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Is this the anger phase? Is there any way past it?

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February 27, 2019

So for my younger years i mostly played video games and wasn’t really good with girls until i turned 20. I’m 23 now and I guess you could say that i am a bonafide fuckboy now and the girls love it and i do way better than when i was a nice guy trying to find a girlfriend.

Even despite all this i still want to eventually have a family, i don’t think there is a world where i will not want children and a wife. But my problem is that every girl i meet they always end up revealing their pasts to me somehow and i always have the nagging thought that the old me wouldn’t have been able to have her.

I live in san diego and almost every girl i meet has an n-count of over 5 and a history of one night stands, and it sickens me i just wish i could find a somewhat wholesome girl, because i find it hard to even enjoy spending time with what i would consider a hoe. And every time i see a girl i meet a girl i just assume she’s a hoe and it makes me hate them and basically hate women.

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Title Is this the anger phase? Is there any way past it?
Author Stepbacks
Upvotes 87
Comments 158
Date 27 February 2019 03:49 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]AnyDoughnut78 points79 points  (13 children) | Copy

You need to learn to make the best of what is available to you. If you want a wife and kids you're going to have to realize that AWALT and your future wife can, and there is a good chance she will, torpedo your life at any point without any real wrongdoing on your part.

No matter how solid your frame is, how alpha you may be, there are always other more appealing options out there.

With all that being said, you're not going to find a wholesome non-hypergamous woman on this planet. You're either going to have to take a chance on one woman and realize she can wreck your life down the road at any moment or not attempt at starting a family.

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy

I am willing to be my best self and be the best a girl can get but I have a hard time accepting these girls with these awful pasts and they all do i feel like i got to them too late

[–]Bleu_Cheese_Pursuits21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

I feel like you're still under the impression that if you're "the best a girl can get" that she will be somehow less likely to fuck-up your life. Women cheat on the men who give them everything all of the time; and then divorce that man out of boredom, and keep everything he owns. Find a partner, have kids, do not get married. It is a terrible deal for men. You're just rolling the dice with half your shit for the rest of your life. If a woman doesn't want to start a family without you completely foregoing your rights, then I wouldn't trust her as a partner anyway. And pre-nups are now being disregarded by judges because as we know, family courts operate extra-judicially. So you are not safe no matter how you play it.

[–]AnyDoughnut20 points21 points  (6 children) | Copy

I know where you're coming from. No one wants to wife up a ho, and that is what many women are today.

Unfortunately, you're going to have to accept the reality today is most young women go through an extremely promiscuous stage. It is unlikely you're going to be the first rodeo she's been on.

Don't swim upstream and try struggling against reality. Deal with it and accept your not going to be the first, or likely even within the first 5, dudes that she has banged.

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

It doesn’t bother me if a girl has a past like if she had 4 or 5 boyfriends even like a guy she was fwb with its just rough when a well put together girl tells me she fucked some dude who works at burger king in a club bathroom stall

[–]BurnoutRS3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You seem to be nitpicking shit that doesnt really matter. In the above post you mention an N count of over 5 as being something you perceive to be negative. Then you state 4-5 girls is fine. this just seems like arbitrary shit that you have to make a decision on.

A lot of your indecisiveness is based on sentences that start with "I feel" stop feeling, and start thinking. I garauntee that if you were fucking a chick who had been dicked down 100 times, and she was able to maintain, in your mind, the illusion that you were only her 2nd or 3rd...

A lot of it is just perception. Oftentimes telling yourself something like "I cant stop thinking about it" is the sole reason you cant stop thinking about it.

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

“i feel like” is something that i just say a lot it’s like ummm or like to me

and the second paragraph you make a really good point honestly

[–]BurnoutRS3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

continue to justify your inadequacies by saying "its just who I am"

[–]vivid_mind0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

But why wouldn't she?

[–]VigilantSmartbomb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

right lol

[–]BradyBrosef335 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

honestly man I know exactly what you feel and I am so glad this is a thing.

I just thought it was a jealousy thing for myself but I hate the idea of a girl I wanna be with having a 'past' like that

[–]biezpiens5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

no man wants his girl to be fucked by other dudes, whether it's in past, present or future. simple.

don't ever downgrade this feeling to jealousy, it's an instinct deeply rooted within you as a man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It must really be a male instinct. I used to think that it was just me and that it was jealousy. But no matter how I wrap my mind around it, I get incredibly disgusted and turned off fast over very easy girls or girls that mention their pasts. I don't want to touch them at all.

[–]thirstybitch1316 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's possible as your game improves and you get more selective, you might start meeting girls who aren't as into 1 night stands. Lots of us with exceptional game (i won't count myself yet) can easily get the kind of girl who doesn't usually get "gotten". In other words, the 7/10s of the world who are easy pickings if you run your game right, you can bang a thousand of those. They'll get boring after a while, and you start looking for the chicks who don't have the super-damaged daddy issue psycho mentality. Once you find out where to source those (think day game in a bookstore, not night game at a club), you'll probably start meeting more of the "quality" girls. Read the posts about quality items to look for and remember, a big part of being a redpilled alpha is going after what you want, regardless of what some guy on this sub says you should be doing. A PUA knows how to get chicks into bed and spin some plates, but a true alpha says "this chick is the right person to have my kids".

while 18 and 8 guys sounds particularly heinous, remember that sometimes a girl just happened to cross paths with a few guys like us. I don't think a girls' N count says as much about her as it does about the kind of guys who have been gaming her. Ok, maybe it's both. But the point is, AWALT and a virgin just hasn't been gamed yet. I'm all for finding a girl who hasn't fucked half of san diego, but I also get that her N count doesn't matter nearly as much to me as her upbringing, how she treats me, and how she responds to my behavior. When all of those things line up, I don't really care how many dicks have been in her. Mine's the one that counts.

[–]agree-with-you2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I agree, this does seem possible.

[–]thirstybitch136 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

relevant username.

[–]reddit309 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

lmao his comment history is all just saying I agree.

[–]thirstybitch133 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep i fell for that sassy bitch!

[–]Hyper_Sonik13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't wait too long. Most chicks over 28 have at least 1 kid.

[–]rugged797 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're going to have to find some girls that don't fuck so easily. Problem is, they don't fuck so easily.

[–]DeGENZerate28 points29 points  (13 children) | Copy

High testosterone leads to protective behavior. This is becase the sex horomone wants to protect your offspring. Which the degenerate West wont allow you. So fuck

When you want a wife or wives then a foriegn country in south america or southeast asia is likely your best bet. No gay laws and women that love Americans

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I have been thinking about moving to japan after i’m done with school but i have a bunch of buddies in the navy that lived there and either they are lying to me or they aren’t that different from the girls here

[–]vivid_mind4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think girls in Japan are even worse.

[–]danakdakdnakdn3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s because they likely live in Okinawa which is pretty American (dad lives there for years)

[–]rockyp321 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Wouldn’t that be viewed as a beta behavior tho? Or am I wrong that being over protective is a bad tendency

[–]ZeppKfw1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

It depends. If your girl is in trouble you gotta protect her, that's what men do, not some pussy ass beta. If you protect her by mateguarding then yes that's pretty fuckin gay man, don't do that

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Isn’t mateguarding what he is saying is a high testosterone trait

[–]ZeppKfw1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It shows insecurity. Alphas don't care

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That why is he saying that’s what high test people do

[–]ZeppKfw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it's a high T trait. The way you're protecting your girl is the thing you should be looking at.

[–]ZeppKfw-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Latin girls are good for LTRs especially coming from a conservative culture. +1 on that

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Only the hispanas living in their native country are maybe good for LTR, and that's a maybe. Don't touch one that is in the states, they're even worse than other Western women. Because not only are they entitled, they have an aggressive temper too.

[–]ZeppKfw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, I didn't knew that's the situation there. Thanks for pointing that out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As someone who is in a relationship with a Latin girl PLEASE disregard this. Sexually she is much more conservative (although she has talked multiple times about getting a sugar daddy if she was single) but her temper is unreal and she is impossible to deal with.

[–]Juxtapointer37 points38 points  (4 children) | Copy

Do not try to use red pill truths to achieve blue pill dreams.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

So wanting to spread your seed and carry your familial line is blue pill now? Fuck outta here with that bullshit.

[–]augustopinochet274 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea bro. Havent you heard? Reproduction is for blue pilled betas lol.

[–]BurnoutRS1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

fuck outta here with your misinterpretations

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

What did I misinterpret?

[–]look_up_there27 points28 points  (11 children) | Copy

What the fuck? You sleep around how ever you want and then expect to find a perfect girl that has no history and will unconditionally love you for the rest of time? Are you still blue pilled?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. What makes this guy so entitled?

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy

not the perfect girl just not a millennial slut

[–]look_up_there12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fair. But that is exactly what the western culture is making out of girls these days and I don't ever see it changing, not in our lifetime anyway. Social media has destroyed any hope of that. A big city in the u.s might not be the best place to find a girl who is innocent and sheltered from the garbage that the media throws at them

[–]AHappyChappy 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

But you’re also a millennial slut. Sounds like they’re perfect for you

[–]theherosmyth 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

THANK YOU! Exactly what I was thinking. “I’m a bonafide fuckboy”

3 seconds later

“Women have an n count of 5 and it sickens me.”

C’mon dude. Come the fuck on.

[–]basebool 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

This is what I hate about red pill sometimes. It's not about hating women's traits, it's about accepting who they are and working around that to still get what you want.

[–]ModTheRedPike[M] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

And what's wrong with wanting someone that isn't the town bike? The moralizing in this thread is pathetic. No woman need settle with a man that isn't what she wants. No man need settle with a woman that isn't what he wants. What either have done themselves is irrelevant.

[–]basebool1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

He is angry that he's a fuckboy and that the women he fucks are sluts who he can never see marrying or having kids with. And I agree don't settle for someone you don't want, but if your a coke addict that is disgusted by other coke addicts, you can see why it's so stupid.

[–]ModTheRedPike2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Coke addicts snort the same coke with the same appendage. Men and women fuck differently, just as they act differently, just as they are different.

[–]bionix900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If they're under 20-21, they're actually Gen Z sluts.

[–]CainPrice42 points43 points  (18 children) | Copy

You're young yet. You haven't really experienced women - like actually gotten to know them and how they think. You've gotten in deep enough to fuck some of them, but you don't really, really know them and how they work.

You have these weird, naive ideas that a woman is supposed to sit around saving herself for a perfect future husband that she hasn't met yet, who may never come, instead of just having and enjoying sex with a guy who seems all right when the opportunity comes along. You have this bizarre covert contract between yourself and the universe where if you become cool and do the right behaviors, you'll meet this magical woman who has lived her entire life chastely waiting to be your girlfriend.

Women enjoy sex and when they have the opportunity to enjoy sex, they do so. They really and truly enjoy sex - how it feels, how it makes them feel, how fun and dirty and sometimes creative it can be. The involvement of the guy, another body pressed against theirs. It's not some twisted encounter where a girl gave herself up to a guy who tricked her or a guy who's so hot she was enthralled and helpless and gave him an eternal piece of her heart and now she's never whole again. It's not some dark tactic where she was trying to manipulate guys into giving her free stuff or dating her seriously. It's not some trick where she was hiding her sexual side to con guys into relationships. It's literally just women enjoying sex because it's fun and feels good.

You're silly to want to get married in the first place. But on top of that, you're hoping to find some kind of pristine virgin who's been waiting her entire life for you?

[–]rockyp323 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

So u don’t want kids?

[–]vivid_mind-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What this has to do with having kids?

[–]JarHeadJoseph15 points16 points  (15 children) | Copy

This is some cuckhold shit, way too descriptive. Bizarre descriptive.

[–]CainPrice6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy

If you want to fuck women, it helps a lot to understand women.

The fact that last year, before you met her and before you existed in her life, some girl you're fucking today had casual sex with 10 other guys isn't "cucking" you. Today's your turn, and now you're fucking her. And if you're any good at the game, you're fucking half a dozen other girls just like her and constantly meeting more. And she's probably fucking half a dozen other guys just like you and constantly meeting more.

This is how the sex game works today. Meeting a young virgin through her parents and being approved to court her, then eventually marrying her and starting a family in a society where nobody cheats or divorces because they'll be socially shunned forever ended ages and ages ago. Today, the game is casual sex with other people who are also having casual sex. It's that or jerk off.

There's nothing "wrong" with a slutty girl. Slutty girls can be perfectly fine people to hang out with, fuck, and enjoy, both for their bodies and as people. Don't marry them, obviously, and certainly don't expect many of them to act like good wife or good girlfriend material. But this idea that these are terrible women and you're a cuck for ever dealing with them is silly. Take your turn, enjoy the sex, don't get married.

[–]nowboarding 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

What do you mean by enjoy them as people? Apart from sex if I’m never going to fulfill my (naive and unrealistic) notions of marriage and true love then what else do I stand to gain?

[–]CainPrice3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

If all you're after is an orgasm, you can jerk off and avoid dealing with women entirely.

Casual sex is about having another person involved. That's the entire point. Having another human there, feeling her body, hearing her voice, the build-up as you spend an hour flirting, the tension as you drive home, the excitement as you tear into teach other, enjoying the ways she's fun or creative, enjoying the ways she's different, enjoying the ways she's like other girls. Just enjoying the experience. Enjoying the fact that she's human. Actually enjoying interacting with her. Not just the sex, but what she's like. The things that make her different from other girls, the things that make her the same.

That interaction with another human is what makes casual sex more than just jerking off.

Plenty of slutty girls are perfectly fine people that are fun to know and spend time with. It's a lonely life without other people in it.

[–]soadaa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just wanted to say I think you have a great point. I've known for a while I enjoy sex with an LTR more than just casual sex, I just like the way you worded it all.

My last experience with this was first meeting my last ex. I thought she was average or so and wasn't sure if I would keep seeing her. Yet it turned into the best sex/ltr I've had in my life after getting to know her and getting introduced into bdsm and kink.

Perhaps TRP played a role in making the relationship more enjoyable as I had just starting reading it maybe or month or so before meeting her.

Regardless, as to the guy you were responding, you don't need to get married/find true love into order to have a bond with someone and enjoy it without also over-investing to the point of Beta Bucks.

[–]JarHeadJoseph-3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy

No it’s just that you unnecessarily went into so much detail. Chill dawg

[–]CainPrice6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

Believe it or not, it helps to really picture the world through the woman's eyes like that. When she says, "I hooked up with a guy like that once", that's a one-second statement. But that one-second statement to you was an experience for her. Meeting the guy for an hour or two, being flirty and fun with him, the excitement following him back to his place, making out, petting, different positions, going down on each other - how it all felt at the time both emotionally and physically, right up to saying thankyou and the hug goodbye.

When you've had a good number of casual experiences with women and can picture what they're like a little better, it makes a lot more sense what women are looking for and why they do it. It's not some black-and-white, autistic, incomprehensible thing where a guy can declare, "OMG! She's had casual sex?! What a slut! How could she have done that?" You hit this point where you get it and you get where women are coming from and why they're like that.

[–]nowboarding 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Enjoyed your entire string of comments in this thread. I know it’s the right way to think about it but even reading what you wrote I still get an emotional anger reaction. Are you really as nonreactive in real life about all this or is it for the purposes of the comments? If the former how the hell did you actually change your thinking about this and get rid of the emotional sting?

[–]CainPrice2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a little older than a lot of the guys around here. Closer to 40 than 30. The 2000s had barely begun and I was already done with college. I had girlfriends on and off for most of my life growing up and in my 20s, but never had casual sex. And I didn't have sex with a lot of my girlfriends - I thought the right thing to do was be nice and respectful and wait until we were really serious and then maybe she'd be ready. The usual crap.

I found myself in a really bad relationship. Not much sex. She was a bitch with serious gratitude problems. And that's when I found The Red Pill subreddit. Doing Red Pill stuff made my shitty relationship a little less shitty. Sex increased, her attitude changed from mostly bitch all the time to alternating bouts of extreme bitchy and bouts of eerie silence. We weren't happy, though.

So I get dumped a few months later, I shrug, and the very next day, I make an online dating profile, and it turns out that all of this working out and acting confident has done me a world of good. I have more dates than I have time.

So I found myself in this position where I'm dating a really slutty younger girl, and I'm feeling angry and insecure about that. Because here's a woman who spent college and her 20s hooking up with a couple dozen guys for fun while I spent mine with a mostly chaste string of girlfriends.

The thing is, I wasn't mad at her, or at women, or at my parents or society or feminism, or whatever. I was mad at myself. I didn't get it back then. I didn't know the game or the rules, and I was playing the wrong game. I would have liked to have taken part in the casual sex culture, but I didn't know enough to do it. And that's on me. Women didn't do that to me.

Women did exactly what I would have done in their place - what I wanted to do but didn't know how. They played the game better than I did and enjoyed casual sex while I was clueless. And that's my fault, not theirs.

I was directing my anger in the wrong place. Here I was hating women to avoid being angry with myself. But the thing is, here I was looking good with more dates than I have time, hooking up with a younger girl. I had nothing to be angry about. I wasn't angry about what was going on today. I was angry about how things went down in the past. I had to let that go. I needed to forgive myself for not getting it and for being that guy who didn't get it. Once I let that guy go and forgave myself for being him, it was a lot easier to really and truly enjoy women instead of seething about them just under the surface.

The Red Pill helped me with that, too. Every day, you can see that there are a lot of guys out there who don't get it. It's okay to have not gotten it. But eventually, you have to let that go. Now that you get it, forget about the times when you didn't and go enjoy some women.

[–]JarHeadJoseph-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

You’re overthinking this my man

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe. I tend to do better if I really get a woman and what's driving her. It also helps me be less weird and angry when a woman has a massive sex history or if a woman isn't acting like good girlfriend or wife material.

When a guy doesn't understand and the things a girl does just don't compute to him, that's when the guy gets all weird and angry and frustrated.

[–]JarHeadJoseph0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That’s all well and good and I support it but only when you explain it that way. You don’t need to go into a literal 1000 word essay about my mannnn

[–]VigilantSmartbomb1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just because he's smart he's over thinking it? Lol Get ya head outa that Jar Joseph lmaoo
Dude has game.

[–]ModTheRedPike[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If I asked him to write it in crayon, would that help? Wtf?

[–]JarHeadJoseph0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah crayon would be better

[–]serve_my_goddess1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Found the cuck

[–]PlantainNationalism20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

Now I'm fucking angry

[–]Count_Giggles7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy

you consider someone with a n-count of 5 a hoe? buddy u nee a reality check

[–]drakehfh1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Actually in some Eastern countries that's the reality.

[–]nowboarding 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Which ones? As a guy who likes white girls I guarantee you that any country you have in mind is not a white country.

[–]drakehfh0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There are no black countries on the Eastern Europe.

[–]Dynampulse-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

I live in europe, and if a girl has higher n count than 5 she is definately a fkin hoe.

[–]Count_Giggles0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

your worldview seems to be distorted. i think it is perfectly normal for a 25 y/o women to have slept with about 30 man (that's on the far low end) if she has been sexually active from the age of 15 that's 3 guys per year. that's not hoeing. that is exploring your sexuality.

[–]Dynampulse0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Aka riding the cc (but you expressed yourself beautifully)

[–]Count_Giggles1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nah man. the cc would be >50 at 25 at least in my world. Tbh you strike me as a little jealous. My intention is not to offend you - i just wonder how you can get anything out of women if you consider anyone with 5 lays a hoe. man i am glad when my plates are experienced. i am sick of teaching them how to suck dick properly.

edit: idk where you live but i am from berlin / germany so maybe it is a different world in the capital

[–]Dynampulse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry mate, I took this a bit hot headedly, I admit. I live in an eastern European country tho. Actually the capital here feels like a whole other country, I go to university in a more like rural area, girls here are a bit more traditional. Being an eastern country we developed much slower after ww2 you know. As you said things, it really doesnt seem so bad(im talking about 3 guys a year), im 23 but I couldnt really bear if my ltr had like 10 guys before me. I didnt care how many guys my old plates been with, doesnt matter. My current ltr have been with 2 guys before me, and it bothered me a bit(probably because my ncount is not enormously high either). And I cant really imagine being in an ltr with a girl higher than like 8.

[–]reddit309 1 points [recovered]  (63 children) | Copy


Why do you think you even deserve a virgin wife to settle down with when you yourself are not practicing purity yourself? Like, you are sleeping around and complaining that every girl you meet also sleeps around. Are you even aware of this hypocrisy?

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (46 children) | Copy

Yeah i’m aware i just don’t really care is it wrong to be selfish why would i want someone like me? and isn’t it true that girls are more attracted to guys that get a lot of girls??

[–]CodyCodeine5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I respect the game you’ve got, but boy do I not want to end up like you

[–]reddit309 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

holy shit you are delusional. lets break this down.

" why would i want someone like me? "

............................................................. -_- *sigh*

In order you words you want someone who is BETTER than you. Why would anyone who is BETTER than you settle for you? Why would a high virtue virgin girl with moral standards want to be with YOU when there are better guys out there that are high virtue virgins that are AT LEAST as attractive as you.

" and isn’t it true that girls are more attracted to guys that get a lot of girls??

No. You are on the right track but you are still completely wrong in what you said. Girls are more attracted to guys that CAN get a lot of girls. They want a guy who HAS OPTIONS but CHOOSES her. Sleeping with lots of girls doesn't make you attractive.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

As soon as I saw that faggot emote I knew something was up. Gtfo and stop trying to give advice.

[–]CodyCodeine 1 points [recovered]  (41 children) | Copy

It is, but you reap what you sew. You’re a massive hypocrite and clearly not all that smart

[–]ModTheRedPike[M] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Enough of the slap fighting, ladies. /u/Stepbacks

[–]CodyCodeine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes ma’am

[–]CodyCodeine-1 points0 points  (15 children) | Copy

u/stepbacks hey dumb ass, stop being a coward and reply to the people dropping the truth on you. You reap what you sew

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (14 children) | Copy

woah relax i’m on facetime right now hold on i got you

[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

That was instant. I think you’re lying. Coward

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy

i saw them i just wasn’t responding because i’m on the phone

[–]feedthecatcomics2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

From cal also. I've met 2 virgins over 25, they r out there no worries. But guess what? It's really not that important to me as how good our conversation is and how we vibe. Yea don't wife a girl who's banged all your friends, but it's not a bad thing she did a little of what you do every weekend. A virgin won't solve your issues(infact your better off with girl who's only gotten terrible dick, cuz she will appreciate yours more.) Change how you meet girls so you find people you vibe with better. Also virgins use tinder dude, your perceptions are off base :/

[–]muddynips2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your expectations are still too high.

Lower them, reevaluate your thots, keep the ones that are still worth it. If none are worth it, congratulations; you’re MGTOW. If some are worth it, congrats on the sex.

Stop looking for a girl who doesn’t fuck greasy dudes in bathroom stalls. They all do some form of this, at some point in their lives.

[–]TheFastCat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are in the stage of your life where you are better served spending the next ten years of your life committed to improving yourself: your career, your health (lifting, diet and mental health), your experience (accruing experiences: dating, failure, successes), skills (cooking), hobbies (reading, learning, travel). Along the way you will meet, date many women. Some may stick around for a few years. Just keep committing to yourself first and you will end up where you need to be. Maybe that is with a good woman in a LTR, or maybe it is as a better version of yourself -- either way, you win. Just don't lose. You can imagine the various situations in which you lose. Don't do that. Edit -- also regarding N-count -- get yours high enough and the N-count of girls won't abhor you anymore I promise. You need to get it high for this reason alone. You do not want to be a slave to that insecurity.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Madonnas don't exist.


Chasing unicorns. WHy?

What's "wholesome" to you and why is it so important?

You hate birds for flying and fish for swimming?

Women are designed to fuck men. So they do.

Get over yourself. Why does it twist your panties?

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

I understand that no woman is perfect i just have 4 criteria

Not a lot or no social media No frat parties No tinder bumble Not a slut

If there’s no such thing and that’s a unicorn maybe i need to come to terms

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

Time and attention for sex.

That's the broken down core transaction between the sexes.

socmed and online dating are huge effortless time and attention getters for women.

frat parties I agree with.

Slut is a subjective word, it's meaning is unique to you.

But, think about this....even if you find your virgin Amish runaway unicorn, what do you think she's going to do once you introduce her to fucking and your time and attention? Think she might want more? To experience some strange dick? To whore out on insta?

Or you planning on keeping her in a cage?

Your expectations are incongruent with reality.

You're oddly looking to put a woman on a pedestal but don't want anyone else to look at her.

That's Buffalo Bill level.

It's just sex.

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I don’t need a perfect girl i just don’t want a girl that posted a picture on insta at a frat party saying looking for daddies

[–]ArnoldBateman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

from my experience girls often aren’t as extreme in the direction that you want you to think they are. A girl who insists she’s innocent is defending her innocence to herself because she feels guilty. A girl who says she’s a huge slut and posts stuff about looking for daddies often is trying to convince herself she’s more spontaneous and fun than she actually is because she feels that she’s boring. Just my opinion. Would love feedback on this theory.

[–]JSuma3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is the world we live in. Don’t let external things control your emotions aka break your frame. Especially when youre alone.

[–]theherosmyth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. It is what it is and there’s nothing you can do about it. Just be happy you see reality for what it is and act accordingly.

[–]1XXXMersenne1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

end up revealing their pasts to me somehow and i always have the nagging thought that the old me wouldn’t have been able to have her.

The 'old you' wouldn't have even been able to GET HER IN THE FIRST PLACE

Everyone has baggage and a "past" - take yourself for example. Look beyond the stories of the person and if what you're seeing on a day to day basis is good (habits), that's a good enough metric to go off of.


find a somewhat wholesome girl

Probably tricky in US. Go abroad. A lot of Eastern Europe & Asian chicks are not only easier to 'game' but have solid values that'll dovetail well into your fam goals.

But remember, Like attracts like.


i just assume she’s a hoe and it makes me hate them

Be open to experience then. Fuck your prejudices off and meet them as a fresh person. Don't "I have a boyfriend" them without getting to know them. You know how annoying that can be. However if you start seeing red flags feel free to wave em off.


until she told me she fucked 8 guys

Chicks are gonna fuck dude. Keep ur shit together and pump them with feels if you can be fucked and she'll get emotionally addicted (it can be fun once you're adept - it's self-amusing to be able to button push so easily).

From there enforce clear boundaries with very real consequences if she starts acting up. Just like if someone you respect a lot invites you for dinner you're a lot less likely to do your usual dumb/unfocused/careless shit. You'll behave.

[–]Chad_pronouns1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you want a wife and kids you need to ride the hypergamy train to the top. You can do this with appearance, money, and status. This isn't as bad as it sounds, because you are a man and have all the time in the world. Women do not.

Don't start looking to settle down until you are 30. The women you are dating now are thinking the same way (and it will be their doom, since their n-count will be through the roof and their looks will fade). Wait until you are financially secure, have a home, have established your career on an upward path.

This is the person you are competing against RIGHT NOW for these 23 year old women. That is the guy you want to be when dating. Women date up - so wait until you are at the top. In the meantime, just fuck around.

[–]CharlesChadworth4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good for you my man. Never marry a thot. My suggestion is slam as many sluts as you can and watch these sluts hit post wall and latch on to Mr beta bux.

Don't let the west dictate you into becoming a cuck for these whores. If enough men stood their ground half the women would have no choice but to listen to men's desires. That or they become lesbians and have 20 cats as pets. Yet they know as long as the thirst is strong, their cunt will quench it like an ice cold solo drink in summer.

You be you mang and never let anyone tell you LTRing or marrying a slut is okay. Because it most certainly is not.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she's Asian and was born in the west, be EXTREMELY careful. Feminists love to sink their claws into those girls because they are certain to become high earners. Enjoy the sex but by gods, don't let your emotions fool you. She's fucked eight guys. Her ability to pair bond has been utterly destroyed. Take that yamato nadeshiko fantasy, rip it out of your head and smash it to pieces. It isn't real. IT WILL GET YOU ME TOO'D.

You got your turn, now move on.

[–]chomponthebit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your reaction to sluts is natural: if males need to know the offspring are theirs before investing time, energy, and material resources in them, yet Western females have a history on the cock carousel, how can any of us possibly commit to them? Their past is the single best indicator of their future behaviour. If women want commitment, they must prove their worth. Men’s Rights, MTGTOW, and RP are proof that men are waking up and have just about had it with slutwalkers. I expect women will stage a counter-revolution against 3rd wave feminism within the next few decades: enough women are growing of recreational dick and the growing unwillingness of men to commit to thots

[–]maljo244 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ignore the N count. Least important characteristic of a woman.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Just chill out, you are making yourself angry over nothing.

[–]PlantainNationalism 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

No the fuck he isn't. He's got me heated too. You start out wanting pussy so bad and you grow up into a man that's pretty cool, you can't believe it. You're getting girls, life's great. One problem, they're all whoores, which was fine at first, but you're a fucking man now. Fuck them. I got man shit to do. I want my first born son to be a fucking thoroughbred and these thots can't understand that. I gotta move to fucking Afghanistan to find a girl that hasn't had a bus load of cocks ran through her. This is infuriating.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sounds like you think you deserve something.

I don't complain, I work and find what I want.

[–]PlantainNationalism 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Bitch, you don't think you deserve anything? I certainly do. I'm not mad cause shit isn't perfect. I'm mad because I'm literally going to pack my shit and leave the West

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[–]Lambdal71 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Because you have a strong bias after spending time here that an n-count is the most important thing and other pseudo-scientific views. Trp has some truths, but it’s very radical and not so useful if you let it dictate your life.

[–]red_matrix1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

High N-count means she has a low ability to pair bond. There’s a reason most women over 30 are unhappy and turn feminism. TRP is the truth, avoid it at your own peril.

[–]Lambdal70 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

There are many many confounding variables that make this metric unreliable. For example, high libido women naturally have a higher n count than low libido women, same goes for extroverted vs. introverted, latina vs. northern european/asian, feminine vs. masculine which occur in infidel and loyal women alike.

If you take n-count as a your main metric, you’re optimizing for low-libido, introverted, unfeminine women. That’s why n-count as the main metric is very flawed.

Now, you need to decide, do you want a low-libido, unfeminine, introverted woman with an n-count of 3 vs. a high libido, feminine, extroverted woman with an n-count of 8.

[–]red_matrix0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lol. A high libido woman can still have a low n-count (long term relationship, marriage, etc). Women don’t need to ride the CC all day long.

[–]Lambdal70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A unicorn

[–]Cametotherightplace0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you want woman with lower n counts, you're gonna have to go for non-western women or not so good looking women. I'm seeing a plate who has an n-count of 2 if I take her word for the truth. Not the hottest girl I've been with. I have acquaintances who have started families in the phillipines. They give the family and their wife money and they raise "your children". As far as your question goes, I personally believe anger phase is cyclical as long as you hold onto goal of having wife and kids.

[–]superjetale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think in the opposite way. Every girl at one point did or will be having a ONS. That will be with Chad. If a girl ask me to wait 2 o 3 dates to have sex, that means she is seeing me as a beta not as Chad, hence, i dont want her. All of them are what you call hoes (i believe every person has the right to sleep with as many partners they want and be happy in this life) you just need to make sure she sees you as an alpha.

[–]red_matrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hypergamy is part of female biology, there is no escaping it...especially in the west where our society and culture amplify and even encourage hypergamy. The game is the game and it’s stacked against men.

Enjoy the decline.

[–]VigilantSmartbomb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

annndddd the OTHER crux of why I hate this thread lol.

you don't attract those end goal type women. There's alphas, Betas, AND OMEGAS. But people forget the third tier who are their own people and don't play into the game but are just as valuable if not more so for their individuality. Idk, at least in my experience. Prolly long term going for Omega, but they're extremely hard to find and tend to stay clear of all gaming individuals because, well, they just have different priorities. I mean we've all at least KNOWN someone that breaks the scale 11/10 but doesn't react like an alpha. She's calculating. & then on the flip side, we all also are probably familiar with some 50+ dude who's still a bachelor that the town talks about behind his back, people he couldn't even know.

Like okay before the downvotes reign in, yeah upping your game is amazing, but that's not the only thing to a relationship lol. You gonna keep frame when your mom dies because of some superficial subreddit in the name of getting pussy? or are you gonna cry like a little bitch and actually let the one you chose to be in your life console you. 8 dicks in her or not dude if 8 chicks threw themselves at you youd prolly bangem too so watch the double standard too.

edit: and no I don't want to have a discussion on some betas theory of why I'm wrong. Just downvote me and move on I'm not replying.

[–]the13thmonk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I also have several buddies living out in Cali. One of them is looking for what you are and is specifically moving back to the Midwest to find a more wholesome girl.

They exist in Cali but are harder to find. Maybe do a stint in the south when you truly feel like that’s why you want

Also 23 is young to do this imo

[–]augustopinochet270 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Find a muslim or mormon girl. Or go to Asia.

[–]rpmc830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The girl who took my virginity when I was 19 had been with close to 30 guys and she was 21. It fucked with my head a bit at the time, and I was super blue-pilled. I'm now 35, tried lots of women and this high n-count seems really common. I no longer care about it, ask about it or divulge mine. It's a number you will hear from your girl and brand onto your brain forever. Totally unhealthy. You need to stop caring about history and focus on identifying whether or not you and your girl have a healthy dynamic together.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i don’t think there is a world where i will not want children and a wife

Don't fucking marry - this is just providing her a financial incentive to LEAVE you. She's more likely to stay if she doesn't get a financial reward for leaving. Don't be an idiot...... have children if you like, but marriage is a financial suicide pact with the government. You never win at marriage (as a guy), and most don't even manage a draw. Most lose.

I just met this really cute innocent looking asian girl that’s 18 and things were going good until she told me she fucked 8 guys and it kind of has me mad/sad for my future

She's lying, it's not 8.#

Hate to break it to you but that wholesome virgin of your dreams doesn't exist and never did. You were sold a lie in order to secure your providership.

Live your own life for yourself and stop hoping to find happiness in a woman.

[–]QuasarAfterLife0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eat raw animal fats it's the fastest way, no pasteurized garbage

[–]boom_bostic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You talk about how the old you couldn’t have the caliber of women that you can now attract. What you need to remember is that the old you was a loser. The good thing about life is that you are not the man you used to be. You have matured, increased your personal value as well as your SMP value. Another thing. Worrying about women’s N-count after a certain age is kind of pointless. Would it be nice to find a woman who is a virgin or only been with one guy...sure. But it’s not reality. There’s not many out there..& especially not over 21 yrs old. The older you get, it only gets worse. Instead of worrying about n-count, my advice would be to worry about the moment you’re in. She’s letting you have exclusive access. You must be doing something right. Worrying about her past is worrying about something that you can’t control. Now, if she reveals that she used to love double pen or something crazy...don’t fret or worry about it, just next her in your mind & disconnect all feelings to her.

Bottom line. Worrying about her n-count is not what a confident man does. It’s not the abundant mentality. You can’t control or change her past. Accept it and own the moment. Or wait the rest of your life for that virgin.

[–]ShakaLifted0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Go find an 18 year old virgin in a third world country, if youre THAT picky. Personally i dont give a fuck about how many dicks have been through her. Thats just me though

[–]z2a1-90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keep slaying until you find a chick you really dig. And just like all your baggage, women have baggage as well. If you can't overlook or accept that then move on. Its pretty simple. Use the tool box as way to achieve what you want, but stop hamstering and improve you!

[–]Chadster1130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why are you 23 and thinking about making a family?

[–]AstuteBlackMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

18 and 8 girls makes you realize there isnt hope to find a 0 n count chick.

Gonna have to find the best one out of a shitty pool and find the least bad traits. Just remember to keep frame if shes an actually good girl and remember awalt. Read trp sidebar daily to remind yourself she'll always flip on you.

I'm in the same boat. Accepted the red pill. But realize most western women are bad apples.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Why do you deserve a wholesome girl when you yourself have a high N count?

[–]Stepbacks 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

who even said my n count as high

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You yourself said you're a bonafide fuckboy now. I was assuming based on what you wrote you've gotten with quite a few women; maybe that's not the case.

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[–]CodyCodeine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Stay silent

[–]Kurush5590 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

This is addressed hundreds of times in trp material

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

What's the reason then?

[–]Kurush5590 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why dont you read the extensive material we provide on this topic? Not everything can be expressed in 10 words

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Of course it can be; we're not talking about a hundred page abstract mathematical proof.

So put another way, you don't know. Thanks Kurush.

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