Is this the anger phase? Is there any way past it?

AnyDoughnut · 2019-02-27T04:19:52+00:00

You need to learn to make the best of what is available to you. If you want a wife and kids you're going to have to realize that AWALT and your future wife can, and there is a good chance she will, torpedo your life at any point without any real wrongdoing on your part.

No matter how solid your frame is, how alpha you may be, there are always other more appealing options out there.

With all that being said, you're not going to find a wholesome non-hypergamous woman on this planet. You're either going to have to take a chance on one woman and realize she can wreck your life down the road at any moment or not attempt at starting a family.

thirstybitch13 · 2019-02-27T07:07:59+00:00

It's possible as your game improves and you get more selective, you might start meeting girls who aren't as into 1 night stands. Lots of us with exceptional game (i won't count myself yet) can easily get the kind of girl who doesn't usually get "gotten". In other words, the 7/10s of the world who are easy pickings if you run your game right, you can bang a thousand of those. They'll get boring after a while, and you start looking for the chicks who don't have the super-damaged daddy issue psycho mentality. Once you find out where to source those (think day game in a bookstore, not night game at a club), you'll probably start meeting more of the "quality" girls. Read the posts about quality items to look for and remember, a big part of being a redpilled alpha is going after what you want, regardless of what some guy on this sub says you should be doing. A PUA knows how to get chicks into bed and spin some plates, but a true alpha says "this chick is the right person to have my kids".

while 18 and 8 guys sounds particularly heinous, remember that sometimes a girl just happened to cross paths with a few guys like us. I don't think a girls' N count says as much about her as it does about the kind of guys who have been gaming her. Ok, maybe it's both. But the point is, AWALT and a virgin just hasn't been gamed yet. I'm all for finding a girl who hasn't fucked half of san diego, but I also get that her N count doesn't matter nearly as much to me as her upbringing, how she treats me, and how she responds to my behavior. When all of those things line up, I don't really care how many dicks have been in her. Mine's the one that counts.

Hyper_Sonik · 2019-02-27T05:59:19+00:00

Don't wait too long. Most chicks over 28 have at least 1 kid.

rugged79 · 2019-02-27T11:48:40+00:00

You're going to have to find some girls that don't fuck so easily. Problem is, they don't fuck so easily.

DeGENZerate · 2019-02-27T04:20:05+00:00

High testosterone leads to protective behavior. This is becase the sex horomone wants to protect your offspring. Which the degenerate West wont allow you. So fuck

When you want a wife or wives then a foriegn country in south america or southeast asia is likely your best bet. No gay laws and women that love Americans

Juxtapointer · 2019-02-27T06:40:23+00:00

Do not try to use red pill truths to achieve blue pill dreams.

look_up_there · 2019-02-27T05:03:21+00:00

What the fuck? You sleep around how ever you want and then expect to find a perfect girl that has no history and will unconditionally love you for the rest of time? Are you still blue pilled?

CainPrice · 2019-02-27T04:31:52+00:00

You're young yet. You haven't really experienced women - like actually gotten to know them and how they think. You've gotten in deep enough to fuck some of them, but you don't really, really know them and how they work.

You have these weird, naive ideas that a woman is supposed to sit around saving herself for a perfect future husband that she hasn't met yet, who may never come, instead of just having and enjoying sex with a guy who seems all right when the opportunity comes along. You have this bizarre covert contract between yourself and the universe where if you become cool and do the right behaviors, you'll meet this magical woman who has lived her entire life chastely waiting to be your girlfriend.

Women enjoy sex and when they have the opportunity to enjoy sex, they do so. They really and truly enjoy sex - how it feels, how it makes them feel, how fun and dirty and sometimes creative it can be. The involvement of the guy, another body pressed against theirs. It's not some twisted encounter where a girl gave herself up to a guy who tricked her or a guy who's so hot she was enthralled and helpless and gave him an eternal piece of her heart and now she's never whole again. It's not some dark tactic where she was trying to manipulate guys into giving her free stuff or dating her seriously. It's not some trick where she was hiding her sexual side to con guys into relationships. It's literally just women enjoying sex because it's fun and feels good.

You're silly to want to get married in the first place. But on top of that, you're hoping to find some kind of pristine virgin who's been waiting her entire life for you?

PlantainNationalism · 2019-02-27T03:51:17+00:00

Now I'm fucking angry

Count_Giggles · 2019-02-27T11:35:06+00:00

you consider someone with a n-count of 5 a hoe? buddy u nee a reality check

reddit309 · 2019-02-27T09:28:23+00:00

Ok.

Why do you think you even deserve a virgin wife to settle down with when you yourself are not practicing purity yourself? Like, you are sleeping around and complaining that every girl you meet also sleeps around. Are you even aware of this hypocrisy?

feedthecatcomics · 2019-02-27T13:07:25+00:00

From cal also. I've met 2 virgins over 25, they r out there no worries. But guess what? It's really not that important to me as how good our conversation is and how we vibe. Yea don't wife a girl who's banged all your friends, but it's not a bad thing she did a little of what you do every weekend. A virgin won't solve your issues(infact your better off with girl who's only gotten terrible dick, cuz she will appreciate yours more.) Change how you meet girls so you find people you vibe with better. Also virgins use tinder dude, your perceptions are off base :/

muddynips · 2019-02-27T14:08:29+00:00

Your expectations are still too high.

Lower them, reevaluate your thots, keep the ones that are still worth it. If none are worth it, congratulations; you’re MGTOW. If some are worth it, congrats on the sex.

Stop looking for a girl who doesn’t fuck greasy dudes in bathroom stalls. They all do some form of this, at some point in their lives.

TheFastCat · 2019-02-27T14:55:56+00:00

You are in the stage of your life where you are better served spending the next ten years of your life committed to improving yourself: your career, your health (lifting, diet and mental health), your experience (accruing experiences: dating, failure, successes), skills (cooking), hobbies (reading, learning, travel). Along the way you will meet, date many women. Some may stick around for a few years. Just keep committing to yourself first and you will end up where you need to be. Maybe that is with a good woman in a LTR, or maybe it is as a better version of yourself -- either way, you win. Just don't lose. You can imagine the various situations in which you lose. Don't do that. Edit -- also regarding N-count -- get yours high enough and the N-count of girls won't abhor you anymore I promise. You need to get it high for this reason alone. You do not want to be a slave to that insecurity.

FereallyRed · 2019-02-27T04:20:44+00:00

Madonnas don't exist.

Deal.

Chasing unicorns. WHy?

What's "wholesome" to you and why is it so important?

You hate birds for flying and fish for swimming?

Women are designed to fuck men. So they do.

Get over yourself. Why does it twist your panties?

JSuma · 2019-02-27T04:36:54+00:00

This is the world we live in. Don’t let external things control your emotions aka break your frame. Especially when youre alone.

XXXMersenne · 2019-02-27T22:55:34+00:00

end up revealing their pasts to me somehow and i always have the nagging thought that the old me wouldn’t have been able to have her.

The 'old you' wouldn't have even been able to GET HER IN THE FIRST PLACE

Everyone has baggage and a "past" - take yourself for example. Look beyond the stories of the person and if what you're seeing on a day to day basis is good (habits), that's a good enough metric to go off of.

find a somewhat wholesome girl

Probably tricky in US. Go abroad. A lot of Eastern Europe & Asian chicks are not only easier to 'game' but have solid values that'll dovetail well into your fam goals.

But remember, Like attracts like.

i just assume she’s a hoe and it makes me hate them

Be open to experience then. Fuck your prejudices off and meet them as a fresh person. Don't "I have a boyfriend" them without getting to know them. You know how annoying that can be. However if you start seeing red flags feel free to wave em off.

until she told me she fucked 8 guys

Chicks are gonna fuck dude. Keep ur shit together and pump them with feels if you can be fucked and she'll get emotionally addicted (it can be fun once you're adept - it's self-amusing to be able to button push so easily).

From there enforce clear boundaries with very real consequences if she starts acting up. Just like if someone you respect a lot invites you for dinner you're a lot less likely to do your usual dumb/unfocused/careless shit. You'll behave.

Chad_pronouns · 2019-02-27T23:13:54+00:00

If you want a wife and kids you need to ride the hypergamy train to the top. You can do this with appearance, money, and status. This isn't as bad as it sounds, because you are a man and have all the time in the world. Women do not.

Don't start looking to settle down until you are 30. The women you are dating now are thinking the same way (and it will be their doom, since their n-count will be through the roof and their looks will fade). Wait until you are financially secure, have a home, have established your career on an upward path.

This is the person you are competing against RIGHT NOW for these 23 year old women. That is the guy you want to be when dating. Women date up - so wait until you are at the top. In the meantime, just fuck around.

CharlesChadworth · 2019-02-27T05:00:40+00:00

Good for you my man. Never marry a thot. My suggestion is slam as many sluts as you can and watch these sluts hit post wall and latch on to Mr beta bux.

Don't let the west dictate you into becoming a cuck for these whores. If enough men stood their ground half the women would have no choice but to listen to men's desires. That or they become lesbians and have 20 cats as pets. Yet they know as long as the thirst is strong, their cunt will quench it like an ice cold solo drink in summer.

You be you mang and never let anyone tell you LTRing or marrying a slut is okay. Because it most certainly is not.

[deleted] · 2019-02-27T06:02:57+00:00

If she's Asian and was born in the west, be EXTREMELY careful. Feminists love to sink their claws into those girls because they are certain to become high earners. Enjoy the sex but by gods, don't let your emotions fool you. She's fucked eight guys. Her ability to pair bond has been utterly destroyed. Take that yamato nadeshiko fantasy, rip it out of your head and smash it to pieces. It isn't real. IT WILL GET YOU ME TOO'D.

You got your turn, now move on.

chomponthebit · 2019-02-27T11:07:04+00:00

Your reaction to sluts is natural: if males need to know the offspring are theirs before investing time, energy, and material resources in them, yet Western females have a history on the cock carousel, how can any of us possibly commit to them? Their past is the single best indicator of their future behaviour. If women want commitment, they must prove their worth. Men’s Rights, MTGTOW, and RP are proof that men are waking up and have just about had it with slutwalkers. I expect women will stage a counter-revolution against 3rd wave feminism within the next few decades: enough women are growing of recreational dick and the growing unwillingness of men to commit to thots

maljo24 · 2019-02-27T11:30:31+00:00

Ignore the N count. Least important characteristic of a woman.

PlantainNationalism · 2019-02-27T03:55:58+00:00

Just chill out, you are making yourself angry over nothing.

Lambdal7 · 2019-02-27T11:44:01+00:00

Because you have a strong bias after spending time here that an n-count is the most important thing and other pseudo-scientific views. Trp has some truths, but it’s very radical and not so useful if you let it dictate your life.

Cametotherightplace · 2019-02-27T09:45:07+00:00

If you want woman with lower n counts, you're gonna have to go for non-western women or not so good looking women. I'm seeing a plate who has an n-count of 2 if I take her word for the truth. Not the hottest girl I've been with. I have acquaintances who have started families in the phillipines. They give the family and their wife money and they raise "your children". As far as your question goes, I personally believe anger phase is cyclical as long as you hold onto goal of having wife and kids.

superjetale · 2019-02-27T13:35:49+00:00

I think in the opposite way. Every girl at one point did or will be having a ONS. That will be with Chad. If a girl ask me to wait 2 o 3 dates to have sex, that means she is seeing me as a beta not as Chad, hence, i dont want her. All of them are what you call hoes (i believe every person has the right to sleep with as many partners they want and be happy in this life) you just need to make sure she sees you as an alpha.

red_matrix · 2019-02-27T14:38:20+00:00

Hypergamy is part of female biology, there is no escaping it...especially in the west where our society and culture amplify and even encourage hypergamy. The game is the game and it’s stacked against men.

Enjoy the decline.

VigilantSmartbomb · 2019-02-27T14:54:09+00:00

annndddd the OTHER crux of why I hate this thread lol.

you don't attract those end goal type women. There's alphas, Betas, AND OMEGAS. But people forget the third tier who are their own people and don't play into the game but are just as valuable if not more so for their individuality. Idk, at least in my experience. Prolly long term going for Omega, but they're extremely hard to find and tend to stay clear of all gaming individuals because, well, they just have different priorities. I mean we've all at least KNOWN someone that breaks the scale 11/10 but doesn't react like an alpha. She's calculating. & then on the flip side, we all also are probably familiar with some 50+ dude who's still a bachelor that the town talks about behind his back, people he couldn't even know.

Like okay before the downvotes reign in, yeah upping your game is amazing, but that's not the only thing to a relationship lol. You gonna keep frame when your mom dies because of some superficial subreddit in the name of getting pussy? or are you gonna cry like a little bitch and actually let the one you chose to be in your life console you. 8 dicks in her or not dude if 8 chicks threw themselves at you youd prolly bangem too so watch the double standard too.

edit: and no I don't want to have a discussion on some betas theory of why I'm wrong. Just downvote me and move on I'm not replying.

the13thmonk · 2019-02-27T15:26:55+00:00

I also have several buddies living out in Cali. One of them is looking for what you are and is specifically moving back to the Midwest to find a more wholesome girl.

They exist in Cali but are harder to find. Maybe do a stint in the south when you truly feel like that’s why you want

Also 23 is young to do this imo

augustopinochet27 · 2019-02-27T15:29:34+00:00

Find a muslim or mormon girl. Or go to Asia.

rpmc83 · 2019-02-27T16:14:05+00:00

The girl who took my virginity when I was 19 had been with close to 30 guys and she was 21. It fucked with my head a bit at the time, and I was super blue-pilled. I'm now 35, tried lots of women and this high n-count seems really common. I no longer care about it, ask about it or divulge mine. It's a number you will hear from your girl and brand onto your brain forever. Totally unhealthy. You need to stop caring about history and focus on identifying whether or not you and your girl have a healthy dynamic together.

MattyAnon · 2019-02-27T17:05:06+00:00

i don’t think there is a world where i will not want children and a wife

Don't fucking marry - this is just providing her a financial incentive to LEAVE you. She's more likely to stay if she doesn't get a financial reward for leaving. Don't be an idiot...... have children if you like, but marriage is a financial suicide pact with the government. You never win at marriage (as a guy), and most don't even manage a draw. Most lose.

I just met this really cute innocent looking asian girl that’s 18 and things were going good until she told me she fucked 8 guys and it kind of has me mad/sad for my future

She's lying, it's not 8.#

Hate to break it to you but that wholesome virgin of your dreams doesn't exist and never did. You were sold a lie in order to secure your providership.

Live your own life for yourself and stop hoping to find happiness in a woman.

QuasarAfterLife · 2019-02-27T18:12:43+00:00

Eat raw animal fats it's the fastest way, no pasteurized garbage

boom_bostic · 2019-02-27T22:21:29+00:00

You talk about how the old you couldn’t have the caliber of women that you can now attract. What you need to remember is that the old you was a loser. The good thing about life is that you are not the man you used to be. You have matured, increased your personal value as well as your SMP value. Another thing. Worrying about women’s N-count after a certain age is kind of pointless. Would it be nice to find a woman who is a virgin or only been with one guy...sure. But it’s not reality. There’s not many out there..& especially not over 21 yrs old. The older you get, it only gets worse. Instead of worrying about n-count, my advice would be to worry about the moment you’re in. She’s letting you have exclusive access. You must be doing something right. Worrying about her past is worrying about something that you can’t control. Now, if she reveals that she used to love double pen or something crazy...don’t fret or worry about it, just next her in your mind & disconnect all feelings to her.

Bottom line. Worrying about her n-count is not what a confident man does. It’s not the abundant mentality. You can’t control or change her past. Accept it and own the moment. Or wait the rest of your life for that virgin.

ShakaLifted · 2019-02-27T23:23:02+00:00

Go find an 18 year old virgin in a third world country, if youre THAT picky. Personally i dont give a fuck about how many dicks have been through her. Thats just me though

z2a1-9 · 2019-02-28T00:43:42+00:00

Keep slaying until you find a chick you really dig. And just like all your baggage, women have baggage as well. If you can't overlook or accept that then move on. Its pretty simple. Use the tool box as way to achieve what you want, but stop hamstering and improve you!

Chadster113 · 2019-02-28T02:50:11+00:00

Why are you 23 and thinking about making a family?

AstuteBlackMan · 2019-02-27T05:15:11+00:00

18 and 8 girls makes you realize there isnt hope to find a 0 n count chick.

Gonna have to find the best one out of a shitty pool and find the least bad traits. Just remember to keep frame if shes an actually good girl and remember awalt. Read trp sidebar daily to remind yourself she'll always flip on you.

I'm in the same boat. Accepted the red pill. But realize most western women are bad apples.

Stepbacks · 2019-02-27T15:03:04+00:00

Why do you deserve a wholesome girl when you yourself have a high N count?

Title	Is this the anger phase? Is there any way past it?
Author	Stepbacks
Upvotes	87
Comments	158
Date	27 February 2019 03:49 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	askTRP
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/220231
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/av8ruq/is_this_the_anger_phase_is_there_any_way_past_it/