My LTR has a fuckload of beta orbiters.

Auvergnat · 2019-03-05T07:02:30+00:00

You're an idiot if you really believe that she doesn't know what's up.

You have failed to establish a proper frame on the onset of your relationship.

If you have read and remember The Guide, you know you would ideally get into a LTR only after a time spinning plates and only with a girl who has proven her dedication to you consistently to upgrade from plate, to friend with benefit, to significant other. Such dedication for you is an expression of her respect for you, which would includes NOT actively maintaining a bench of beta orbiters ready to go to bat.

In an ideal LTR, she wouldn't be doing that because you would have never upgraded a plate with that behaviour.

You could let it slide as long as you're not too bothered, but don't fool yourself: she's very aware you're letting her disrespect you so she will lose respect for you and be tempted to push the boundaries a little bit more. Will you react to one of her guy-friend taking her out for dinner? No? What about one of her guy-friend offering her a ticket to fly to Paris with him for a week? Still no?

You don't need a justification to drop a girl. You still have the right to decide that this LTR is not healthy enough to lead to settling down and have kids with her, and so you go back to the drawing board. Paradoxically, this nuclear solution could maybe jolt her into the realization that your commitment is not as secure as she had imagined and that she needs to be a bit more respectful if she wants to keep you.

MrAgamemnon · 2019-03-05T05:51:57+00:00

It’s like she really believes the world is happiness and sunshine and that these guys are all good friends and don’t masturbate to her every night.

Horse shit. She knows exactly what she is doing.

An LTR has to have healthy boundaries, these boundaries come from her not from you.

This kind of person will tire you out and burn you out soon enough.

Sero-Flex · 2019-03-05T06:22:48+00:00

Why not cash in yourself on all the free shit she gets from those weirdos? That’s what I’ve done in the past when my LTRs has orbiters (although I wasn’t aware of all the TRP terminology at the time). One time this dude sent my gf at the time and I dinner to my house (on the assumption it was just for her) and when I saw him a few days later I made a point of audaciously thanking him for dinner the other night. The look on his face when he realized I was fucking his dream girl and that he bought me dinner as a result was priceless.

kellykebab · 2019-03-05T05:56:14+00:00

receive gifts mailed to her house and free uber credits

You want to date a spoiled teenager?

I could next her... for being a successful female?

You understand that your dad never dealt with this bullshit, right? The more we enable this incredible entitlement and insanity, the longer it will go on.

Friends are fine. Constant gifts and bugmen slaves are bullshit. Tell her to shitcan the crazies and if she doesn't, hard next.

These spoiled chicks are out of their fucking minds. To say nothing of the dudes.

mrdeeds1972 · 2019-03-05T06:25:41+00:00

If she's your LTR, you obviously didn't vet her properly. There's no way to right this ship. Soft next. Set out expectations and boundaries early next time.

Duke318 · 2019-03-05T06:04:53+00:00

How old are you?

Can you imagine any POTUS, CEO of a major corporation, business owner, elite athlete, sitting there and accepting that their wife is talking to a bunch of beta orbiters? If she's over the age of 25 that's a red flag, she should be setting boundaries and honestly having very little if any unnecessary communication with guys that are trying to get into her pants.

She should be busy bettering herself as a person and giving you attention than wasting more than 5 minutes entertaining some guy that just wants to screw you over and get with her. Also, any man that pursues a taken woman is a beta cuck orbiter. Why would she waste two seconds of her time entertaining a person like that?

Like, how is this supposed to work these days? When you're 35 years old and possibly have a few kids, is she still going to be snapchatting guys she's had sex with before? This culture is seriously a joke.

Call her out on it, but don't be controlling. Tell her that you don't like it and you don't feel respected. If she has any sense or respect for you, she will distance herself from them.

ArthurTheAstronaut · 2019-03-05T06:16:18+00:00

She’s cute both behavior and looks-wise. It’s like she really believes the world is happiness and sunshine and that these guys are all good friends and don’t masturbate to her every night.

I didn't believe people like this existed until I met one last year. There really are women out there that see the world as nothing but rainbows and butterflies and truly don't see the attention they're getting from other men as anything other than the men being as friendly to her as she is to everyone else.

That said, I think the other guys here are onto something; Depending on how old she is, she should be cutting most if not all of that communication out of her life completely without needing to hear about it from you whatsoever.

Regardless though you've just got to call her on it. She appreciates either you or the beta cucks more than the other. I'd say find out sooner rather than later.

positiveredpill · 2019-03-05T06:04:56+00:00

They all have orbiters dude. Stop trying to get rid of hers and start trying to get some of your own.

dalkride · 2019-03-05T06:35:09+00:00

Fuck the comments saying that this is bad behavior. Who the fuck cares? She comes home and fucks you.

You should WANT a bitch that other guys want to fuck. Who wants an ugly bitch that nobody wants to fuck? Nobody.

Keep her in check if she gets a big head around you, but otherwise who the fuck cares? If she ends up fucking one of them, just hard next and move on with your life.

In the wise words of the legendary Patrice O'Neal, you have to be willing to take the L. Your frame in this scenario is "I don't give a fuck about those guys because your pussy is mine" and that's that.

8380atgmaildotcom · 2019-03-05T07:04:55+00:00

You should take those gift cards and uber credits. Not sure how but that's how a pimp functions

juggernaut8 · 2019-03-05T07:52:18+00:00

What's so difficult? Your frame is she fucks you and you (and her) make fun of those pathetic losers. Occasionally call her out when she goes too far. For example: she tells her orbiter to do something like drive 100 miles to get her some flowers (ridiculous example for emphasis), you tell her that decent people don't use other people like that because it's true.

BookyMcBooks · 2019-03-05T11:54:25+00:00

Bro. ANY attractive female is ALWAYS going to have hundreds of dudes trying to fuck her.

If you are an attractive female, you cannot leave your house without being harassed by orbiters.

Really attractive women have like, an orbit radius of 1 mile, you should know this bro.

This is a simple fact of life.

mrpoopistan · 2019-03-05T06:50:23+00:00

Let's remember that the alpha-beta hierarchy is a complete mischaracterization of primates in nature.

An alpha is the top ape.

The betas are the apes who benefit from being near the alpha. Some betas will kill the alphas and take over.

Gammas are the wimps surviving by not picking fights.

Omegas are the apes on the outside looking in. An omega is a dead ape who just doesn't know it yet.

The reason we get the hierarchy wrong is because in nature the omegas exist on a conveyor belt of death. In our world, they just sit around playing video games and fantasizing about mass shootings.

We have a tenancy in modern human hierarchies to lump the alphas and betas together into one cluster of alphas and lesser alphas. This leads to us mislabeling the gammas and the omegas as betas.

My point?

The guys you're worried about would be, in an early human society where death was more common, the wimps hanging on for dear life at the edge of society.

You're worried about something that isn't worth worrying about. In the eyes of the average woman, these dudes don't even count as human. They're basically the birds that pick the alligator's teeth in a symbiotic relationship. They give her attention. She makes them feel barely human.

red_matrix · 2019-03-05T14:42:27+00:00

She knows exactly what she’s doing, and she wants you to be the captain, you’re ability to be stone cold to her cries and tantrums is what turns her on. If she’s rubbing this in your face - you need to have an IDGAF attitude, A&A and treat her like a child.

Always remember: she’s not yours, it’s only your turn. The glass is already broken.

ChesterRickman · 2019-03-05T16:35:41+00:00

Been there. You can try to make it work, but it's an exhausting LTR. The fact she keeps and enables so many beta orbiters means she needs constanst, and I meant fucking CONSTANT ego validation because she has some major self-image issues. She will value you as a guy "that's just different", until you'll get tired of her shit and slip up in your game, then she will most likely devalue you and become resentful as shit towards you. Your choice man, just don't whatever you do don't catch feelings. That's just my experience tho.

DevilMayCry · 2019-03-05T17:28:11+00:00

I have to disagree with most people in this thread. I actively encourage my LTR to have more beta orbiters. For every additional beta orbiter she gets, my life becomes a little easier. I told her to get a car guy, a computer guy, and a handyman. The nature of beta orbiters is that they provide services in the blind hopes that their feelings will be reciprocated one day. However the woman rarely recognizes them as potential mates. They are just”good friends”. Instead of fighting a woman’s hypergamy, take advantage of it. A meal always tastes better when it’s on some other dude’s dime.

zxcvb7809 · 2019-03-05T05:58:52+00:00

My lady friend had like 3 orbiters that I knew about. I was stressed and jealous and angry and like wtf. Then one day I just said fuck it. I actually realized that I don't care if she fucks all of them when I am not around. I could care less.

haxewep24 · 2019-03-05T09:53:43+00:00

Like every girl above 5

VasiliyZaitzev · 2019-03-05T06:21:42+00:00

Have any of you dealt with this kind of situation? I basically just ignore them and her interactions with them...

I have a slave girl who has like 7 or 8 orbiters. They mostly creep her out. They mostly come off as subservient which is the opposite of what she wants. She minimizes her contact with them to the extent that she can, but has to tread carefully with the ones she works with, and there are one or two who she sees in social situations that cannot be avoided. She works out a lot and it shows, and even the soyim like a toned body.

Anyway, I have abundance, so I don't give two shits about the little simp betafags following her around asking if they can drink her bathwater. They're morons. Women want LEADERS not LOSERS. Simples.

vandaalen · 2019-03-05T06:50:28+00:00

how long have you been fucking her?

[deleted] · 2019-03-05T07:50:08+00:00

It sounds 100% identical to my ex wife. I called her out on it, and she definitely tested me on it, but I ultimately put it to her that I’m allowed to maintain friendships with some of the girls I used to fuck off of tinder. “But just as friends!”

I love a good logic checkmate... where you use their own game back on them

Schhwing · 2019-03-05T10:41:31+00:00

Only way you can turn it to your favour is if you involve yourself in it without being possessive or jealous. Like “haha look at these douchebags, get them to send x for me”. Then her abundance becomes a tool for you to use. You have to be unruffled by it or she will be turned off

mrp_awakening · 2019-03-05T10:50:45+00:00

Theres no abundance and shouldn't be dread as these guys are beta orbiters and not alphas. The correct response is to not care, or show any concern.

Jabbermouth · 2019-03-05T13:45:29+00:00

I think if you mention her orbiters at all, you lose. You can’t bring it up because then she’ll call you “controlling” and say “they’re just friends. So that leaves you with 3 options:

Ignore it and get used to her having orbiters

Beta move because this clearly bothers you to some degree and it will burn you out eventually.

Hard next her for having orbiters

Weak move if you ask me, like you said you shouldn’t punish her for being a successful female.

Get some orbiters of your own

This is the way to go if you ask me. If you get some female orbiters of your own, which shouldn’t be hard if you’re attractive and in a relationship, she will eventually realize you have them and get uncomfortable (girls don’t like competition). She’ll bring them up and then you can say “well it’s no different from what you’re doing”. The key here is that SHE brings it up first and that if she wants you to cut off your orbiters then she will have to do the same.

SwoleyMoleyFrijoley · 2019-03-05T14:07:34+00:00

OP abuse these braindead retards into giving her free shit that YOU want. When my LTR has an orbiter pop up on Facebook I usually encourage her to go out with them and see how she reacts. Without fail, "Fuck no I'm blocking him" then she shows me her phone and blocks them and deletes their contact information. That's a well-vetted LTRs proper response. It's on her to show ME that she's worthy of my dick. This girl knows precisely what she's doing and it's time to either take advantage of it or next her. Allowing it to continue in anyway is like tattooing "Doormat" on your forehead.

throwawayycheyeah · 2019-03-05T14:37:51+00:00

You say orbiter, I say plan C. You are probably plan B because A was alpha enough to tell her to get fucked.

[deleted] · 2019-03-05T15:38:59+00:00

What sort of shit do they send her? What's the cost/value? Does she talk to these guys on the phone daily? Does she see them alone? How does she engage with them and how often? Have you met any of them?

In an LTR, you should have already met most of them if they are important to her. If you haven't met them, they are just acquaintances that don't matter.

Dread has more to do with your value and your ability to engage with women wherever you are without fear of retribution.

MattyAnon · 2019-03-05T15:44:04+00:00

Your options are either accept it or walk away.

Be careful though, they're all lined up to fuck her. You know it. SHE KNOWS IT. And you don't have comparable options. This is a power imbalance and you need to fix it in order to maintain attraction.

You can't stop her doing it, it's too innate in her.

So you have to get more options for yourself, somehow some way.

0io- · 2019-03-05T15:52:05+00:00

As long as you're getting what you want from her, I wouldn't worry about the beta chumps showering her with gifts. I had a gf for a couple of years who worked at a bar as a cocktail waitress who literally had thousands and thousands of guys giving her business cards, multiple stacks of cards that could have filled a dozen rolodexes. I'm sure they all wanted to have sex with her, and I doubt any of them ever did. Spending thousands of dollars on bottle service to try to impress.

When you go out with a girl who is good-looking enough, you start getting "celebrity" problems. People will approach you on the street or while you're having lunch to offer her free tanning, gym memberships, ask if she's interested in promoting their new club, is she interested in modelling, etc. I would just sit there with a knowing, smug, very slight smirk. OK, thank you, sure, here's your card, that's nice. OK, good luck. Have to have lunch now, bye.

On the downside had one ONS / occasional lay (cute, but not all that hot) who had a crazy guy give her a new car who ended up stalking me for a decade trying to find out information about his "girlfriend". "I saw you go into the movie theatre, were you there to meet her?" No dude, I haven't seen her for two years. The guy would call me at work every couple of weeks, following me around to see if I would ever lead him to the love of his life... absolutely psycho. I never even saw what the guy looked like. So watch out for obsessive stalkers.

But for the most part, if she's got orbiters they're just there to orbit and provide free stuff. I've never seen them get anything.

Think of a movie star with millions of fans always sending her love-letters. I'm not sure she could get rid of orbiters if she tried. You're fucking her because you're not like them. They're no threat to you, they might as well be a different species. The more famous and glamorous and good-looking your girl is, the more it is like dating a celebrity. She's got millions of fans, and that's not your problem.

2comment · 2019-03-05T06:09:13+00:00

It’s like she really believes the world is happiness and sunshine

You're assuming innocence where none exists. She knows what she's doing.

Cultivate abundance by having abundant options. She's not yours, it's just your turn.

Nergaal · 2019-03-05T07:16:04+00:00

one of them talked with her the whole way on a long car trip on the phone

Weird. Trip with you and she kinda ignored you to talk to a beta orbiter? Seems disrespectful

ChemicalGiraffe · 2019-03-05T10:39:10+00:00

Next time you post this, change the LTR to plate. Problem solved.

Phoenix_2015 · 2019-03-05T11:21:05+00:00

Plate. See if you can get free shit from the orbiters though. Give her a list of shit you want.

htowntrav · 2019-03-05T11:51:05+00:00

Sounds like you’re dating a girl one step away from being a sugar baby (escort).

BookyMcBooks · 2019-03-05T12:01:17+00:00

Who the fuck cares? A truly red pilled man does not give a fuck what any one woman does. A truly red pilled man simply fucks women and lives his life. TRP is not complicated.

mushroom_overlord · 2019-03-05T12:07:55+00:00

You already have the right mindset. Never mate guard by keeping a girl away from orbiters, simply be better than them and establish a strong pair bond. Having to ensure men are blocked out of her life signals weakness within yourself.

Of course, she has to know that if she does anything with them, you leave, as the only thing you can trust about them is that they want her. To that end, you need comfort game as well as giving her the alpha dick; her world gets turned upside-down in a bad way if she makes the wrong move.

She’s cute both behavior and looks-wise. It’s like she really believes the world is happiness and sunshine and that these guys are all good friends and don’t masturbate to her every night.

She knows. All the hottest ones have these guys and its way easier to string them along than to deal with fallout cutting them off; plus they get shit.

djc_tech · 2019-03-05T13:24:47+00:00

I dated a girl with a large social media following and guys paying for her trips to competitions she did and stuff. I was the one fucking her so I didn’t care. She was nexted for a couple of reasons and glad I did. She ended up being s dumpster fire and I can say with all honesty no matter how hot she is someone is tired of her shit.

In my case some of the ex-bfs were orbiters and she complained they didn’t have a sex drive. I do so I did what she wanted. She likes it aggressive and likes to be lightly strangled, hair pulling and dominated. In all honesty it got tiring. And because the fact she took advantage of these other guys I never trusted her. In this case you shouldn’t either. Don’t trust her one bit and treat her like it. She’ll branch swing in a second and remember that every time you are with her. That’s what I did and when I was done I was literally balls deep in another women two days later....went back and fucked her and then called it quits for good.

beginner_ · 2019-03-05T14:39:56+00:00

The fact you came here and asked the question means it bothers you. Therefore sooner or later this relationship will fail due to this. But that can be said about any relationship. It's just your turn. So standard advice is keep your skills/game sharp and enjoy as long as it last and once it bothers you too much, next. This could be now, in 2 month or 2 years. Important part is not to get complacent.

Besides that you could also use those orbiters for your own gain for tasks you don't want to do. Not my GF but once had a female roommate with especially one extreme orbiter (her ex). Let's just say his orbiting and doing favors for her like getting furniture (couch, table,...) using his truck and caring into the apartment saved me a ton of work too.

I mean be lucky she didn't want you calling her for hours...

HurricaneHugues · 2019-03-05T14:50:29+00:00

You're taking this girl far more seriously than you should. Too many orbiters is a problem because it shows a constant need for male attention in abundance. You'll never be her only man. Each of those orbiters and you get a part of her.

Your best bet is to mentally check out of this relationship, and start using those orbiters to your favor. Want a Starbucks gift card? Tell your girl to ask an orbited for one. Got a new book u want to read? Get an orbiter to buy it. Want new shoes? Get a giftcard from an orbiter. Use her and her legion of followers to your advantage.

RedSkeller · 2019-03-05T15:26:40+00:00

Came here to confirm the notion that your GF knows better and is playing the game. You're only move is to hold frame or break up with her. These women are the worst though, you'll see her true colors in a matter of time.

CahiersDuVidya · 2019-03-05T15:51:31+00:00

What should my frame be?

Mockery. And try to get her to get them to buy things she'll give to you. Get her thinking of them as worms who are there to provide and receive, not potential suitors.

Was banging a girl in college who had some orbiters. We met at a bar unplanned one night and one of her orbiters bought her an expensive bouquet of flowers. I mocked it and said 'looks like you're getting lucky tonight.' She groaned and rolled her eyes. When leaving in my car I told her to throw them out the window in front of the bar, which she did. She had such a huge, devious smile on her face knowing she was hurting a weak man. She started blowing me at the second redlight we stopped at.

Had an orbiter constantly calling another girl I was with. We were hooking up and he called, I told her to give me the phone and said 'she's busy' and hung out. She laughed and then went back to moaning.

Girls innately hate weak orbiters, you really don't have to worry about this as much as you can, betas are never a threat.

The amount of dread I’d have to do to match her level of abundance is absurd and I have no time for it.

If she's really cute and naive, dread might not be necessary. But I will say that dread game isn't a numbers game. Her seeing you being dangerous with two or three other girls is enough to offset a legion of harmless betas.

iceporter · 2019-03-05T16:17:10+00:00

where can I learn about these beta orbiter things? I want to avoid to be one of it

Mangasbzo7 · 2019-03-05T17:16:01+00:00

Lol OP, how you gonna be driving with her and she gonna be on the phone the whole trip there to some other dude that wants to fuck her

Lol open your eyes and think, my guy

BurningOrangeHeaven · 2019-03-05T17:59:55+00:00

She a down low hoe. She isnt getting free stuff for nothing. She knows, they know, and you know.

[deleted] · 2019-03-05T18:41:41+00:00

You’re her plate. A beta buck provider.

I don’t think a conversation is necessary to apprise her of what is going on. She knows. And she doesn’t respect you enough to be loyal. Normally you can demote a girl or play dread game to train her, but you’ve put up with so much already that I don’t know if that’s gonna work now. The only thing I think you can do is to try to play some drag game The only thing I think you can do is to try to play dread game. And read the guide.

hrm0894 · 2019-03-05T06:14:58+00:00

I think you mean your ex-LTR.

civilizedfrog · 2019-03-05T07:34:34+00:00

She knows what she is doing. Telling to stop contact with her orbiters is mate guarding. It would be better for you find someone else.

For now you can ask her to add stuff that you want on her Amazon wishlist and then ask her orbiters to buy it.

[deleted] · 2019-03-05T06:20:17+00:00

This made me really laugh lol thanks 🙏

sealdream · 2019-03-05T07:42:39+00:00

Why would you even LTR a person like that. Shows just as much about your character as it does hers. Like attracts like

chumjetze · 2019-03-05T15:06:00+00:00

Why do you have a LTR with male friends, let alone many many beta orbiters? A girl wuo can't set boundaries (read: who needs/likes the validation) is not LTR Material.

She knows exactly what she is doing.

Buchloe · 2019-03-05T15:21:25+00:00

I got my gf something for her birthday one time. But some random online she didn't know bought her the same thing before I did, because she showed a picture of it on fb. That relationship was done.

[deleted] · 2019-03-05T06:25:02+00:00

Unlike people here telling you to dump her I will offer you a different perspective

THEY ARE ORBITERS

Chances or her promoting them? Damn near 0.0%

She’s just using and manipulating them to get what she wants why do you care ? Don’t fix what’s not broken , if she cheats then yeah it’s done but no just leave her.

AstuteBlackMan · 2019-03-05T06:58:11+00:00

Good. they're not gonna pass her shit tests, value tests and they're gonna orbit her and lower their own value and shes gonna play them on and always come back to you.

She just wants the attention. Dont stress it

Totsean · 2019-03-05T07:51:40+00:00

She is ur LTR and goes on chatting with orbiters? That's not how it should go, put your foot down or find someone else. She ain't yours anyway and not worth the LTR status. Make her a plate and go back to spinning.

Jsieijejeieokkd · 2019-03-05T10:29:48+00:00

Go back and watch the movie something about Mary. She has high value for sure, but she is no unicorn my friend. Knock her off her pedestal and keep her there. Dominate her in the bedroom. Own that shit. Then Tell her to drop the shit heads. Tell her what they want and that that is not acceptable to you.

rmcassio · 2019-03-05T10:50:52+00:00

Same happened to me. Got tired. Nexted her.

DarkOneoftheOutside · 2019-03-05T11:02:41+00:00

I think you're the only one in the LTR bud. She's not. If she was she'd shut these dudes down. There is this married chick who messages me ever so often with some random BS. To me she's reaching for something because we have never been friends. She's creating an opening for me, an invitation to step in. Perhaps she is trying to use me to run dread on her husband...

If she's interacting with dudes and letting them do things for her it's because she's giving them an opening to do so. They aren't sending her shit for nothing. Even if it's just minimal attention and the illusion that they might get some pussy from her, she's definitely giving them fuel to do the things they're doing.

Bedtimeshine · 2019-03-05T11:13:21+00:00

You need to put a cap on the level of commitment you give her. I would worry about frame or shit tests or none of that shit. I would let her do as pleases with out care, and I would keep this casual. She’s plate material, don’t bother trying to fight it.

magx01 · 2019-03-05T14:31:08+00:00

It’s like she really believes the world is happiness and sunshine and that these guys are all good friends and don’t masturbate to her every night.

Don't be silly.

StopGaming1234 · 2019-03-05T14:43:35+00:00

You literally just described an ex girlfriend of mine. So many red flags that I ignored because I thought I was some kind of exception. She had 10+ males texting her and validating her every single day.

One of them was an extreme beta cuck, telling her all the time to leave me etc.

In hindsight they were all cucks, validating her while she tells them how I fucked her again.

I am not sure how she gets through with her manipulative behaviour but it seems to hypnotize every male she encounters.

Eventually I found out she cheated on me with a skinny small wannabe "fuckboy" (one of her validaters) and later got together with him, just to cheat on him too.

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Your LTR knows exactly what she is doing. She loves her power. She is probably already testing your boundaries by passively mentioning her beta orbiters all the time as my narcissistic gf did with me.

I don't want to destroy your happieness, but it is just a matter of time til she is gone. These girls are impossible to satisfy. They need insane amount of attention which you can not deliver no matter how much you earn, lift, etc.

Moldy_Gecko · 2019-03-05T17:33:06+00:00

Honestly, if you're a guy with high value, why give a fuck about the orbiters? I'm with /u/zxcvb7809 when it comes to this. You care too much. Every chick has orbiters. Shit, if the first lady got out of the house, she'd have them too. They are basically filling in for some of the "boring shit" that you don't want to do. But you have to keep it in line. Keep dread and comfort at good levels. There are lots of girls out there with natural Alpha men that could give 2 shits about the shitstains attempting to talk to their girl. I'm friends with some Green Berets out here and we go out quite often... THEY have orbiters, and aren't concerned with their girl's orbiters because their women are of high enough value that the little orbiters can't compare to their man.

FieldLine · 2019-03-05T20:45:01+00:00

LTR-worthy girls don't have male friends.

You mean that you think telling her that keeping in contact with these guys is not acceptable behavior is a good idea?

No, telling her that will just cause an argument ending with her calling you an abusive, controlling asshole. And then she'll probably continue to do it anyway.

The answer is to not LTR up a girl who doesn't intuitively understand the problem with this behavior. It happens to be that such a standard excludes most women, which is why we tell you to generally avoid getting into an LTR as a rule.

Suchnamebro · 2019-03-05T21:08:56+00:00

How would she feel if you had chics sending you gifts and constantly texting you?!

Whitefarmer · 2019-03-05T21:49:28+00:00

Make fun of these loosers at every chance worked for me. It’s fun to!! When she’s mad at you and threats to talk to them tell her “go for it make my day”

slamdunktiger86 · 2019-03-05T23:57:22+00:00

WOW. I just went through this a bit ago. Dated this girl for a few months and she had tons of betas on deck. They were dropping off potted plants and even food. Giving lavish gifts for her birthdays and xmas.. I was like uh... Thanks ya'll, I'm fucking her tonight. So I didn't worry.

She played dumb and it even convinced me. We went exclusive after 2 months. It was wonderful.

However, the breakdown started. She'd always had a near panic attack when I went into her texts or messaging apps. Rather than just a red flag, that should've been a freaking commie flag parade for me. I didn't think much of it.

I was looking for a picture of ours in her photo gallery one day and out of curiosity, went into the "deleted" folder of photos and saw a screenshot of a chad from Coffee Meets Bagel.

This was red alert. Later when I confronted her about it, she lied and said a friend sent it to her.

I then went into the app store and then installed all the dating apps she ever used. Used the existing FB OAuth and HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Bitch had been installing and reinstalling MULTIPLE dating apps for several weeks. When she's with me, she deleted everything since I had her passcode. When I'm away... she's messaging with them, updating her profile pictures.. holy fucking shit. One of them was a PAID account. Bitch said she didn't know, "I'm not that detail oriented." What the fuck? You don't see your chase bank account alerts? Fuck, I would see those notifications

I couldn't believe it. I sat on this for half a week.

She said later her chief beta orbiter had told her to use dating apps "just for networking." I was like wtf. You took life advice from a soy boy you've had on deck since middle school? I had warned her before about him too. We had a birthday dinner and he was just a blackhole of beta dread with me next to her.

The thing about betas is that they don't engage you on the field of battle. Why would they? They'll lose. They have no pull, no attraction. They fight in the shadows. They'll poison you the way they did my girl. "Ya.. just use dating apps.. just make some friends. No big deal."

So ya, this girl blamed the guy, I told her, fuck you and GTFO. Ya'll can have a nice life together.

After I saw the dating apps and figured out what was happening. Oh ya, holy shit. It is UNBELIEVABLE to see what it's like to be a girl on a dating app. Holy fucking shit. The sheer volume of men. Chads to betas, Jesus fucking christ. If you haven't seen this before, really, ask a friend or just make a fake account. Sweet baby Jesus... I was looking at the message log to figure out how far back this went and it just stopped loading at 50 convo's or something. And that was only 4 weeks worth. Either she was deleting the rest or there is an actual limit. Idk, don't care.

So ya, betas fight in the dark and use manipulation. Alphas just take down the score.

Man, if I learned anything, you gotta fucking get rid of the betas or else. They're just waiting. If it was just one beta, no big deal, but if there's a whole zoo of them, man, they're just throwing wrenches into your LTR all fucking day.

And these broads, they fucking know how hot they are, what betas are and exactly what they're doing. They may play dumb and rationalize. When caught, they'll blame, rationalize and say anything. You just can't trust someone if they are a serial liar at that point. If they're willing to warp reality itself, you're gonna second guess them forever and that ruins the past/present/future.

Ya, as a plate, whatever, just put out. But if it's your LTR, fuck no. Standards. The mother of my children cannot lie or betray me. Period.

In general, I wasn't really worried about the betas, I was worried about her. I had turned on her GPS tracking with the iOS Find Friends function and shit just didn't match her stories because she started having beta play dates with other single girls, I was like wtf? Friends would post group outings on social media and then she'd quickly get them taken down. I realized after a few days, if I was willing to breach her privacy and all, then shit was already bad I should prep to bail. That intuition was thusly proven correct with the dating app reveal.

I also went through her recent messages and recent emails. Found out she was seeing a whole coven of mental health th0ts and she was on at least 7 SSRI's/anti-depressants (that was all mentioned only via TEXTS... god knows how polluted her brain chemistry was on such a heavy rotation... over only half a year. Fuck.) Hey, I fully respect mental health efforts, but not fucking 10 day cycles of Prozac and then on to the next. What the fuck is that?

So yea, between that and the lies, GPS shit, game over. There were other major issues, but outside the scope of this convo.

Shit man, the old adage is correct. "If you have any doubt, then there's no doubt."

Don't let bitches slide. It's a soft serial shit test and you gotta lay down the law. Here's the fucking boundary. Period.

stare_at_the_sun · 2019-03-06T00:10:30+00:00

Picked up a new term today.

Going to be using it to bring awareness to the beta orbiters in my life.

thesnowman17 · 2019-03-06T05:01:27+00:00

Get them to unknowingly buy you shit. Straight pimping baby.

NextForever · 2019-03-06T05:47:54+00:00

Your ego is dangerous mate. Real men don't harbor this sentiment in any relationship; they address what they control and then move on. Doesn't even sound like you've said anything to her. Grow a pair and establish your boundaries instead of searching for validation on here.

redpill6991 · 2019-03-06T11:19:39+00:00

Bro - are you me? I'm in the same position as you and have no idea what the fuck to do. Free shit all the time: food, travel etc. What are the options? Call her out? Look insecure. Do nothing? Look like a bitch. Glad you posted this. Imma read up these other responses.

Retuov · 2019-07-11T10:53:11+00:00

Beta orbiters doing a pretty good job if they fucking ur girl dude.

syf3r · 2019-03-05T06:09:46+00:00

it seems to be part of the territory. if your girl has orbiters she must be attractive. its the fugly ones with no options thats are truly orbiters-less.

FZ_BA · 2019-03-05T07:16:51+00:00

If she has a fuckload of beta orbiter, you are the real beta

aDrunkenWhaler · 2019-03-05T13:06:08+00:00

Have frame. Laugh at her for her behaviour. Fuck her brains out, however you want. Demote to plate.

Nexting her is stupid, just as having an exclusive LTR with her is stupid. Enjoy her while it lasts.

htowntrav · 2019-03-05T11:51:23+00:00

Sounds like you’re dating a girl one step away from being a sugar baby (escort).

Title	My LTR has a fuckload of beta orbiters.
Author	sealdream
Upvotes	199
Comments	172
Date	05 March 2019 05:44 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	askTRP
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/220856
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/axhkxm/my_ltr_has_a_fuckload_of_beta_orbiters/

My LTR has a fuckload of beta orbiters.

My orbiters

MGTOW Story Time: The Wal-Mart Princess.

How to deal with orbiters & groups with plenty of guys & 1 decent-looking girl in university?

How To AMOG Beta Males

So... I wanted to find out what "Dual mating strategy" was, so I looked it up and well... Is she right??? Or is this bullshit? Thoughts.