Why do people deny the red pill so much?

Store_Front_Door · 2019-03-16T09:52:18+00:00

TRP is uncomfortable because it puts all the burden of life on your shoulders and to accept it means to accept that you're a fucking failure that needs to improve. Not everyone wants to do that

trp28287 · 2019-03-16T10:25:48+00:00

Because people who talk about TRP outside of TRP are usually idiots, and they tend to spew bullshit which makes TRP look bad to outsiders. This causes people to think trp as a whole is dumb

spartan_samurai · 2019-03-16T11:20:20+00:00

People don't like the truth, they wanna live in dream land. As an example Disney and superhero movies earn more money than the movie based on real story.

Once you unplugged then you realise that it's lonely in redpill world.

patacsiipse · 2019-03-16T14:14:50+00:00

To put it short: swallowing the redpill kills your ego. You suddenly realise you aren’t worth shit and must improve yourself, because ain’t nobody gonna do it for you

Terminal-Psychosis · 2019-03-16T10:37:57+00:00

Humans always try to become the victim, try and take everything that happens in your life and blame yourself for it and not some outside force or someone else, yeah it's harder than you think.

EdvardMunch · 2019-03-16T13:25:52+00:00

Consider how we create and value shows that check off the boxes, art that appears to function for what we consider good promotion for pc culture or plainly skill over truth and nuance, music mostly for catchiness and appearances.

If you've been on Instagram you see day after day vain narcissistic posts under some false guise that get support for mental illness or because they're attractive, at some point its hard to tell the difference.

The point is this world was never meant to make much sense or ever really has. And in part why I regret trying to live life as a painter searching for real authentic substance. At the end of the day you have to do your best to store away defenses, money, and above all don't talk about things that may be true but may get you in trouble.

The Italian guy that discovered the stars was burned to death for blasphemy, imaging being that dude. Be happy your alive and remember most everyone loves Don Draper.

addwater · 2019-03-16T11:48:51+00:00

Cognitive dissonance.

For them to actually and wholefully accept The Red Pill they would have to literally destroy their ego & understanding of their life / mission / purpose as they know it.

I remember it derailed me entirely for several months after discovering TRP philosophies.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2019-03-16T15:32:07+00:00

Society needs betas who are just smart enough to run the machines and not ask too many questions.

Do anything more than that and you can expect push back.

empatheticapathetic · 2019-03-16T11:18:07+00:00

Women spend their entire existence purifying their image to balance out the fact they need to exercise concepts such as hypergamy and be able to get away with it in order to fulfil their biological imperative. Or something.

Blue pill men just can’t handle the truth or have some sort of agenda.

DadOnDabs · 2019-03-16T17:42:39+00:00

I'll give my opinion as someone who, at one point, almost looked to red pill as a guiding force in my life. I now have stepped away quite a bit due to not being happy with the content if the main sub and the lack of new useful information. But that's besides the point. Here's my take.

The biggest issue most regular (blue pill as you would call them) people take with red pill is the degradation of women. You can say red pill doesn't degrade women all day long but it does. Literally one of the top posts on her says women should be the turd at the bottom of your toilet. Like wtf.

The second issue they take with red pill is the type of person they think is in here (which they are correct in a lot of cases). The guy who got his heart broke, is angry at the woman, and wants to take it out on all women as a whole by fucking them and never committing (using them). Call it what you will but this is how every day people view it.

The third and most important issue is the context of the word. Just like the word "femenism" puts a sour taste in your mouth, "Red pill" does the same thing to normal people. It has been demonized so much in the media that people have an incorrect view of what it's all about.

A side issue that is just one of the many smaller ideas that is hated is "AWALT". When this term was first used here it wasn't to say that all women are cheating lying whores that want to steal your money and make you into a little bitch. It was more of a safety net used to say that all women follow the basic rules of hypergamy. Even at that, people here still accepted that some women could fall outside AWALT but we should act as though none do just to protect ourselves. It didn't mean to treat them like shit but just to accept the possibility that it could all fall apart.

The main reason I distanced myself was due to the growing "hate" for women. Constant threads popping up that just demonized women for being what they are. One of the core tennants when I first joined was that while you will go through anger phase you shouldn't hate women for what they are. They can't help it and honestly they don't think about these things (hypergamy) because they are just biological to them. You should love women and love spending your time with them (the ones that are worth your time of course).

That's just my take. There are many more reasons that people hate the red pill but these are the main issues I could see.

leftajar · 2019-03-16T20:07:27+00:00

Here's the meta-level answer:

Since the 1960's, the elites have been using their monopoly on media to subvert Western culture. This takes the form of undermining marriage, promoting Feminism, stoking racial hatred, promoting degenerate sexual behavior, and all that shit.

At the same time, that whole shit-pill is contained within a sugary capsule of social justice, which gives people very high doses of self-righteousness, wrathful anger, and a feeling of group acceptance.

Basically, your average SJW is addicted to those emotions, and have become unwitting footsoldiers for a hostile force -- kind of like when those ants get infected by the fungus that causes them to climb up a flower and get eaten by a bird, to continue the fungus' life-cycle.

Like, I have to hand it to the elites -- they executed this brilliantly. They created a mind-virus that infects nice people and causes them to participate in subversion of the West, all the while feeling like they're on a righteous moral crusade.

gregoire_ · 2019-03-16T12:12:10+00:00

First problem was going to YouTube comments for reasonable conversation. You’re looking in the wrong place. Crazies deny it so that they can create their own reality to live in. Normal people will agree it as long as you’re tactful and don’t use robot terms like sexual marketplace value.

justfortingles · 2019-03-16T15:09:09+00:00

I think it is also worth considering that many of the red pillers who are most vocal online are the newly red pilled who haven't completely shed their "betaness" and are still in the rage phase or haven't been able to fully embody the theory.

Inauthenticity is off putting. Even blue pillers can sniff out a fake.

The most authentically alpha men I know wouldn't be caught dead on a subreddit or in the comments section of youtube. They are just naturally confident, charismatic, successful, powerful, and out living their awesome lives. The newly redpilled just aren't there yet.

NB. This is not meant to discredit trp and the necessary transitional phases one must go through. Fake it until you make it is real and I cheer on all men on here who are working to improve themselves. Society needs more men like you.

El_Serpiente_Roja · 2019-03-16T22:49:04+00:00

It litterally hurts to face hard facts that dont validate deeply held beliefs...its much easier to deny and shame than actually consider, question and reflect.

Protocol_Apollo · 2019-03-17T05:06:16+00:00

front door and trp28287 (notice how this username is probably a second account since Reddit have been tracking users here and TRP via a blacklist and have reportedly, from many trp users, restricted access to the sub on an account level) are right.

But another thing that so many people forget is: Neo CHOSE to take the red pill, he was never forced to, he searched for enlightenment and not vice versa. So when random people stumble upon this (especially women) what are the chances they would accept this knowledge which challenges everything they know about relationships and female nature (most women aren’t even aware of their own nature so you have to empathise a bit that for them it will be incredibly shocking... even more so than when every single male trp user first found out about this). I’ll tell you -same chances as Morpheus going up to random people and offering each of them the red pill.

“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it” . This is why so many men would refuse this ideology even though it would serve them otherwise (there’s another subreddit literally called the blue pill that mocks this subreddit, albeit they are very small). The ethics of this subreddit can sometimes be questioned, but the results can not.

[deleted] · 2019-03-16T11:15:33+00:00

Bp sub only proves trp being right just by mere existence.

looneyniggabunny · 2019-03-16T12:45:33+00:00

Watch the matrix again. After learning about the red pill , you gain whole another level of understand of the damn movie lmao

TheTrenTrannyTrain · 2019-03-16T11:12:55+00:00

If you can't argue against it, better to label it "red pill" and ignore it completely.

matejix · 2019-03-16T11:19:16+00:00

Because that's a pill that's so hard to swallow.

red_matrix · 2019-03-16T15:57:06+00:00

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. ~ Morpheus

aziflaj · 2019-03-16T12:03:10+00:00

Denial is the first of the stages of grief. RP comes as a big shock for most people and not all of them internalize it at the same rate

Terminal-Psychosis · 2019-03-16T16:34:21+00:00

When you grow up with believe-based, cult-like thinking, it's very hard to change that deep brainwashing.

It is a part of growing up, maturing. Not all are on that journey.

Count yourself lucky for even questioning.

n0nkay · 2019-03-16T19:28:31+00:00

They have an ego investment towards feminist narrative that was shoved down their asses since childhood

TheBadGoy · 2019-03-16T20:02:04+00:00

For the same reason Kanye denied his own advice later on in his life. Oneitis

Vialix · 2019-03-17T01:42:03+00:00

because it is a belief that requires you to abandon the concept of love as you know it. full implications of TRP is actually something that could cause physical pain in the body. It is depressing

ShotgunTRP · 2019-03-17T01:53:11+00:00

ITs because it’s a model and models are never perfect

Like the bohrs atom or evolution, there’s subtle nuances and you can nitpick at the unperfect details to make the claim “hurr durr it’s not perfect so it’s wronggg nirrr nirr”

But at the end of the day the model is accurate enough for its purposes

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2019-03-16T12:02:10+00:00

Who knows why specific people have their specific rejections.

A lot of it, is just automated response. Been conditioned for so long to approach life in a certain way, that the thought of just turning everything on it's head is not even worth considering.

It's just so utterly naive and ignorant to think Red Pill is 'not real'. Sure, there may be some ideas or extreme examples that one may question, but the majority of it is just so clearly fucking obvious.

inkoDe · 2019-03-16T12:22:05+00:00

I know a lot of women. When you get right down to it very few would deny that they want a tall good looking guy with money. Who are you running into that denies that? It isnt like we as men are happy with short fat uneducated women unless we have no other options.

[deleted] · 2019-03-16T13:26:02+00:00

Women like to pass this image of purity and Blue Pill cucks go along with it because they want to get in their pants and because they hate masculine men. They want to be women's little sidekicks, that's why they are usually feminists. They are the male equivalent of a tradtoth.

I've met my fair share of nice guys and I can say that they understand women fairly well. Actually, they are quite similar to them mentally.

classylassy28 · 2019-03-16T15:36:47+00:00

Because a lot of what trp practices is bullshit, borderlines emotional abuse/ manipulation and is like a cult. Yes lots of truths but it goes both ways on bluepill and redpill side.

It's like redpill strips the humanity from men and makes them cold and calculated. Selfish.

The good it does is helps men find more purpose and meaning.

OracleofFl · 2019-03-16T12:44:26+00:00

Why do some people deny the earth is round?

TheRealBrotherLouie · 2019-03-16T13:39:27+00:00

We have people claiming that boys should be able to do surgery to turn into girls. It's the 21st century, society is crazy

Infla-mood · 2019-03-16T14:40:48+00:00

Because everyone is sucking the mainstream media sack. I tried to get my best friend to check it out and surprise! He called me a Nazi. That word has lost all it's meaning.

Everyone on TRP said not to do it, but I thought NAFALT. Jokes on me.

NASCARnormie · 2019-03-16T11:01:10+00:00

in psychoanalysis(which is the study of the brain) people's psych will reject what is too uncomfortable/traumatic. Its called psychological projection.

Circ-Le-Jerk · 2019-03-16T17:40:03+00:00

Ego and self defense. People don’t want to admit these realties to themselves. So they have to deny it. You’ll notice the bulk of the people who are actively against red pill concepts are also those who would be considered social failures. They are usually ugly, weird, and going nowhere in life. I’m sure there are exceptions but by and large most people agree with red pill, it’s just the losers who hate it because it exposes their flaws.

Desadarius · 2019-03-16T19:00:10+00:00

Cuz they’re living a lie

its_meKnightSwolaire · 2019-03-16T20:27:37+00:00

Lol dude funny timing go and browse my recent comment history. I’m getting tons of flak on T_D where you would expect a few more red pillers to dwell

Lambdal7 · 2019-03-16T20:42:53+00:00

Because comments here are very often not the truth, but a very hyperbole and radicalized version of the truth, “swallow the pill completely”, AWALT etc

That’s why you see so many comments here how to take the teachings here with a grain of salt.

Why is that? Because most readers here are still in the anger phase and only very few have made it out of it.

emein · 2019-03-16T23:25:08+00:00

It's not what you say but how you say it. The red pill is respected about as much as a social justice warrior. Sounds like a collection of young people doing something moderately risque and doing it loudly. Take out the womanizing and the red pill leaves you with instructions on how to be man. Otherwise it just sounds like hook up advice from teenagers and 20 somethings.

LordMarkStark · 2019-03-17T03:17:59+00:00

Well marrying up, trading up, and branch swinging have always been a thing, maybe more prevalent in these times. But to some the degree or intensity of it isnt a big thing on their radar.

They probably agree with those things but not the depth of the concept. Not everyone wants to cheat or trade up, etc. It is human nature. But obviously that person either doesn't give it much credence, thought, or think it's an over blown concept.

Sometimes when you read things someone may seem to apply too much onus or too little depending on your view. But to dismiss it out of hand is simply wrong as well.

The red pill some people use as a crutch and become very cynical. He's probably not fond of that anger element. But aside the cynicism, why should someone simply stay with another.

Rather than a concept it's more accepted to say it coloquially, because it can be weird from the outside looking in. And others again don't need fundamental concept analysis to get by in their life. Personally I believe the concepts yes but they are clung to by newbies because they have no other reference.

It's not a big deal. Like gravity you appreciate it and move on. At the end of the day women in general want different types of men. Going full bore into the red pill could end up limiting you in a sense or narrow your appreciation of life.

Classy_Amir · 2019-03-17T07:09:58+00:00

"because it's society's fault". They're not in shape? IT'S THE SOCIETY! Girls don't even notice them? It's society's fault. They dress poorly? Same story. People live in a fantasy they cling to. When the red pill eliminates all emotions and states cold hearted facts, people go into denial. This is very beautifully explained in The Rational Male. In my opinion, the truth isn't "out there". The truth is here. Right within us. The truth is we were/are failures. Not many people like that. People like to think they matter, that they can change the world. But the red pill destroys this fantasy and they take it as a personal attack, hence they go into denial. So there you have it. They're easily offended.

AndyZ88 · 2019-08-11T11:16:25+00:00

Because the red pill is just another illusory belief system.

The nature of mind is such that whatever your narrative is, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

See through all of this and there won't be any need for pills, rules, guidelines...

AMHash77 · 2019-03-16T12:11:36+00:00

This article explains it well:

https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/13/average-frustrated-chump/amp/

[deleted] · 2019-03-16T12:57:55+00:00

It makes them uncomfortable when they know the struggle. Basically they're in denial

DallasKing3141 · 2019-03-16T13:44:47+00:00

Shocking, denial, and fear. They can see it how the world unfold little by little over one true red pill statement.

SeasonedRP · 2019-03-16T14:29:34+00:00

Half or more of the commenters on this sub argue with red pill principles, so it shouldn't be surprising that society at large does.

bigkyrososa · 2019-03-16T14:37:49+00:00

Harsh reality

huey764 · 2019-03-16T15:15:43+00:00

The biggest problem here is you read YT comments

SoyTanto · 2019-03-16T09:58:40+00:00

Alot of dudes who read and follow this sub deny it. Me included, it's hard to fully unplug.

[deleted] · 2019-03-16T15:04:28+00:00

TRP disrupts the status quo, and the angry phase is genuinely scary. All people see of TRP is people in the angry stage.

Title	Why do people deny the red pill so much?
Author	roidragecage
Upvotes	143
Comments	99
Date	16 March 2019 09:36 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/222187
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Why do people deny the red pill so much?

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