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THE LIONS DEN - OFFICIAL NO-BAN FREE-FOR-ALL MODS-ASLEEP AMA-TRP DAY

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As per our announcement last week today we launch our first ever ban-amnesty AMA debate thread in which anybody from anywhere on Reddit can come challenge our opinions and ideas with no fear of retribution, censorship, or banning.

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Title THE LIONS DEN - OFFICIAL NO-BAN FREE-FOR-ALL MODS-ASLEEP AMA-TRP DAY
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 106
Comments 444
Date 13 February 2019 02:34 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/218420
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/aq76ct/the_lions_den_official_noban_freeforall/
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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well they’re gonna like you at least partly for your body always. Your body represents you and your genetics and it’s based at least half on that that they’re selecting you. Lifting I think is a crucial element to the repertoire, but only insofar as it’s results. If you’re reasonably athletic and lean with decent genetics you don’t have to be huge. Comes down to how you stand based off your current routine and abilities etc. As for lifting injuries they don’t happen if you aren’t pushing beyond your limits and have good form. Same thing with those two guys having similar results. You see short term but not long term. Not to mention general quality of life. Being fit is about quality of life, not just getting pussy.

[–]Willcs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

M20 relatively good looking and lift but i have no self confidence and my social skills lack alot. Any advice?

[–]clavabot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One one condition will you try DO 100% what is recommended?

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[–]krowitz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

We don't care if you don't want to lift.

[–]ChrimsonChin9889 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

Nobody ever said it was necessary. Patrice was a pimp and he was fat as fuck. I never met Tyler or Luke or any of their girls. But I'd bet my left nut they would have more success if they lifted.

We say focus on the variables you can control to get laid. Lifting is one of the easiest, everybody can do it and improve his SMV significantly.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Think of it this way. Girl first sees you, she doesn’t see your sense of humor or net worth or skill set, she sees what she can glean from your sense of style, but more importantly she sees your physical body. Your body which presents itself as being fit, knowledgeable, capable, and disciplined, both in terms of diet and training. Having a fit body will convey to other all kinds of positivity, let alone the pheromones and good posture that also come as perks of the territory. Unfit people can potentially get laid, just the quality and frequency will 100% be reduced, especially if they’re fat and not just skinny.

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[–]frameTrumpsShitTests1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Tyler invested his whole life in this. And the first 20 years were pretty miserable.

I think attraction is based on game, body, social status and resources. Of these 4 pillars the body is the easiest. If you are lacking the discipline to lift a stone up and down each second day, then all else is lost with you. Also, a fit body influences your mind and personality. Especially via testosterone. This signals your brain that everything is okay and that it can go all out personality wise. So a good body makes learning game much easier. It also gives you social status.

(blackpill advice: A good body can also give you resources)

[–]ChrimsonChin9880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not 'everyone' here says its necessary.

We only say it helps to get poon and it's an easy variable to control. Also it teaches you discipline and the hormones produced will make you feel better etc. which will make your life better in general.

I'd say that some people here exaggerate and say that it's 'necessary' because you'd basically be an idiot not to do it.

If you had 2 eyes and looked outside you would know it's not necessary but you'd also know there's without question a strong correlation between men with fit bodies and the hotties walking beside them.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'm stuck and need some serious help. Me m26 recently landed a 6 figure job. Gf 33 earns two times more than me. Been together over a year. I know I have fucked up alot by committing how do I get out. Help!! ALL we do is argue and fight we went on a holiday it was the most miserable time of my life.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be a man and make an objective assessment of the situation, and make a decision accordingly. You have TONS of options just given what you’ve said. Don’t waste them.

[–]AllahHatesFags17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are 26 and making 6-figures? What in the hell are you doing dating a bitchy, post-wall career hag? Drop the bitch and go find some younger pussy!

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

You aren't even married and this is how it is. Do her a favor and get out. She wants someone to steady her world as she confronts her looming fertility crisis.

[–]dokoya13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have fucked up alot by committing how do I get out.

Unfuck yourself and just leave. No explanations. Nothing. Just leave

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tell her you're done, wtf are you waiting for? The internet people to come and do it for you?

[–]cxj3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I wrote this post years ago on PPD, it is my take on hypergamy and the 80/20 rule.

Do you think my post accurately represents TRP views? Or is it totally wrong? Do you agree with some of it and not all?

Would love to know why or why not.

Thanks!

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not going to give it a line by line critique, but it definitely highlights a very common misunderstanding about 80/20. Bloops and confederates pretend that we are saying only 20% of men get sex. Some might realize this is idiotic and dial it back to only 20% of men get casual sex. No no no. We realize most men can get sex at some point. The question is how much and at what cost.

The 20% will get more mating access at less cost. In comparison to the 80%, their counts will be higher and sometimes much, much higher. The 80% will typically have to trade value for mating access--resources, commitment, etc. Sex with the 20% is value in itself. This is not to say a 20%er won't ever commit or give resources. It just isn't a requirement.

[–]cxj0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks!

What do you think about the top 20% of given social arenas being relevant as opposed to some 20% top overall?

[–]WorkWorkZubZub28 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy

The RedPill, and this subreddit, offers a lot of wisdom, truth, and guides to becoming a better man.

But why the hell are so many posters so fucking antagonistic? Calling anyone who doesn't understand everything right away a faggot, for example. Can you imagine if other philosophies or life improvement groups did that? It's a big part of the reason some people just write you off as angry assholes - some of you seem far more interested in puffing your chests out and insulting people than you are in helping others improve.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Locker room talk is by necessity rough. It is meant to filter out weakness. I'm not saying homosexuals are weak, bloops. The weakness refers to opinions, intellectual confidence and engagement. If you can't take someone calling you a faggot, then I doubt you have anything of value to offer.

That said, the mods shut down AMOGing assholes pretty quick. So yeah, don't go around calling everyone a faggot.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the only place I talk like this. In my head, if I'm spending my time helping other dudes just to get their dick wet, then I can say what ever the fuck I want to them.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed39 points40 points  (2 children) | Copy

I answered this deeper in the thread, but here's the pasta...

Bad words are a filtering tool. If me calling you a fag makes you lose your shit, then I know I don't need to waste any more time with you, because you're concentrating on the tone, not the content.

Bruce Lee quote....

'Its like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.'

Plus, write to your audience. There are for the most part angry young men here. They are through with simpering platitudes and bullshit advice., the so called Disney dream. That's not working for them. They want the fucking truth.

Fight club quote...

“We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.”

Last, it's a locker room. Where I can say pretty much what I want. That's an exceedingly rare space for men anymore, as most of the world has been feminized to the point that even saying a bad word is "toxic". You know, toxic may be the worst word out there. It means, I'm offended. I don't give a shit. You can be offended all you want. Your feelings are your own, I have no onus to change my behavior to supplicate to anyone.

Blue velvet quote...

"Fuck you, you fucking fuck"

[–]WorkWorkZubZub36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for the thought out reply. Bitch.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anytime, fag.

[–]Omnidempotent3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy

What do you think the age of consent should be?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

18

And it has nothing to do with sex. As a parent, I'm responsible for what my children do until they reach the age of majority. If you think they should be having sex at a younger age, then we need to start treating them like adults at a younger age--like we used to do. Instead, it seems we keep ramping up age limits for everything else, some of which has no lasting effects, while pushing to lower the age of consent. If we keep pushing more and more responsibility on parents for the acts of children, the children will never grow up.

I mean, just look at the fucking millenials.

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[–]Omnidempotent4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

no teenage male has ever been psychologically damaged by consensual sex with an older woman

That's a feminist meme used to excuse the sexual abuse of boys and young men. Older woman absolutely can take advantage of boys and do serious psychological harm.

[–]Proto_Sigma2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]spooky-1021 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

13

[–]stoicbotanist3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it should all be relative to the other person's age, as it is in many states. A 19 year old with a 17 year old shouldn't be penalized as harshly as an older man with girl.

[–]AnAbsoluteSith0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

2nd trimester

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

45.

I just want to see the world burn.

[–]Battagliare0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

My view on TRP is: I basically have a mission for myself, an ideal i want to achieve. And in order to achieve this i should instill self-discipline to myself and fulfill my sexual/relationship needs as its actually one of the very important things Men need.

And TRP shows me the right path to achieve these two aims. By reading the theory and implementing it in real life, i can work on myself and get closer to what i aim for.

Is this the correct view or is it flawed ?

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[–]Battagliare0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I understand the resolve part, the driving force for your actions. But Dignity ? Would you elaborate ?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

Only you can determine what is correct for you.

But speaking for myself, that's how I view it.

[–]Dr-Berg0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

You didn't answer my Question.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I did and you didn't like my answer.

How you describe it is how I view it.

But we're not here to give you prescriptions. We're a toolbox and source of info. You can do with it what you want.

[–]Dr-Berg0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

no, you didn't. you ignored my ques.

" To /u/redpillschool and Trp Vanguards

Have you read OSHO? if yes then What did you think about him?"

^ This was my ques if you scroll down. If you mean ignoring is the answer then okay I got it.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry I thought you were OP of this thread.

[–]Vellore9922 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

He's not answering any questions. Just handing out weird trp truisms. Waste of time.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did, you just didn't understand it.

[–]Battagliare0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hmm i see, thanks.

[–]James_Rustler_10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Mods: The quarantine is probably good for the long term benefit of the community. If this place had a big controversy Reddit wouldn't hesitate to ban the subreddit. The quarantine helps the sub stay under the radar.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I understand not wanting us to show up on all. In fact, it was happening a lot shortly before the quarantine. And maybe I understand wanting to compartmentalize their own search engine, after all they do it for NSFW. However the part where they broke outside searches and mobile users is shitty. They may not think it is censorship, but it most certainly is.

And then they shit the bed with their editorial and a link to a known sexual.predator. That was pretty funny.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

"You're only making it worse on yourself!"

-Monty Python executioner to condemned prisoner

[–]Selfishaltruist1814 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your not wrong, but its still just shows that because of the content that's discussed here we are not wanted and that even if we do follow the rules, we are still at the mercy of people who want to silence us.

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[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TRP preaches that a man should never be married

Most of us say it is a very bad idea in this day and age. However your own personal calculus of the situation may come to a different conclusion. Understand that if we were able to rewind to what Whisper calls Marriage 1.0, a very large percentage of our readership would get on board with that. Alas, you can't rewind.

[–]Selfishaltruist18115 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

You kinda answer your own question there, yes if you can get a rich girl who has higher social status to marry you then go for it, but its abit of a fallacy. Why would a woman with higher social status who's rich want to marry you? Sleep with you sure, but why would she commit? TRP teaches about the hypergamy nature of woman, or to put it shortly, the reason why woman marry up and never down.

[–]1empatheticapathetic4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Heard of Jeremy Meeks? When a woman is so high up and there is only so much option for richer guys, she may as well lure in someone she thinks is a peak alpha.

Would be interested in someone else’s opinion on this idea.

[–]Selfishaltruist1812 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only problem with this is she got my dad when she was 18 not 40.

[–]rus93844 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

What original is there in TRP?

Maybe that's simpy local beliefs, but in my area around half of guys have similar views on how to deal with women, evem though they never heard about TRP. Damn, that attitude is even older than TRP itself, it comes at least as early as from the last decade.

Most advices, theory and so on is familiar to me. I heard it back from late 00's/early 10's. This also puts in doubt my view on TRP as something unpopular in society. But maybe things are different in the US or some other countries?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Answered this elsewhere, so you get the abbreviated version. Everyone knows that eating to excess will make you unhealthy and unattractive fat, yet tons of people still do it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

If it is not unpopular and th ewidely accepted stance, why is a community of 300,000 on a site with 100s of millions of user attracting enough attention to be quanrantined? Food for thought

[–]rus93840 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Ahem, I thought reddit has only slightly more than 20m of people. Actually I saw this sub only accidentally around a half year ago, and it's not easy to find it, if you don't look for it specifically. When you google "how to deal with women" and similar stuff, TRP is not going to be shown there. But google returns a bunch of other stuff, that on many points is similar to TRP guides.

Why quarantined? I don't know. I'm not sure it is due to a theory. I'm guessing someone had a hard time reading stories with guys being assholes to girls. Most of stories are not bad, sure. But if there was a popular (I think at least 100k subscribers) sub where girls posted something like "Look how I cuckolded this LOSER!" it could also be quarantined. Maybe.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Was drawing on this for the numbers. And there are adultery or cheating subreddits (can't be bothered to visit them at work) that allows for that kinda stuff. It's only recently that we've come to share notes on an open, popular forum like this. And it irks them. And we aren't being assholes any more than a girl allows us to be. Having sex and not wanting a relationship is perfectly ethical. Just like being in a relationship and not wanting to have sex is.

[–]rus93840 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just like there are 15 times more readers of reddit than actually registered users, I expect TRP having more than 300k unique visitors.

Not arguing with your last point. I myself like sex with no relationships. Yet, that's not the whole point of TRP community.

The thing is that some people are more predisposed to like sex with random/more people and some are less. You can google 'sociosexual orientation' for that. And many members of TRP community treat women like they all are on the extreme point of the scale. The community got overwhelmed by ignorant people taking anything for granted and that's the case.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Was drawing on this for the numbers. And there is r/adultery or r/cheating (can't be bothered to visit them at work) that allows for that kinda stuff. It's only recently that we've come to share notes on an open, popular forum like this. And it irks them. And we aren't being assholes any more than a girl allows us to be. Having sex and not wanting a relationship is perfectly ethical. Just like being in a relationship and not wanting to have sex is.

[–]EkMard5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The place you come from is an outlier. I see people in the Americas, much of Europe, South Asia and elsewhere, and the majority of males do not understand it. The vast majority are blue-pilled. Red Pill truth and advice is considered misogynistic in most of the aforementioned places.

[–]krowitz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are right. If there's anything, TRP is an attempt to explain the attitudes and views you describe. Some people do not default to your local beliefs and they can benefit from this.

If most advices and theory and so on is familiar to you, this place is where you can have a deeper understanding than that familiarity.

[–]Dr-Berg1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

To /u/redpillschool and Trp Vanguards

Have you read OSHO? if yes then What did you think about him?

[–]aDrunkenWhaler-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

A cult leader that used platitudes, simple tactics and manipulation to bulid himself an empire and have naive people worship him. Not the first or the last.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy

What the fuck is an OSHO?

[–]blackedoutfast0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

lol he was the leader of that crazy cult in Oregon in the early '80s. there's a great netflix miniseries about them called "wild wild country" highly recommended.

[–]modRedForEducation1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not surprised. Many NEET's love to reference something they just watched on NETFLICKS and how it shows the current woes to society.

did you know FRIENDS was homophobic?

[–]Dr-Berg3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Listen to Osho’s talks at the Press Conferences given in Rajneeshpuram on youtube highly recommended.

[–]Dr-Berg2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What the fuck is an OSHO?

He was a philosopher. I found some of Trp senior member's ideas, thinking similar to him. It looks like they have read him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

any specific examples?

[–]Dr-Berg1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't have any specific examples but if you pay attention you will see the similarities with his talks. I'm not a follower of Osho but I've seen many(especially self-help gurus even Eckhart Tolle )use his philosophies but claim their own.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting I’ll have to check some out. I wonder if those other top guys just came to the same logical conclusions that are universal when given the same knowledge and the intelligence to be able to work it out.

[–]2kez8824 points25 points  (20 children) | Copy

Does anyone else feel kinda lonely in a RP world? I look around me and just see everything as some sort of pre-conditioned game that we're all playing out where we all just seek validation from each other and nobody really connects or does anything meaningful. Then I feel like I can't talk to anyone about it because the notions and ideas in TRP are fairly unknown and people won't really understand. I can't/don't want to talk to any girls i'm seeing about it because any time you try confide in a women it just shows weakness, and my guy mates won't really get it either. I just feel stuck and like I can't connect with anyone really.

I know game, I'm fairly popular, i've fucked over a hundred women, I've been happy most of my life, but as I'm hitting 30 soon it just feels a little empty and hollow and I don't know how to find fulfillment and joy in a post-red pill world. Anyone else found something similar or how to help fix it?

[–]stoicbotanist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe you should consider being around a young relative who considers you a role model more often, or having children.

Children are more real and honest, and can create strong bonds

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's possible you want a girl you can actually love. Nothing in TRP advice precludes this. Read my articles on control game.

[–]2kez880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks i'll give it a look

[–]Senior Contributoradam-l7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

What is the problem with Games? As Eric Berne puts it, "Games are substitutes for real living and real intimacy". They have “ulterior quality” and have profit as their goal. “Every game … is basically dishonest”.

There is only one answer to the lack of intimacy, and always have been: friends.

[–]i_have_a_semicolon1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Find a rpw maybe?

[–]2kez880 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I dont think the answer is trying to find a unicorn, awalt etc. It's more about the whole ideology and mentality behind trp, which I agree with, but not quite sure how to proceed

[–]i_have_a_semicolon0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

i mean, well. awalt is faulty. all women are not literally the same there is some variation obviously. TRP stipulates that getting close is opening yourself to getting fucked over because you cant control her actions, you can only control your actions. Being vulnerable is hard and means you can get hurt but theres also a pay off in the sense that this existential emptiness goes away.

[–]zyqkvx0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Being vulnerable alone is not the silver bullet. Thinking so will give you moments in which you believe you finally got what you wanted. This feeling will pass soon when she says or does something to shatter the illusion. The truth is all interactions between human beings is the same as dog training. You just have to be the wiser, smarter, just-er dog trainer, and not be trained by stupid dog trainers. After that there's more room for vulnerability that isn't dysfunctional. There's usually room for some vulnerability.

[–]i_have_a_semicolon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I believe more people are capable of genuine non illusatory love, attraction, and commitment. The ability to be open with each other is very important to having a bond.

[–]TheStoicCrane7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seek to bring about fulfilment from within by setting meaningful goals and strive to make them manifest before your last breath. Learn to enjoy the journey to the utmost in a wholesome manner. The value you derive from life is what you place into it. Create one worth being happy about.

[–]krowitz3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is lonely as you try to shed the blue bits. Then you get used to it.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't see it as empty and alone. I see it as cheat codes to an on-going massively multiplayer game.

I'm always excited to see what I can do next, and how the other players will react.

[–]dingleburry_joe5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a better attitude towards it. Like your fucking Neo in the matrix. I enjoy the whole interpretation like "fulfillment comes from within" as if their fucking monks sitting on a rock. I enjoy zen views on life but rather act like a badass character in a movie.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yes, I'm beginning to feel that reality. at 27, soon to be 28. Mostly I think about how I'll be gone someday and so will everyone I see throughout my normal day. Things like leaving a legacy are meaningless, as everyone who remembers you when you are gone will be dead as well...there's no point in trying to be remembered as eventually every atom will break down into nothingness at the end of the universe anyway, so, life is pretty meaningless other than the meaning we choose to give it. I choose self-betterment. It certainly beats indulging in things like drinking to intoxication every night and jerking off and playing video games. Some might disagree. For me, the game sort of fills in the gaps between life and death. It makes reality easier to swallow too. If someone steals my cell phone, I wouldn't care as much anymore. People do things to further their own interests, whether it's stealing your shit, fucking your bitch, taking your credit, or just plain fucking you over...it doesn't really matter, it's just a game.

A far as making it better? I don't think it gets better...I see people laughing at jokes, but part of me believes its some sort of insecurity about death. Life isn't really that funny. It's cognitive dissonance within jokes that usually makes us laugh. The more I understand reality, the less funny things get. And maybe I'll become funnier to people for speaking the truth, which most are unwilling to accept and instead they spin it into comedy. I suppose it's a way of unplugging people gently, through comedy.

Tl;dr: Live, Game, Die

[–]LordTilde1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nihilism will get you nowhere. Find some meaning.

[–]dingleburry_joe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd recommend reading some zen/taoist books. Really will help with that meaningless stuff IMO

[–]odaklanan_insan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If a set of ideology cannot give you all the answers, it cannot be the truth alone.

You have found the red pill, but your'e not fully unplugged. TRP is only book one. It introduces you to the ugly truths of reality. It aims to make you strong and compromise those hostilities.

Now you need to find book 2, which introduces you to the beautiful truths of reality and more answers (which is not less difficult to swallow than TRP) and who knows where that will lead you... Fullfillment, is knowing that you're doing the thing you were born to do. You need to go after it at least as much as anything TRP offers.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

You fix it by finding that <1% and gaming them to come into your circle. Men, women, old, young. Find your tribe and cultivate. We aren't meant to live alone

[–]JagsDontCare11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re just overlooking the fact that even waking up and being able to play the game is a blessing enough. Literally you’re alive in this strange matrix reality that no one can explain; that’s just amazing.

[–]ThatOneDrunkUncle3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Why is TRP not an ideology? It seems to me TRP was meant to fight dominant ideologies, but in that sense, has become an ideology in itself by fighting ideology in ideological terms.

It is a rational response to other bullshit ideologies, like feminism and egalitarianism, but it has become a set of normative beliefs within this forum.

I hear time and again that TRP is a praxeology (despite being admittedly "unscientific"), or a toolbox, but now Rollo (among others) seems to have taken an individualistic standpoint himself in his latest post. If "x" is alpha and "y" is beta, how is that not a limiting belief?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In order to understand why TRP is full of imperatives, but not a movement, you need to understand the difference between a hypothetical and a categorical imperative.

Feminism alleges categorical imperatives.

TRP alleges hypothetical imperatives.

[–]1Kurush5591 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read gaylubeoil's post about total rejection

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thought exercise here: what do you think we are telling you to do?

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Call it what you want, it comes down to the individual and not the group.

There's no pre conceived end goal, no prescribed dogma, simply information that can be used or discarded as each individual sees fit.

There's no penalty for not complying there's no exclusion. No one is bound to it.

It does not want anything from you, it does not require you, the information will exist in some form or another without the group.

Essentially it's observations and not prescriptions. "We see that this works, try it" instead of "you need to do this and in sure it will work"

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[–]izzyinjurious13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Girls will go wild no matter what. It's you having to make them feel comfortable in order to get that wild to come out. You have to make them feel judge free and able to be themselves around you. They have to be able to have fun and let their slutty side out without getting judged by you and hidden from society. I know because it's something I'm working on, kinda. Now, in private with practice you can get them to sleep with you and hopefully become nasty for you. Good luck Brodie. You'll figure it out if you really want it.

[–]odaklanan_insan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I used to live in a very conservative country and I observed the same behaviour in women. Even the finest modest women can act very inappropriate and be naughty depending on the circumstances.

[–]Shady-mofo12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

most indians dont have sex before marriage and most girls dont wanna go wild here,

Lol you have a lot to learn.

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*about fucking.

[–]hotcaulk0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy

How do Red Pill men/ladies feel about the Tea Consent approach to consent? (It's a 3 minute long cartoon.)

I'm an Autistic lady. The BF is the more nurturing one and I'm the robot, to put it crudely. I'm a stay at home lady, though. We compliment each other well, but half of our "expected" roles appear to be reversed. How do relationships like ours (Red Pill in some ways, blue pill in others) fit in a Red Pill worldview? i.e. If we have kids, should we try to switch those "nurturing" type roles, etc, to be more in line with gender stereotypes and social norms OR should we each take the lead where our personal strength lies, regardless of gender? Or some other option?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tea Consent

When did I consent to taking responsibility for the safety of someone that drank themselves unconscious? Sure, I'm not going to fuck them, but why do I have to make sure they are safe? I'm feeling a bit assaulted here.

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Let's say that the "make sure they are safe" part is optional, like the "add milk to tea" part. (If you'd like, I can try to consider "let's say the milk is mandatory, too. I didn't consent to milk in my tea," or something like that, if you think that's fair.) Focus on the parts about tea ingestion. What are those thoughts?

If you refuse to consider the above: If you are out with a person, visiting their home, entertaining them in your home, or just otherwise socially engaged with them and they are suddenly unconscious after you stepping away for 5 minutes, how would you react? (If you don't think your state has a good samaritan law, let me know, we'll check. Odds are it does.) I check on unconscious strangers, but i'm the bleeding heart type. Maybe you feel differently about acquaintances, though?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you got other answers; I was just focusing on the unintentional irony.

good samaritan law,

I don't think those laws mean what you think they mean, but indeed most states compel you to alert the authorities if someone is in danger, as long as it doesn't cause you unreasonable harm. That still doesn't make you responsible for their safety. For instance, if some retard jumps into a wild animal cage at the zoo, I only need notify the zoo. I don't have to jump into the cage too and fight off the toothy thing. And if the toothy thing escapes its cage to eat three assholes, it's totally ok if I just run for my life and not tell anyone about the three assholes getting eaten.

But I think your question was a good one.

[–]blackedoutfast1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How do Red Pill men/ladies feel about the Tea Consent approach to consent?

fucking dumb as hell.

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

Are you happy in your relationship?

[–]spooky-1022 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some random redpill woman opened a store under GLO's name. Is it you? maybe Gaylubeoil opened it. who knows.

[–]hotcaulk0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Oh, fuck yeah! I thought I would hate monogamy, but I love it with him. I trust him more than anyone, except my Dad. (I'm kinda weird about my Dad. In a good way, of course.) I feel safe with my SO, even in my most vulnerable moments. I've seen him go through extreme changes, but the core of who he is, why I trust him and why I love him hasn't even faded. (We're only 5 years in, though, admittedly.)

Yeah, I get frustrated sometimes. We disagree. I like the way we work through those kinds of things, though.

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

So why change anything at all? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[–]hotcaulk1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I agree with some Red Pill stuff. Where I tend to veer away from it is how set in stone gender roles can be within that community. I offered my relationship as an example where Red Pill philosophies have a place, but up to a point. (Example: friends come to me for practical advice, but BF for emotional validation. I'm sure you see the implications for child rearing.)

Does Red Pill have room/commentary for "gender bender" relationships like mine? To put it another way.

[–]redpill771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think there's room for it but there is almost no discussion. The inclination at first would be to identify how your relationship could be better by following a more red pill dynamic. It would surely be suggested that your relationship cannot be stable with the role reversal you have at play, and that you may not see it but you are likely to branch swing.

There may not be a lot of support for you, but I for one would be interested in updates, because it could help me fine tune my understand of the dynamics at play (perhaps a case study of an unemotional autistic lady could provide some interesting insights).

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Does Red Pill have room/commentary for "gender bender" relationships like mine? To put it another way.

Yes. The best RPW advice I can give you is find a good man and follow his lead. It sounds like you have a good man that you are happy with. If he is happy with the current situation, then follow his lead by keeping things the way they are.

[–]hotcaulk0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Did I misunderstand the purpose of this post? I'm not asking for advice. I don't need it, we're happy. I am asking questions in an attempt to understand a perspective I don't necessarily agree with. I mean, I know there is more to Red Pill Women than "he always leads, she always follows."

I thought "the pills" were about acknowledging that different people are better suited for different roles, and we should each fill the role that's fits us best. Red Pill sets those roles based on gender stereotypes, blue pill sets those roles based on each individual's aptitude/ability compared to their partner. Am I getting something wrong, here?

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My comment answers your question all the same.

[–]Exterminatus4Lyfe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well TRP is usually from the perspective of the man, because it gives information that (usually) the man will use. Yes, women would find insight from this info, but maybe not too much as few people like being told truths about their group that they dislike (e.g. the black pill is really that you need to change yourself).

The reason gender roles are so relied upon is that most people will always conform to gender roles in most things, and it's a more universal kind of advice.

"Judge people by their individual aptitude" is a wonderful ideal, until 90% of people can't handle the fact that they're never going to be in the top 10%, they'll never be famous or rich. Of course people are never going to be happy with the "you're not really that special compared to the other 100 million in the country", which is why the blue pill descends into lies to compensate (e.g. everyone is special and has unique worth).

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which is why the blue pill descends into lies to compensate (e.g. everyone is special and has unique worth).

Do we/they? (I think I'm purple pill but get called blue.) Myself and the feminists I role with tend to view stereotypes as guidelines. Red Pill appears to treat them as set in stone. I recognize statistical patterns amongst gender guidelines. I wrestled in high school as a female, I recognize the advantage they had in developing muscle density, upper body and core strength. The guys recognized that the legs were the exception to that rule. You can be blue pill and acknowledge that stuff.

[–]diffdedbed1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

Ok since I'm a bit drunk and bored...

Lets hear some TRP feedback. I'm a swinger. This means other men fuck my wife while I fuck theirs. I've been doing this for ... er 15ish years.

90% of the women I've had sex with are 5-15 years younger than my wife. I'm the one that got her to do it.

I've had sex with playboy models, stippers, and many with PhD's, no fatties though.

So how beta am I? When is my wife going to branch swing? When is it all going to fall apart?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've had sex with playboy models, stippers, and many with PhD's, no fatties though.

Maybe dial in the troll a bit? It was working well. Don't blow a good thing.

[–]diffdedbed-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

100% true.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

You two have an agreed upon dynamic that works for you. I don't need to dig into the details - you must trust each other deeply.

It's not what I'd pursue but I'd find it silly to say because other men fuck your wife there must be a problem. Consent is king and it's crystal clear there's no power dynamic forcing either of you to "accept" it. Mutual trust is the only underpinning of a relationship.

Sounds like the ship runs according to captain and first mate's orders.

[–]krowitz2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

If it is how you described, why does it matter?

[–]diffdedbed0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm curious as I'm often called a cuck while having a fantastic sex life by people claiming to be RP. I'm not really concerned.

[–]krowitz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see. Well, I won't. We don't judge. Hell we don't even say it out loud we are RP. RP or not, there will be haters, so there's that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You do you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

There's a lot of factors at play here, but essentially, she has your providership while having unrestricted access to alpha seed, it's a great set up for her.

[–]diffdedbed0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

alpha seed

Its a rare day that shes got the better deal.

I should add, what are their wives getting then? More alpha seed?

[–]odaklanan_insan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

She wouldn't wanna fuck other men if she saw you as her alpha. If you get better women than her anytime, she would see you as her alpha. This is why your story doesn't add up.

[–]trpcounsel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Correct. His wife looks at the other women he's fucking as lower value than her, and the men she fucks as higher value than him. She gets to fuck up, while he fucks down.

Edit: How can this be tested? Go an extended period of time ONLY having sex with women hotter than your wife and watch her freak the fuck out.

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Yeah, but it sounds like he’s implying she gets the raw end of the deal (heh).

Only thing I can offer is that commenter is a man at her ‘alpha ceiling,’ where his wife’s relative ambience of men tops out at damn near his own SMV. No obvious branch swing, provisioning met, and human lust for novelty slaked on all counts.

It’s a take on married redpill that most would balk at, but hey, let the Normcores weep and wail and self-flagellate.

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[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Western canon

Like as in what was western canon for 1500 years being the Catholic Church? Or the other 500 years since the reformation? What is the standard here?

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Barely anyone reads, get use to it.

I love the Western Canon, shoutout to Mr Bloom.

I'd say most smart modern men know that the university's have completely fucked the arts and shit.

It is nicer to teach a man a productive skill set then telling him to write poems for the rest of life in poverty. Sure, people can choose "artsy" lives, but for 99.999% of men, they just want to provide for their family. Who the fuck are you to say they are wasting their lives.

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No, come back..

We were having soo much fun...

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

This:

Western canon

is no longer a component of this:

liberal arts and education

And because the great works of our ancestors are no longer respected, let alone taught, in liberal arts programs, people frequently ridicule those programs.

Here's a video making an argument that you should read the classics. I doubt many here would disagree with anything this man says. Take that as evidence that our problem is not with the books or their ideas, but with the new ideas that leftists have replaced them with.

[–]hyperrreal1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

lol the Western Canon is absolutely still a component of a liberal arts education. Even people in gender studies programs read Hegel, Nietzsche, etc.

What is your degree in?

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You are a moron.

[–]hyperrreal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

rude tbh

[–]modRedForEducation0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ssh, he wants to believe.

Then she may touch his dick

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

We should have clarified that any questions asked need to be phrased in English.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

"It should be possible to explain the laws of physics to a barmaid."

  • Ernest Rutherford.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Rompers. Do barmaids wear depends?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only after I'm done with them.

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[–]DigitalDragonSlayer2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

My challenge is about TRP & nihilism. And I’ve read a ton of “enjoy the decline” type of posts/responses with plenty of rationale-backed arguments that leave me little room to respond or debate.

My request is to not expand on this connection, but if you could play devil’s advocate against the case for nihilism, I’d like to see that in response to this comment.

Thank you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It seems every previous generation viewed the current crop as a "decline", using their standard operating practice as the peak of civilization, when in fact it's simply familiarity and incongruency with change.

There's evidence that we're not in decline, looking at infant mortality, life expectancy, violent deaths, war etc.

Media at our fingertips 24/7 does a great job of convincing people the worlds falling apart, amplifying our exposure to negative media.

Others say its neither a decline nor an incline but rather a natural process of evolution. It is what it is.

Neither in my opinion is "TRP", the more important part of the statement is meant to emphasize making the most of your situation regardless of the external climate.

[–]Joshua_Pectorals1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Enjoy the decline is a weak defeatist self help book for weak defeatist individuals. A lot has been written on European Nihilism in the west but the best way to put it is Nietzsche's quote, "God is dead." Without getting too complex, essentially what this means is a loss of meaning for life and any justification for living. Hence why we see Aaron Clarey advocates for suicide if things get too hard.

In the past there were traditional institutions for people to go to to realize their meaning, but these have since vanished, and were replaced by opiates (porn, TV, mcdonalds etc..) to numb and distract from the pain of modern existence.

So we're in a predicament here. Julius Evola endorses a position of "self-transcendence" and complete revolt against the modern bourgeois world (The source of nihilism). I'd start with his Ride The Tiger.

I'm currently working through it right now and it's a challenge. Definitely not for the modern man. But if you feel there is something deeply wrong with nihilism and the world today, you should give it a try. You might need some help getting through it, if only there was someone on this very forum that taught people these books hmmmm..

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

defeatist

What are you fighting and what are you trying to win?

[–]Joshua_Pectorals0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Defeat the modern world (liberal society) or The Matrix (false reality), these are essentially the same thing. Both need to force you into a false reality in order to exist.

First defeating the culture distorter AKA America which destroys everything traditional for the sake of profit. The good news is that it's on its last limbs. After the collapse start building a traditional society.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

America which destroys everything traditional for the sake of profit

wot? So America gets a bad wrap for being puritanical, yet somehow it's leading the degeneracy? And just for money? This is a country that still outlaws prostitution in 49 of 50 states and severely limits it in that last one. This is the country that lost its mind when someone showed a millisecond of nipple at a televised football game. I think you haven't started your hunt in the right place.

Nevertheless, you still haven't told me what you are trying to win.

[–]DigitalDragonSlayer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you.

I’m going to reread this response a few times, but lots I like.

Adding Julius Evola to my reading list!

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

play devil’s advocate against the case for nihilism

I'll be honest with you, I'm a bit bothered by the macabre acceptance of so-called decline. If civilization is destined to fail, it (probably) isn't going to completely collapse during our lifetimes - there's probably enough momentum to last at least a generation. But when it does, oh boy is it going to suck. So, people joking about it are basically joking about the misery of innocent people not yet born.

But if you want to play devil's advocate, I would suggest reading Kurzweil (the singularity guy). He makes a good case that we'll be okay. You can also look up a lecture that Steven Pinker gives (there are several versions) about the decline of violence worldwide. This recent article is along the same lines, it makes the case that we've just had the best year ever.

[–]Philhelm-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't like "enjoy the decline" either. I'd rather the people who are ruining the nation/world to be dealt with like the rats that they are.

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"Enjoy the decline" simply means "Enjoy (your life in spite of) the decline". People take these phrases too literally.

[–]DigitalDragonSlayer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you.

I saw Pinker speak about his recent book, Enlightenment Now the other weekend. And it was a great chat with a lot of empirical based evidence about how mankind has/is/will likely (although shouldn’t be taken for granted) is improving over time in just about every measurable metric across life (morality rates, education, wealth, etc.)

Never dove into Kurzweil, but I will add that to my reading list.

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Read Nietzsche.

[–]Gnosiis_23 points24 points  (28 children) | Copy

As a red-pilled man I want to take this opportunity to voice my displeasure about the simple correlation of Liberal = Beta SJW, cuck, etc., and Conservative = Chad, strong etc.

While I can't stand the left's constant sense of victimhood, I really can't stand the right-wing supremacy that goes on in this subreddit. Men with alpha traits come all along the spectrum of right and left. In my experience righties tend to be no-nonsense and rigid, but usually not too bright. (No offense). But from a redpill standpoint it works. However as a liberal I feel my tolerant mindset and community-driven values contribute to society more effectively. Now you could make the argument that self > society but I stand by principle.

Anyways, enough of the right-wing supremacy. It really puts me off when I come back to read up occasionally. Thanks.

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Your displeasure cannot overcome the truth, unfortunately.

[–]JagsDontCare1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Liberals principles are largely socialist which really benefits the female imperative. Hence, Liberals = Cucks, Beta etc.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime29 points30 points  (9 children) | Copy

The red pill does not align itself politically.

In the current climate however, it seems to be incompatible with a larger portion of the left.

It's incompatible with parts of the right too, however I'd argue there's less of a war on masculinity being championed from the right.

The influence of feminism and "toxic masculinity" are factors of the left that greatly influence the sexual market place, masculine identity and sexual strategy and therefore influence the discussion of the red pill far more.

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I agree with you feminism is definitely affecting the SMP. Their imperative is power and control without worry of consequences. Hypergamy is destructive. However, feminists still crave alpha traits no matter how much they squeal. Does the feminist movement really affect YOU personally? How many girls have you missed out on? The feminist movement will lose power when people - particularly strong men - call them out for their deception. As I said it's about power and control, and limiting the amount of beta contact they suffer from, not true equality of the sexes. As my feminist baby-mama says, penis envy is a real thing. I'd actually be fine with a little pussy-power, but as I've seen time and time again, women are not very responsible with power.

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I too am wary of the right wing supremacism. I try to temper against it, but because there're so few comments from a liberal perspective, I find myself thinking: 'well feminism provides a great argument against allowing women to have power' and 'social safety nets are very vulnerable to abuse by single mothers.' I still consider myself a liberal, but I'm becoming skeptical of the efficacy of social programs, because so many people will just leech and not do anything, which is unfair to anyone who pays taxes on income from a job they don't like.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

You realize there's countries other than the US right?

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Nope, just this one.

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To be fair in the US, whats left on the left for men who have their balls?

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[–]Joshua_Pectorals9 points10 points  (12 children) | Copy

The red pill is incompatible with liberal bourgeoisie values, it puts you off because you're still blue pill. Let's look at an intolerant and strong society do you think any of these men would have trouble getting laid or telling their wife what to do? If you don't like white people then let's look at the intolerant Muslims in the middle east, they certainly don't need any help getting sex. Women are attracted to strong men.

Today men living in Western liberal countries you're taught that masculinity is bad, which is essentially symbolically castrating and weakening men. Now men need to go on the internet to find a vagina guide to learn how to stick it in a woman, and even that is becoming too "toxic and hateful" (Red Pill is 1 step away from being deleted). Your liberal petty morality of tolerance and equality got us into this situation, if you can't understand this then it's best to unsubscribe now.

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let's look at the intolerant Muslims in the middle east, they certainly don't need any help getting sex. Women are attracted to strong men.

That's retarded. I'm middle eastern and most men are beta af. They have no issue getting married and the marriage is generally secure with kids and commitment. Dudes do not sleep around more though. You literally have to marry a girl to get pussy, in the west you just have to buy her dinner and be good conversationalist.

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Who the fuck cares if your wife does as you tell her or the trains run on time when it's because you live in a fascist country? I really don't understand you hard right authoritarian fanboys thinking you are the solution to the left wing authoritarian bogeyman.

Literal hitler admirers, lecturing that liberals are why TRP was quarantined... /smh

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I used National Socialist Germany and Middle Eastern Muslim countries as an example of anti-liberal masculine countries that don't need to log on to a fringe corner of the internet to read AlphaAnalGaper66's 10 point guide on how to put your dick in a whore. They know how because they're masculine.

Not sure how it's a bogeyman when the SPLC, Silicon Valley, University, Mainstream Media, Payment Processors, Banks, Politicians, all work in accordance to vehemently supress and eliminate right wing, conservative, red pill views, thus enforcing the blue pill on people. But I guess it's just in my head right?

The SPLC got TRP quarantined out of hate for masculinity and Europeans.

I'd rather live in a fascist country than one that wants you broke, dead, and brainwashed for the color of your skin and being naturally masculine, and I'm sure many others here would too.

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I lived in a fascist country.

All of you guys fantasize about a zombie apocalypse, because you assume your'e not gonna start as zombies.

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I'd rather live in a fascist country

That makes one of us. We have no common ground here.

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I hate feminist ideology. Feminists values are left-leaning, but please don't try to lump us all in neat little boxes like you conservatives tend to do. Don't confuse feminist ideology with liberalism as an ideology. You fail to understand the basic premise of liberalism. What I hope to achieve is to allow everyone the same opportunity. What you do with that opportunity is up to you. Either use it or squander it. No one should be deprived of basic human rights or anything less than their neighbor. Everyone deserves the same starting point. Most of you (in bluepill fashion) will say to "enjoy the decline". Does a leader watch as the world burns around him? Does an alpha man not seek ambition and power in order to put the fire out?

The redpill does not put me off. Right-wing values put me off. I'm a very powerful man in a very powerful position. I can choose to share my power with people who have less than I do, or I can hoard it for myself. Does it make me soft for doing this? Do I lose any power for showing GRACE? Does the right's constant need for safety and security prevent them from doing the same? When I came across theredpill I instantly realized the wisdom of it. I was always good looking but red pill wisdom put me over the top. I'll leave you with this: I'm getting ready to make a very public appearance. You'll know me when you see me. My name is Gnosiis.

[–]Joshua_Pectorals0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

When your main moral values are tolerance, equality, and progress, liberalism quickly turns into feminism and always will.

Women want to murder their babies? Their body their choice! Gays want to get married and have sex with your children? Love is love bigots! Letting a bunch of foreigners outbreed you and destroy your culture? It's good for the economy!

What's happening in Europe and US is absolutely degenerate and disgusting. My goal is to accelerate the decline by allowing more liberalism so it will collapse the country and something beautiful can be built after.

[–]Tarmyniatur-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Letting a bunch of foreigners outbreed you and destroy your culture? It's good for the economy!

Thinking you belong to a certain geographical area just because you were born here and trying to deny others access to your geographical area is such a stupid idea if you think really clearly about it.

Women want to murder their babies? Their body their choice!

This could work in your favor, say you don't want children and accidentally impregnate a chick, do you want to be financially responsible for it?

[–]odaklanan_insan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Abortion is salt feminism, it doesn't represent leftism. The baby should have a chance to live, due to leftism.

[–]rus93843 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

One thing I hate in left movement is political correctness. There are many things I like in it, but political correctness is BS. Also, loom for anarchists. They are left, they are ultra-left, but I don't see how they are betas.

[–]diffdedbed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anarchists who are left are like libertarians who are left, they are doing it wrong. How can you be an anarchist and be pro-government in all aspects of life?

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy

"Sexual strategy is amoral."

I agree it is amoral when everyone fucks each other like no tomorrow in a society. If you fuck a CC rider, this is her desicion too.

But why this motto includes fucking wifes but not rape? Or weird fetishes including pedo-necro-zoo philia?

If you wont explain it well, I will call it hamstering: "I want to do it so it should be amoral"

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

It falls outside of the law and consent(I don't mean in the cringes feminist way). If you're failing to obtain consent, and by association desirability, then it's not congruent with the red pill.

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[–]cdogg752 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

What is this "alt" and "Jw" you keep mentioning in this thread?

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[–]cdogg751 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

obviously not using as many shortforms as you. I don't really understand the need to short form characters to be honest, so I don't do it. The days of the t-9 phone texting are long behind us.

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[–]cdogg750 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LOL...of course

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Aside from the legal questions, some things are just repulsive. Rape is one of them. Look at ducks. They are very rapey. It's just how their species works. On the other hand, humans are usually repulsed by it. There is no moral position here.

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Never mind ducks....look at giraffes. When a bull elk kicks another bull elks ass, that's that. IIRC, often after a giraffe has dominated a weaker giraffe, it's rape time.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Damn, don't go to the giraffe gym.

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Don't go to G-Block either..

[–]CosmicSpiral3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

The point of the epitaph has gone over your head.

"Sexual strategy is amoral" = sexual strategy is dictated by what strategy is successful across a general population over a stretch of time. It may or may be optimal - I'm sure green sea turtles would prefer not to waste 85-90% of their offspring to the whims of the ocean - and it may or may not align with the beliefs of a particular society. If anything, it is antithetical to most of the productive institutions of modern-day life. But it doesn't mold itself to fit those institutions' shibboleths or any individual's prejudices on the topic.

Also TRP doesn't advocate fucking other people's wives.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I did not said anything about if polygyny is bad or not. But fucking a woman in commited relationship and cucking thr husband cant be moral nor amoral.

Fucking a sleeping women is rape, she will hurt when she wake up. Killing is bad too because it is destructive. But why fucking a man's wife is ok. Personaly, I would rather get my ass raped than get cucked by woman I love.

But if anyone shames fucking others wifes, he gets instantly banned. And people say it is amoral. It feels like advocating.

[–]CosmicSpiral0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Rape and murder are nonconsensual acts. When a wife cheats on her husband, it is a consensual act with the third party. It is done without the approval of the husband. TRP concerns itself with why the wife willingly, clandestinely breaks her vows. Adultery isn't illegal so mods have little stake in supervising how other members spend their free time using the forum's principles. A lot of posters are quite homely and proselytize on the joys of the nuclear family.

You seem to have this bizarre presumption that the wife has no autonomy in the matter and TRP teaches men how to bamboozle helpless, ignorant brides into a life of sin. These women choose to betray their husbands' trust and fidelity, consequences be damned.

But if anyone shames fucking others wifes, he gets instantly banned.

For good reason. People who can't read the sidebar, hence failing to respect Rule One, don't get shown mercy.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I bet some people here would use every pua manupulation tactic he knows to fuck a woman even if she is married. Shaming that would get a ban.


"Why you do this?"

"First rule say to do it"

"Why you have sjch a rule?"

Why Rule One is the reason to ban it? "Look at rules" is not an answer.

[–]blackrzyz7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with TRP's most uncontroversial advice: lift and get big.

That's not to say you shouldn't lift, but the emphasis definitely shouldn't be on size. I've seen many a girl fawn over the physique of a ripped and skinny guy, while completely ignoring the jacked guys with a little too much extra bodyfat. Having been in the latter category, I can say my results with women have improved a lot more after losing that chub than after packing on the muscle.

For those of you who would say lift for yourself, I agree, which is why I have been lifting for many years. But unless your goal is to compete in bodybuilding or powerlifting, I'd argue you're a lot better off aiming for athleticism and health than raw numbers. I'm due for a hernia operation not too long from now, which research shows is correlated with heavy lifting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Size is a minuscule aspect of gaming women, there's several other factors that need to align with it in order to be successful.

It's a great intitial indicator of strong masculinity to both women and other men. This can either be squandered or converted.

In my experience, most really big guys lIft out of some form of insecurity, which is not exactly the best approach to gaming women. Having said that, I've seen a lot of big guys with good looking women.

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You're not disagreeing with anything, that's exactly what we say. Telling someone to "lift" doesn't mean you should get on PEDs and devote your life to lifting. It means look better. Become top 10%. That's it. We're not out here giving ourselves hernias.

[–]TheStoicCrane0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nothing wrong devoting your life to lifting if you enjoy it. Makes all the fringe benefis that much easier to acquire.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Can a woman be happy with a guy she cheated?

That guy was a cuck that wait her at home while she ride a bull for once. Will her forget this or will this stay permanently in corner of her mind while she thinks him.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Does he still have a wallet? Yes? Then he still has value to her, just not the value he should want to be for her.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

This is a hypothetical question. They dont like these at asktrp, I asked here.

She can stay for money. But can she be happy if she stops fucking around and have sex with him only?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When are women ever happy?

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Feeling secure and loved/well fucked. I wonder if she will always see the man as cuck.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

hypothetical question

Oh, riiiight....

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Have fun incel

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Have fun, hypothetical cuck ;)

[–]rus93840 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If hypergamy theory is true, yes. If false, the answer is unknown. Science tells us that women's preferences are different during various stages of their cycle. This leads to an old Marx's theory that women are promiscuous. I actually don't believe that women are consistent in their preferences even for what they count as alpha traits.

[–]notmainacct2780 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with TRP's most uncontroversial advice: lift and get big.

That's not to say you shouldn't lift, but the emphasis definitely shouldn't be on size. I've seen many a girl fawn over the physique of a ripped and skinny guy, while completely ignoring the jacked guys with a little too much extra bodyfat. Having been in the latter category, I can say my results with women have improved a lot more after losing that chub than after packing on the muscle.

For those of you who would say lift for yourself, I agree, which is why I have been lifting for many years. But unless your goal is to compete in bodybuilding or powerlifting, I'd argue you're a lot better off aiming for athleticism and health than raw numbers. I'm due for a hernia operation not too long from now, which research shows is correlated with heavy lifting.

[–]Vellore9923 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

What's with RPW and why does it exist?

Do you think that men can give relationship advice to women while keeping the female sexual strategy front and centre? ie should the fish be teaching the fisherlady how to fish?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's a interesting problem with getting RP advice, from a woman's perspective. And that problem is: who exactly can be regarded as an expert?

For men trying to seduce women, this is easy. An expert, to whom you should listen, is a man who has seduced many, many women. He has a track record of success. He knows how to do. So long as he also knows how to teach, you're good to go.

But female mating success is creating a good, lasting relationship.

So who's the expert?

A man who has seduced many women? He might know a lot, but he's a fish in this context.

A woman who has been in one very successful relationship for all of her adult life? Well, she succeeded, but she has only one data point.

A woman who has been in lots of relationships? She's a failure.

The best answer, although it's still not as good, is "multiple examples of all of the above". The men are a source of understanding of sexual dynamics. The successful women are a source for examples of what has worked. The women who failed are a source of examples of what not to do.

There is no one "expert" for women, unless it is someone who has listened to a great many of all of the above, and aggregated some good advice.

[–]1Kurush5590 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its mostly women giving advice to other women

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This should be fun. Following.

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[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why didn’t you actually respond? Your flair says you’re an active member of that community.

No, I pretty much left during the Great Divorce. I'm more curious to see the guys on trp answer this question.

[–]rus93840 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Boundaries of AWALT?

Obviously, I'd say that lesbians (at least some of them) and asexuals are not covered by this.

But is there a boundary for straight/bi women? That is, we don't say "All men are like this". There actually are many men whose principles are different from TRP principles.

So, if men step in the shit, why women can't?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

We don't say "all men are like this", because we don't say anything about men. We're not trying to seduce men. There may very well be some "this" that all men are like. We just don't care.

By the same token, we don't care about lesbians... at least about the ones with no interest in dudes. Asexuals likewise.

[–]rus93840 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like your response, that is about men not trying to seduce men. It looks like this phrase can be a good peacocking. Seems like it's exactly that stuff RP men do like in women. I mean AWALT stuff. (no sarcasm)

[–]CosmicSpiral2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

But is there a boundary for straight/bi women?

Be more specific.

AWALT is about recognizing the primary motivations that drive women's sexual preferences and decision-making, not whether they follow them regardless of circumstance. Innate urges don't have to be followed as long as other incentives are sufficiently enticing i.e. fear of social ostracization, praise and respect from other members of the community, relative security from negative consequences, positive externalities stemming from chaste behavior, moral principles derived from experience or environment, etc.

That is, we don't say "All men are like this". There actually are many men whose principles are different from TRP principles.

You do, just not in a concrete fashion. It is known subliminally that men's sexuality is visually oriented, that they value beauty along a gradient and respond more eagerly/invest more emotionally as the scale slides towards higher estimates, and they possess some vestigial instinct that compels them to protect and comfort women over other men. This is why women cry to gain sympathy, lie about sexual abuse, and wear revealing clothing despite all the consternation about unworthy randoms salivating over their body.

Principles are either outwardly expressed byproducts of social conditioning or internalized norms. It is a separate topic altogether.

So, if men step in the shit, why women can't?

AWALT =/= moral condemnation. There are different consequences for men who indulge in the same behavior, except the ramifications manifest as externalities rather than personal unhappiness.

[–]rus93840 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

AWALT is something like an optimal strategy for a woman. Being a lesbian seems not to be an optimal strategy, right? I don't understand why being a hetero/bi automatically imply an optimal strategy. In fact there are guys with weird preferences. Not many, for sure. I certainly heard a debate between a self-called 'feminist' and a youtuber where she argued women have no vaginal orgasm at all. And that she'd have a vaginal sex with a guy only on holidays. Seems like a violation of AWALT.

[–]CosmicSpiral1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

AWALT is something like an optimal strategy for a woman.

If everything shakes out, AWALT priorities (what you really mean is Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks strategy = strategic pluralism in evolutionary biology) lead to an optimal scenario for gaining and raising children. Note this is ideal in the abstract sense of guaranteeing the best offspring are nurtured in the best environment. This doesn't equate to optimal conditions for long-term fulfillment, security, or material gain for the woman herself.

Being a lesbian seems not to be an optimal strategy, right?

It wouldn't be by definition.

I don't understand why being a hetero/bi automatically imply an optimal strategy.

Optimal sexual strategy is about behavior that leads to successful mating, not preference.

In fact there are guys with weird preferences. Not many, for sure.

Hence why they are few in number.

I certainly heard a debate between a self-called 'feminist' and a youtuber where she argued women have no vaginal orgasm at all. And that she'd have vaginal sex with a guy only on holidays. Seems like a violation of AWALT.

AWALT and common sense are two different things lol.

[–]FindWittyName0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

morals and dignity aside. How do you get woman to cheat, how do you get them away from their boyfriend. how do you make them loose interest in their current relationship.

I bring this question up because I live in Wisconsin. In a small city where every girl I know is already in a relationship. And I feel like being better, working out and socializing just isn't enough to get them away from the BF.

[–]blackedoutfast2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

by being better than her boyfriend in important ways and giving her something that she isn't getting from him. usually it's that exciting alpha sexiness. she's seen her boyfriend at his worst, being weak, supplicating, predictable, etc.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You need to create a spark and follow that arc until she's emotionally overwhelmed by the attraction and "it just happens." key to this is not coming off aggressive at first but gradually escalating over the course of the night. Cheat bangs happen over one night or over a drawn out period where she gives in, but the latter means she's trying to branch swing.

[–]lagerea1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This makes a lot of sense, my girl and I do the threesome thing with other girls and they always turn out to be in a relationship already, it's a one and done each time and we keep asking ourselves why, then find out they have a dude.

[–]Electra_Cute1 point2 points  (22 children) | Copy

How do you know what you are reading on here(The Red Pill) is true?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because I tested it before I wrote it, and then I tested it again by hearing the results achieved by those who learned from me.

The TRP that you see written on the internet is less than half the actual phenomenon. The majority of takes place in the experiences of individual students when they test all this stuff in the field. This part is not accessible to anyone who isn't trying it (and thus, it's not accessible to women at all).

This is why I don't really spend much time justifying or "proving" TRP to non-participatory observers anymore. I don't really care if they believe me or not. They don't have any skin in the game. So I tend to ignore them or toss out flippant answers, toy with them, and chuckle as they rage at my refusal to engage in whatever debate they were expecting.

Because ultimately, they are not my intended audience, and, moreover, they never CAN get it, because they're never going to go out and do it. They're never going to understand what it looks and feels like put into practice.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I apply three filters to my TRP reading:

  1. Does this match the majority of my own observations?

  2. Does this match the majority of other men’s experience?

  3. Is this consistent from a basic evolutionary perspective?

Everything on TRP is often colored (some would say “tainted”) with bitterness or anger, but anything that passes my filters deserve my full attention.

[–]JagsDontCare0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because it’s principle based. Anything opposite is largely unsound and manipulative and essentially built on sand. TRP is consistent always because it accepts the reality of it all rather the hypothetical or illusion.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because I wrote it.

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[–]Proto_Sigma0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

7 out of 10 the butterfly should have been a redpill.

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm working with limited resources okay?!

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[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because if you apply it, it works. There's no better proof

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[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're not wrong but the analogy is inappropriate. Fitness works many ways, yes. Sexual strategy can SEEM TO "work" for awhile, but many men find their relationships become miserable for mysterious reasons (if they can even hit that level of success).

We are espousing a way of thinking that dissolves the mystery and leaves workable, actionable results on a consistent basis. Moreover a man gets to do what he wants with the toolbox, we're not saying there's one way to live. There's just what works and what doesn't.

[–]rus93841 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many if not most advices here come as early as from 00's and probably even earlier. No one can ensure you this is the best strategy so far if you are resistant or sceptical enough. Maybe some machiavellian guys are even better, but their machiavellian nature does not let them reveal their methods.

I notice that TRP is not simply a guide like "do X and get a girl". There are controversies. Ones tell that the truth of life is that "you are not hers, it's simply your turn". Others say this rule is for losers. Same with other theories. Some rules and advices I consider to be a BS. Many are obvious, though. But some are useful.

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because I heard redpill advice on diffrent places and diffrent languages It is consistent as long as there are women involved.

[–]krowitz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How would I know it is not?

[–]nodepostgres0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Much of TRP wisdom is based on personal experiences and anecdotal evidence. It shouldn't be accepted blindly as truth and I doubt that most people here approach it that way.

I view TRP as more of a toolset. I read, experiment, and figure what does and doesn't work for me. I wouldn't know unless I tried it out for myself.

[–]beachredwhine[🍰] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Why would anyone ever lie anonymously online?

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

[–]sivarias-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shits and giggles. Trolling. Look at 4chan's history of pranks to see why.

[–]passepar2t0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy

How long does the average user even hang out here? Yes, you've got your Gay Lube Oils whose goal is to sell enough t-shirts to afford the rent and maybe the odd synthol injection; and the Arch Wingers, who have to have the upvotes to make up for only ever being with like 1.5 women but surely this place would be better off as a sidebar and maybe half an asktrp. I've never seen such circlejerking and I post on PPD.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

What are you talking about? PPD gets far more posts and comments in a day than TRP. Topics are strictly controlled by the mods to keep it from drifting. This is far less an image-board (think the chans or SA) and far more an orderly forum (like the Roman one).

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[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

pttptppt You take us so seriously.

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Missed opportunity for a "you are what you eat" joke.

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I stick around because there's nowhere else near as active that I can consistently hear positive male advice and experience. Any other places that offer advice to men is watered-down propaganda at best, feminist at worst. TRP even rarely bans anyone. It's good to come back and refresh material as well - swords require sharpening daily.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

85% are lurkers and trash who consume and don't apply. 10% apply, find success, post a little, then leave. 5% get it a and also post regularly.

[–]nodepostgres4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've never seen such circlejerking

You don't get around on reddit much, do you?

[–]krowitz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As long as he needs to.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Jesus, is he STILL trying to sell those shirts ?

He started that 4 years ago. Don't tell me he's still trying to monetise his contribution to RP that way.

GLO, move on. There must be a better way than this.

[–]buartha1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Have you seen what BPP is charging for his life coaching sessions?

Guys, paypal me a fiver and I'll happily tell you that your wife doesn't like fat guys and that not being a useless lump around the house makes you more attractive.

[–]modRedForEducation0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And you can paint a nicer painting than Jackson pollack...

yet, still no exhibit in the moma... why?

[–]ProFriendZoner11 points12 points  (12 children) | Copy

Any progress on the quarantine? I think it's funny that on the side of the page it says "This community is quarantined: It is dedicated to shocking or highly offensive content."

Seriously?

It's shocking to tell a guy to lift, get his shit together (and how to do it), and how to be a man that women want to be around?

Highly offensive content?

Some woman can show her coochie or even a video or a woman having sex and all of the comments from thirsty beta's are NOT highly offensive?

I'm missing something here I just know it.

So, is anything going on or is there anything we can do to end it?

Oh, and what's PPD?

[–]WarViper133714 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would imagine TRP will remain forever quarantined unless there is a drastic change in leadership over at reddit HQ. We haven't broken any rules and this sub reddit is very heavily policed by our mods for content. However we go against the feminist imperative and Reddit is not a very profitable company. They need outside investors and they only way to get them to sign on is appear as feminist friendly as possible.

[–]beachredwhine[🍰] 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy

u / PurplePillDebate used to be a sub to debate between the blue pill and the red pill but now it's got a ton of whiny incels who migrated over after their sub got trashed for constant threats of rape and violence. There are a lot of rules that were put in place to shut them up, but much like that annoying little brother that won't leave you alone they won't go away.

Their theory is that only people born with the ability to get a girlfriend (normies) can ever get one and that no matter how much self improvement they do and how many girls they ask out they will never be able to get a girlfriend.

Both red and blue pills are united in despising these guys. So now the sub is a combination of false debate posts that are really just thinly veiled insults towards other members or so called "black pillers" (incel losers) claiming constantly that 80% of men are like them so it's all hopeless. Don't encourage them to commit suicide though that's against reddit sitewide rules.

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[–]randomTATRP0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

why isn't this comment deleted?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In this thread, we are taking steps to ensure that automod doesn't get overzealous.

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Why would it be?

[–]modRedForEducation0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

We go above and beyond to enforce reddit TOS. This includes any perception of brigading. So we ban all references to other threads directly.

Use archive.is or screenshots.

And yes, it's not granular, so it blocks everything from the domain

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Oh okay but a link to the sub is okay?

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Anything that links to anything Reddit wide is a no. If it's something more than a one word quip, mods can override it, but we have a policy of not making exceptions.

I personally don't trust our userbase enough to do so.

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Thanks I'm not good at reddit

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[–]beachredwhine[🍰] 4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy

Do you guys hate the whiny helpless incel brigade as much as the rest of us?

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Fairly strong emotion to have over online words.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your answer

EDIT: whoopsie, fat fingered SAVE.

Anyway, I don't hate anyone. As I pointed out earlier today, there are two sorts of incels we so. Those that want to fix themselves and they are welcome. Then there are those that want to burn the world down because they think the world hates them. I really don't like that second crew around here.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't hate anyone.

Help-resistant complainers can, however, be somewhat annoying.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I generally don't try to engage anymore because in my experimentation my n count was high enough to conclude they don't want to try.

I don't hate them though. Fixing their problem would be pretty simple for most of them. The emotion I feel is pity

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What's our problem and what's the simple fix

[–]1Ill_Will70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually experiment with what you read. See if approaching women and getting rejected leads you quicker to getting pussy or quicker to going back to being an incel

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not you. You're hopeless

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Ah so big talk and no follow through, what else is new with you RP guys lmao

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

my n count was high enough to conclude they don't want to try.

Wat

Have you been fucking incels or something?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't hate them. I feel sorry for them.

[–]beachredwhine[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Happy cake day

[–]ImaginaryBox1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy

What valuable takeaways can a gay guy take out of TRP? Besides lifting and maximizing appearances. I thoroughly enjoy the content of this sub, just don't know what things are and aren't applicable from here in life.

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Submissive femininity responds to masculinity regardless of gender

[–]DigitalDragonSlayer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ahh. So this is why butch dykes pull cute chicks?

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

A phenomenon I noticed: gay men and trans females lurking RedPillWomen to learn the nuts and bolts of feminine behavior. It was interesting to see them far more interested in femininity than the average straight young woman.

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Gay men and trans females are probably more confused and/or interested in femininity compared to the average straight young woman for whom it's not a mystery.

[–]1Kurush5591 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Tbh trans women are more likely to want to be and appear feminine than your average woman - notice how theyre always glammed up?

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They're more likely to have to glam to appear as feminine as the average woman! Some are exceptional at it, I imagine it has a lot to do with where they're at/how they respond to hormone treatments as well as individual effort at hair, clothes, and makeup. Honestly in the age of YouTube tutorials anybody who wants to look femme can.

One of my more girly hobbies has many trans women participants. My absolute favorite conversation is when they figure out glam = high maintenance to men, it shocks more than I thought it would honestly. Vetting from the other "team's" side is a great conversation.

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What do you mean by the following?

My absolute favorite conversation is when they figure out glam = high maintenance to men, it shocks more than I thought it would honestly.

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Well I worded it badly because I was in a hurry but I should've said "glam = high maintenance to SOME men."

What I mean by it is a trans woman, no matter how short the actual time span is, spends 100% more time growing up male than a cis woman. So it's interesting that they act surprised at this. It's my favorite conversation with them because of the irony involved. Also because if you're glam you're never gonna make some guy looking for "cool girl" happy, and he's going to make you miserable too. Take your glowy skin and shiny hair elsewhere where it will be appreciated minus some "JuSt WeAr JeAnS aNd a PoNyTaIl!" guy's n-count notch.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Probably nothing.

By all means read if you find it interesting, but I would be quite surprised if any of this material had any relevance for homosexuals.

We made an "altTRP" for gay guys, once, as an experiment, but it fizzled, because gay guys don't need one. Picking up men, apparently, is as easy as falling off a log.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dudes want to fuck. Alt TRP would be quasi female sex strategy on making gay relationships work. My old roommate should teach

[–]GlobalAsshat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So do women.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hard to really say. Most of us dont know what arouses gay men.

We learned that women respond to very different behaviors than what they say. We compared notes and TRP was born

Hope that helps

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

There is an “altTRP” for gay guys but I’m a zero on the Kinsey Scale so never visited it nor do I know how active it is.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I typo'd asktrp once and it autocorrected to that. I commented in a couple threads, but I was very confused until I looked at the sidebar.

[–]ruda_31 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

I'm a girl and I've been reading TRP for a long time. So, I have a two questions TRP: how can I, as a girl who is aware of TRP and just wants to enjoy and fuck without drama, make it easier for ya'll?

Two: how do you feel about girls knowing/learning/reading TRP?

[–]Proto_Sigma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, your hypergamous instincts help propagate and strengthen the species, so feel free to keep up with them. /r/RedPillWomen as mentioned by others is probably good for maximizing your long term sexual strategy.

If you want to make fucking better just keep yourself as attractive as possible and as long possible. Avoid scenarios that would damage your mental health or sexual desirability. Keep your shit together and expect men to keep their shit together.

If your partner is red pill aware and is starting to act beta, and if you're feeling nice, just call him out on it and nip that in the bud before it starts causing problems.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

how can I, as a girl who is aware of TRP and just wants to enjoy and fuck without drama, make it easier for ya'll?

I'm assuming what you want to be is a "plate", i.e. have sex with different guys on a "no commitment" basis. If that's the case you need to find a RP or RP type guy and explain it to him that you're self aware, and you just want to bang and that's it. So either a guy who gets laid a lot already or a "low-drama" guy (older might be one way; one reason my OLTR sticks around is that I am no-drama, never get jealous or angry, etc.)

If you want an exclusive LTR without drama then don't nag, and basically agree to fuck the guy until his dick is black and blue. I'd also say "learn to express what you want or mean" instead of that thing that girls do where they say one thing but mean another. Women don't often understand that they are the "emotional fireplace" in the home and that they set the mood. If a man does well at home, he will do better for his family out in the world, so send him off to work with a full belly and empty balls and he will be a champion.

how do you feel about girls knowing/learning/reading TRP?

It's both good and bad. To the extent that it makes them more self-aware, it's good, to the extent that it makes their hamsters spin out, it's bad.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

How do you feel about girls knowing/learning/reading TRP?

We made an entire subreddit for women on the internet (/r/RedPillWomen). The women in my life learn to understand TRP, even if not by name.

how can I, as a girl who is aware of TRP and just wants to enjoy and fuck without drama, make it easier for ya'll

This tells me that while you may be aware of TRP, you don't actually get it, because just going out and fucking and having a good time is contrary to your long-term happiness. It is literally the worst thing you can do, you'd be better off sitting at home getting fat and doing nothing.

But if you're going to insist on doing it anyway, see me at a bar, and want to have sex with me, just walk over and buy me a drink. I'll take it from there if I'm interested.

[–]ruda_31 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't claim total understanding, nah. That's what I'm reading here for. I've just stepped off the mental circus that is feminism, shaking off all the old kneejerks. Any advice/articles to point me?

[–]Proto_Sigma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most advice here is directed at men trying to get into the panties of you and other women, so perhaps not the most practically useful advice for someone in your position. That said, much of the sidebar is useful- I'd recommend it to anyone and everyone. The 'Hjernevask' documentary series linked on the sidebar is especially good.

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[–]TRP VanguardWhisper7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

how can I, as a girl who is aware of TRP and just wants to enjoy and fuck without drama, make it easier for ya'll?

If you're looking for how to build a good LTR, RedPillWomen is probably your best resource, although the percentage of users who are actually qualified to give advice is much smaller than here.

If you're just looking for good, trouble-free hookups, it's not really that hard. Just avoid thirsty guys who will cling.

Two: how do you feel about girls knowing/learning/reading TRP?

Several of my girls read everything I write on this account. S'no problem. TRP is like makeup... it works even when people know you're wearing it.

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're looking for how to build a good LTR, RedPillWomen is probably your best resource, although the percentage of users who are actually qualified to give advice is much smaller than here.

Jesus fucking Christ.

[–]_anothergumnut_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're looking for how to build a good LTR, RedPillWomen is probably your best resource

lol

[–]redbossman1232 points3 points  (33 children) | Copy

What do you say to someone who's main fear of actually trying to get laid is becoming a victim of #metoo? Vic Mignogna just had this happen to him, and generally that shit ruins lives, so how does someone get over the fact that there is a movement to accuse men of things which aren't what they say they are?

Another question is generally, should men generally avoid girls who are taller than them? Something I've wondered for a while actually.

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Another question is generally, should men generally avoid girls who are taller than them? Something I've wondered for a while actually.

If it's a matter of you not thinking she will like you because you're shorter, you won't know until you talk to the girl. I have fucked taller girls I'd have at first thought would only want someone taller. Some girls just wanna fuck, and don't care about shit like that.

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[–]SavingMasculinity0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah cause some women are gold digging whores. And thus will accuse you once they know you can pay up.

Vile bitches.

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This is a good answer. I may steal it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Use common sense and know that Metoo is a scarecrow for betas. Its women opting out of obligatory sex with losers. They still chase alpha cock very aggressively

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

Let aside the chances of having it happen to you are incredibly low anyways, you can virtually decrease them to zero if you follow two simple rules:

  1. Don't stick your dick into crazy.

  2. Don't kiss and tell.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It does

[–]CainPrice9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Quit buying into the internet manosphere hysteria. Normal guys trying to pick up a normal girl in a bar are in no danger of getting into legal trouble. Normal guys having a hook-up with a normal girl are in no danger of being ruined.

If you're a celebrity, a politician, or a woman's boss and you try to hit on her, that's a different story. But if you're just some dude from Tinder or a bar, and a girl isn't going to face any social fallout from fucking you because you're not in her life and don't know her co-workers or friend circle, you're fine. She'll enjoy the sex and see you again if it was good, or not see you again if it sucked.

Normal guys who have consensual hook-ups with women have very little to worry about regarding rape accusations. If you're some random dude who isn't a celebrity, politician, co-worker, or part of a girl's social circle, and she had a discrete hook-up with you and nobody in her work or social circles knows that she's a casual sex girl, you're fine. If anything, accusing you of rape would put her casual sex habit into a more public light.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seconding this it's false rape Hysteria

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Metoo is easy. If the cops show up, say NOTHING. NOTHING.

Here's what cops have to prove: 1) that you had sex and 2) the girl at some point (like later, after she changed her mind) believed there was no consent. #2 is easy as pie to prove because every jury will just believe the woman, but without #1, they aren't taking it to trial and they have no proof because no one does a rape kit when there was consent.

So here's what most dumbass guys say when questioned by the cops. I had sex with her but there was consent. Dumbass, you just gave them #1 when they had no proof. Had you not opened your mouth, there'd be no trial, no nothing. But you had to give them #1. And #2 is in the bag.

So shut the fuck up. Don't say one word. Just say I don't want to talk with you, I want to talk to my lawyer to protect my constitutional rights. Then shut the fuck up. Your chance of there even being a trial is zero. DO NOT admit to even knowing the girl. Once they realize they have to prove everything, they'll move on to an easier case, because without proof of sex, their case is sunk from the start and they will not bother.

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I support this advice. I'd just like to add that most of the damage done from a false accusation isn't legal, but social. Being labeled a rapist totally destroys your reputation. This happened to me a few months ago and I lost 90% of my social circle, many of whom were childhood friends. Also, people are fucking stupid and vindictive. They want to earn points with the in-crowd by destroying another person's life without a shred of evidence. Because people are stupid and vindictive, I don't how this will affect me moving forward. I'm more concerned about building a life I could be proud of just to have it fall apart again than I am going to jail. There is a .0001% chance of that happening (jail).

And because I agree with your advice, I handled the situation by saying nothing even though I wanted to do the complete opposite. I contacted a lawyer who told me to shut the fuck up and move on with my life.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

What do you say to someone who's main fear of actually trying to get laid is becoming a victim of #metoo?

This is a valid question that comes up quite often.

The answer is to realize that despite the amount of casual sex they are having, most girls aren't falsely accusing guys of sexual assault. It's not nearly as common as the internet would have you think. Women aren't interested in reporting you to the police, they're interested in "good vibes". Girls just want to have fun.

And, for what it's worth, the uncommon girl who is capable of falsely accusing you of rape is more likely to do so if you make her feel uncomfortable by being disingenuous with your actions rather then escalating as she is pretty much expecting, even if she ultimately rejects you when you make your move.

Stop reading all that MGTOW shit about rape accusations, they blow everything out of proportion. In fact, stop reading MGTOW at all. You have better things to do with your time.

Another question is generally, should men generally avoid girls who are taller than them?

No. Just make sure you are strong enough to pick them up/move them around.

[–]redbossman1231 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

I used to read MGTOW before I realized a lot of it was defeatism rather than actually trying to be a political movement to repeal the gynocentric laws on the books. I think that what you're saying is rather good for my state of mind, it's just that right now, I'm mainly stuck saving fucking Reddit comments because before anything, I need to start lifting, and I have absolutely shit amount of self-motivation to start other than to not get diabetes and to get laid. That plus I've always been better following a written diet plan along with lifting before I got to where I am now.

I think why people blow rape allegations out of the window is the fact that if the literal personification of Chad that is Christiano Ronaldo can get falsely accused of rape, what stops Joe Schmoe from getting accused?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

I have absolutely shit amount of self-motivation to start other than to not get diabetes and to get laid.

That's as good a motivation as any. No one likes lifting when they start, and everyone has some stupid reason they stick with it. Usually it's women.

But after just a couple of weeks you'll see a change in the mirror and that itself will motivate you to keep going. For me it was seeing my traps grow after I learned to deadlift. It took just two weeks.

if the literal personification of Chad that is Christiano Ronaldo can get falsely accused of rape, what stops Joe Schmoe from getting accused?

Nothing. It's a big problem that it is allowed to happen at all.

But you asked how you can practically get over that fear when escalating. You just have to ignore it. Ultimately there is nothing you can do to defend yourself against a mattress carrier, but it's kind of like there's nothing you can do if a plane's wings come off mid-flight yet you still have no problem flying Delta to the Bahamas every year.

But I disagree that this is the reason people blow rape allegations out of the window. More likely it's because reading rage bait is as addictive as watching porn. Looking at memes day after day about how shitty women are is the same as reading /r/TalesFromRetail and /r/ChoosingBeggars. That any of it is true doesn't make it productive to harp on.

[–]TheStoicCrane0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No one likes lifting when they start, and everyone has some stupid reason they stick with it. Usually it's women.

Speak for yourself. I loved lifting since day 1. A good way to get motivation is to go to a nursing home and observe quietly all the old people who struggle to stand up from a f'ing chair.

Had they lifted all their lives and ate well they wouldn't be in that position. Since I love autonomy and would rather get fed to piranha than be an elderly invalid I lift like there's no tomorrow.

[–]redbossman1230 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I get the #metoo stuff now, but one thing I wanna ask is how did you go about a diet plan? I'm the type of person who is going to eat unhealthily unless they have a written list of what they should eat to achieve X goal, did you like write out your meals or something like that? I feel like eating the junk I do at university is a part of why I might not have much motivation, since apparently food can effect emotions and that kinda stuff.

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That which is monitored gets managed.

Download MyFitnessPal and start off by simply tracking the food you eat for a few weeks. The barcode scanner is 90% effective so it’s braindead easy to do. Then say I’m gonna make one healthy meal a week and keep ramping up from there.

I prep my lunches and adjust my dinners to meet my calorie goals. I minimize processed foods as much as possible. It definitely helps mood yet I couldn’t pin that down to exercise or diet alone, it’s a synergy.

I loosely follow IF now. I was very religious about it when I was cutting hard. It helped me stay on the wagon with a feed window.

Chocolate milk is still my eternal weakness

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I love to cook, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.

The important thing when you start is to make sure you are eating enough... plan your meals around some kind of protein, supplement carbs when you need energy, and work in some veggies here and there.

Eventually you will learn what your body needs.

I feel like eating the junk I do at university is a part of why I might not have much motivation

Could be. Try working out while eating more university food. Not the healthiest option for the long term, but you might be surprised by how your outlook changes. Short of eating lots of sugar, and provided I am eating enough, I find hydration is more important for my mental state than the particular protein I eat.

Stop analyzing and just start, dude. You'll figure it out as you go.

[–]redbossman1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks.

[–]Proto_Sigma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also consider finding healthier food at the university. Most places have a salad bar- hard boiled eggs are a great source of protein and dietary fat (and currently compose a good 20% of my diet).

Most of what is served in dining halls is shitty, but be conscious of the best possible choices and make a habit of selecting them. Fruits, veggies, chicken, eggs, etc.

Personal advice, stick with the diet no matter what temptations you see. When I first tried to go on a diet I would get broken by a perceived scarcity dilemma.' I can't quit dessert tonight, they have the good ice cream tonight, they hardly ever have that.' Habits form over time, if you turn something down once it makes it easier the next time, if you take it it gets harder. At this point I see the same ice cream that used to break me about once a week and laugh about it to myself.

[–]1redhawkes5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fear is the mindset killer. That's the goal of this metoo and similar bullshit, to keep you in check.

Those things are specifically targeted selected persons, you or your friend aren't that important. This shit is magnified thru the social media and mass media, that gets repeated over and over again, doesn't really happen in real life. Avoid crazy BPD bitches tho.

The result, generation of wimps scared to talk to women. Weeding out the weak.

should men generally avoid girls who are taller than them?

Always let a woman figure out why she wont fuck you, never do it for her.

[–]redbossman1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've read most of the sidebar before, it's just that I kinda refuse to look at the sub besides this thread since the sexual advice is useless until I start lifting. Other than the obvious shit (too many tattoos in too many blatantly visible places, etc) how does one identify BPD chicks?

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Mood swings, love bombing then withholding and acting cold, gaslighting, self harming etc.

You need to spend some time with them cos those symptoms won't reveal right away.

You should search the sub, there were couple of posts from guys who were trapped into BPD trap.

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mgtow

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[–]William_Howe7 points8 points  (30 children) | Copy

Hello, TRP ECs et al. Why do so many of you find it so difficult to abide by PPD rules that you get permabanned? Seriously, do you know how hard you have to work to get permabanned?

I suspect it's at least partly due to difficulty with cognitively switching from TRP, where you guys obviously spend most of your time, to PPD, which is a very different place, but I am open to hearing other possibilities.

[–]modTheRedPike0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm pretty sure you all hate me. heh But I really was just trying to help.

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[–]TRP VanguardWhisper5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I suspect it's mostly about not caring. TRP teaches how not to give fucks, and how a flippant answer is often better for the speaker in the long run than the most well-reasoned argument.

PPD is really nothing but a flea in the tail of the TRP bear. Nothing serious is happening there, so there's very little reason not to screw around.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

I never post there. Waste of my time. I am willing to help but the guy has to want help and actually be open to it

[–]William_Howe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for providing this valuable perspective.

[–]sublimemongrel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think that's what she is talking about.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never been an issue for me in the time I've been posting there. Some are more ego invested than others and I don't waste time engaging with people dedicated to misinterpretation (to be clear that is some, not all)

[–]WarViper13370 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

No idea. I have only been to the PPD sub a handful of times and never posted there. My guess would be that there are a lot of young angsty men around here that are not afraid to start up an argument.

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A lot of new people come to PPD just like, itching to fight. At least that is what it appears to be when they start going all overly aggro from the get-go and super defensive for little reason, if any.

But some of the terper ECs/older members seem like they are trying to keep up some manospherian caricature type persona. Like they rarely if ever break from it. It's weird. Others come and try to AMOG a lot, which is really annoying and it's like at some point you have to realize that we are used to that shit so geez get a new schtick or something.

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My favorite is that when they bring their pissy and snap for no reason it's always at a female poster. When you ignore it and carry on they try to go all "HYPOAGENCY BOYOS AWALT IN ACTION!!" When really it's just a giant skidmark of misdirected anger phase blathering.

Edit: mobile formatting weirdness

[–]WarViper13370 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I mostly see that type of behavior you describe from the MGTOW community. Like I said though there are a lot of angsty teens around here that have no issues with being assholes on the internet because there are no repercussions for doing so. The mods here do not endorse harassing other sub reddits.

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I would not put what I am describing in the category of "harassing other subs" I do not at all think that occurs. PPD is open to all as long as they abide by the rules, obviously given our subreddit's topics, we rely on terpers participating. But I mean what I described is based off of 3 years of observation at this point, and when I'm talking about newcomers I do not mean just terpers either, that happens with a lot of newcomers regardless of how they identify.

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Edit: I'm misremembering I think I'm thinking of a different sub. Don't listen to me.

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Yes, many many forms of taunting are perfectly legit on PPD as long as it doesn't devolve into incivility or personal attacks. On my main account, I am a snide and impatient piece of shit about 80% of the time, and in four years of participation, I have had one comment deletion and no tempbans.

(I am curious in general about people who get themselves banned from PPD but have never had the chance to ask any of them what the story was; now that you guys have made yourselves available, I'm taking advantage of the opportunity.)

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I fart in your general direction.

[–]William_Howe1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It is remarkably easy to do.

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[–]-TheGreasyPole-3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

When I was modded I was sooooooo disappointed to see I didn't have one single mod note.

I'm condescending as fuck, swear a lot, generally act like an ass half the time, can be snide and snarky... but, nothing.

My behaviour didn't even cause one single blip high enough to register as a mod note in 3 years of active participation.

Yet.... some guys come in and just can't keep to the rules enough to not get banned in their first 24-48 hours.

[–]SteelSharpensSteel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You think that's bad? Try MRP.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm not banned.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

No, you’re an extremely sensible RP poster who comes and contributes within our rules in good faith.

In a reply elsewhere I was actually going to use you as my example of “an EC who consistently posts high quality content to our sub and keeps our rules”.

In your case I wish you’d drop by more often, because we desperately need people who can present/defend RP concepts well in a smart way that makes RP attractive to our lurkers.

It’s hard holding up the temple all on my own, or with only the assistance of a few dumbfucks who are more trouble than their worth.

OK, perhaps that’s unfair. Perhaps we have 3-4 RP posters who can present it well to some level. But we need... and TRP would benefit from.... more guys like you strutting RPs stuff in front of the 2k-3k non-aligned lurkers most of our threads attract. It’d help raise the quality of TRPs intake.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

In your case I wish you’d drop by more often, because we desperately need people who can present/defend RP concepts well in a smart way that makes RP attractive to our lurkers.

I used to post there a lot but an ex-mod decided I was her pet and went full bitch mode on me. Don't have time for that. I will admit I'm much more fond of the new crew, though bigDtard is tiresome in general. Perhaps I should visit more.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Please do. You’re very welcome.

We need people who can debate an RP position well within our rules.

From the viewpoint of the PPD mod team this event was agreed to in the hope we could attract people like you to come back and get a really high quality debate concerning RP going.

[–]modRedForEducation0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Doing a bang up job so far.

[–]Omnidempotent1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy

I know the answer to this is "no", but I am curious to see your reasoning: is it alpha to rape a woman?

[–]SavingMasculinity1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's beta. it means you are't alpha enough for her to consent to sex with you by her choice.

only betas rape women. truly red pilled men don't do that shit, regardless of what our detractors would have you believe.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

TRP is about sexual strategy. Rape is generally considered to be more about power than sex. Therefore, rape is not even on topic here.

[–]diffdedbed1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

considered to be more about power than sex

By feminists. I personally think most rape is about sex. A guys not drugging a woman for power.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

A guys not drugging a woman for power.

Completely removing her agency is not about power? Think again.

Personally, I can't relate to topics like rape, sexbots etc. There has to be a personal connection to feel sexual attraction. Hell when I was a teen I couldn't even continue masturbating if my hand fell asleep; I'd have to fix it before continuing.

[–]diffdedbed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Completely removing her agency is not about power? Think again.

No I think its about wanting sex and using drugs/alcohol as a way to lower inhibitions or reaction. If rape was just power, I'd expect a lot more straight male rape eh?

[–]ProFriendZoner1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're alpha you don't need or have to rape a woman. They will throw themselves at you. You don't even have to try.

[–]CainPrice4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Raping a woman is something mentally ill loser men who can't get consensual sex do.

The kinds of guys who snap and commit crimes tend to be non-masculine men who have trouble with women.

That really hot, buff guy with well-developed social skills that everyone in the bar seems to like? He's not a rapist. Two or three of those women he's talking to right now would go home if he asked them to get out of here with him. And if not, he has half a dozen girls in his phone he can text to come over.

Those big, strong, confident, cocky, manly, aggressive guys aren't rapists. They have consensual sex partners. It's the timid losers who can't get laid that rape.

If you get caught alone in the parking garage at night after work, it's usually the quiet skinny guy who's been staring at you from two cubicles over and stammering out a hello every couple of days that you talked to that one time at the company party, which he built up in his head as some kind of connection. Then, when he approaches you in that parking garage and stutters and sweats while trying to ask you out on a date, and you gently shoot him down, his world is crushed. You're the closest thing he's had to a female connection in the past 12 months. He gets angry. How can you not feel the way he feels. He snaps. And now you're a rape victim.

If I'm looking out for a creepy rapist, it's never the hot, buff masculine guy. I'm keeping my eye on the scrawny guy with bad social skills.

[–]Onein1024th1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's alpha to push/pull, build tension, and escalate kino and make her want you. It's alpha to be an attractive man of value.

Rape comes from a SpergLord level of frustration with one's own inability to communicate or build attraction; and a misplacement of that frustration on a girl. It's "niceguy syndrome" cranked up to level 11 in the creepiest neediest way possible. (see the niceguy subreddit for examples)

source: I have several Ex-friends on the sex-offender registry

[–]Mr_Teutates5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not only is it not alpha, I would argue that it is completely the opposite. It shows a lack of abundance and a needy desperation.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy

First of all, it's a dumb question because why would an alpha need to rape a woman? If he's an alpha, women want to have sex with him.

But to address your question, no, rape isn't a behavior of somebody with abundance mentality.

Rape is an antisocial behavior that I don't think we really have a classification for with all our alpha, beta, gamma, etc terms.

Maybe Psychopathy?

[–]SavingMasculinity0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The only weird case I can think of is Ted Bundy. Guy seemed like he was attractive enough to do just fine, but he went another way.

Maybe it's because he was 5'10 and not very buff. Had a handsome face though.

[–]hammerhaunts-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Rape is an antisocial behavior that I don't think we really have a classification for with all our alpha, beta, gamma, etc terms.

Antisocial is dark triad, which is 'alpha', so...

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[–]hammerhaunts-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's narcissism, sociopathy and Machiavellian.

Those are all antisocial qualities.

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[–]hammerhaunts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So is Cyanide

[–]PlatoTheWrestler1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

TRP has given me a certain amount of existential anxiety. How do you guys deal with the existential angst that comes along with basically getting laid and just doing you for the foreseeable future?

I have my mission, my passions, but without those traditional ideas of growing old surrounded by loved ones, it feels a bit empty and pointless.

[–]krowitz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It takes time but once you learn to not give a fuck about what others think, you'll be on your way.

[–]JagsDontCare4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Most of those ideas aren’t created by you but rather conditioned in your psyche by people who lack thinking ability. Considering this, as novelty as the idea feels good to try to attain- it doesn’t account for all the current variables that make that pursuit an inevitable crash and burn. It’s our responsibility to adjust because it’s necessary for our survival plus the epiphany is entirely fulfilling once you see everything for what it is. Basically, don’t create your own problems and your problems are often just anxieties of your mind; your mind in this case being fixated on something that is no longer what you want it to be(you were lied to).Change how you approach your thoughts and work with what is actually practical more so then the pipe dream of “I hope it works out” and you’ll get it. Resist it and you’ll lead a life I’d wish on nobody.

[–]PlatoTheWrestler1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow damn, thank you very much for this. I needed to hear this

[–]PimPedOutGeese0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The thing is if that's what your goal is then why aren't you trying to achieve it?

If your mindset is to find "the one" you can just simply vet your prospects.

[–]hyperrreal7 points8 points  (34 children) | Copy

/u/redpillschool can you explain why I was banned here? I've never commented/posted here until right now, and had no intention of ever coming over to participate.

On PPD, there's a perception that TRP is a hugbox in many ways. And doing SJW-style preemptive bans def makes that belief seem more credible.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (17 children) | Copy

We don't have a policy of preemptive bans. I don't know why you were banned. Mod tools are terrible so there's no way to easily look back in time and find out.

My guess is that you did participate, or at least on one of our sister subs.

[–]hyperrreal4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy

My guess is that you did participate, or at least on one of our sister subs.

Nah, you can tell because when you're banned without having ever commented/posted, reddit doesn't send you a ban message via PM.

I had no idea I was banned until one day I noticed the submit sidebars were gone when I was reading a post here. I know a number of people on PPD have had that experience with this forum.

It's an interesting similarity TRP has with a lot of social justice/left leaning subs, where mods also ban people who participate on subs they don't like, or who says things in other forums they disagree with.

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[–]modTheRedPike[M] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Might have happened, but if it did, there would be a message. This is a site process, not a mod process. If it didn't happen, take it up with reddit.

[–]hyperrreal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't say anything about safer bot. I said preemptively banned, which could be automated via a bot or just done ad hoc by human mods.

But it's irrelevant. B/c arguably what you're doing here is worse than the subs using saferbot. At least they are upfront about what they do. They aren't making any pretensions about what kind of forum they are.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy

It's an interesting similarity TRP has with a lot of social justice/left leaning subs, where mods also ban people who participate on subs they don't like, or who says things in other forums they disagree with.

You got us. You got us so good. I said "we don't have a policy of pre-emptive bans," but you replied on our sub on which you are not banned, in a thread where we invite people to disagree with us. I guess we really are like SJWs where we ban people who disagree with us.

[–]cxj1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I for one hope u/hyperrreal remains unbanned !

[–]hyperrreal6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You invited people to come here and disagree as a way to boost traffic in response to your quarantine. That's a reasonable thing to do, but it's not out of some love of debate/discourse.

I guess we really are like SJWs where we ban people who disagree with us.

Agree and amplify schickt aside, TRP does have a lot in common with left-wing idpol. I think that's why both sides try so hard to perform wokeness/edginess (respectively). Helps mask how bound up both groups/ideologies are together.

[–]Texastentialism5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

I mean this is all well and good, but the fact remains that u/hyperrreal at one time was preemptively banned. He had to be unbanned to participate in this thread.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Ooh, can we have red pill hats and march on Washington?

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Punch yourself in the dick for taking it seriously, dumbass.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like I said, mod tools are not very good so I cannot confirm this is the case. We can take hyperreal's word for it that they didn't receive a notice, but I've had members who have participated and they also have missed or think they didn't get the message.

All I can say is, we don't have this policy, and I have unbanned them to rectify said issue. There isn't much more you can get out of it.

[–]i_have_a_semicolon5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah a good ol he said she said situation but there's no cuck to take the fall

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy

Why do you care, Jesus Christ. Do you realize how ridiculous claiming indifference is when you do so in a post... On our forum.

What people misconstrue as a hug box is just moderation. Rule 0 is stay on topic for a reason, this is not a debate sub. If you wanted to, you can post an ask trp if you needed theory clarification. If everyone was allowed to come in here and shit all over everything there be no point in the Forum

[–]hyperrreal3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

lmao dude, you're throwing RP memes/tropes at me rather than responding to my comment.

I never said I was indifferent, I said I was banned here despite the fact that I have literally never commented here, posted here, messaged modmail here, or had any other interaction with the forum. And I'm curious as to why the mods here banned me preemptively like many SJW subs do.

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[–]hyperrreal2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

A real answer would be nice.

But besides that, I'm raising the issue b/c I think how this forum is lead/moderated is related to why it seems to be on the decline in terms of traffic/relevance.

[–]buartha6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy

None of what you said addresses the fact that he was banned without posting a comment. Prebanning people doesn't qualify as moderation to keep the sub clean, especially when it's someone like hyperreal that leans red anyway.

And for the record I'm guessing that it was almost certainly nothing to do with what you've said and was likely a revenge banning for the fact that a couple of TRP mods have been on/off banned from PPD.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

Can you go back to not being inclined to post here

[–]buartha7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy

Nah, watching the terp ECs discuss things is like a freakshow dedicated entirely to intellectual special needs, I underestimated how difficult it would be to tear my eyes away from the trainwreck. So am going to stick around here and enjoy myself for the duration

[–]PPD Mod RPWLittleknownfacts2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's the spirit!

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[–]buartha0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure that posting on TRP once in a while doesn't automatically make me that much of a loser

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

And same as eating too much popcorn, it's a self-destructive behaviour. Maybe you should start to go cold-turkey in order to get yourself into a state where you are able to better yourself.

Both popcorn and outrage-porn that is.

[–]buartha5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I feel like my enjoyment of terp cringe is not going to negatively affect my life in any way, but should I ever feel like it does I will be sure to stop and dedicate the time I've saved to lifting weights with one hand and furiously masturbating to Meditations with the other

[–]sublimemongrel6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I really don't think he needs the lecture.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for your opinion.

[–]Omnidempotent4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

Legal issues aside (Duluth model, etc.), would it ever be ok to strike a woman? In what circumstances would it be advantageous to do so?

[–]party_dragon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

same circumstances as striking a man.

and sex (consensual BDSM) of course

[–]CainPrice9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Self defense and defense of others. The same defenses that apply in a legal setting.

If a woman is coming at you with a knife? Kick her ass until she's not a threat any more.

If a woman is beating the shit out of your child? Kick her ass until she's a puddle and plead temporary insanity.

If you're having sex with a woman and she screams at you to go harder, hit the shit out of her pelvis with your pelvis until she tells you to stop.

If a woman is saying mean stuff and you're angry and hurt and rejected, don't hit her.

[–]nodepostgres3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. The only two acceptable situations that come to mind are self-defense and between two consenting parties.

I've had a few partners that liked to be slapped in the face in the bedroom. 100% consensual, they requested it, and they loved it.

[–]WarViper13371 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would only strike someone if my life or the life of someone I really care for depended on it. Otherwise my policy is to just walk away and be done with the whole situation.

[–]tnegaeR15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are not fragile, glass-made creatures. If my life is threatened or I need to act at all in self defense, I’d do so without a second thought.

Striking a woman out of anger or rage is never acceptable, however. All that proves is the weakness of the man who hit her.

[–]PimPedOutGeese0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some girls want some really rough sex man you'd be surprised!

That said I'd never partake... A phone call is easier to make when it's only 3 numbers and AWALT.

Out of protection just don't.

[–]axletruss0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

When a red pill man's rationalization is built on logic then why do a woman's rationalization attempt is just "hamster is spinning"?

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man can spin too. A beta omega zeta guy (z is the last symbol isnt it?) in my class tell me "if we lose, it is because of you" before we start.

[–]Mojiitoo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Built on emotions? Hamster spinning is meant in a way where women do not claim their responsibility. They try to blame shift thats it not their fault or out of their control whereas ofcourse it was on them in the end.

For example they cheat, 'I was drunk and you couldnt pick me up that night and you shouldve blablabla'.

[–]TheGreatGatzb8 points9 points  (29 children) | Copy

What’s your go-to music genre for flexing on uncultured swine?

[–]eccentricrealist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Death metal. I'm listening to early Sepultura a lot these days.

[–]Proto_Sigma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Rap is often the most explicitly RP, but I like good music in virtually every genre (except country.... shudder).

Score Music, Classical, Classic Rock, Jazz, Blues, R and B, even some of the better Pop (Michael Jackson).



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