Physically handsome guys. Do you notice girls are more friendly/assertive to your less attractive friends than you? Or do they throw themselves at you like people would think?

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February 10, 2019
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When im out with some bros, as a physically attractive and very well dressed guy, I notice girls throw themselves at guys I’m with rather than me, even when the guy is extremely lower smv than I am. I feel like they’re just too intimidated by me to approach so they are displaying availability through different ways. Are they doing this to gain my attention, or am I just egotistical and overthinking this?


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Title Physically handsome guys. Do you notice girls are more friendly/assertive to your less attractive friends than you? Or do they throw themselves at you like people would think?
Author fuckboychadlmao
Upvotes 131
Comments 150
Date 10 February 2019 08:29 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 173 points174 points  (10 children) | Copy

they're just too intimidated by me to approach

Idk man, I might be completely wrong but I have a feeling you might not have a good idea of who is actually the most attractive in your group.

[–]jackandjill2262 points63 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone said it, thank you.

/thread

[–]SalporinRP27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's possible. But OP is also just seemingly waiting on girls to approach him instead of taking the initiative himself.

[–]TacoMedic13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

That in itself is attraction. It won't matter if you're built like a Greek god if all you're doing is sitting in a corner.

[–]SalporinRP11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh I don't disagree I'm just saying it's very possible OP is the best-looking out of his entire friend group but isn't getting as much pussy because he doesn't approach.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fair response but I don’t think so. There’s another factor at play here.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thought the same thing when I read that line in his post too.. "Intimidated" don't compliment yourself like that haha when people say stuff like this it's grasping at straws to figure out why he isn't getting any.

[–]HumbleTrees1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

/thread

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[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lmfao!

[–]fuckboychadlmao[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well, the guy with me that was getting the most approaches was 5’6 and easily no higher than a 3/10 in looks (with all due respect to him). Chicks gravitated to him that night but the guy is pretty much an incel in regular life. I’m 6’4 and get iois regularly and can usually attract 8/10s but like I said, they’re usually hesitant to approach me. I didn’t make this post to blow smoke up my ass.

[–]maxofreddit4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The one thing women hate more than anything is getting rejected. It fucks with their ENTIRE world view/social hierarchy & power structure.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are, indeed, the most attractive guy in your group, you’re raising the SMV of all the guys in your group. If your buddy is 3/10, he’s chilling with you, an 8/10, so that bumps him up to 4, or maybe even 5 in a girls mind. A girl won’t risk being rejected by you, but she’ll grab your friend because he’s a sure thing.

Basically, you have to approach. They will not risk being rejected.

[–]TheGoldenLeprechaun28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

How to know;

They will:

  • eye fuck you while having bullshit conversations with your uglier friends.

  • try and shit test you to get your attention during group conversations.

  • attempt to play match maker and get your info.

  • conveniently find themselves in isolated one on one situations with you.

Alternatives. You are actually delusional and ugly af, maybe average at best. Or you look like a super model in which case, yeah most will be intimidated and it's best to approach the one u want first so your friends don't feel like shit when the game is on.

[–]FuckboyAWALT141 points142 points  (35 children) | Copy

Start smiling more.

But yeah sometimes girls are too intimidated by your presence. However once they sense you are interesting and not dangerous, they will leave your less attractive friends and throw themselves at you.

[–]Mescalean42 points43 points  (25 children) | Copy

This. Working on it myself. 6’1” 205 and pretty jacked. Decent in the face. Got my moms “greek” nose. Tan easily from the basque iberian genetics. Could have got dads blue eyes but whatever. Can’t always get a royal flush ya know?

But grew up with a father who drilled “why are you smiling like a fucking retard” into my head. Hate smiling. Grew up with peers where smiling was reason enough to make you the target of getting shit. Never happened to me thanks to dad but saw other kids get picked on as goobers.

I have noticed a gigantic difference when I smile and don’t smile. HUGE. And this isn’t even a “show your teeth” a closed curl of the lips is all. Maybe I have the male equivalent of resting bitchface? Working on it.

[–]chomponthebit6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Please smile whenever you’re around your dad. Every time you’re around your dad. Especially on his death bed.

I hate it when parents are shitty people

[–]Mescalean9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Id reserve that judgment. Far from a shitty parent. Before we “moved on up” it was south phx... not a place you want to smile at strangers or put off any sign of “weakness” or standing out.

The man may have been a little rough around the edges. Fat shaming both of us brothers into fitness. He had his reasons though. Mom did not help. At 27 i now get why he did so much of what he did. My nickname was Michelin man. Get it? The tires were my rolls? Ya..

Like I said. Not perfect. But I wonder what I would be like given certain circumstances. Had I had parents particularly a dad who was billy beta and soft as shit on me. I really wonder man. Because I see some of my peers and holy shit. What is a man anymore? Like really.

[–]HurricaneHugues1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"My nickname was Michelin man. Get it? The tires were my rolls? Ya.."

Lmao

[–]renfsu1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I actually do have rbf, I've been told by everyone in my group, trying to work on it since I don't want to come off as an angry guy to people

[–]Mescalean2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ive heard this before. “Why are you sad/mad”

Im not im just here. But k

[–]HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did you grow up in a coal mine?

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Are you saying Greek nose is a good thing? I’ve got what’s considered a Greek nose but I don’t see it as a good thing.

I def have the testing bitch face. Couple of women have mentioned that I have the man’s equivalence of a resting bitch face.

[–]jbpostv18 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy

This could be a whole post unto itself. 6’0” 180 lbs lean, broad frame,very dense short beard and handsome face. I’ve been told some women find my confidence “intimidating” and that I’m “assertive”. Im often the leader in a group setting but can tend to be domineering and bulldoze the unexpressed input of submissive people.

All of these things are great during seduction and sex but when you’re first meeting a girl she wants to know first and foremost you mean no harm, can carry a positive conversation and make her feel comfortable.

I have some depression and emotional detachment from some parts of my life and some adhd aggressive tendencies so without a smiley social mask and a little fear of coming across as beta I look like a dead eyed murderer. Don’t be afraid to smile or look happy even if it feels feminine guys.

[–]Gobraves441 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

“Handsome face”

All girls care about

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Eh, not really. I'd rather be 6'4 with an average face than under 5'7 with a nice one.

[–]ElementArrow 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I think both could sling the same amount depending on location

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree. I'd rather be taller than shorter even without regards to dating tho

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can you pm some face pic

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think smiling is beta as fuck, if it was a male trait women wouldn't use it for seduction.

[–]jbpostv1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree but not entirely. I brood more during close. It’s not useful to smile intentionally to portray happiness but during seduction but it’s still important to grin to show confidence. Smiling during building attraction and rapport is totally normal. But if you don’t think so, enjoy never being happy when you’re with women. I don’t think you should laugh or show any emotion either, chicks love miserable men with chips on their shoulder and no range of expression like you.

[–]asdffdsa90 1 points [recovered]  (47 children) | Copy

I went from slightly fat but looking well to 8% jacked with 8 pack (yes steroids) and I can tell you it doesn't matter if you don't show confidence. Nothing will change if you do not approach girls. If you are still shy and have a hard time making strong eye contact girls wills sense there is something wrong

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (34 children) | Copy

This, did the same transformation with steroids (like top tier 1% body) and it does not matter for one bit if you dont have the same confidence to back up your appearance. I was a bit insecure and shy at first with that body still and girls just sensed there was something wrong and rather talk to the 110lbs skinny nerd or 280lbs fatty than me because they exuded more confidence or were much more interesting in various ways. Physical appearance literally does not do shit if you still have signs of insecureness.

[–]Mescalean25 points26 points  (10 children) | Copy

They smell weakness like hounds man. Currently working on the smiling shit myself. Curling 60’s and pressing 100’s doesnt mean shit if I avoid eye contact or come off as shy.

And if it did. Chances are the girl wouldn’t be into the “shy” factor for ant altruistic purpose. Most likely easy to manipulate.

Smiling is literally making the difference for me in that, when I didnt women usually had a “warm up” period when getting to know me.

Now it takes 15-20 minutes of convo if trying to close.

This needs to be drilled into more peoples heads man. Wish i started when i was 16

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

They smell weakness like hounds man. Currently working on the smiling shit myself. Curling 60’s and pressing 100’s doesnt mean shit if I avoid eye contact or come off as shy.

No kidding, it even feels unreal at times how good women are at sensing weakness/fake alpha. Smiling is super important. I thought i could benefit from my stern "dont fuck with me" natural resting facial expression looks with my top tier body but nope, does not work for shit. Smiling has yielded me 100x better results. Smiling is a sign of abundance, having your shit together, outcome independence, openness, good vibes etc. Real alphas smile a shit ton. Fake alphas/insecure ones try to look intimidating/threathening/rough or dangerous.

[–]Mescalean12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Bingo. Abundance. Hard not to smile for most when bills are paid and living a happy plentiful existence.

Very true

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's it. They know this shit too. They know a guy who is on top of his game is going to be happy.

Her mindset "If he is smilling he must have some good shit going for him... so let's go find that."

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Noticed this too. It's almost like they can read your mind. They are master body language readers, they just sense all this shit. Female intuition is powerful stuff.

Also, for sure with smiling. Doing the whole "tough guy" anger look doesn't work for shit. Look at Trump the guy smiles a lot, say what you will of his politics but the guy is abundance.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

They can fucking read your soul and mental state from just looking at you.

I think you give them too much credit. Odds are you are just really transparent.

[–]wildtimes39 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Neither of you are wrong, I think.

Anybody can see someone else having a good time… That’s what they are instinctively looking for.

[–]resnine3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You hit so many points on that, sums me up. Been a shy dude all my life, hard for me to walk up to strangers. More difficult for me to talk to women, particularly attractive ones. You are right, they know that the "shy" factor is easy for other men and women to manipulate. It's a weakness, and by being shy you basically become an easy target for guys who don't follow by those same "shy rules". They will use it to their advantage and damage you to make themselves look good in front of their girls. Especially if you are bigger. Usually shy guys dont defend themselves, maybe suffers from self-esteem/self-respect issues.

[–]Mescalean0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You get it

[–]AceMav21 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Bro I look Jeff Seid in the face not the body though gained 10 pounds of muscle in 2 1/2 months and cut to 10% bf naturally. Congruent muscle insertions on my abs caged obliques and 4 going on 6 pack. And brah I've been legit gymceling. It's crazy what an xbox fostered around a single mother can cause. PM me

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Gymcel is a legit thing which blew my mind, I couldn't believe it. Your family upbrining/conditioning is probably the most important factor here. Skinny and fat dudes who had a good upbringing with positive conditioning are going to yield 100x better results than an anti-social gym nut. In fact, there is certainly a point where the muscles become extreme and just feeling threatening to a lot of girls.

[–]red2hilt0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy

top tier 1% body ... girls just sensed there was something wrong and rather talk to the 110lbs skinny nerd or 280lbs fatty than me because they exuded more confidence or were much more interesting in various ways.

This doesn't really match what I read everywhere else so I'm going to ask this: how tall are you? (My guess is like 5'3" or something, like something most people would call "short".)

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (15 children) | Copy

Trust me, i've obsessed with this phenomenon and I went from being an extreme skinnynerd to super ripped with help of intense training, eating and steroids over 2 years. I'm not super tall but not short either 5'11". A fat 5'8" 280lbs nerd who smiles/exudes confidence will EASILY take a girls interest from me if i'm showing small signs of insecureness that doesn't match my physique.

[–]red2hilt1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy

5'11" is absolutely fine. I'm extremely surprised that you got ripped without having women do all the work including coming up to you, inviting you out, giving you their number, basically doing 100% of everything while you just stand there and say OK.

if you have a picture of your body without face you could share (via PM also OK), but I believe you about how ripped you got. fascinating info, thanks.

[–]wildtimes35 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn’t go that far with bodybuilding, but it sounds plausible. If you trip over your words and can’t string a sentence together around a beautiful woman, abs won’t get you laid. If they do, in most situations red red flag.

Sure she’ll come up and grab your arm and offer you an opportunity to get her number. Closing still takes being able to close.

In some ways it’s a hard transition. A low SMV guy can go to the top of the market place in just a couple years. With 7.5’s and up the game is sharper and more brutal. They’ve been playing the game their whole life. Any action before that was just luck. Now that the intros are easier there’s a reason to get good at it.

But first you have to throw away 15 years of bad habits. That takes a little longer than a weekend.

[–]AceMav210 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It really boils down to show a woman an aesthetic physique and she'll love it. Show her social status and examples of a 6 figure income that'll trump aesthetics every time.

[–]red2hilt0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

examples of a 6 figure income

isn't that beta buxx though?

[–]AceMav210 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Stfu cunt get fucking shredded man

[–]AceMav210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Reps reps 15 or better son

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

I can tell you why though, I have the body of a real alpha but that first year I was a porn addict still and i had a really hard time keeping eye contact and also I exuded desperation and needyness. Like within 15 seconds of talking to a girl they'd lose interest and feel really uncomfortable 9 out of 10 times. I got rid of porn addiction and started smiling more and exuded more idgaf attitude and suddenly BOOM girls are giggling at literally everything , touching arms, complimenting etc

[–]red2hilt0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

did you give up porn entirely? also after this point "BOOM girls are giggling at literally everything , touching arms, complimenting etc" did you actually take them home at all? (I mean were they just being friendly since you were being friendly. was it sexual - did you get with them?)

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

No i didnt take home girls for some time but then i started to because i felt i could "afford" rejection since i'd have all those IOIs to look back at for self validation so i dont see rejection as "its over no girl will ever want me ill just kill myself" but instead making it easier to shrug it away and be more "ok lets try another one"

[–]red2hilt0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

so when did you start taking girls home? I feel like I'm missing a step here as you related your journey. I get it, that girls started smiling at you, touching your arm etc. (after you got built + got some confidence.) And then?

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I started approaching really "safe" targets when out dancing (i'm a pretty good dancer so I pull like a madman there but I was still autistic in conversation, did not matter much though when it was 4-5/10 30+'ers I safepulled at the beginning. I was still scared of rejection internally (fear of being made a fool has been a greater fear than death itself to me for many years) so I took it really slow. I still get crystal clear IOI's from a lot higher SMV than what I actually pull home, unfortunatly. I'm trying to break mental barriers down.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

NoFap + Smiling + Idgaf attitude = girls. There you have it folks.

[–]_teh_overloard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

5'11" is absolutely fine. I'm extremely surprised that you got ripped without having women do all the work including coming up to you, inviting you out, giving you their number, basically doing 100% of everything while you just stand there and say OK.

reviving old thread because im curious about this. Im consistently in the top 20% or better bodies in the room, and have seen what you describe but only to my friends. At what point is there a turning point between getting approached and not? Am 5'11 155 lb lean, currently bulking up to 175. Not yoked but not small either.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Therapy dude. You have some deep insecuritires and inhibitions hindering you and most likely holding you back from reaching a lot of your potential. Good face and low inhib guys are the dudes I see getting the most women, not super muscular guys with some game "lines".

[–]thesnowman172 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What u read everywhere else is bullshit, if he was 6 4 with 0 confidence it wouldn’t matter. All that good stuff only comes online w confidence.

[–]red2hilt1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

guess so. guy answered, 5'11", which certainly isn't any disadvantage. based on what other people have said I'm confused he didn't have girls give them their number and so on

[–]thesnowman172 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It goes like this lol 5’3 with 0 confidence is the same disadvantage as 6’4 w 0 confidence. But if they both gained 10 percent confidence, the 6’4 guy would benefit more off of it.

But most people who are getting 0 girls would still be getting 0 girls no matter what changed. Once u know how to get girls , improving ur smv will benefit the quality and quantity,

[–]red2hilt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

got it, agree & thx

[–]EdvardMunch 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy

I wanna add if you are jacked and attractive and lack confidence youll more so put people off because itll be assumed something is seriously off. I mean I get uncomfortable at good looking dudes who have an aura of creep about them.

Girls can be hot and have insecurities but as a guy you cant. In fact normal to high confidence is almost a necessity for men.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

How is it even possible to be jacked and attractive and not have confidence

[–]EdvardMunch 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

Because you might be smart enough to know that confidence off looks is an unstable core. If it happens to fade you lose it. Confidence beyond all might seem impractical and it is but that is the goal.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I could see that, the smarter you are the more realistic you are about confidence. I don't think I am super smart but smart enough. Although, I am extremely realistic and practical at times, to a fault. I hyper-analyze everything I do, all my failures and all my successes. I legit have friends who have accomplished WAY less than me (not knocking them, just the way it is) and have more body fat, crappy diet, poor work-ethic, awful lifestyle, you name it. It doesn't matter, some of my friends are just WAY more confident in themselves than I am and I think it stems from how realistic/practical I am. They make that leap of "Idc what anyone says, I am a beast! the best!", they have amazing self-image and high self-esteem and it shows. Doesn't matter have many more accomplishments, degrees, muscles you have unless you have your psychological state on point.

[–]EdvardMunch 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah its kind of a hyperawareness and if its usually critical in nature its hard not to bend every moment in your reality to negativity. "Oh shes cute but has money and wouldnt go for me because im poor" could be true but doesn't mean it is the truth because you had that thought. Knowing this and living differently is difficult. Better off being too blunted than to have complex critical thoughts all the time. That said smoking often helps me not sweat stupid paranoia more than one would think.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Hyperawareness is what I have a lot of the time. Always feel on-guard. Might be an ancestral thing. A survival trait of my ancestors, constantly feeling like I am in fight or flight. Kept them alive but it's not a practical gene in modern life because the same threats don't exist anymore. Then again, it could be the environment/conditioning I've been in, hasn't been stable at all, quite rocky in fact. My mantra has always been "better safe than sorry". I am personally against any kind of drug-use and alcohol consummation.

[–]EdvardMunch 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

If you're not getting challenged I think you start challenging things that maybe are better left alone.

Better safe than sorry is safe but it is helpful to take a few reasonable risk. Life will give you sorry no matter how safe you try Ive learned. Yeah I understand. If im not smoking i almost am too productive with nowhere to channel it. I hate seeing my abilities wasted because im not in a position of power.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Just like NoFap, the real benefit isn't really the no fapping part it's breaking the habit of dopamine addiction and getting your TIME and LIFE back. I am of the camp of people who wants to be in total control of my consciousness. I don't like the feeling of letting go of my awareness. I know it's black and white thinking, I've just seen too many people make that whole PotHead™️ a lifestyle and in-fuse it into their personalities, same with alcohol. I need to take more risks, no one gets ahead by just playing it safe and by the rules. That's how people get trapped and I know it.

[–]EdvardMunch 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I get that. I guess for me im worse off currently without it. I am too critical of everything to fully operate in total awareness. I have a sharp eye and mind and constantly saying "ohhh its fine, oh this impractical decision is okay, oh a stupid haircut is fine" i like to do everything I can to the best and its a nightmare for me and others. Now if I was wealthy itd be fine but at what cost to get there. Pot keeps me at similar tolerance to most peoples bs. Maybe im awful. Ive been a student of life, pulled back the curtain, I can hypnotize and seduce people because I know how and recognize the mechanics while they're happening. Its hell to know things others are blissfully unaware of. And in todays times unnecessary. I probably can go pot free but it would take medication still likely. Im one depressed motherfucker when clean.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What is this aura of creep you speak of?

[–]TheTastelessBatman17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yup. I get ignored all the time lol. Even my balding mate gets more attention than me. Apparently, even my employees say that I look very scary to approach since I naturally have a "serious, don't fuck with me" face.

The only time when girls hit on me is when we are in a group hangout and I tend to crack jokes, tease and smile. Or when I am smiling at a joke my mate cracked and am just looking about the club while smiling. I guess we need to smile more often?

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dam. What kind of plates is your balding mate pulling in!

[–]jbpostv14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I notice that most girls are actually rather nervous to talk to me and I think it comes from this place of not being sure I would approve of them because of my looks. I also have testing hard ass face which girls consider hot but unapproachable and unfriendly. I fix it by being more friendly in conversations than I assume is necessary because if not I’d be rude af. I feel like they’re more friendly to my less attractive friends because they definitely do not see me as a friend, just like you’d blush and be intimidated by a hot girl.

[–]OfficerWade30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

They call me the better looking one. But I’ve heard from women it makes them less likely to approach me because I’m probably doing pretty well for myself without their help. Go figure.

[–]SeasonedRP6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't put too much stock in what women say.

[–]volvostupidshit9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Their hamsters really think they can help the man they are going to be with. smh

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm good looking and smile a lot, as I've aged my confidence is rock solid, women never give me any trouble now.

Except sometimes when I'm hanging out with my super low SMV friends, then I have a pretty hard time aha

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lmfao I have a few super low smv friends that fuck my game up every single time.

[–]trp36932 points33 points  (4 children) | Copy

No not really. The only consistent time a girl isn’t very nice to me is when they are pretty ugly. For some reason ugly girls have started full on hating me since I improved my attractiveness.

Other than that if I go out in my group not to sound full of myself but if we’re all walking through a club the girls will be making eye contact with me, every hour or so in the club a girl will just stare at me and come imitate conversation or just grab me. This wouldn’t happen to guys less attractive even in their dreams

[–]JSuma9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

ugly girls really do shit test the hardest right

[–]abdout772 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How did you improve your attractiveness other than lifting ?

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only ugly girls give me looks... fuck

[–]Auphor_Phaksache11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes I get ignored. Whats more annoying are people who think because I'm in their vicinity I should automatically speak to them. I'll take the ignores.

[–]fuckboychadlmao[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good looks are only a force multiplier on game. If you have no game, then zero times anything is zero.

[–]thechadyouwannabe5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah that doesn’t happen to me, maybe your friends aren’t as “low SMV” as you think they are, or you need to be better at socializing.

[–]AshyLarry274 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Just because women tend to want to "aim higher" when dating/fucking, doesn't mean they just throw themselves at your because you look like Ryan Reynolds or Gosling. I've noticed when I am more social, but reserved in my "approval" of girls, they will talk to me.

Part of it is indeed how you are perceived. If you have good looks, but you look serious or just socially awkward, you're nothing to them. You have to realize looks are not your SMV, the WHOLE PACKAGE of you is your SMV. Revisit a lot of these moments in your head. Did you ever START a conversation, or did you feel entitled to their attention because "look at me, I am hot meat."? Do you hold frame? Are you natural in your conversations or overthinking ways to "be and sound alpha."? Good looks won't overcome any of these issues unless you want to take home 2's and 3's

[–]stedi-akk 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Good look will improve confidence a lot. It is absolute necessity for men who have problems with it.

[–]AshyLarry270 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Looks matter, but can be fixed with lifting and dieting. Even then, there will be a ceiling for most men as genetics and other factors come into play to be a 10/10. When you tie yourself to your looks, you make things worse. You're confidence needs to come from YOU, not because you have a six pack or muscles, those things are just a bonus.

[–]stedi-akk 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Nah. If a person has insecurities because of looks, then he should fix these insecurities. And by doing this, he improves. He becomes more confident. It is not about looking 10/10 (which is impossible), it is about being better.

Looks is not just a bonus. It is one of the most important things which every men should improve. And it is not just about girls. Looks fucking matter in many aspects of life.

[–]AshyLarry270 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. You fix those "insecurities."

I am not advocating if you walk around looking like garbage that you just "be okay" with that. What I am saying is if your mental make up is "I look good then I should have girls just crawling on me without me having to lift a finger," then you have a lot of learning to do.

The big misconception around here is if you don't have the looks, you're nothing. I have seen plenty of average and below average looking guys pull girls because of their confidence and their frame. This isn't to say stay ugly, it's pointing out a reality. SMV isn't JUST looks, its everything discussed in TRP, and yes Frame and Confidence are above looks. The simple fact that this "good looking" OP needs to come to TRP because his looks by themselves are not enough basically says it all. Now does this mean you put down the weights and pick up a cheese burger? No, you always aim to improve.

[–]Sphairos2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

When I'm out with the guys, there are usually 1 or 2 who are better looking than me and are physically better developed, better dressed, etc.. I'm kinda reserved and go about my fun quietly. They've noticed I get all the "I really like you" *grabs arm* business. I don't think they get it. They work hard to be attractive, grind all night to keep a girl. I just go have a laugh and don't really care about the rest. I think it pays off for me.

It probably isn't your intimidation factor because far too often I get comments about being scary or intimidating through not expressing much. Maybe you're too conscious of status and they can feel it which makes it all kind of awkward.

One thing I do notice is the girls who do this with me I've usually already let into my world by taking them for a dance or saying something short in the smoking area. They won't just open up unless I let them know it's okay

[–]_m_rafay0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe you're more attractive than your friends

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Happens to me too, I ended up thinking that some of these girls are using this to get to me. I caught one gawking at me the other day, yet I had always noticed that she completely ignores my presence. I think some of them do this intentionally to give an impression that they have higher SMV and are not intimidated by you, but they kinda come off as assholes when they do this.

[–]jbpostv1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Totally agree with you dude. Caught this chick checking me out remorselessly several times in the same room. Approaches me with her friend while I’m in a group I say something then completely cold shoulder her. 3 days later I sit next to her just because we know each other and she tells me “we need to be sitting in our groups” “oh I didn’t know I can’t find my group” “also I don’t want to sit with you” and laughing with her friend. Some clueless girls shit test and play hard to get when you’re not even going after them. She’s not attractive and had NO chance to begin with.

[–]classylassy283 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Or she literally does not like you lol.

[–]jbpostv0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely possible but I’ve had situations where girls have been bitchy, rude and disinterested then ended up hooking up with them. It’s a toss up

[–]JSuma2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes people are very intimidated, including other guys. If you catch girls glancing at you for even a split second youre in but only the boldest or horniest will hold eye contact, it's on you to approach everybody. Assume everyone's attracted and wants you to like them. You can escalate ridiculously fast and tease hard.

Everyone has really high expectations for you, rationalizing you already have all the pussy and attention you need. Your mannerism needs to live up to this hype. Smile and hold eye contact. Invite people in. You'll get shit tested a lot especially from guys, frame is everything.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Ooo. Dat part. I’ve got some women that I don’t approach. But I see them regularly at the gym. Some days they’ll eye rape me. Other days they’ll completely ignore me.

[–]EncouragementRobot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Happy Cake Day ChadTheWaiter100! You're off to Great Places! Today is your day! Your mountain is waiting, So... get on your way!

[–]SenorSwole3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Girls throw themselves at attractive men

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And attractive goes beyond physique.

[–]t_jones7300 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No they don’t. It takes less effort for attractive men once they apply that effort. They still have to try

[–]SenorSwole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

High SMV is what I should have said. But they do. Just look at any celebrity females consider hot

[–]hot_soup191 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women need the greenlight. If they think they have the greenlight and like you they're borderline unbearable

[–]MrFiles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is alot of guessing. A veteran would need to actually see the situation to tell. Multiple things the first one I said is maybe your buddies are just more fun and loose than you are. Relax and don't be uptight. If you're honest with yourself and that's not it.

Another reason is women like to be covert and hard to get so they are triangulation you. By getting with your buddy they get your attention and try to make you jealous so that you will chase.

Another reason you're looks don't really matter to be honest. If your buddies got more game but don't look as good. 9/10 they bring home the girl.

Watch rsd and go out and field test

[–]ReturnsOver 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

You're not completely wrong

I used to get approached by girls more than I do now when I was 125lbs at 5'8 soaking wet. I had girls being more upfront with me and making the moves and telling me they like me etc

Then I cleaned my shit up, now weight 175 @ 5'8 @ ~12% body fat. Changed my wardrobe, my hairstyle, have a nice styled beard going, deeper voice, not a bitch anymore and yet, I was getting less action than when I was basically anorexic.

Took me a while to make the conclusion that I was acting like a girl, looked less like a man and so... I was attracting more masculine energized girls. They looked like girls don't get me wrong, no pixie cuts or butch girls, but their personalities were in hindsight more boy-ish

It's a catch-22 where now that I looked basically as manly and masculine as I can, girls NEVER make it obvious.

I get 20x more side glances walking around, and in retrospect girls have made very subtle but obvious hints implying I should make a move, and made it very obvious for me to make a move but are not the ones doing the work anymore.

These girls are extremely girly and feminine now however.

So it's a trade off, they could very well be intimidated.

The only thing a person can be sure of is their own actions, so in a way it's a blessing in disguise to now be forced to be the one to make the move. Forces the taking of ownership of one's life

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This happened to me too

[–]Sonny_Luna1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

girls throw themselves at guys I’m with rather than me

I think you're probably incorrect in your estimation of the SMV of you and your friends. If girl would rather fuck your friends, their SMV is higher than yours.

I feel like they’re just too intimidated by me to approach

I really doubt that's the case. You seem to not have a very accurate perception of what women are attracted to or your level of attractiveness. It's reminiscent of the way nice guys see themselves as a catch just because they're nice.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Might have more to do with the energy/aura you are projected than their appearance. That's at least part of it.

[–]Administrative_Worth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is going to be brutal, but worth it. Most guys over value their looks. I used to too. I used to to a major degree. By definition most guys are average looking, or a bit above average or a bit below average. It's not a sliding scale of 10% of people are 1/10, 10% of people are 10/10. it's more like 40% of people are average looking. 25% of people are above average or below average either way to get a final result of about 90%. Then the remaining 10%. 5% are very bad looking, 5% are great looking. Remember genetic and primal nature, loo up anthropology. Women throughout history before enforced monogamy mated with the top 8% of guys exclusively. That means you have to be on that top end of male attractiveness for sex just to be easy. Male attractiveness, is Face, face is king. Ask any girl. You preferably ant to be in the 10-13% body fat range to highlight your face while maintaining your T levels. And hair is a part of face. So logn as it makes the face look good. It frames it. Frame matters, but maybe half as much as face. Yu can have excellent broad shoulders, large rib cage, you can admire it in the mirror, but if you avoid looking at your face, you're in trouble unless she's drunk and is only processing general information vs scrutinising facial looks which are more complex. Heigh is a multiplier of it all. if you're under 5'10 your multiplier starts decreasing from 1. say you're 5'8, your multiplier would be 0.8 or so. Say your 6'0 your multiplier would be maybe 1.2-1.25. If you're under 5'5 as a guy, your multiplier is 0. Women are brutal and it's hard to find any who want a guy under that height.

You have to be brutally honest with yourself about how you look. Are you an 8, which is pretty damn high. Women will smile at you when walking past, eye fuck you etc from this or above. Most guys over value themselves. You could go up to 100 guys on the street, and most would say they are 2 abvoe ehat they actually are. Most would say they are 6, 7, 8. You sound like you actively go out to pursue women, dress up etc. WHat's your success with them. What would you honestly rate them out of looks. Remember girls typically fuck guys who are at least 1, usually 2 points above them. If you're a legit 6 of a guy, you can fuck 4's you meet out. maybe a 5, maybe rarely a 6. But 7's and above will typically steer clear. Most sex studies confirm this. That women go for the top 10-15% of men. That those guys can sleep with in the triple digits. It's not their redpill "game" it's their looks. There are probably a few pick up artist psychopaths who are very good at reading body language who know how to spot a vulnerable woman, someone unstable, or weak, who they can use to fuck for their own ego. Some of them then try to sell this idea to weak guys, ironically these psychopaths prey on both weak men and women for their own ends.

The fact you mentioned clothing. Suggests you are fashonmaxxing, peacocking. I'm going to get rpped to shreds for this, called an incel, despite my track record. But watch some blackpill videos on facial looks. Watch some of "Face&LMs"'s videos for a beginner but in depth look at objective male attractive qualities. Facial symmetry, lower third maxilla, teeth protrusion etc) Canthal tile and eyes, hair line, cheekbones, nose. You'll see a lot of comments from guys saying "fuck" how they thought they were better looking than they were. Good news though, there are ways to improve those looks. But you have to, like an addict look at the problem first.

Look you might be really good looking, but from my perspective from both sides of the fence, if girls aren't giving you looks and warm body language invitations to interact with them. It's your looks.

[–]machiavellianlaws2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would consider myself an attractive guy with a great sense of fashion. I got visible cheekbones, a great jawline and very aesthetic facial features + my hair is always freshly cut. (Before you blame my narcissism and tendency to humblebrag, this is how I see it). When we’re at the club or in a bar, I’m always the friend sitting at the table and making my friends laugh. Some of my less attractive friends usually go talk to girls (and show desperation). My friends will introduce the girls to me, and they usually find me more interesting than my friends. By this time I’ve put on the facade of the strong silent type who don’t approach, but gets approached. I think they find me mysterious, and I’ll let them dominate the conversation with questions about me (I love the attention). I’s like an interview with Jimmy Kimmel lol. This is usually the case for me and a couple of others in my group of friends. One of my friends is also an npd, and we’re both pretty attractive and share the same redpilled view.

[–]Mickusey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If girls are attracted to you, it will be very obvious. If they are actually intimidated in addition to attracted it will be obvious but subtle. If they aren’t attracted, you will question if they even notice your presence much of the time.

[–]donkeydodo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If I enjoy myself and act extrovertly, women are piller to me. If I am a bit witty, and smile, women throw themselves at me; when I’m not, they only look at me. I think the majority of women are too afraid of being rejected, so when I don’t show interest, they only hope and imagine.that I will

[–]red_matrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your game could be weaker than your friends. Are you approaching at all? Looks matter, but only take you so far.

In real life: Looks + Game = God Mode

Honestly, on a scale of 1-10, where is your game?

[–]JuanContrerasRangel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Happens to me a lot. I get the notion that they believe that I'm already in a relationship due to my high SMV. (I bodybuild and consider myself a 9) I get the looks, but I'm mostly the one that has to approach, then I see them approach lower SMV men with ease. How we see cute women is probably how they see us when it comes to availability, but from experience I know I just have to take the initiative and the better looking, the easier it is. It wasn't till I started to hit the gym hard when I noticed I can get away with saying certain things in a flirtatious kind of way.

[–]69odin4200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Girls there days need looks and game. If u don’t have both ur screwed

[–]latinasonly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have a large ammount of exposure to the world.. and i often make unsmiling eye contact with people, esp. when i am not cool with them yet ,, , when i look girls in the eye , i often just stare with a straight face .. as this is my natural reaction .... they almost always look away and often i catch a little smile under their breath

some girls in my school dont make eye contact with me , even after we know each other.... get some of these girls drunk at the party ...and suddenly they get real friendly...

I think peoples facial expression plays a good part in being attractive... i sometimes see large dudes who have an almost scared facial expression... and i say they aint competition ....however some regular sized guys have a look on their face that you dont wanna challenge ...

watch for the slight smile when a girl breaks gaze with you .

[–]Startlivingfornow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you have plates?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd consider myself a solid 7, maybe an 8 and the only girls that are somewhat intimidated by / afraid to talk to me are those with SMVs I'd consider under 6. They're generally friendly to me but it's not like getting with them is a piece of cake.

[–]AnalyticsEnthusiast0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This can honestly go either way. If you really are a physically attractive guy, some women will love to hate you because they could be insecure, think you’re a player or might just not be attracted to your look.

For example, I’ve met women who think I’m a 9/10 and I’ve met women who aren’t in the slightest interested, at least from a glance. That’s just how attraction works.

In the end, if you really are an “attractive guy”, you aren’t left guessing. Random people will let you know that when you’re on the streets, in the club or at your local coffee shop.

[–]Throwawayed01010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve been both. The skinny loser and the jacked confident guy. Idk how much about the TRP u actually understand according to your post. I hope the following helps..

Women are generally never too “intimidated” to approach. I’m aware there are a few exceptions, Fat vs. skinny. An 8 vs. a 4. But I doubt this applies to ur situations. They just don’t b/c society has dictated that that is the man’s job. Even if they see you as the most attractive guy there.

The simple fact your post describes women approaching u and ur bros is confusing. U could be a stacked dude and look like drake, but if ur sitting in a bar eye fucking the room, waiting for an approach, then ur doing it wrong man. Go approach women urself OP. Then report back after a few dozen. Regardless of how I’ve looked, then and now, I’ve never had success with females approaching me. They’re game is terribly weak and that makes them appear as the “interested” ones which is a game in and of itself to them. Also puts them a step below u for any future interactions and they somehow understand this.

Hope this helps. Good luck. Also none of this applies if they are narcissists hahaha

[–]Camp_KillYourself 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Idk i've seen some weird hamstering going on if the guy is too good looking and doesn't approach them...

  1. They're insecure and they feel this guy will just cheat on them or use them for sex

  2. They think he is a playboy and get defensive that you don't validate them

  3. You're really not that good looking as you think.

I can't find the video but they took this male bodybuilder, perfect physique named Sergei Ogorodnikov and horse-faced women shat on him saying his eyebrows were too perfect...

[–]Camp_KillYourself0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also being too handsome can be perceived as "feminine" or even gay...

Look at Jared Leto for example

[–]h0ndaboy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When you are the "best" man in the room, girls will stick to you like flies on a turd

[–]zaze120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My experience from both side,since I'm not ugly but I spent some years overweight. It's a huge change if you become fit,and have also a waterfall effect. I passed from being not invisible but I had to put a lot of work in, to girls touching me everytime and they want also to take pictures with me. It's amazing.

[–]addwater0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The former.

But you still have to act alpha.

Kind of like how they still treat their good looking gay male friends like a beta bitch. Looks are irrelevant in these cases.

[–]Omario60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

reading comment section makes me feel bad that i'm ugly :c

[–]SeasonedRP-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are overestimating your SMV. They aren't too intimidated to approach. I have never heard of or experienced such a thing. Are women too intimidated to approach rock stars?



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