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I'm having some sort of existential crisis regarding women. Last LTR crossed the line, and just had a married chick I know that just had a baby tell me she wants me to fuck her while her husband is gone. Need to get some shit off my chest.

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February 21, 2019

I apologize if my writing style sucks.

So far I've been cheated on physically by every single girlfriend I've ever had, except the last one which still crossed the line when it came to other men. Whose fault is that? I'll take the full blame for all of them. I've always been good looking, but growing up I was anything but manly. I was a bitch. Might still be, I don't know. When I turned 26 (currently 30), I found TRP and that's when I started heavily working out. I achieved a great physique. Worked hard and got a degree. Learned discipline. I have no problem getting women when I want to now. Women always basically demand a second date from me. I've come a long way. Although certainly far from where I want to be.

Anyways, me and my last LTR broke up about 3 months ago (for the best, found out at the end she was most definitely BPD). The thing that really made me give up on the relationship was when she started bringing up during our arguments how her coworker was nice and thoughtful and always asked her how she was feeling. Big red flag, obviously. Turns out this "nice" guy was just preying on my girl, giving her the type of attention that I stopped providing because I got a comfortable after a year of dating. Did she fuck him? I won't rule out the possibility but I doubt it. She's incredibly OCD when it comes to std's. Not important though. The point is, after a year of dating and commitment, she started entertaining another man's attention. She let another man come in between us who wasn't. Even. Fucking. Attractive. If you're going to even just THINK about branch swinging, at least do it right and do it with someone I'm intimidated by.

Then, 2 days ago I decided to whip out snapchat even though I rarely use the thing. Had a chick I took out like 3 years ago (HB8, hot blonde with big tits, gorgeous smile) who I never even fucked hit me up. I'm fairly up to date on her life since I scroll through instagram from time to time. She got married not too long ago and recently just had a baby. She starts telling me how her husband is gone for months at a time for his job and won't be back for a bit. So I decide to entertain it a little bit, wanting to confirm if what I think is happening is happening. And sure enough, she tells me how she wants to fuck me so bad, and if I could come over that night, sends me a nude selfie. I made up some bullshit excuse because I just don't have it in me. It honestly turns me off more than anything, knowing that her husband is out doing his best to provide for his new family and his wife is at home with the kid, selfishly unsatisfied because she's not getting the "attention she deserves". Probably has something to do with my upbringing.

I've also had a very closely related family member tell me how she was ready to branch swing that I won't go into due to possibly being doxxed on this account. But that one is fucking with me too.

Feel free to judge me for this I don't care, but I WANT an awesome long term relationship. I personally don't want to grow old alone. I want that badass wife who's my bestfriend. But this shit just doesn't seem to be attainable. Not in this day and age. Things are too fucked with social media. Maybe that's not the problem, I don't know. I know I personally have things to work on. I got boring in my last relationship, I got comfortable. But even after fixing that, shit doesn't seem possible.

Is the only way to do life is to embrace the Rational Male? Is it possible to have an awesome LTR these days? Like, what the fuck man. Lots of men are out here doing their best, while their woman is scrolling through instagram seeing all the "awesome" fake relationships, convincing themselves that they deserve better and need to get the "attention they deserve".

Fuck this shit.

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Title I'm having some sort of existential crisis regarding women. Last LTR crossed the line, and just had a married chick I know that just had a baby tell me she wants me to fuck her while her husband is gone. Need to get some shit off my chest.
Author Crailberry
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Date 21 February 2019 07:43 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (8 children) | Copy

It sucks, I know.

I also however want you to consider this. Do you get angry at gravity for not being able to flap your wings and fly? Do you get mad when you try to talk to trees and they don't answer? Are you frustrated that time is linear and that you're living today, not yesterday?

Maybe you do. Many men have in the past. There are people who jumped off building wearing large wings. They're dead. There are people who talk to trees. We call them lunatics, because they are. There are people who spent their lives writing science fiction of time travel and people became fat, angry fanbois about the same instead of living in reality.

Nature is nature.

We cannot change it. We cannot wish it into becoming what we want. You can scream at it, throw a fit, grow frustrated. Nature doesn't care.

We can, however, learn about nature. We can discover things about it. We can look at the facts, and based on the facts, describe nature, and build theories about how we expect nature to behave in response to different circumstances and stimuli. We can manipulate nature. We can take it and use it to achieve our ends.

TRP teaches us about a fact-based, reality based theory of women and gender relations. It tells us the nature of women. Right now, it's the best working theory of what women do, not what we feel about women. If I look at my life and my success with and understanding of women to achieve the goals I want to with them, everytime I've followed TRP I've been successful, and everytime I haven't I haven't.

We did create airplanes, once we learnt about gravity. So continue learning.

In this context, your problem is your expectations. I would strongly recommend therapy, both as an outlet and to find out why you want a relationship so bad. There would be an underlying cause, but it's your responsibility to find and solve it, and no woman can do that for you. Realise that's your problem. The good thing is you're clear on what you want. Now manipulate nature (not individual women, but their nature) to get it. Sexual strategy is amoral.

[–]bestCallEver10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fantastic comment.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I also however want you to consider this. Do you get angry at gravity for not being able to flap your wings and fly? Do you get mad when you try to talk to trees and they don't answer? Are you frustrated that time is linear and that you're living today, not yesterday?


/u/EpicLevelCheater /u/Halitenina

[–]EpicLevelCheater2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Put this on the sidebar, this is gold!

[–]Crailberry[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll be the first to admit I should probably see a therapist. I was raised Mormon and those values (some good, some probably not so helpful) have been programmed into me the moment I came out of the womb.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if I developed BPD symptoms myself from living with someone who was really BPD.

Thanks for the comment, makes a lot of sense

[–]adool7770 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

to find out why you want a relationship so bad

As many others would answer, to have kids. Because I watched my parents only be with each other and I want that.

[–]rugged790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


TRP is a belief system, guideline and toolbox wrapped into one. What you're going through is textbook Anger phase.

The good news is now you can make a plan on how you want to proceed, and move forward.

[–]trancedj17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

Dude, I feel you man. Most of us who’ve been redpilled for awhile have these same feelings. Every girl I’ve ever been with has either cheated or I could see the impending beach swing and I bailed before it happened.

First thing, if all you’re worried about is growing old alone that’s an easy fix; we all die alone. Make your life awesome, keep awesome friends, and enjoy the ride. If you take care of yourself, women will ALWAYS be available to you.

If what you really want is children, here’s the best advice I can offer; set yourself up to where you’re comfortable losing half your shit, paying child support and alimony, and seeing your children half-time. I’m serious about this. If you attain a level of income where you can still survive after all that loss, then play the odds and have children. I’d still avoid marriage if possible and of course my scenario is the worst possible outcome, your mileage may vary.

I’m starting to thing (could be wrong) that dudes your age (I’m in my 40’s) have it much harder than men my age. I quit social media a couple years ago. It’s the scourge of women and men. And it’s damn near impossible for men your age to have a life without it. Use it cautiously man, and know that 99% of what you see online isn’t real.

Lastly, I can’t recommend fucking married women. I’ve done it. I have no moral objections against it. However, it’s fucking dangerous man. The husband can find out and snap, he could sue your ass for breaking up his marriage, or she could accuse you of rape. It’s just not worth the hassle. There’s too many single women out there that will fuck a man like you on the first date, that’s a fact.

Best of luck man, and remember to try and not take life too seriously, none of us are getting out of this shitshow alive.

[–]Crailberry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One of the few main reasons I won't bring myself to fuck a married woman is the possibility of her becoming overrun with guilt and accusing me of rape.

And yes, the fact that none of us are getting out of here alive is an incredible point to remember

[–]Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

he could sue your ass for breaking up his marriage

Lol no he can't dude... Other than that good post.

[–]rugged7912 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

You probably meeting with the wrong type of females man. Insta chicks are usually a red flag. But if a woman's Instagram is more regular pics like say, her and her niece at a family BBQ, she might be okay.

There are different types of women all over the country and in other countries that may be better suited for LTR. Maybe you need a vacation.

Also if everyone could find a perfect partner there wouldn't be so much divorce in the world. LTR is possible but you're going to have a lot of duds before you find the right one.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

AWALT is going to be AWALT. This fantasy of "other women", quality of women or "non-western women" is false, bp, setting yourself for failure and disappointment.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok man

[–]Stokestix 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

This helped me a bit. Reading all about the cheating, branch swinging on this sub lately made me want to fucking cry. What's the point building relationships when you're going to get cheated on anyway...

[–]catgirlmasterrace1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

fucking same bro. I'm so disappointed in life or rather this world, that it's really become a struggle to keep going on, and this is prettymuch the main source of disappointment

[–]MiZiSTiK0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Bro I'm starting to think happy relationships aren't even a fucking thing. I've only been with two women but each one was a fucking mentally distraught BPD chick. Both probably cheated on me too, however they deny it. I don't know anyone that has a happy relationship. Life would have been better 50 years ago.

[–]Isantos850 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

15 yrs with my guy and we are happy with no cheating scandals. It's out there.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire26 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, it's possible that the you are failed "comfort" tests with the previous girlfriend who was probably using the co-worker to test your commitment to her and prod you into making her your wife.

The married woman is a depraved slut.

Being cheated on sucks, and I could see how it would destroy your trust. And now you are the guy that women want to cheat with. Welcome to harsh reality, I guess.

[–]HurricaneHugues6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're clinging on to a false reality, a lit that was sold to you by society and the entertainment media you consume. A loe that was meant to keep weak men in line, while those with their eyes opened profited at your peril. It isball one big lie. There is no magical girlfriend who's your best friend, your personal slut, but a lady on the outside, devoted to you for life, madly in love with you. She does not exist.

You haveva pattern of getting cucked because the blue pill mentality is deeply ingrained in you. You're a poor judge of character. You actively try to fall in love so You can live out your own love story. You ignore warning signs because you would rather live a lie than face the cold hard truth.

Life threw an opportunity at you to forever open your eyes, and you decided to throw crazy glue on your eye lids. My man, go fuck that married girl. Get in her guts, and fuck her like the whore she is. That way for sure, you will never forget how deceptive women can be. You will never blindly trust women anymore. You will never subscribe to fairy tale nonsense. You need to realoze that you are not the one in a relationship with her husband. She is. It's her job to guard her commitment. She is not guarding it because she is a slut. Just because some idiot pit a ring on her finger, it doesn't change who she is. In her mind she will always be single. There is nothing you can or can't do to change that. She will fuck someone behind her husband's back either way. She is not cheating because of you. She is cheating, and you just happen to be available. You're notbthe reason why she cheats. You're not the one who's breaking a commitment. The husband is paying for a cow who's milk is free to any and everyone. That's his mistake, his problem.

Go fuck that slut, and swallow the red pill. If you can't do that, then get out out of here. TRP may not be for you, and you might be better suited as a cuck than a RP man.

[–]1kick61 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

We're told from day 1 that men are shit. We believe it. TRP teaches us that, oh by the way, women are shit too. It's hard to swallow. Eventually you'll find a way to move forward with it. However, nothing says you can't set your own moral code for you. You've gotta navigate this life for yourself. So if you don't want to fuck married women...don't.

[–]JizzCleaver1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men aren't that shitty. It's just that some women go for a lot of shitty guys. The great dudes or self improvement ones are leftovers.

[–]mrp_awakening1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This may be an unpopular opinion... but fuck it. TRP is usually about spinning plates/short term relationships, so this is going to go counter much of what's read. I'm not advocating this for everyone... but if what an LTR and/or kids is part of your mission, this could help. With that being said... the best way to deal with hypergamy in an LTR is to be way on the upper end of what's attainable for her. If you want an "awesome LTR", find a woman with an excellent personality, but slightly older or a bit down in looks. Bonus points if she's got a good career (less need for Beta Bux provider). Part of excellent personality is honesty, and integrity. If she knows she can't do better than you, she won't risk trying to branch swing, or the potential of getting caught cheating. Extra points if she's rode the carousel to the point of disillusionment, and knows very well where you stand compared to what's currently attainable by her. If that tradeoff is worth an LTR, that's up to you to decide. Spinning plates is probably a better option for most though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I almost fucked around with a woman who was separated from her husband. Come to find out, he was abusive, had two kids with her, cheated, and worked for the NSA. A big nope from me... sometimes it just isnt worth it if you're that desperate to get your pipe cleaned.

[–]2alpha-zach1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Plenty of what you desire is possible, but I’m guessing some isn’t simply by principle.

First you said something about awesome best friend. That’s not a reality. Check out MRP. You’ll find TRP principles relating to marriage. One is that your wife is just the biggest teenager in the house.

You know those parents who say their kids are their best friend? They are the “fun” parents that smoke weed with their 16 year old. You kind of look at them with disgust and think, ‘wtf is wrong with you.’

That’s you, but you want it in a wife. There are differences, but you have to keep some sort of barrier between you. It’s the nature of all leaders. Same with the boss that tries to be everyone’s friend, he turns into Michael Scott from the Office. It just can’t be done.

Check out MRP; you’ll find some valuable stuff.

[–]Crailberry[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks. What's MRP?

[–]2alpha-zach0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Married red pill. Another reddit

[–]peaox1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nothing you can do man. Unless your SMV is sky high (famous actor) then LTRs are near impossible to keep if you don’t start them in high school.

Like you said - social media completely ruined the game. It will only get worse. The entire game and rules have changed. Just imagine the next millennia of men.. poor bastards.

If you really want to keep an LTR, you’re gonna have to sacrifice your dignity sometimes and let her treat you like shit. That’s the only way. I can never keep an LTR because I have too much respect for myself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why would you need to let her treat you like shit ? Wouldn’t she perceive you as weak/beta ? I’m not getting your point

[–]peaox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yea she would perceive you as beta and that’s the point. Only betas can sustain LTRs unless you are an alpha witj really high SMV.

[–]huggyblossom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's mostly about the culture that woman grows in that is causing the problem.

The West is almost rotten at the moment with all those social media bullshit, stars and etc. - just look at the number of sex partners all celebs have.

I can give you for example The Balkans where I am from and some of the old USSR republiks like Belarus, Ukraine and etc. The majority of women below 30 are still very good LTR and wife material. However with social media, modern standarts and shit the new generations are more Westernized as ever,

My cousin is 18 and the girls around him feel like I am in a trip to the USA all over again - perfect for sex, making as a plate, but I won't ever put my dick inside any of them as a LTR engagement.

You just have to keep looking and trying, mostly avoid Instagram girls, Facebook addicts and etc. social media valued gals as from my personal experience (30 also) they act more thot alike. You need a girl that is more old valued no matter how funny and old fashion this sounds. The perfect example was yesterday when I argued with 8-9 women between 20 and 30 at work about relationships and how a cheating is the end in a relationship. All the thot ones went viral with the topic and started accusing me about love, blah,blah and etc., while the 2 that are valuable from behavior and etc. just remained silent. It's a hard work to find one girl that is good for dedication, since the plate ones are much, much more...

[–]thrownawayisland0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I swear its like prisoners dilemma with relationships these days. Either you both cooperate and work together to build a future, or you cheat on her to get ahead before she cheats on you but don't tell, or she cheats on you to get ahead before you cheat on her but doesn't tell, or you both cheat on each other and don't tell.

In each situation it could appear the same from the outside.

And then also I get taking extreme responsibility for everything (I believe there's a book written by a navy seal about that topic, but don't know how far they take it) but at the same time, you can't take responsibility for gravity pulling things down (to use that other dude's example), or trees not talking, or the linearity of time.

So should we be expected to take responsibility for hypergamy or is it just another force of nature?

Edit: And furthermore, I've started taking on this internal belief that all women cheat given the right circumstances, whereas in the past I used to be completely frightened by the possibility, now I just accept the pain will come with the good times (similar to how people who live on flood plains will have good years and bad, and nothing they could do would stop the flood).

[–]zxcvb78090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think women want kids by their protectors (betas) because she doesn't want her son to be a protector (beta). She wants a protector to ensure she can have the kid safely, but she wants to be impregnated by an alpha.

She wants her offspring to have alpha traits because they are more likely to reproduce.

I think this is why women cheat. I think the idea of an LTR and not dying alone is a lie.

So in being in any relationship with a woman I think you put yourself in a provider role. This automatically makes you less attractive to her as before you were in an alpha role or ish, and now you are a provider. So now your job changed according to her biology.

In pursuing this you are literally chasing something that is not possible, or at the least very, very unlikely.

It is really crappy to realize that what we were sold was lie in terms of societal expectations but at least you know. I mean you could go into relationships knowing this.

[–]tikitheman0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Idk man the red pill just shows us the world for what it is and it gives us the tools we need to succeed in it.

You can make your own rules. Me, i'm fucking the married chick.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

And I'm coming after your head when you fuck my wife - Crazy husband

[–]tikitheman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe but a chick who is that overt about wanting to fuck has been bangin dudes on the regular anyway.

[–]BookyMcBooks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's crazy that people still think lifelong monogamy is somehow possible any more.

I mean, you should know by now how human nature really is? Right? People are going to fuck. We're animals. We fuck. The whole "love you forever" bullshit is just bullshit.

I would think everyone who knows one iota about the red pill knows this already.

[–]ArchsofArch 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Red pill as a sexual strategy is immoral, but the chances are she isn't in a relationship.

And speaking of getting things off your chest many people have already done that, to her and her ex. For the last 9 months.

That chick and her ex fiance are currently seeing other people for the last 9 months. But they still like each other.

Both of them never were in one place for long, actually at all to ever do anything about it.

A woman is worth more than her dating life.

They don't have kids.

It is also more importantly none of anyone's business.

[–]temerity181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Red pill is Amoral. Meaning it is neither immoral nor moral. Like mathematics. It has nothing to do with morality.

[–]justnicepersonhater-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

its over bro

[–]Casd12-2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy

You complain about Instagram because it gives people an illusion of what a "real" relationship is supposed to be like when in reality most of the shits fake, so now you say that girls are over entitled and always stating they deserve better. You know who else thinks they deserve better? You. Yeah you. You've bought into the notion that girls should always be loyal just like how girls bought into the notion that they deserve better. You are exactly like the person you taught yourself to hate.

[–]Crailberry[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Your analytical skills need work. None of that made sense. Go back to where you came from, and come back when you're able to present an argument that.....makes sense.

[–]Casd120 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Here, let me try again smfh:

I'm saying you're an entitled little child that talks just like all the bitches out there, who constantly complains that there's no good man left.

Fuck, I mean you literally start out your post like them. "So far I've been cheated on by every single girlfriend I've had" The first sentence you write, portrays you as a little kid whose been a victim of this cruel harsh world. Fuck, I mean if you're a chick, there would be at least fifty orbiters being your emotional tampon.

Next thing you state is that you'll take the full blame for all of them because you acted like a bitch during the relationship (which is good, always fix your shortcomings). BUT in the next paragraph you proceed to rant about how it's her fault. And complained about how an ugly dude stole yo girl. So, instead of questioning the underlying motive of why she did it, and what things you should have done better SPECIFICALLY, you decide to continue on and tell us about how you lost faith in girls because a girl whose married wants to fuck someone besides her husband. Mate did you even read TRP? Cus I feel like you're still living in disneyland, where fairy tales exist.

Because you believe in fairy tales where happy endings are always how it ends, anything that doesn't live up to your unattainable standards, are somehow deemed unjust to you.

Girls who uses Instagram, feel like their lives should be like what's shown on Instagram. Just like you feel like your life should be what's shown on rom coms or Disney.

You have to smash your stupid belief of what's supposed to happen versus what actually happens. Don't be sheep nigga, be a herding dog.

[–]Crailberry[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

There ya go, thanks for coming up with an intelligent response this time.

[–]Casd120 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

You always act like this? Passive aggressive? Cus if you do, it's probably why you're fucking up

[–]Crailberry[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You act like a cunt in real life? Probably why you're gonna get your shit kicked in one day

[–]Casd120 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Did I hurt your feelings? Weakass frame, smfh

[–]Crailberry[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not at all. A lot of what you said is true. However, going through your post history I can tell you're a pompous asshole. And if you act like that in real life, you're gonna get fucked up one of these days. Or, you're just a keyboard warrior which makes you even more of a bitch. Have a good day

[–]Casd120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck it, live by the sword die by the sword

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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