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If you haven't been laid in 7 years, should you lie to women when you start dating again?

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March 27, 2019
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I went MGTOW, bought property, bought toys, focused on my hobbies, got jacked, read philosophy, etc. Gave up on women completely though. Now after 7 years I realize complete isolation from women isn't healthy. I may be far too socially gone to get a real girlfriend, but I believe I can get laid. If the topic does come up, is it better to lie and say I've had some type of intimate relationship/s within the past few years?


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Title If you haven't been laid in 7 years, should you lie to women when you start dating again?
Author E46M54
Upvotes 109
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Date 27 March 2019 12:53 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]boy_named_su258 points259 points  (22 children) | Copy

Her: "When did you last have sex?"

You: "You mean today?"

or "With a human?"

or "Tonight is my first time"

finally "A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell"

Stop answering bitches questions directly

[–]CalmPassenger 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy

For me when I try to answer like this they'll always laugh and then say "but seriously" and no matter what I say they won't stop asking until I give them a literal answer. What can you do when that happens?

[–]boy_named_su93 points94 points  (5 children) | Copy

it's called holding frame, bro

say "seriously, i don't discuss that"

and if they persist, open the door, and say "nice to meet you"

be like the white house press guy on tv...never answer questions you don't want to answer

[–]resnine43 points44 points  (0 children) | Copy

White house press guy indeed. They answer a question with another question or just completely skirt over the question like some sort of verbal acrobatics. Listen to congressional hearings... those dudes play every card in the book to not answer a question.

[–]jackandjill225 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's a great analogy.

[–]250kcal2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

say "seriously, i don't discuss that"

and if they persist, open the door, and say "nice to meet you"

??? why do this?

When you can just pressure flip in a joking tone and still get laid: "You are kind of a creep huh?" and pull her in for a kiss. ez pz question avoided mood is still light.

[–]boy_named_su2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I mean, only if they are being an absolute cunt about it, and not letting it drop, after many deflections

[–]250kcal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah, I've never had that get so far. If they start showing their bitchy side or I get tired of the shit-tests I just escalate physically that slows their mood down, this can go bad rarely but it's easier then trying to navigate the shit-test maze and sometimes I just cba you know lol.

[–]SauliusTRP19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can flip script and say „I‘m. pretty sure my coint is lower than yours“ and watch how hard she works to tell you that she isn’t a sloot. If that doesn’t work, hit her up with „i don’t discuss that“ like the guy above already said

[–]ZeroDeltaZero4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Key is that you play them, deliver your answers on a flirtatious way, with a slight smile. Even if you tell them the truth, they will not believe you.

But make sure, you never go serious, never leave this frame. Thus make sure that you are not insecure about this, it does not matter, it's not important. She will react on your emotional state, so fix this.

You can also go for the exaggeration, this way it matches your inner state more. But again, never be serious, always flirtatious. Then, you say, I am a vergin, are you that special person? And then ask a question to qualify them.

But remember, this is all about how you feel, because that is what she will feel, woman are so much better at picking up emotional state.

[–]borka30001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Enough

[–]resnine2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Cause you are a NiceGuy and they know it's not congruent with your personality. It's all within context. They know what they can get away with with each guy. Some dudes just say it smoothly, you aren't the right mix/combination to pull it off.

[–]forsaken_in_the_dark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Broken record, fogging and then soft next if persists. If she is still a pain, then it is a hard next.

[–]resnine6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I forgot" "I'm not sure"

[–]Aesthetic_God__1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. This!

[–]montana123451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. If they still ask I just ignore them and don't answer the question or steer it in another direction. If they keep annoy me I just flat out tell them that I don't care about their answer and that I won't tell them mine

[–][deleted] 213 points214 points  (25 children) | Copy

Iron Rule of Tomassi #8 / Always let a woman figure out why she wont ƒuck you, never do it for her.

[–]Bigdoggg32333 points34 points  (19 children) | Copy

What does this even mean

[–]ahackercalled4chan139 points140 points  (15 children) | Copy

don't shoot yourself in the foot by saying too much.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas63 points64 points  (9 children) | Copy

Like guys who chat up a girl and then for some bizarre reason ask if they have a boyfriend. See it all the time in this sub.

[–]empatheticapathetic50 points51 points  (8 children) | Copy

If a girl likes you she'll lie by omission/avoid the question.

[–]LogicalOlive22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

A better way of thinking this is that she’ll forget her boyfriend

[–]1Pink1Stink2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

not always

[–]boredathome1910 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Correct, but then you'll find out when you escalate anyway. Asking for her boyfriend brings you nothing.

[–]empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re right. But it’s something that can happen if she thinks it’ll be an obstacle for you or if she can’t handle the overt reality of cheating.

[–]Atheist_Utopia0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Ok what if she says she does? Treating it as a shit-test doesn't work unless her body language tells otherwise.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

her actions... not her words. Had a girl tell me she had a bf, the next day we went on a date...

[–]Atheist_Utopia0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah me too, and she rejected my kiss because of it. She really did have a boyfriend, even showed me a pic of him and her.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dey so cray

[–]CalmPassenger 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

What if they ask a bunch of questions? How do you answer them?

[–]resnine19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are the driver not the passenger.

[–]Haki_User6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nod, Smile, Change the topic. Act as if you didn't hear it.

[–]second-last-mohican1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be aloof, and flip the questions around. turn a question into a question.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not directly. But not like you’re hiding something. Have to master banter my friend

[–]Gordon-G10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Similar to what Napoleon said about interfering with an enemy as they self destruct

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't trouble your pretty little head about it.

[–]ppanthero0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can always say stupid shit that turns her off. "I am a virgin", "I am socially awkward", "I am nervous in your presence", "I like to poop in my cat's toilet"... But why would you do that? If a girl wants to find a reason why she won't sleep with you, she will find it anyhow. But don't rub it under her nose.

[–]Yashugan003 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

so awesome people still quoting the iron rules. it serves me well

[–]DerpJungler1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The iron rules of Rolo Tomassi should be the first thing a male reads when he starts his journey through TRP

[–]Yashugan000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I AGREE!

[–]Greek-God-Brody1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just fuckin' lol telling that to a guy who hasn't gotten laid in 7 years

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is good advice. As a guy we know our own weaknesses and flaws, own insecurities. All too often we assume everyone else does too. People don’t, especially people we just met

[–]2alpha-zach41 points42 points  (1 child) | Copy

Unlikely that it’ll come up. Especially if you are alpha enough. She’ll just assume. But if it does treat like a shit test. Ignore, AA, or pressure flip.

Even if you’d slept with hundreds of women over the last 7 years you’d do the same.

[–]3chazthundergut17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

This.

Be vague and playful. I don't answer these questions honestly or directly either, and my n-count is high.

Women judge men on behavior primarily. Act cool, calm, and sure of yourself. If you can escalate with her while staying relaxed, she will assume you have a high n-count

[–]Zanford39 points40 points  (3 children) | Copy

Glance at your watch.

[–]ghjklzxcv12316 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are a sick cunt, I will definitely use this.

[–]hazelstein1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

broski I always do that LOL!

[–]Zanford1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Game recognizes game.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her: "When did you last have sex?"

You: "What time is it?"

[–]AscensionExperiments10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah definitely lie about it lol

For reference, a girl asked who I wasn't trying to game so I answered honestly 4 months and she thought THAT was a long time

7 years will disqualify you completely

[–]thrwy7547921 points22 points  (9 children) | Copy

Bang a hooker.

That way you don't have to lie, and you'll appear less needy.

[–]KaiSmashSmashSawmash 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Cheap hookers on grindr

[–]Project_Zero_Betas12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

LMFAO

[–]UsernameIWontRegret21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lost my virginity to a prostitute.

No regrets.

Just be sure not to get addicted as paying for premium pussy can become very addicting.

[–]WeddingCrasher913 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Damn these model escorts I am fucking....... Best lays i will ever get

[–]thrwy754790 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Do you use agencies, or the independent girls?

[–]juggernaut80 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah. OP, if it's such a big deal to you (and it obviously is) just do this and get it over with.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why is it so difficult for OP to Game tho is the real quesiton

[–]-ThePathIsTheGoal-11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Always agree and amplify first with non serious answers as someone else pointed out. When she inevitably keeps on poking and prodding, just say “I don’t discuss past relationships/hookups/girls in general out of respect for their privacy”

I mean, if she has a problem with this answer, then it’s really her cross to bear. How can she not understand you wanting to respect the privacy of past women? (even if it’s a lie).

I’ve used this numerous times and it’s worked very successfully in defusing their poking and prodding. It also maintains mystery on your end. Hope this helps.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good point. It's not even the sex part that would be important to a woman, it's the whole not being in a relationship for 7 fuckin years... that's going to bring up an immediate redflag to any women OP is with. Definetely ignore and use a "I don't kiss and tell/discuss those things for respect". Real question is why the fuck hasn't OP been in a relationship for 7 years? it isn't just goin' MGTOW that's just a copout excuse for some deeper developmental problem.

[–]mrpoopistan7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're at the point where she's bringing up sex, you've missed a go signal somewhere.

[–]rexchan914 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Iron Rule of Tomassi # 2

NEVER, under pain of death, honestly or dishonestly reveal the number of women you’ve slept with or explain any detail of your sexual experiences with them to a current lover.

https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/22/youve-been-with-how-many-girls/

Read this for reference

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy

How do you get jacked, buy toys, and invest in yourself and not naturally attract women? Or did you purposefully avoid them? (Gay)

[–]resnine10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Guy said he was socially withdrawn. So his frame and confidence is in the hole.

[–]masterpiece001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This wasn't about the question, it was a facebook post showing off his lifestyle he thinks he has.

[–]conqueringbetas-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Obviously an incel lying

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

that's exactly how it sounds to me too. He got laid once and then couldn't do it again so he went MGTOW and now wants his wasted time back

[–]second-last-mohican0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Be interesting to know his age.. he better not be under 30

[–]sircomeseyesd7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

If for some reason she asks go with "I dont kiss and tell" With feigned indignation or a slight smirk.

[–]Haki_User2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well the thing is that women never want full disclosure. She wants to keep guessing and wondering herself. Never shoot out a straight answer and by the way telling a woman that you haven't gotten laid in 7 years is like a 40 year old telling his date he's a virgin. You see women want to fuck a man other women want to fuck. Now you are not going to explain to her that you haven't gotten laid because of MGTOW of course because even if you did it will sound like a fuckup covering. Instead say something like "I don't know, yesteryday, last week, do you like take notes of everytime you have sex or something?"

[–]resnine3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her: "Why haven't you been laid in 7 years?!"

Him: "Went MGTOW baby"

Her: ….

I'm sure that will play out quite nicely for OP

At least going trp is like "I'm working on it but not there yet/still in the works/making progress everyday"

​

[–]QueenSlapFight1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't think I have ever told someone the last time I had sex. Who asks that?

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, if you're that concerned about it, go find a pro.

Also, if you don't want to go that route, just doll yourself up and present yourself as a "man of property" and lay out some beta bait for some post-wall sloots who think they can get you to wife them up. I mean, it's just as bad as prostitution, but it's more socially acceptable, because you can then plausibly deny that you were just using them, because you just weren't "feeling it" after a few months, and just didn't think you two were "compatible" blah blah blah. Girls do it to guys all the time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read dry spell on rational male

[–]_Anarchon_1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

Going MGTOW isn't synonymous with becoming celibate. It's just about protecting yourself. Don't get married. Don't have children. Still bang chicks...still MGTOW.

[–]forsaken_in_the_dark2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

You need to pass the genes.

[–]_Anarchon_0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Nah. All men are born with the proper genes. The emasculation that is occurring is environmental.

​

Besides, the world is overpopulated.

[–]forsaken_in_the_dark2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I meant that you need to pass _your_ genes.

​

I agree that the world is overpopulated though, but that's socialism to blame.

[–]_Anarchon_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I appreciate the complement. And, I must admit, there are some things I regret about not having children. But, with the way society and the government currently are, and where things are heading, I think it would cruel to raise children in such an environment.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

MGTOW is just incels pretending they had a choice...

[–]_Anarchon_3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm MGTOW. My n-count is up there, and still can and do get laid any time I want.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Right, but the great majority just fuckin give up. Are fat short bald losers that aren't doing what needs to be done to improve and then go on their woman-hating rants.

[–]_Anarchon_5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

To be fair, western women have changed as well. Just as western men have become loathsome, scared, emasculated creatures, women have forsaken having any amount of class, or thoughts of being demure ladies deserving of the treatment they pretend to want. It's fucked up all around.

​

Incels/black pillers refuse to accept responsibility for themselves, which is self destructive. Red pillers claim AWALT bullshit to ignore their emotional needs, which is self destructive. Blue pillers are beta cucks that encourage poor female behavior, which is self destructive. Women, lacking reason and impulse control themselves and from men, are increasingly embracing lives absent accountability, which is self destructive.

​

Women can actually be both good and happy when they are submissive to a dominant, responsible, reasonable, man that acknowledges his need for emotional support. But we men like that are becoming rare. I don't think there's a pill color for us.
And, the government no longer allows us to be that, even if we were again plentiful. The only thing that will set things back to being right is a lack of government, and letting nature bitchslap us all back into the roles we were literally built for.

[–]randomTATRP1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wow. Great comment.

[–]_Anarchon_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you, sir.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't say shit about it. If she asks don't answer anything directly, just amused mastery, skip around it. No good can come from you telling her you haven't had sex in 7 years.

[–]Nergaal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The answer should always be ENOUGH

[–]Yashugan000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yeah! you got JACKED !!! great to hear :) males me smile the personal efforts people make to change their lives around

[–]TropicFresh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I doubt she'd ask you, she wouldn't want you to ask her.

[–]eightandsix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

should you lie to women when

Oh lol, since when do women actually want or are entitled to being told the truth?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Always better to lie when it comes to women and dating. They do not want full disclosure and that's not attractive to them no matter what they say "right now". In the long run they may use it against you.

[–]Aesthetic_God__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol yes

Typical mystery method stuff.

[–]insidedynamite0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keep your cards to your chest the less she knows the better chance you got. You can tell her some truth only after you’ve been together for a few years.

[–]batfish550 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You think she's not lying to you? You think that's her real hair? Real tits? Not wearing makeup?

If she only dates doctors, POOF, you're a doctor.

[–]goodboy32450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yes. I am a virgin. And I think next time a female ask me, I am going to straight away lie that I have been getting laid quite frequently until recently. By the time she'd figure out that I am a virgin, i wud have already lost it. Lol

[–]MotiMorphosys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've been on quite a lot of dates in the past two years and "when were you last laid" was never a question that came up. It's a non-issue. Proceed.

[–]BurnoutRS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"I may be far to socially gone to get a girlfriend"

self diagnosis complete

enacting self fulfilling inadequacy prophecy in 5,4,3...

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ignore the question, lie if you have to, but do not give names of past women or the duration you went without sex.

women always have dick available; they have a natural abundance mindset. if you can't get laid, she's gonna hold that against you.

now if you were in prison and said, "i wasn't fucking bc i was in the clink," she will prolly get turned on-depending on the crime.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I certainly do not suggest talking about your sex life with women you hardly know.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're funny.

You won't have to talk to her at all because she'll be glued to the ceiling by your semen eruption.

[–]Wjourney0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The truth comes out eventually, theres no point in lying. At the same time, I see no reason why the conversation would go there in the first place if you don't want it to. The less she knows, the better.

[–]RaughKee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think this has ever come up on this early. You're overthinking things. Very few women will press for details of your life in the beginning. If you keep seeing someone then it is only natural for her to start to ask about your past, don't be an evasive weirdo just answer with something that is truthful and vague; "there hasn't been anyone special in the past 7 years."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

" Now after 7 years I realize complete isolation from women isn't healthy"

7 years eh. 7 years to realize THAT.

​

To Irish, this guy just wasn't worth any further effort .

[–]livear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you haven't had a job in 7 years, should you lie to your employers when you start working again?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Personally, this would be considered a good thing to me because it indicates that you're less likely to have any STDs/STIs. Someone who's been sexually active a few months before meeting me would give me more incentive than I already do in general to not be sexually involved with them because they're at a higher risk for having something. Personally, men who sleep around, have multiple flings, casual sex without any committment, etc are repulsive to me. All I can think is, "Dear God. He's probably got HPV. 85% of sexually active people have it, don't show symptoms, and can still spread it. He's nasty. Next."

That's just me, though. I can't speak for these other broads.

[–]Nov516050 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

watch Alpha Male Strategies on youtube - most of his stuff is 100% consistent with the sidebar.If they ask, just say that you've been dating on & off , some serious, some not, and leave it real general.

[–]PliskinRed-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm gonna go against the inevitable grain and say this is a slam dunk if you have the balls.

Own it.

Say you haven't FUCKED in 7 years and just shrug it off like it nothing.

As long as your frame shows that you didn't WANT to fuck not that you couldn't fuck because you're some loser or whatever.

Hell laugh about it. Say that women were a bore and pussy was always the same... you DECIDED you had better shit to do. Tell her half truths... whatever you want.. Say you were building shit, working on projects, hobbies, investing, studying philosophy, working on your body and mind.

No need to get too cocky about it, just play it off cool. She'll be intrigued and the conversation will immediately become highly sexual.

You could add "....so don't think you're getting any tonight." or something along those lines with a smirk.

I once did the whole NoFap thing for 115 days and holy shit did it get me laid!

Test your mettle. Own it.

[–]resnine4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

NoFap is a placebo. And your advice might work but that shit could more likely backfire and she'd think there is something wrong with a guy not getting sex in 7 years. Guys frame is probably a wreck too, he said in his post that he might be too socially withdrawn for a real relationship, that's not going to translate to a solid frame. He just needs to ignore and skip around the question.

[–]PliskinRed-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I didn't mean that NoFap got me laid directly. I meant that talking about it (not cumming for extended periods of time through choice) got a lot of women sexually interested.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You actually told them you hadn't fapped for 100 days or something? I'm dyin'

[–]jaw86250 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

haha I've had similar results. They really love it when they know you haven't cum since the last time they saw you. I used to get so horny when nofapping that just getting texts from a plate would get my dick leaking. I would tell them this and they loved it

[–]Filmguy000-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just say that you always had a tendency to have sex with men. And that you want to see what all the fuss is about among the straight dudes.

I'm kidding, don't do that. Unless you're one of those queer club rats that shaves their head, wears fur and paints their nails black and calls everyone "girl" or "honey".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Freddie Mercury made it work, you see that bitch he had early in the movie?



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