Beta Bux and Alpha Fucks

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March 30, 2019

I showed up to askMRP about to throw in the towel. I had spent 12 years with a woman who would seemingly refuse to fall in line and follow my leadership. I was in shape, made good money, was a good dad, fucked well, dressed well and got a lot of attention from women. I still had no frame with my wife and she didn’t respect me. She would run her mouth, swear at me and consistently display really shitty behavior. I had really good beta qualities but because of my lack of frame and consistent strong alpha qualities her anger towards me only increased. She would hate me for my six pack and six figures and she would tell me I was a made man who had no value and was nothing without her. She was a harpy disrespectful cunt.

It was all my fault.

Even though I managed to do a bunch of things right they were mostly just beta improvements and I still had no frame. In addition to lacking alpha qualities I had plenty of bad beta behaviors ruining all of the good things I did. I reinforced really bad behaviors and reaped the shitty prizes. I stopped most of the beta behaviors because they weren’t helping and I was tired of being controlled by my need for validation. Because of my nice guy tendencies, I didn’t feel like I had value unless I was making my wife cum on the regular. I wasn’t doing what I wanted but was focused on her pleasure. She was the prize. I couldn’t wait to fuck her at night and she knew it very well. I had almost zero OI. I made sure to tell her how much I needed her and desired her. I allowed her to control me because I was weak and lacked mission outside of fucking her. I was a codependent beta who needed his wife to fuck him in order to feel good about himself. I got plenty of sex, but at what cost? I wasn’t the prize and I was a needy bitch. Beta bux can get you laid, but she wasn’t my slut and she controlled me with sex.

My wife started to despise me and I could tell her desire for me was waning. I knew something was wrong but I didn’t know what to do. I thought solving the problem via beta bux could be the right idea but historically she would become harpy within a short period of time after a big purchase or vacation etc. I was losing control and desire, I was lost. I was running out of ideas, and knew I couldn’t endure this forever. I was going to break.

Then I was schooled on game and frame by someone who has mastered the techniques and things started shifting back in my favor. /u/alpha-zach This shit changed my life because I was always intuitively gaming but I didn’t know the rules. I had really good frame in business, with family and my children but very little with my wife. Once I knew that frame existed and could be built like muscle, I became obsessed. My mission was to gain frame in every facet of life. The hardest place to make gains in frame was still with my wife. She is a formidable opponent concerning banter and shit testing. She knew how to push my buttons and get me to break frame.

Wednesday night my wife cursed me out for a half an hour or so. I had to fall back on STFU and endure an ear beating from a very emotional woman. I said nothing and remained unfazed. I was prepared for a massive shit test, and I passed. I sat on the couch reading and she huffed and puffed her way upstairs to the bedroom alone. I knew this was going to happen and I didn’t want to reward her shit behavior by going upstairs to fuck her. Normally, this is exactly what I would have done. I finished my drink, finished what I was doing and went upstairs. I fell asleep in seconds while she seethed in anger watching some bullshit on Netflix next to me.

I reset every morning. I loved her and served her, but didn’t give her any specific attention unless her attitude changed. We didn’t do our normal hangouts and most of our talk was logistics. She tried desperately to gain back control with nasty shit tests and tried everything she could to get me to break frame. I was the oak she punched until her knuckles bled and her arms grew weary. She realized it wasn’t hurting me and decided it was more advantageous to join the team. If all else fails she always fucks the alpha. At the end of the night, she kindly and submissively asked me to fuck her. I happily obliged. 2 days of no sex gets her all riled up and we had some really hot animalistic sex.

If you just had a great night with your woman don’t rest. Tomorrow she will wake up and might be in a shitty mood for no reason. You will have to game her again tomorrow and fix her feelz. You must remain constantly vigilant, maintain frame and game your woman every day if you want to keep things moving in the right direction. Don’t ever slack or slow down because your hypergamous little woman is going to search out the smallest chink in your armor where she can attack. Once a woman has tasted it they won’t settle for anything less than an alpha who gives no fucks and dicks them down at the end of the night. I have spoken to people who have been doing this shit for many years and this truth doesn’t change. They will always search for weakness and if they find any bitch in you, they will attack.

Edit: This was over the course of 2-3 months.

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Title Beta Bux and Alpha Fucks
Author Daddy_ThunderCock
Upvotes 28
Comments 30
Date 30 March 2019 02:21 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando37 points38 points  (9 children) | Copy

Rock solid frame.

Since Wednesday.


[–]SepeanRed Beret10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

It can click fast. For some of us it wasn't a matter of lacking alpha qualities, but more using a wrong playbook - like thinking women meant what they said and wanted to be listened to and respected.

Likely there's more room for his frame to go, but the initial progress can be rapid. I remember the first few days of the red pill, fuck it was amazing.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bluepill playbook.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It did click fast but I got a lot of help. I have a lot of work to do but at least I know what the game is and how to play.

[–]0io-Tsundere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It will be interesting to see if OP can keep the fast turnaround going. Fundamentally, though, if your only problem is that you're doing a few key things wrong, fixing those key things should get you fast and dramatic results.

I've seen guys like OP before. Had a friend who was a successful local rocker, and had a good job, hot girlfriend who he married, good-looking, in-shape, tons of interest from other women and totally pussy whipped. Yes Dear, Yes Honey, I know Dear...

I'm glad OP snapped out of the trance. Most guys never do.

[–]resolutions3162 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Is this post all taking place within a week?

[–]SBIIIRed Fucking Commando4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If only we had like a weekly thread for this kind of thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This was over the course of 2-3 months.

[–]DJiamuzak0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Damn. I’m working hard over here. All this time there’s a Red Pill magic wand?

[–]Grimsterr10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Made by Hitachi.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

“You will have to game her again tomorrow”

Yep. If you homos aren’t gaming your wives, don’t come in here complaining.

“They will always search for weakness and if they find any bitch in you, they will attack.”

Yes. That’s why we say to open up to your bros if you needz to- never share insecurities with her. She doesn’t care, she’ll hold it against you, and will see it as weakness.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy


Is OP your dad?

[–]Dialerstring10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

I couldn’t agree more. If a woman finds your weakness she will work to expose it. I remember our therapist told me to be more vulnerable. I did and that advice was more damaging than anything. Don’t be vulnerable, don’t accept disrespect, keep frame, don’t seek validation and most of all “Keep an itchy trigger finger with options in the chamber.”

[–]SepeanRed Beret5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah haha. In a joint session I once told my wife's therapist what she did that I disliked the most. My wife took that as a manual for the next fight.

[–]KoalitativeResearch3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yep. I did the same—was vulnerable and shared my pain in couples therapy (pre-MRP). My wife has later brought it up as a time she lost respect for me. Not sure if the relationship is going to come back from that, but stay plan is go plan right now.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She wonders why I refuse couples therapy. I'm actually done with all of them, they can suck a dick. They make everything worse.

[–]Dialerstring1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Echo. Stay plan is the go plan.

[–]BigAjax8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Major Faggot thinks he magically turned himself into Sergeant Rock with some alpha sprinkles and is such a feelz-driven bitch that he can't help shouting to strangers about that one time when Mommy nicely asked him if he wanted his sex cookie after she yelled at him and he was a good boy for two days.

I have some seriously bad news for you. You're still a validation-seeking pussy and you're too much of a 'tard to realize it. Now, instead of just seeking validation from your harpy BPD cunt of a wife, you're also looking for it from anonymous men on the internet. Aside from the boilerplate MRP phrases, there isn't a goddamn thing to learn from your post, except that diary entries written in the warm glow of fucking a crazy woman are best kept to yourself.

Dialing back just a bit, if you had made this post as a FR and connected it to things you had learned and tried out, maybe you and some others could have benefited from it. Instead, you come in here wanting to share some big-picture, long-term lesson you learned from a single event that played out over a measly two days. That's the alpha sprinkles mindset and indicates that you really have no idea what you're doing or what you're talking about. From everything you said here, maybe your crazy bitch of a wife got the message and has joined your team. Or, maybe she ran out of all the other cards she had to play and resorted to sex to continue keeping control over her bitch. Or maybe the weird bag of chemicals in her skull suddenly shifted from "miserable, nasty cunt" to "sex kitten" for no reason at all connected to you and what you did for two days. Since, by your own admission, you've had a beta, needy-for-sex mindset for so long, even you ought to recognize that you're a piss-poor judge of what actually went on when you let your wife shriek at you like a worthless shitstain for half an hour and then two days later she's sexing you up.

[–]helaughsinhidden5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keeping hypergamy in check is like holding water in your hands. It is constantly seeking cracks in the container or weakness to erode around a leak to escape.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are in an interesting position with your particular female in that sex is always there it's just that her attitude is total shit.

From what you've said you do seem to have a particularly challenging chick that you blew past flags to marry. We can label it whatever popular psychological term we want, but all of them are on a spectrum.

That being said. You seem to be doing well in course correction with what you have to work with.

You're going to fix you and that's all we care about.

She may always be more prone to shit test from crazy / emotional labile childlike mentality, but although hope for them is for chumps if there is hope I'd say you make yourself rock solid and she'll have to be on her toes or you'll eventually shake her off.

I think a key move is going to be to STFU, AA and AM a lot more. You keep working on it. It should get easier (at least for you).

I sat on the couch

I have to be honest in that occasionally I really have had a long day and O.I. is just out of the picture.

You know what's sometimes easy to do? A.A./A.M. and NGAF with her buttons to get her to remove herself. Sometimes a win is just getting them to leave. I've done it. I do it. And I'm sure I'll need to do it some more. It's like NEGGING to lose. I just go for it.

I don't like being an asshole, but if you're going to make me.... And I'm ok with it so long as deep down I'm NGAF.

Yes A.A. and A.M. is ideal with her getting over test positively is ideal.

Yes , showing you have something better to do is ideal.

But, if the shit tests are frequent enough I think adding piss-her-off till she leaves as ok. It's like popping that emotional zit if they want to be full of pus. Now, I'm a little knowledgeable that mine will do that if pressed, it's kinda a go to if she is just hell bent on exercising her anger-mode.

Now,I don't want you getting her to go all Lorena Bobbit on you, so this comes with a heavy disclaimer on "use sparingly and with caution".

I know a lot of other vets probably keep other aces/last resorts up their sleeve that are a bit of a tweak from the normal mrp. I would consider this my divergent mode to deal with my specific flavor of AWALT. You seem to have a similar variant.

So keep up all the other good work. Work on viewing her more as a disappointed parent to her emotional childishness and take the high road. But next time instead of just letting yourself get an earful if you really can't O.I. experiment with getting her to huff off. In a way so that you are really laughing inside if it works and from a center of "wow this is crazy, let's have some fun".

Also: don't construe this as saying hurtful or mean things. Just frustrating and clearly you could give two shits making fun of the extremity of it. I even think I've said Bye Felicia with a chuckle a few times which really ensures a good door slam.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m going to use bye Felicia. That’s fucking gold.

[–]BlackFire687 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like a lot of work for a little pussy

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All of the failures that come in here with so many “Alpha qualities”. Probably best to avoid that phrase if your record for holding frame is a handful of days.

[–]johnn20152 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Wait how is sit there while she chew you out is holding frame?

[–]alpha-zach3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Sometimes the best play is to smile, nod, then do what you were going to do in the first place.”

Considering all the potential variables in a relationship the amount of frame you have, the time you’ve had it, her respect, your personal ability to handle her crazy, her level of crazy, etc sometimes it’s a very good move to let her rant while you sit calm, confident, and unmoved.

[–]jerrymcguiver1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I would've told my wife to stfu and go away. Is that breaking frame?

[–]johnn20152 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yea you weak bitch.

[–]jerrymcguiver4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be exact "Is my zipper undone? Then shut your mouth bitch and go make me a sandwich.".

[–]aherrns0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This sounds like fun.

[–]Channel_oreo-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

She sounds like she is bipolar or have some psychotic issues. Better have an escape plan someday because that shit ain't healthy in the long run. No matter how strong is your frame.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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