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Rollo - State of the Manosphere 2018

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https://therationalmale.com/2019/01/29/state-of-the-manosphere-2018-2/


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Title Rollo - State of the Manosphere 2018
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 61
Comments 29
Date 30 January 2019 06:21 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/218328
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/alfn16/rollo_state_of_the_manosphere_2018/
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[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy

Interesting prediction Rollo made:

Speaking of which, in the first 3 weeks of 2019 we’ve also seen an almost entirely female set of candidates declare themselves as running for their party’s nomination. Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Karen Gillibrand, and a few others couldn’t wait for the clock to strike midnight on December 31st, 2018. This was also something I alluded to in our December 29th episode of The Red Man Group; a vagina will be a prerequisite for consideration for the Democratic nomination in 2020.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi39 points40 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks guys, sorry I guess I should've just made this a linked post

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are the "scientific Patrice O'Neal". Thank you for your writings.

[–]Tie5o1118 points19 points  (11 children) | Copy

Early on Rollo mentioned MGTOW, and then went on a tangent about marriage rates dropping and going later into life. I'm not sure what he was trying to communicate there? Or, perhaps he just went on a tangent and forgot to come back to his main point.

Another commentor in the crowd mentioned bringing like minded men together. I think this is really important. I know red pill meetups are not easy to pull off, people (myself included) would be nervous of getting doxed. However, red pill type events in regions around the US (and Europe) may be a good way for men to build more community around the Red Pill.

Overall top notch content. The Red Pill community is really lucky to have you Rollo (if you read this). Thank you for all you've done.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat16 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy

When Roosh tried to organize a meetup two years ago, Rollo criticised the idea with an argument I found very fair: men don’t bond over a chatty meet up like women do, instead we gather around a common activity and bond there.

I think it’s brilliant.

Meet with the boys in your garage to fix the motorbikes and talk red pill there.

Meet at the bar for a drink with your teammates after the rugby game and talk red pill there.

Meet for a poker game and tell the boys to bring cigars, whiskey, and their copy of the latest redpill book they read.

.. and then Rollo went on to help an angry soap-maker to organize redpill meetups that cost a fortune..

[–]organicfluxx1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think hes trying to take the redpill mainstream by aligning with pre-existing people (mostly youtubers) and trying to get them to change their tone slightly. I always saw those guys as in it for the money and if they were redpilled, they would have preached such a message in the first place. Richard cooper and eliot hulse are both just biusnessmen, good at playing a charachter but ultimately will sell soap for personal gain.

Where do you see this going? Do you see this ultimately helping men by exposing them to the redpill or do you see this as poor pr for the redpill?

[–]21Convention FounderDream_210 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

This comment is fundamentally ignorant in regard to 21CON. It misapplies Rollo's criticism of Roosh's shitty meetups and vomits them at the greatest manosphere event ever built. You have not attended, have no understanding of what goes on at the convention, and have no room criticizing the price, high or low. Which I get both of. In the meantime, the event sells out of tickets.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m for anything that can help men. So I’m for 21 con just as I was for roosh’s informal meetups. I’m only pointing the irony of Rollo making an intelligent argument against meetups only to organise/support his own meetup a year later. His intelligent argument back then still applies to 21 con but he seems to have conveniently forgotten it. I love his work but man I struggle with his attitude sometimes.

I know organising seminars cost a lot and you’re free to charge whatever you want for it, whether you make a good margin or not. Given how proud you are of being an entrepreneur, I doubt you’re in for free and for the benefit of men everywhere. I wish 21 con helps more men open their eyes to reality as informed by the red pill but I really really really hope Rollo has not associated himself with someone who sees the manosphere as a cash cow to build his entrepreneur resume on.

If you’re in for the good of men, then you’ll think of promoting on your platform that redpill men should organise informal meetups a-la-Roosh to discuss among themselves. Not every man can come to Orlando. Not every man can afford it.

Oh and for the soap-maker comment, while I have your attention: making such a cheap reference to the fight club movie is try-hard and cringey. If you’re in need of money and want to solve this by selling something via the manosphere channels, why not selling some masculine item men actually want? Razors, whiskey, cigar, wallets, tools, knives.. Choosing soap makes it look like you want to appeal to people’s belief that the red pill is some sort of exclusive club they should want to be part of - exactly what a salesman trying to profit off the red pill would do.

[–]5Imperator_Red1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Out of curiosity, why was your event good and Roosh's shitty? I'm not asking to be a dick. I know almost nothing about either.

[–]21Convention FounderDream_210 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I went to a Roosh event and met him over the summer in DC. 30 dudes literally meet at a starbucks and head to a nearby bar.

21CON had over 230 men show up for 4+ days in Orlando with a professional film team.

The videos are free to the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk9TGRxw7K4

The events are not even remotely similar.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have you thought that maybe you're selling watered down red pill which is counterfeit, because it doesn't stand up to standard? Explain to me how someone selling real red pills gets only 1/10th of the attraction 21Convention red pills get?

Hmm... a concept that has been notorious to hurt feelings of the mainstream has became mainstream? You're very good at selling pain? Do you teach MMA at 21Convention? Or do you sell because you removed the core element of the red pill which is pain?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think we should crowdsource a red pill distillery.

Prove me wrong.

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, meeting in a convention type atmosphere to discuss red pill ideas would be an activity, but the point still stands that it's just not politically/socially feasible at this time. Small scale informal discussions like you suggest is the way forward at this point.

[–]clavabot5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like a SOTU but more important

[–]NextBad11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

Whatever the future holds it's not good for men. Rollo is American therefore he focuses specifically on this countries ills. But a good way to predict is other countries where feminism has taken hold. Men can not withstand or beat oppression. Most men are never fathers in these countries. Imagine a world where only 25% of men are fathers, all of a sudden that 80-20 rule will become the norm.

It seems beta's have mated long enough, Now these countries have free health care, most men aren't starving, they have a good life. So whats in store for America seems to be free health care, more socialistic policies.

However the end goal seems to be total government control

>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/25/dutch-doctor-reprimanded-asking-family-hold-euthanasia-patient/

A old lady didn't want to die, but they forcefully Euthanize her , meaning they murdered her. Imagine a free health care system in which people can force you to die against your will. She also stated in her will she never wanted to die, she wanted to go out naturally.

The Dutch population is so condition to believe in leadership that the doctor got away. Let's just say culling the elderly isn't a concern most people have, I wouldn't be surprised if men are next

[–]destraht14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

That is huge recurring problem with late stage socialism. It goes from "do whatever you want, just don't bother me about it" to "if we are paying for these people then shouldn't we be allowed to kill them?".

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Calling something a right does not render it magically immune from the laws of economic scarcity. Scare private goods must be rationed somehow. If it's not rationed by the market, it will be rationed by government bureaucrats.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its just such a joke because they tell me that I must have something as they set a process in motion that causes it to not be available anymore. They make me a bad person for not wanting something as well as not wanting to pay for it. Then when its no longer available I'll become an undesirable person, if they can't use my victimhood points in their great tally. I will no longer be of use to these would-be tyrants if I refuse to covet things that I don't feel entitled to have while also refusing to be a victim. So they simply want me dead, gone or worse. There is no peace with these people.

[–]Praeda1812 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

a free healthcare system in which people can force you to die against your will

We’ve been affectionally referring to it as communism.

[–]EntropyForeverx0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Bad troll. Woman had dementia and maybe other health problems. You dont get killed for having dementia. Family may have had bad motives (let's get it over with). Doctor would never act standalone. Family gave its approval and later regretted it. Standard practise to have family decide your fate if you are physically sick and mentally ill.

Yep the Netherlands are going to shit but at this moment it is still a far better place to work and live than wherever the hell you are.

[–]NextBad1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

How is this a troll?, she did have dementia , however in her will she stated she wanted to die naturally, that alone is her choice, also she fought back and didn't want to die, I think that is the biggest factor.

Also my overall point was if this is allowed to happen under any context than it means the ethics and checks and balances don't mean anything.

I can't imagine killing someone who doesn't want to die, they could of avoided this by say locking her up, padding room, jacket, if she was truly a danger , death seem like the most extreme option.

Yep the Netherlands are going to shit but at this moment it is still a far better place to work and live than wherever the hell you are.

And people call Americans Arrogant. You are saying the Netherlands is the best which is debatable but I feel it's outside of the scope in this forum but it goes to show how brainwashed people can be to accept murder.

[–]EntropyForeverx3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You have 1 example. 1. One. Uno.

And you dont even know all of the facts.

And the doctor is facing charges.

People these days. 0.0

[–]NextBad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]Zech4riah2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Rollo brought up the weaknesses/threats I've been worrying about - the community destroying itself from inside in a way or another.

I see this as the biggest threat.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Instead of looking at ideals and living up to them what youre essentially saying is lets dumb the ideals down so we can look better. If we don't have anyone to enforce what is tolerated and what is not we downgrade as a community as its easier to neglect hardships than to embrace them.

[–]Zech4riah-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are essentially saying I'm wrong and trying to suppress my thoughts instead of taking a look at this sub and seeing how toxic people in the same team are towards each other.

[–]xdrunkagainx2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Building yourself into the best redpilled version of you, for you is what MGTOW is. For some men pussy isn't the goal, or the only goal. Most of them came from here, but don't need to spin 5 plates to be happy. They don't care if women come back, they don't want them back. Doesn't mean they don't get laid regularly though.

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