Every girl I meet is fucking damaged in some way. Where do you guys find girls that are LTR-potential? Seems impossible in my late 20's to find a decent girl.

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February 23, 2019
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It feels like every fucking girl i meet is damaged in some way that makes them a fucking chore to deal with. It's everything from feelings for their ex, daddy issues, insecurity, CC, crazy and what not. I just want to regularly get laid with a girl or have several plates to rotate, but they fucking break all the time. I have read about managing plates, but i feel helpless because i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong exactly. I'm not acting needy/desperate towards them, but they usually just drop me because they went back to their ex or they found another dude. Either that or they are just genuinly unstable. I have slept with some 18-19 y.o but no girl that age is LTR potential. Seriously, the amount of damaged women i've met is bizarre. How do i avoid meeting girls like this?


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Title Every girl I meet is fucking damaged in some way. Where do you guys find girls that are LTR-potential? Seems impossible in my late 20's to find a decent girl.
Author MurkyArtichoke
Upvotes 142
Comments 179
Date 23 February 2019 06:12 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/219623
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/aty8ii/every_girl_i_meet_is_fucking_damaged_in_some_way/
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[–]Borsao66297 points298 points  (27 children) | Copy

If you're not happy without a woman, you won't be happy with one. Happiness is an inside job.

[–]finally_a_free_man4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

People getting inner peace mixed up with happiness all the time nowadays. Happiness comes and go, it is just like any other feeling. The chemicals in your body could be off for the day and it'll fuck up your mood. People equate happiness to acquiring things like a career, this chick or that dude, money, ect... but peace is about LETTING GO.

[–]Borsao660 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've slowly begun to use the word "content" over the years, like you said, emotions come and go, contentment is something of a rare beast.

[–]finally_a_free_man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is a state of being. Something you CAN control by letting go of shit. Letting go of your oneitis, letting go of what people say about you, letting go of social expectations, and letting go of material things. It is the art of being here in the NOW and appreciating things like the breeze blowing through your hair, the goofy smile on a big ass dog running down the street, the sweetness of the milk from your cereal, ect... not a worry about what was in the past or what is in store for the future. Shit is difficult man, especially for big city folks. It is a state of being you slowly creep into as you get much older.

[–]jackandjill22 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy

That's true. But quality markers are definitely a thing. I personally think that HQ partners are dropping & pair off at higher levels than before.

[–]mrBatata6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy

Im not understanding what are you trying to say.

[–]FKaroundNfindOUT8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy

'More quality girls wifed up early than some undefined time in the past leaving less quality women in the present' is what I got.

[–]mrBatata6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

OK still doesn't make much sense as that implies that all of them married at the same time. There should be some still left in the market

[–]subrosa21514 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy

You attract where you're at. Dysfunctional people attract dysfunctional people to reflect themself back. Dont worry about finding an emotionally healthy LTR capable girl. Become an emotionally healthy LTR capable man yourself, and the women will come. No pun intended ;).

[–]imPwP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice pun

[–]jackandjill22-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Too simplistic. There are barriers to entry. This is about as helpful as saying "everybody can't win" when talking about inequalities.

[–]subrosa2150 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The truth is simple. Focus on yourself. That's the most helpful piece of advice I've had my whole life. Not sure what you even mean by saying "it's about as helpful as everybody cant win when talking about inequalities". I think our minds try to make things more complicated then it needs to be. The only barrier to entry in life is yourself.

[–]jackandjill22-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

So do you repeat things when confronted with questions you don't have the answer to?

[–]subrosa2150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LOL... There wasnt a single question in your response. It was just a vague muddled opinion that hardly made any sense to myself, or the other folks that down voted it. Which is why I asked for clarification on it, and you dodge answering that by telling me I'm the one dodging your non existent questions. Lmao. Good day sir.

[–]jackandjill22-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Correct.

[–]ChiefFuckingBull2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice brother! FACTZ

[–]mrBatata4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

9 11 was an inside job as well

[–]FKaroundNfindOUT1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Did they stay in there or did they jump out?

[–]mrBatata3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think they took a plane

[–]Thizzlebot5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

I agree with this but you can only be so happy for so long until you crave human contact.

[–]User-31f64a4e17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

Well, there's human contact, and then there is LTR. Not quite the same thing.

If you are depending on someone else to make you happy, you're fucked.
Relationships are meant to be the cherry on top of a satisfying life, not the whole banana split.

[–]Thizzlebot-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Obviously. You missed my point though, there's only so long you can "be happy" unless you are just a volcel and there's no fun in that.

[–]MrCracker9264 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are right,dont know why you are getting down votes by the idiots. I watched a prison show today by this girl and part of it she talked about how their partners cheat if they are gone more then a year. She says because nobody wants to go without love or sex that long!!! Shes fucking right just look at people who go do time and how many cant stay faithful. Look at all the women who are able to jump to one relationship to another.

[–]User-31f64a4e0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, if you're willing to take the risk of false accusations (or perhaps, always be recording) then you can do the plates thing.

LTR is not the only non-celibate option.

If you're looking to do a family though, it may be difficult in these times. Possible of course, but fraught.

[–]lazydogg91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Truer words have never been spoken

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never heard it put that way. Boy is that the damn truth. Yep.

[–]SalporinRP38 points39 points  (9 children) | Copy

Try looking for women in different places. When I first started my RP journey 2 or so years ago and was in the anger phase I would lament the state of women but then I did some introspection and realized I was basically gaming women from 2 sources: Bars/clubs and dating apps.

Once I started joining clubs and doing social activities that didn't involve getting wasted I met some higher quality women.

I'm not gonna lie and say it's easy though because I assume you have certain requirements for women just like I do and when you start looking for someone that checks all the boxes the numbers get really small.

[–]FKaroundNfindOUT15 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy

Try looking for women in different places.

Exactly. People and the places they frequent have influence on each other. Go to valuable places to find valuable people.

[–]MrAnderzon6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

What would be a valuable place

[–]le_king_falcon11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

Here's my two cents.

Somewhere that doesn't exist solely for easy gratification. So that instantly removes bars and clubs and also dating apps.

Look for places that actually add value or require some patience, skill or intellect to really enjoy.

So for example classes to learn things are amazing. Dance classes, cooking classes, martial arts for example. Find a woman who partakes seriously in them and she's more likely to have some desirable traits like a work ethic, an ability to practice, an openness to trying new things outside of the basic bitch comfort zone, actual useful skills and some level of curiosity about the world.

This is not a guarantee but a percentage game. The single worst woman I ever found was in a cooking class. Literal train wreck of a human being beyond skin deep interaction. Best was gamed in a bar, only left her because I don't want kids and she does.

The thing being is if you just stick to spots women make low effort in and have dick flying at them from all angles your much more likely to find bitch shields, alpha widows, used up bikes. Women who don't want to bathe in male attention have much less reason to be in such places. Plus women who can't stand up to inspection past the basic fuckability test love to spend time in areas where they get the benefits without any effort.

[–]ChesterRickman3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

My mate goes to church youth gatherings to meet girls. He's pretty successful and happy.

[–]le_king_falcon1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah if you can deal with the religious bullshit there's potentially decent pickings there.

I for one couldn't deal with any religion intruding into my personal life in any way hence not even thinking to mention it so good point.

[–]ChesterRickman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He's very religious himself, so it works just fine.

[–]FKaroundNfindOUT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well said. This phenomenon is the only reason most college degrees hold any value... if you want to find people capable of doing something, go to a place people have to do that thing to get to.

[–]Helmet_Icicle4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every time someone describes their ability to filter thus:

It feels like every fucking girl i meet is damaged in some way

they outline exactly what their own problem is and how to solve it. It's not the sample, it's the sample size. OP, you're shit at meeting and filtering.

It's not a new problem and they're not special for experiencing it. Until you meet every last 3.5 billion women, you cannot conclude that none of them are not worth the time. To meet the kind of people you want, you need to be in the locations that they frequent. You will only ever meet the kind of people who go to bars at bars.

I'm not gonna lie and say it's easy though because I assume you have certain requirements for women just like I do and when you start looking for someone that checks all the boxes the numbers get really small.

Your numbers should be small. Be picky as fuck. Quality is necessarily not a common attribute.

[–]dmi_30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you please have examples of such places? Like clubs or social activities?

[–]CptGoodnight 1 points [recovered]  (19 children) | Copy

Society has neutered most men's ability to raise women worth taking as a wife.

Therefore, go to where big city society has less of an influence. Smaller town girls.

[–]Moldy_Gecko34 points35 points  (15 children) | Copy

Every girl I know from small towns are the worst. There is nothing to do there except party, drugs and sex.

[–]CptGoodnight 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy

You're probably right man. It's fucking dismal.

Seems like if you don't catch a girl in high school & get her locked down and pair bonded by your early 20's then all that's left by the time you get to mid-20's onward are really damaged girls.

I know several guys who've done it that way, the ol' high school sweetheart from small towns and it seems good for them. I know some who are chained to mountain cats too from the same deal. But at that's just natural crazy. Not damaged girls.

[–]Moldy_Gecko4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Or move to a country with less fucked up women. That's what I did.

[–]Barbwire_cake2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

I want to move to Poland for this reason.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Are polish women known for not having issues?

[–]party_dragon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They're more likely to be religious than most of Europe.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, can't deal with religious people myself. At least not the christian religions.

[–]Barbwire_cake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not sure if they're know for it. I was in Poland for a week last summer and they were all very kind and a pleasure to talk to. I'm attracted to Poland since they're more conservative and the people there are not PC at all.

[–]CptGoodnight 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Which?

I spent some time in Vietnam but the culture divide was just too big for me.

[–]Moldy_Gecko2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm in Japan

[–]party_dragon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meh, I'm from a good high school (i.e. smart students) from medium-developed European country (i.e. not hypergamic West) and I don't know any high-school-sweetheart couple that remain together into their mid-/late-twenties (at least not couples where he is cool and/or she is hot; I never got to know the rest). People grow. People move. People change. People want new things. People break up.

Remember something about women... they keep making new ones. A high-quality, family-/monogamy-oriented girl likely won't stay repeatedly single into her mid twenties, but that doesn't mean that you can't find a good 20 year old when you're 34.

[–]thegreenmower1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

And this is bad how?

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is.a thread about damaged women. Those 3 characteristics usually result in damaged women.

[–]pridebrah0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've been with 3 small town girls and a big problem I found was that they were also very sheltered. The sheltered mindset lead to a few issues with all 3 of them: small-town thinking (very hum-drum goals, mediocrity being ok) and attention whoring like crazy once they started getting attention outside of their small town. The most mediocre city seems like NYC to them and they want to explore.

I would never recommend a small town chick for anything other than a plate unless you stay in the small town with them and lock them down with a few kids to live the small town life.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can agree with them. Sometimes that high school sweetheart thing similar to Ashon Kutcher and his wife on "The Ranch" could work out, but it's very rare.

[–]Kink30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

... nothing to do there except party, drugs and sex.

Don't forget eating; they're almost always obese around here.

[–]Dizmal3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

can confirm from friends getting success recently.

[–]Kabuki4318 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Farmersmeet

[–]Judom74911 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hell yeah

[–]boom_bostic9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women in their late 20’s are going to have baggage. If they were such a great catch, they would have been snatched up already.

[–]Aptote25 points26 points  (16 children) | Copy

to find and select my current LTR, i made a list of attributes/qualities that i wanted

18/19 year old chicks can be LTR material, you as the man must know how to handle them

they are like horses, so to speak, horses need to be 'broken' before they can be ridden, once they are broken they respond to the reigns of the rider

[–]hijodebluedemon5 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy

Wow, can u share the list? What about someone who gets like 17/18 but has like red flags as well

[–]Aptote10 points11 points  (14 children) | Copy

Wow, can u share the list?

sure, your wants will vary though, here was/is my list:

  1. not openly/outwardly crazy
  2. feminine, submissive and quiet, compatible sex drive, no feminists
  3. no single moms with minor kids in the home (my own sons are in their 20s)
  4. owns her own place
  5. owns her own car
  6. no tattoos
  7. not on welfare or food stamps (no statists)
  8. petite with a good body
  9. asian
  10. not from a broken home (parents still married (or until death parted them))
  11. no hard drugs, heavy drinking or prescription psychotropic drugs
  12. low N count
  13. no greenies or church goers

What about someone who gets like 17/18 but has like red flags as well

depends on what the 17/18 are and what the red flag is

my current LTR was/is a single mother, yet she lived with her parents until her own son went out on his own and her own father died. no live in bf for her or many ltr for her. i tolerate this red flag since she checks off the rest of the list.

[–]matt6754 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wtf is a greenie

[–]Aptote0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wtf is a greenie

green·ie Dictionary result for greenie /ˈɡrēnē/ noun informal•derogatory noun: greenie; plural noun: greenies

a person who campaigns for protection of the environment. "I'm not a radical greenie" 

[–]xddm26531 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Well you just eliminated 99.99% of women.

I fail to see how a church goer is a bad thing, given they tend to check off all your other points....I think theres some contradictions here

[–]Aptote1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

what makes a church going woman a good thing?

[–]xddm2653-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

She will automatically check off half of the things OP just listed..

[–]Aptote-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

which half?

going to a building and performing/taking part in/watching rituals?

its off putting to me,

[–]xddm26530 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Then stick with atheist feminists

[–]Aptote0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

organized religion is just that. organized

[–]xddm2653-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's what, value building? Keeps girls from fucking 50 cocks? If you want to marry a slut then sure, stay away

[–]Emerald__Faith0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wow man wake up, Its 2019 you are not going to find this.

We aren't in the 1900s anymore

[–]Aptote1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i won't find this?

i have this, right now, in 2019 and have since 2014

5 years next month

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Extremely hard to find that, and my list is similar to yours except I do not like asians

[–]Aptote3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

i found one, a bit late in the game of life though it is, 5 years next month

you can have anything you want, yet not everything you want

as i told her: she is not perfect, yet she is perfect for me... for now

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (6 children) | Copy

Damn, so much anger. Take a deep breath for god's sake hahaha. Now keep breathing. Meditate. Realise women cannot bring you happiness. Realise it doesn't matter if you ever find one LTR material. You'll find someone if you find someone. Until then, keep looking. In a nutshell, outcome independence. You're making their problems your problems, when really your problem is just to not have low quality bitches in your life beyond plate material. For what it's worth, I've also found if you're a high quality man, you tend to attract high quality women, and don't give your time to low quality bitches, so don't be afraid to look inside and learn what this may say about you.

[–]kellykebab19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy

The dude just literally described a problem he is having. Where is the anger in this post?

[–]GiraffeOnWheels6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Just read the first sentence and tell me he's not pissed off.

[–]kellykebab7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Frustrated, maybe. I don't see anything wrong with that, though.

The guy I replied to seemed to think OP was flying off the handle or something.

I don't think guys looking for advice need to be lectured about their feelings just because they're a bit disgruntled. Those feelings are perfectly understandable.

[–]someonesopinion69690 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

because he's putting the blame on the women, not himself. you create the opportunities

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Refusing to adapt to circumstances is a poor quality of character, but simply expressing frustration at repeated disappointments is not unreasonable.

The original commenter says, "Damn, so much anger" as if OP has really lost it. To me, OP expresses an appropriately mild amount of anger given his poor experiences.

Frustration is a better motivator than apathy, at the very least.

[–]Monkitail1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty much what I neeeed to hear today, thanks!

[–]Glowv221 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

It Might just be the Vibe your putting out there. If all you get is damaged girls As you proclaim, then look inwards

[–]markinsinz76 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Like 95% of them are damaged. Just different levels on the D-spectrum. Sad to say but its true. Even small town girls.

[–]ValorElite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Still a shit ton of quality girls out there

Just have to go out and find them

[–]markinsinz70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly every quality girl can end up whoring it up given the right circumstances - such is life now I've come to accept it. Just the question of whether twould be worth it after all continuing your gene line is one of the prime directives in life

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (22 children) | Copy

You're on the verge breaking through to the next level of RP awareness, that hookup culture utterly destroys women. If sex were just a fun pastime and not an intense chemical/bonding experience for women, you wouldn't see so many borderline suicidal CC riders and relationships destroyed by women running back to exes. It's pretty rough for men seeking LTRs right now.

I wrote up a green flags list I'll go ahead and copy-paste here. Use it responsibly since since those rare uncorrupted/minimally-corrupted girls shouldn't be toyed with until they lose their minds and become more roasties.

  • Dad is present and is military, farmer, teacher, tradesman, etc.
  • Her apartment is clean(messiness points to mental illness or being allowed to skip chores and sit around being a princess as a child.
  • Religious or culturally-religious. Avoid atheist and new age-y girls who talk about karma and crystals like the plague.
  • Exes are kept at arm’s length.
  • High-quality friends. Birds of a feather...
  • No tattoos or piercings other than earlobe.
  • Interest in the outdoors.
  • Chose a practical major. Accounting instead of women’s studies etc.
  • Bookworm.
  • Likes kids.
  • Doesn’t care about politics.
  • Likes animals but doesn’t impulsively collect them. One cat is a good sign, 6 cats or a large dog living in her studio apartment is a bad sign.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup this list is right on. I think you could have left out the major part though, someone taking women's studies would fail several of the other tests. A lot of the girls I look for LTR status work with children and their degree reflects that.

[–]pridebrah2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

messiness points to mental illness or being allowed to skip chores and sit around being a princess as a child.

Pay attention to this one fellas. This is a big one. I found the latter part of that to be true in my last LTR. Huge issue.

[–]ValorElite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why is the large dog a bad sign ? Because they aren’t meant to be kept in such a small apartment ?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. if you were a dog would you rather live with a family in a house with a yard or in a small apartment with some young woman who is gone most of the time?

[–]_MysticFox 1 points [recovered]  (17 children) | Copy

How do you go for a Christian girl if you're an atheist?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Religion is one of those issues that seems unimportant when you're in looove but will cause tons of trouble down the road(IE if the kids demand to stay home and watch TV with dad on Sunday). I guess what I'd advise is to just keep an open mind about spirituality. We're seeing a lot of negative effects from secularism(terrible birth rates, promiscuity, etc) so a lot of my non-religious friends are becoming culturally religious.

[–]_MysticFox 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

If she's a strict believer, she's into the crazy shit. Or would only go for someone as religious as her.

If she's a casual believer, she's still on the cc. Defeats the purpose of going for a religious girl in the first place.

[–]party_dragon1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Or you can find someone who's not into crazy shit because she's sensible, not because society tells her so, and who's not into CC because it's not fulfilling for her, not because religion tells her so.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've never met an atheist girl who wasn't depressed and/or a huge roastie, but YMMV. Maybe a science teacher or something?

[–]party_dragon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eh, probably availability bias. In many European countries most women (young people, really) are atheists, and even religious ones are often only religious on paper. Obviously there's going to be a lot of crazy/depressed/BPD ones, but also plenty of ok/good/well-adjusted/awesome ones.

[–]MrAgamemnon1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

How do you go for a Christian girl if you're an atheist?

What you believe has nothing to do what your outward social appearance.

Depends how crazy she is about it.

If you live in a religious community participate: go to church, do social events (again, so long as it isn't crazy shit).

[–]xddm26530 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Because opposites attract?

[–]someonesopinion69690 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

everyone needs a belief. women don't care for religion, read sidebar

[–]_MysticFox 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

If she's a strict believer, she's into the crazy shit. Or would only go for someone as religious as her.

If she's a casual believer, she's still on the cc. Defeats the purpose of going for a religious girl in the first place.

[–]someonesopinion69690 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

so what you're saying is if you want a girl that is into weird shit, bang someone who supports a faith? im not so certain about that mate

[–]_MysticFox 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

To put it as blunt as it can be, I want a virgin in her early 20s

[–]someonesopinion69690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good luck, personally you're not going to have much luck with that mentality in this climate. most girls lose their virginity way before that

[–]GiraffeOnWheels0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You go to church.

[–]Gobraves4418 points19 points  (23 children) | Copy

look for mid 20s. Offer the maturity you are looking for, without hitting the wall just yet

[–]MurkyArtichoke 1 points [recovered]  (20 children) | Copy

I've been with girls all ages 18+. I know for a potential LTR mid 20's are the best bet, but i find some of the girls i've dealt with in their mid 20's to be even more immature than some 18 year olds.

[–]Gobraves4420 points21 points  (19 children) | Copy

“The good ones are taken” - Yes mostly to this. If you can get a 19-22 year old to settle down LTR style, when she could ride the CC for another decade if she wanted, then you have a keeper.

27-30 year olds know it’s time to “find a man” . It’s hard to see if you are the last branch she brags or she’s really into you. Younger girls have a lot more options

[–]c4toyourdoornobeef2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy

You’re literally telling him to ltr a woman who’s about to smash full force into the wall.

[–]Gobraves449 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Opposite. I said mid 20s is cut off. 19-22 is ideal

[–]c4toyourdoornobeef6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

my bad, the way you said it suggested that older women were the better option

[–]Gobraves442 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reverse your downvote then! Jk

[–]GiraffeOnWheels1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

Uh, yeah? What is the best LTR age you think? When they're younger they're thinking about all their other options. I'd much rather have a late 20's girl. Finally developed and getting stable. 25-29 I think is the ideal settling down age.

[–]MrAgamemnon0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Finally developed and getting stable. 25-29 I think is the ideal settling down age.

Bullshit. Most women 25+ are already fundamentally broken - alpha widowed or CC riding and the Wall, they won't be able to bond properly.

Going after 18-20 aren't serious LTR [wifey] material either. They will undergo massive changes in personality and instability.

Stable, low n-count 21-23 are where it's at.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What girl is stable at 23? That's why I think a couple years older is better. I'll take more stability. The girls that age that fit the criteria are fewer but that hasn't been a problem for me.

[–]antariusz0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

They are out there, thing is, they have to be molded into it, want to please you. What has been working for me so far is turning 20 year old party girls into girls that WANT to live a conservative lifestyle. I have had a few relationships like that. The current LTR has so far been the most rewarding for me, overall. Met her at 18. She’s now 20, I’m now 36.

A) you have to be able to meet and fuck young attractive women regularly. This never goes away and I think is important in an LTR.

B) They have to see that you’re interested in conservative values and they will eventually mold themselves more into that image, over time.

C) can’t turn a ho into a housewife, hint: all of them are hoes. Never get oneitus.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The more replies i see on this the more I'm convinced there isn't a right answer. It all depends on what you want and where you are. Good for you though. I go for girls that already have conservative values from their family, but i live in a red state.

[–]antariusz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I live in a swing state. There are some conservative girls, there are some liberal girls, you have to make them want to be part of your life either way. Because even conservative valued girls fall under AWALT and will have hypergamy and branch swinging as a part of her life, even if she enjoys hunting, fishing, and shooting.

[–]c4toyourdoornobeef0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Lmao have you not read the sibebar or a few posts on here? 25-29 is them smashing into the wall lmao.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

What's your point?

[–]c4toyourdoornobeef0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Unless you’re like 40+ you shouldn’t be ltring women approaching the wall

[–]GiraffeOnWheels2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah I meant what is your point? AKA why? If you're looking to fuck young girls and that's it, a LTR isn't for you: period.

[–]c4toyourdoornobeef-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Jesus christ, i’ve seen your other comments and clearly you have not read the sidebar. Go read it. and then come back and reply to this comment.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. give them more time on the cock carousel. It will make them better...

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep. Exactly right.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

We’re all human

[–]jackandjill225 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Meaning?

[–]FemtoG24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

youre all just as broken as they are. the point is that you, as the man, need to be the leader/father, and she the follower/daughter, at least in 99% of cases

[–]Aestheticcunt199610 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

We‘re all gonna make it brah

[–]Besthater7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like my women as I like my cars. 22 years old and full of issues. its more fun that way.

[–]0io-3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's not easy. You could try to go for some girl who has never dated before. Sometimes the straight-A student is so focused on school that she never went to the prom. The problem with girls like that is they may be so serious about their studies that they don't have much time to hang out and have fun. Girls in medical school and top PhD programs might suit you. They won't fall into your lap. You have to go out and find them.

[–]lucgarc971 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

At least here in Spain they tend to be either in the library studying or below the wings of their “mommies” anywhere else. I’m particularly into this type of girl, but I can’t find them in any other situation! It’s frustrating AF, man! (also I study engineering.... there’s not much interaction with girls in class/campus over here)

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Welcome to the West, man.

Join a church, conservative group, or date foreign women. Or hope for the needle in a haystack.

[–]i-ren2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You´re not offering love and understanding. Confident women run when they feel treated as an object.

[–]zxcvb78092 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You have to be content being alone first and foremost, this takes time.

Second once you are capable of being alone, when you spend time with women it has to be an experience. They have to have a great time. And when they are not around you be distant. If you need me to expand I will but I think it is pretty straight forward.

Best of luck.

[–]pridebrah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They have to have a great time. And when they are not around you be distant.

100%

[–]sehns2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Find ways to meet hot women that aren't in bars and clubs

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You attract what you put out there ... this might sound stupid at first but change your mindset and you will literally find the vibe/frequency you seek. The world will set you up.

[–]pridebrah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think this sounds woo-woo to a lot of people but its damn true.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Put simply they’re damagaed because you are. You are unconsciously seeking them out.

Get therapy and undamage yourself.

[–]imtheoneimmortal4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

At church

Btw why you want ltr? You don’t need perfect girl with all green flag is normal to have some orange or red flag

You have to learn her if want good ltr

That’s my perspective

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Where are you meeting them?

Do you pursue any women who make it even slightly difficult?

[–]TheGoldenFangBang1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Okay, so there's this thing called the Universal Hot Crazy Matrix. It’s everything a young man needs to know about women...

[–]LordMarkStark1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Try to see the best in people. Develop some sympathy/empathy or tolerance to the problems. You don't need to solve them in order to enjoy people in the main though sure some problems explicitly inhibit any interaction/enjoyment with some girls just like guys in reverse, and you don't need to settle down with them either.

But you are right - there's a lot of damaged young girls out there. Its a society problem. At one point girls had their heads screwed on earlier than guys for various reasons including being sheltered more - but now they're out there amongst it and with the single mother epidemic across the globe, of course they will get more scratches and bruises and they will seem even less mature (for a girl) than you may have expected, and they will be less contented in general as they are on career paths and don't want to settle down as readily. I can only speak generally.

You might want to try presenting yourself differently and attracting a higher caliber of girl according to your tastes. It could be possible you are meeting the wrong people in the wrong places, so de-prioritize what you are doing in that regard.

As young girls remits on their lives expand; whereas in the past they were more narrowed in homelife/kids/supporting a husband, - well now you must take existing and limited female faculties and apply them over more areas - so their lives will be more hectic and their hedonism heightened since they are not tied down or expected to be tied down. So in essence by and large we have older more loserish girls on our hands. Maybe not the best words; but remember they're going through life as best they can. Girls take longer to find their feet in many cases and some of their lives get derailed more easily than before - because they are exposed to more risk. With freedom comes risk.

But just keep that in mind, because being happy with yourself more than being happy about anyone else on a personal level is far more important for YOU.

If you're out on dating apps or clubs then you are going to proportionately come by more single mothers and party-ho's or girls just out of relationships, more generally unstable and deliberately or otherwise unavailable girls. You might want to like I said look at meeting them in different places - and you will have a different relationship trajectory because of it.

Your problem is moreso you expect too much from women or you want too much from these women causing you unhappiness. Don't worry about it if you can't do anything about their situation, and don't try to.

Still, get in while the going is good - you're young probably so the time is now. Don't let it hold you back. Don't fight the world. Ride it. You don't even need several plates to ride the world, take them one at a time.

Women won't solve your problems in your life they only exacerbate problems. But then there must be more extenuating circumstances to your case. I do absolutely agree though that its the most bizzare thing.

There's good ones out there though certainly. Also most young girls are batshit crazy, start thinking of them as on the level of little sisters basically, and don't judge or criticize them too harshly for it. Have more fun with girls in general, so I think the problem lay in your own perceptions of the situation; because no one can change the world, its too big a thing to change. Start to accept it and see the good (or what there is) in people.

Most importantly have the relationship you want to have. Girls have to learn this crap but the best season for any woman in this modern day, maybe it always was, is the early and mid 20's - they are her golden years, in todays world if she is knocked up as a teenager the prognosis of her life lowers. And yet in todays society a relationship is not the go-to thing for women in her 20s' to do in the main.

But talking about it is pissing in the wind, go find yourself a young one and give her a reason to fuck you, stay with you, whatever you want. You could actually improve two lives then. Its ideal for you, you're late 20's, right? So this means the girls who will be highly into you will be young and mid 20's. Go for girls around 24, 25, 26 maybe. They haven't hopefully seen too much dick and are still relatively whimsical and prancing, and not pragmatic enough to be down on themselves yet or spat out from a bad relationship/experience. This is why above I said the time is now for you. Until about 35 you have an enormously good chance to settle down (or just go out with for the long-haul be however long that is) with one of these mid 20's birds. Dont squander it in dislike. Who cares about the ones you dislike. Even then only fools rush in. Just try and go for it.

look in the mirror and tell yourself you want to make some bitch happy in a red pill way, just because it makes you feel good. See a few girls, see where you're at and pick the best one that comes along and focus on her slightly more. Let things happen as things get proven enough.

[–]pridebrah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good post with a balanced approach.

[–]alphafili1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro find a different approach, you ought to have been giving off a “I wanna help you solve your problems” type of vibe. Focus on a different “Us fucking weekly is a good idea” type of vibe. See how that plays out

[–]HurricaneHugues2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let me guess, youre seeing these plates one by one aren't you?

[–]hrm08941 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

You don't. Instead, you wake the fuck up and go MGTOW. Finding a LTR in today's society is like jumping into a venomous snake pit and hoping there will be one that doesn't bite.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels-2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy

Alright if you don't ever want to have kids or want to be a shitty parent you do that.

[–]hrm08940 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Lol this is almost as bad as female shaming tactics. Almost.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

It was literally a statement of fact. If you're fine with those two things then your route works.

[–]xddm26531 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

You can have kids without being in a relationship. Tf. You think cavemen gave a fuck about a relationship?

[–]GiraffeOnWheels-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

That's why I also added the part about being a shitty parent.

[–]xddm26530 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Blue pill as fuck to think you have to be committed to a woman to be a good parent.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah you're right. I'm rp because I'm getting a woman committed to me to raise our kid.

If you're trying to do it on your own you're a failure.

[–]xddm26530 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Its a woman's job to raise a baby. Theres a reason men cant breast feed

Your relationship fantasy goes against nature

[–]GiraffeOnWheels-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

It does go against nature. It builds civilization and our culture. Our children need men. You can bitch out if you want

[–]nidham210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Watch coach red pill video about where to find women. I hope that helps

[–]mickymark10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Set your intentions. LT relationships mean genuine and clean intentions. The way you talk about rotating plates leads me to believe your true intention is to have a long term fuck buddy. Not the same thing- they rarely pass one year.

[–]trpppp1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a bit in the same boat. Not sure about LTR material, but when I've been on my travels in Central America and parts of SEA, I've noticed the local women quality to be much higher. Unfortunately I don't live there or plan to so I can't say what their long-term quality is like, but it did seem that way.

[–]someonesopinion69690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That just means you're damaged. not everyone is super fucked up, but you do create the reactions in other people

[–]cadaemos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ahm... Depression... Lots of them with some kind of "depression" or along the way of hating their life.

[–]htowntrav0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m gonna try my luck in the rock climbing community. I’m going to work on my skills and my smv in this community before I start gaming. It takes a fair amount of physical capabilities, skill, patience, persistence. Plus the people I’ve come across have a charismatic atmosphere around them. So I’m working towards finding an LTR. If that’s not in the cards for me I still have an amazing and versatile skill/hobby that will push my strength/stamina.

[–]lonewolfsrise0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The harsh truth is that we are all damaged and you gotta settle for someone who's good enough not perfect. Learn to accept and live with people's imperfections.

[–]Hyper_Sonik-4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Don't be looking for LTR, That is a bluepill fantasy.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yikes

[–]Aptote0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

silly

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eventually, the majority of us will end up in LTRs or be alone smashing hoes until depression hits

[–]moltenw-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed.

Too many people here trying to fulfill their bluepill expectations with redpill knowledge.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What makes u so special? These chicks are flakey? But don't u just want a "easy" regular lay?, join the long queues...

[–]Crixusgannicus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Learn the ways of the For-- no no..not that ..Learn the ways of the Crazy/Hot Matrix

https://imgur.com/gallery/ik9LqSX While like anything else, it doesn't always work but its close enough to reality to be useful.

[–]thesquarerootof1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus, did I write this post on another account or something ? It's like everyone sucks and has some sort of "loophole" with them. Not only do a lot of women have a lot of issues, but they are hard to get because there are so many dicks trying to get with them. There must be somewhere in the world where I can literally just choose whomever I want (with a few limits of course) because it is sure as hell not in the US. The US is way too competitive. Even ugly girls here have a lot of options.

[–]TrimHer-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The question is what do you want a woman for? If it's for anything other than to procreate, spin plates. If it's to procreate, make motherfuckin' sure you keep screening as tightly as you are.

[–]phoenix_md-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Become Christian -> marry wholesome, virgin, Christian girl.



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