

This is universally true about popular culture.

"Art" is not a value judgement.

[–]Kpwn881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a perfect post for me to shill for Mindweapons in Ragnarok He speaks a lot about how to overcome the odds and make you and your progeny invaluable in a system hellbent on your destruction. He covers the importance of STEM, agriculture, health & fitness, and the need for competence in the future technocracy. I'm sure many here will enjoy it.

[–]hystericalbonding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Foster self-efficacy. Don't do things that lead to learned helplessness.

[–]thunderbeyond0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a fair question. Some jobs are definitely more likely to become automated than others. There have been studies into it and occupations like driving are very easily automated.

But like others ITT have said... I lived through the era of factory automation where "robots will take our jobs". It was never a deep or quick social change, and the world coped. Likewise where we are now where I sit in meetings and we ask "how will AI change our workplace?"

Personally I have 2 boys and I am raising them to be the boys they are. One is very personable, the other very STEM. But they can both talk to people, know stuff and get along.

They will both do well as in the end it's the lifeskills you have that get you through.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Value, leverage, ROI, and scalability in business.

Those are my four goals in terms of education.

The foundation of those goals being sociology, psychology, truth, integrity, and relationships.

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Automation and A-fucking-I?! Stop your mental masturbation. Machines are not coming for our jobs. Automaton is for burger flippers. AI is grunt work analysis with visualized results.

When I say “our” I mean myself and others that can think and make high performance decisions.

I’m(47) divorced with two kids; 12 & 15. Peak SMV. Earn a bit over $130K. Technical recruiter. I’ve been the head coach for my kid’s sports team about 12 teams now. I know how to lead and they know what a leader looks like because they compare them to me. I come from a High Income Earning father that owned his own business for most of my youth. GF(33) of 2yrs is successful HB9, also in sales. Comes with her own house she paid for and a daughter(12). GF and I both work remote with very flexible work schedules. With our spare time, we like to travel or spend all weekend in bed.

College today is for closers. If you’re getting a shitty Liberal Arts degree, say hello to being in debt and living paycheck to paycheck. My kids will go to college for some form of critical degree IF they’re ready. I won’t be paying for it. I will help them get scholarships or grants as well as direct them with job hunting or starting a business. At this moment, my 15yr old daughter has more business acumen than many of the adults I work with or around. As a Freshman in HS I’m basically on maintenance training skills with her. My 12yr old son could write the book on Stoicism or some aspects of frame. The lucky bastard will be walking into HS w/ a major reputations and an older sister that’s a Senior with lots of friends that love this kid.

How to raise our kids to be leaders? If you can successfully accomplish any TWO of the following, you won’t need to worry about automation or AI unless that’s the business decision you’re making for the company you run.

Accountability. Teach them about consequences for their actions and consistent behavior within guidelines. Don’t just think punishment; think about reward and success.

Show them what you do each day with relationships, finances, decisions, & planning. Tell them what you know. Tell them what you don’t know. Ask what they think and help them understand both options. I suggest starting this when they are in Elementary School. That time period is a shit show. My kids were heads and shoulders above the rest. I knew because I was coaching those kids or volunteering at the school and saw on the regular the kind of bullshit other parents were putting out.

Let them fail and re-start with nothing. Without failure, there is NO learning. This will familiarize them with the bottom and make it a less fearful place when they end up there in the future.

Put them in charge of tasks that are above their pay grade. For instance, my 6th grade son likes responsibility. We live within walking distance to the grocery store and I’ve been sending him alone to shop occasionally. We talk about foods and budget and how to control costs. Sometimes I don’t send him with enough money and he has to learn how to solve on his own. The other day he brought home the deli meat and the Jelly, but not the bread. We had a real life lesson about how to make sandwiches without the bread.

Catch them doing the RIGHT things. Any terrible manage can pint out all the problems, but a truly great coach will point out the nuances of brilliance in what they do.

Socialize them and talk about people. They’ll need to know how to lead the rest of these dumb asses they’ll grow up with. Might as well start learning from 3rd grade forward.

Respect. My daughter lady said “No!” to me (and meant it) when she was 3yrs old. The hair on the back of my neck stood up and I felt like a volcano would erupt, but instead I turned and smiled and said “honey, we don’t say No to Daddy. But you can say “no thank you” if you would like to present a counter-offer”. You should see their faces when some of the other soccer or baseball players or wrestlers would say “No” to me. LOL. If you can hold respect by being worthy of respect, they’ll never learn to appreciate your leadership.

[–]wrong_hole_lol[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're missing the point in your first paragraph. Class unrest will be exacerbated as "burger flipping" jobs go bye bye. Within the range of outcomes there's a potential tipping point of unemployment that leads to legitimate revolution. It's obviously not likely, but it's not far fetched.

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re close, but still missing the point. There will also always be entry-level, low skill jobs. Those jobs just won’t be the same ones we had in 2004. People will actually need to do different, learnable, basic skills.

There will be no revolution of unemployed people that successfully demand higher wages. Liberal fallacy fantasy.

[–]Acerp3210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The answer is fucking obvious. You’ve predicted the future. Just invest in AI and be richer than Bill Gates. Done.

I never waste time on people predicting the future.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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