So a friend of mine who is pretty red-pilled started to respond to another friend of mine who posted an article entitled: "Men are not entitled to a woman's time or affection". He argued pretty strongly that had it been "Women are not entitled to a man's time or affection" that there would have been massive outrage but was shouted down by an army of university feminists who called him a rapist. Tonight the guy who posted the article shared a lengthy post onto my friend's wall and was responded to in an extremely well-done manner. Once again, he got attacked by blue-pilled university students and feminists (male & female) and shouted down.

Post made on friend's wall:

My friend wrote this as a comment in the Emma Watson post and I thought it was so right-on that I wanted to give it a post all of its own. She articulates so much of my irritation with this fixation on contradicting man-hating stereotypes (which have existed since the very first woman decided to demand more from the society which relied on her oppression). It is distracting and circular - we are kept defending ourselves against the label, no matter how many times we prove it's not true, and we will keep being forced to defend ourselves because it's a convenient way to keep women afraid and to stop them from actually organising and getting shit done. I know when I stopped worrying about being thought of as a 'man-hater' (read: ugly, unfuckable, angry, hostile, confronting), it felt incredibly liberating and stopped me being so afraid to speak openly and honestly about the oppression that women face. And actually, there are shitloads of men who understand that it's not synonymous with that, and whose presence in feminists' lives proves it to be untrue. Many of the people who frequent this page are men. So let's just all stop bloody worrying about it and treating it like this big thing that needs to be dealt with.

Anyway, here is 's amazing take:

"To those expressing concern that feminism is synonymous with "man hating" and that we should for some reason be directing resources to debunking this "myth", I put this question: what is man hating? What does "man hating" actually mean, and what does it do that hurts men in any way?

The only answers I can come up with are: an individual "man-hater" doesn't sleep with men. She might shake her fist angrily and say such things as "all men are jerks!" because, like most of us, she's probably experienced violence or discrimination at the hands of men. She may not conform to patriarchal beauty standards - heaven forfend! The individual "man hater" - if she indeed exists, probably goes quietly about her life avoiding men, maybe not shaving her legs, maybe feeling angry, maybe wishing the world were different, fairer - all of which she is entirely entitled to do. But she wields no power, and her worst crime is what - not having sex with men?

What does an individual woman-hater do? We can all recall countless examples of how misogyny is acted out on women's bodies and dignity each and every day.

Collectively "man-hating" could be defined as... what? Women objecting to their oppression, perhaps? Collective consciousness and righteous anger? Women have every right to be angry, but this so called "hatred" - what does it do? How has it translated into any actual or proposed harm to men as a class, or even as individuals?

A man commented on Mamamia the other day saying he couldn't get on board with feminism if it meant that women would be superior and men would be kept in stud pens. Fuck. Off. What a luxury to express theoretical fear at this imagined dystopian future which no feminist has suggested ever when the reality is that women ARE actually kept in rape-camps, and forced childbirth is used as a tool of ethnic cleansing.

Every day women are raped, murdered and discarded like garbage. Women have been oppressed socially, politically, economically and physically for time immemorial the world over. Feminism is the political fight to liberate women from this oppression. It cannot be rationally construed as "hatred" of men in any defensible way, so I propose that exactly zero resources are devoted to exploring this myth any further."

Hear bloody hear.


His response:

The idea that women are still oppressed in first-world societies is absurd. Sure, in Afghanistan and Africa, I have no doubt that there are serious gender issues to be dealt with. But in Australia, America, Europe and every other first-world society, I think it's safe to say that there are no "rape camps".

Misandry does exist in the same way that misogyny does. But if all a "man-hater" is is a woman who doesn't have sex with men, then couldn't you define a "woman-hater" as a man who doesn't have sex with women? Of course not. Because a "woman-hater" is a sexist, ostracized freak who is universally despised. But a "man-hater" is to be glorified, good on her for standing up to the (non-existent) "patriarchy". Give her a pat on the back!

Furthermore: "because, like most of us, she's probably experienced violence or discrimination at the hands of men." One in three men report being domestically abused at the hands of women, yet you never hear about that in the media, because men are depicted as being the "stronger" gender. Perhaps you'd like to read some of "One in Three"'s material? http://www.oneinthree.com.au/malevictims

"She may not conform to patriarchal beauty standards - heaven forfend!" Patriarchal beauty standards. Because that exists. The 'ideally' beautiful woman is gorgeous, slim and tanned - but women are under no obligation to look that way, in the same way that the 'ideally' beautiful man is gorgeous, very likely works out at the gym and puts a lot of effort into looking the way they do. I don't go to the gym, but I don't cry and complain about "matriarchal beauty standards".

Feminists love to complain about the Barbie Doll and how it promotes an idealized female look and that this puts unrealistic pressure on women to look that way. Have Feminists encountered the Ken doll? How about He-Man? How about any character in any of the recent Marvel / DC movies? All of those characters have bulging muscles and well-defined facial features, but I don't say to myself "oh my god I'm under so much pressure to look like this idealized image".

"Every day women are raped, murdered and discarded like garbage." Not in any first-world country they're not, at least no more than men are. As I said above, this more than likely happens in third-world and developing countries. So go fight for it over there. Women are at the point now where feminism has accomplished all it needs to in first-world countries -- they have every right that a man does, and in some cases, more.

"Feminism is the political fight to liberate women from this oppression." Absolutely right, and let's make it absolutely clear - I have no issue with feminism whatsoever, I think gender equality is great and absolutely necessary in any modern society. However. to say that "It cannot be rationally construed as "hatred" of men in any defensible way" is blatantly incorrect. A great example of this is in the concept of "victim-blaming" which is to say that women are blamed for getting raped -- which is incorrect, obviously. However, if I walked down a street in Queens with a Rolex on my wrist and money stuffed into my breast pocket and -- shockingly -- got mugged, then complained that we should teach muggers not to mug rather than taking any responsibility for my own, stupid, actions, I'd be laughed at. Because that's retarded. Similarly, if a woman dresses in an extremely revealing way and then goes to the wrong place at the wrong time and (terribly) gets sexually assaulted then you can't say that she did not, in the slightest fashion, provoke it. Additionally, the vast majority of women seem to lack even the slightest interest in learning to defend themselves; whether this constitutes carrying a self-defense item (non-lethal) such as Pepper Spray or a Tazer, or even learning physical self-defense (also a great way to stay fit an in shape). They just say "I want to be safe wherever I go no matter my actions, men, make it happen for me." That's equivalent to me saying "I want to be safe wherever I go no matter my actions, muggers, make it happen for me."

I think Emma Watons's speech was fantastic, as an aside. I think it hit the nail on the head.