ROOSH: Never Listen To A Woman | " I’ve observed almost no cases where a man’s status or position has been increased from following a woman’s advice or opinions, and it’s much more likely for him to be harmed from it."

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Title ROOSH: Never Listen To A Woman | " I’ve observed almost no cases where a man’s status or position has been increased from following a woman’s advice or opinions, and it’s much more likely for him to be harmed from it."
Author redpillschool
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Date 20 February 2019 04:45 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women are the biggest children in the house - listen to them, pat them on their pretty little heads and then do your own thing. Their advice is directly parroting Cosmo, or applies to women not men.

Some advice I've had:

"Flirt by biting your lower lip" - Really??

"Be yourself, you don't need to change" - I hadn't been laid in over a year.

"Just be more confident, try to be nicer"- I'd been friend zoned.

"If you want to meet people, just go to a bar and wait for people to hit on you" - Don't work that way with guys.

"Doing the washing is sexy" - Really?

"Let's have a baby! I know we can't afford it, but love will find a way." - She didn't see me much after that one.

"Can't you just earn more money, and spend more time at home?" - My mom to my dad.

[–]Kealvyn38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

The last one gets to me a lot

[–]5Imperator_Red9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Solipsism - the inability to conceive of any reality outside her own.

[–]3chazthundergut71 points72 points  (3 children) | Copy

Not true at all.

Remember when Will Smith's wife talked him out of that stupid sci-fi movie about agents and dodging bullets? And instead convinced him to do Wild Wild West?

[–]Fullmetalshawty12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

A franchise she would subsequently act in herself

[–]krunchtimer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit, never knew that. Will Smith would have been choosing the red pill from Lawrence Fishburn

[–]5Imperator_Red25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've noticed that even among very intelligent women, there is very little to no intellectual curiosity outside of what their teachers or employers tell them that they must know, and even then, their limited intellectual curiosity usually follows the lines of whatever is in vogue at the time, which is really not intellectual curiosity at all but is again an authority telling them what to be interested in. Never in my life have I been pleasantly surprised by a woman's random knowledge of civil war campaigns, her hobby of watching YouTube videos about quantum physics, or her well thought out ideas for various policy issues.

[–]SeasonedRP6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have noticed the same thing. The smart career-oriented ones have little intellectual curiosity, which is odd compared to men at the same career level.

[–]The-Peter-Principle3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s because your asking them the wrong types of question.

Guys work with facts.

Girls work with feelings, theirs is the emotional landscape. Also subtle social, behavioral cues.

Ask her about the latest drama in her circle, who feels what, who is up in social position, who’s down etc and you’ll have a hard time getting her to stop talking.

Girls think the same shit when they listen to us guys:

“Why the fuck are they talking about that dumb little robot on mars? It doesn’t make you feel anything or even help you in your immediate life right now.” Pants dry up just a little more...

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That’s because those are the hobbies of middle aged incels.

[–]Rupturednutsack20 points21 points  (20 children) | Copy

I fucked up monumentally with regards to this piece of work.

Background- Business law degree- 2:1, now studying an "international diploma in money laundering". Why? Because my aunt and grandmother who seem to facilitate alot of changes in my environment, advised(demanded I do so because otherwise i'll become like those other people working shitty jobs, the irony let me tell you). These two women contributed to my lack of will to question and say "no" to their suggestions, despite the idea of working within this sedentary industry makes my skin crawl. At a young age I got it from all angles "Go to university like a good boy and get lots of money", "You can either go to university and work a good job, or go and do a trade which is dirty and dangerous".

The job involves being sat at a desk for 8 hours and I get 1 hour to move around or go grab lunch. I make every effort to be as mobile as possible, so i drink water which makes me piss, which makes me grab another glass from the office kitchen. It's minimal but I've preserved some sanity doing it. It drains me daily, somehow, by doing pretty much nothing, with no product or physical representation of my work to motivate me to want to come in tomorrow. I dont have the energy to train, yet when I worked with my Dad's mechanical firm, lifting heavy shit and carrying tools around, I had much more energy despite having burned more calories and actually done physical work. I used to go to the gym 5 times a week. Now I rarely go because I'm drained from doing nothing. It makes absolutely no sense but that's what it is.

I am waiting for the fallout for when I divulge to them that I'm done taking any of their advice, because I seem to have placed myself in a position where I dedicated 3 years of my life to one of the subjects with highest student participation (Law and its subfields), which is heavily dependant on having wealthy family that knows people in law firms. The work experience is usually unpaid, and to become a barrister or solicitor you have to take a £18,000 Bar practice training course, or a £14,000 Legal practice course. Both of which I couldn't afford and didn't want to do. But this "international diploma in anti-money laundering" costs £4,500. Again I fucked up by agreeing to accept their financial help (they chipped in) and now I have to pay them back. It is not a quiet industry, as the Brexit day draws closer, much UK legislation would have to be rewritten and then the firms would have to adopt it, meaning changes from the bottom up most likely. The compliance industry is just a sub industry of law and finance which is going to become automated anyway because it relies on checklist practices and seeking authorization.

I owe them the money for this course, which as a man I have to pay and keep word in doing so, which in turn means making the decision of working in this industry until I've paid them off, or grabbing my balls and at the right moment- to tell them straight and figure out how I'm going to pay them back and get one less debt off my mind.

This piece of writing only reinforces these feelings of regret and anger I have for not finding out what I want to do before embarking on this career fuckery.

[–]reluctantly_red8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy

I actually really enjoyed law school. It was intellectually stimulating. However, the practice of civil litigation is mind numbing. Luckily I stumbled into criminal defense which is lots of fun. I work as a public defender and its a great gig. In big law you're basically a corporate lap dog. As a public defender I have almost total autonomy and I don't have to kiss anyone's ass. I'm not even tied to my desk most of the time.

But none of this stops my GF from bitching about how I lack ambition for "settling" for such a low paying job when I could be making big bucks. Luckily I've learned enough to ignore this sort of pressure.

[–]5Imperator_Red9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

But none of this stops my GF from bitching about how I lack ambition for "settling" for such a low paying job when I could be making big bucks. Luckily I've learned enough to ignore this sort of pressure.

You should probably start ignoring her in more holistic way, as in... break up.

[–]Olga_Schmutzer2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Couldn't agree more. Law school made me think systematically and rational, how to handle large amounts of information in my head, how to prioritize, etc. But foremost, it made me aware of how the system works and what buttons to push in society to get shit done, because law is connected to politics, economics, history, philosophy, sociology, etc.

Having a career in law on the other hand... law is so big and so much related to everything, there are tons of different career paths one can take. Within 'law', or outside of 'law' with useful knowledge and problem solving skills. Like Steve Jobs once said: "I don't think anybody should be a lawyer, but going to law school can actually be useful because it teaches you how to think in a certain way..." I guess criminal defense can be a whole lot of fun, or at least, never a dull moment!

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I was considering law school. Would you recommend it? I’ve heard it can be a bad investment of time and money.

[–]Olga_Schmutzer0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I can't answer that question for you. For me, it worked out okay, I'm not in debt, I learned a lot, just not the stuff they asked for in the tests. Solving other people's problems with other people's rules is just not my thing. But for each their own.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Ok maybe I should ask, how are the career prospects for a JD outside of the tedious work life of the attorney path?

[–]Olga_Schmutzer0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not in a position to answer this for you. Your question - on the surface - seems to be about your career, but I think these kind of questions should be more about your life. Zoom out! And take a look at the Black Dragon Blog if you want; Caleb is capable of explaining why you'll turn out okay career-wise without a college degree or anything.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I’ve been leaning heavily against law school. I just sometimes throw out the question when I see someone doing it. I get mixed responses.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Btw what’s the independent work strategy black dragon promotes?

[–]1scissor_me_timbers001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve honestly reached the point where I sadistically enjoy humiliating people, even loved ones, when they speak to me in bitchy ways or doubt me in some fashion. I treat people very well until they do things like you described your girlfriend bitching irrationally. At that point I enjoy making them feel like idiots. But I’m pretty damaged.

If I was in your shoes and I decided I wanted to break up w my girl because she was treating me like that, I would plan out do do it in the most unexpected and humiliating way for her. Just totally shatter her frame.

[–]nsfwalt90011 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don’t bother with law school unless you have connections or you are Jewish. Preferably both.

[–]Bountyperson2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is a beta, loser thing to say.

[–]whatdidshewrite1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what happens when you let others make your decisions for you - woman or non-woman.

[–]DownyGall1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Aw man, when you said international diploma in money laundering, I thought you were gonna say you were in the mob.

[–]Rupturednutsack1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not quite, but upon further investigation, the money laundering and countering of terrorist financing efforts sometimes appear to adhere to the shirky principle, ie- the institution preserves the problem it is created to solve.

Enforcement action is rarely successful, around 99.98% failure rate according to the institution I am doing this diploma with

[–]NYNYGRDTDYEL0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Left the military to go to college for my parents, now sit at a desk 9 hours a day with no fucking lunch break. Make 6 figs but hate the work week. Just live for the weekend. Hopefully my side gig gets going before I just say fuck it and quit.

[–]AdmirableStretch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Go back to your dad's mechanical firm and tell them you'll pay them back slower. Fuck that man

[–]RedPilledRoaster15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy


Arnold's wife often gave him good advice.

A smart partner can help you. You just need to know when their advice is sound and when it isn't.

And betas don't know how to do that.

[–]ZeroToAHundred9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, it’s foolish to think that there advice is never beneficial

[–]boy_named_su16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

You should listen to them. But do the opposite of what they say

[–]AggressiveProgrammer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

My view on this is that women are smart enough to know that if someone is a soyboy, it takes a hell of a lot more than just a few words, let alone multiple lengthy conversations to restructure the mind of someone who is so ingrained into their system that they have bought into. No one has time for that bullshit. If you try giving damn good advice to young people, you'll notice that they just can't find it in them to care. It goes in and goes out because they just aren't ready. A soyboy is on such a low level of awareness/self development that a woman has to wonder if he can even be discretionary, therefore why would she admit she likes things our society paints as evil and ruin her reputation... for a soyboy? I believe that's why they give such ridiculous advice, it's one's choice to be a soyboy and no one will invest their time into giving you so much love unless you really are worth it as a person; there's a lot of people out there who are fucking evil so it's your job to make it seem like you're worth the investment--not anyone else's. Like TRP always says, women are not here to be your mommy, they have lives too and are trying to find the utmost happiness for themselves, which is just them looking out for themselves and having self respect, like men. As men we do not like to be some bad boy's replacement baby daddy, which is how this balances out!

[–]BrosefJones8511 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’d say hold their advice up to scrutiny like anyone else. Females can give good advice, but our culture pushes that females give superior advice lol nope.

[–]AggressiveProgrammer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I can think of a woman I know who is logical and won't give shitty advice. Not all women are replicas of each other. However, there's almost nothing a woman can say that I can't tell myself. Women are just men with a hole between their legs instead of a dick, delusional soyboys make the bed they lay in, they have to accept this first.

[–]whatdidshewrite33 points34 points  (7 children) | Copy

This part of TRP that shits on women specifically when the same can be said for everyone else makes me cringe. Shit advice from a woman is shit advice. Shit advice from a man? Also shit advice.

Listen to whoever you want but make your own damn decisions - woman or non-woman.

[–]1empatheticapathetic21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Think you’re missing the point.

The correlation of bad and agenda based instruction (aka a shit test) is much higher to be delivered by a woman than a man.

My brother, friends, co workers will give me solid advice that helps me.

My mother, sister, potential partners, will give me shit advice to suit their agenda to test how independent I can be.

There are exceptions for both, but there is a real shortage of good advice being delivered by women to men.

[–]suxxos5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say following anyone's advice is always a risky business. Noone knows the context of your decisions better than you, so you are the one who should make them. It doesn't hurt to listen to advice from anyone, but following them is another story.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women make emotional and not logical decisions. So does Don Lemon and other feminized men

[–]5Imperator_Red2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Cringe all you want. Just don't take any advice from women.

[–]Ruthieovertherainbow0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My advice to you would be to not take my advice. Pretty fucked with that one, aren't you?

[–]5Imperator_Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes people on the internet type things, and they don't make any sense. See above.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Advice from men: maybe bad

Advice from women: probably bad, always originates from emotions

[–]anonlymouse10 points11 points  (14 children) | Copy

My then-girlfriend and I had a dispute with our landlord. It went to arbitration. She was a paralegal, and while she specialized in a different field than tenant-landlord disputes, when she told me to do something differently, or to stop doing something entirely (specifically to shut up when I started arguing), in the course of preparation and during arbitration, I did. We won.

It would be pretty stupid to disregard free legal advice from a professional simply because she's a woman.

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[–]anonlymouse0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

The title suggests otherwise. If the content of the article is different, it's either Roosh's fault or OP's fault for not summarizing it correctly.

[–]BPasFuck-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

Here's something I do when I say something stupid, that reveals I didn't read the fuckin' article and have put my foot in my mouth:

I shut up.

But sure-- you can blame Roosh. Or the OP, or anyone else but yourself. It's still your foot. And your mouth.

[–]anonlymouse0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Go ahead, try to explain exactly what you think in my comment was stupid.

I'm not going to read an article simply because it's Roosh, or Heartiste, or really anyone else. The only person who's an instant read for me here is Venkash Rao. Everyone else, if you're going to link someone, you've got to justify why it is worth my time to click through.

[–]BPasFuck0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

The article includes a specific caveat for exactly the situation you mention, re: subject matter experts.

That's why your comment is stupid. That's why I know you didn't read the fuckin' article.

If I'm not interested in an article, I don't read it. Same as you. I may still comment. But if someone tells me I got it wrong, and that I should read the fuckin' article-- the last thing I do is try and blame anyone else other than myself.

But hey, you do you. I'm sure the world is turning better, filled with people that can't own their own mistakes.

[–]anonlymouse0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

If you think an article is worth reading, it's on you to present it in a way to make people want to read it.

[–]BPasFuck-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

That has nothing to do with my point.

If you don't want to read the article, don't read the article.

By that same token-- if someone tells you that your statement is entirely wrong, for reasons that were elucidated in the article...

Well, you're guilty of shooting your mouth off and not knowing what you're talking about.

Everyone's been there before. And will be again. What makes you special, is that you keep doubling down, and trying to act like you haven't fucked up somehow.

It's absolutely precious.

Get over it. You acted with imperfect understanding of the circumstances-- but like a woman, you're refusing to accept any blame for the mild 'censure' you've recieved-- obfuscating the issue with complaints about the headline. Or the summary. What's next? You won't read it because you're on your period?

[–]anonlymouse0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

By that same token-- if someone tells you that your statement is entirely wrong, for reasons that were elucidated in the article...

My statement isn't entirely wrong. Or even slightly wrong. It's 100% correct.

[–]BPasFuck-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's wrong, in the context that you're trying to take issue with the article for not acknowledging something that it in fact does.

The premise for your comment-- the reason you even made it-- is entirely faulty.

Out of curiousity-- are you German? You remind me of one I know.

[–]Rupturednutsack4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The white collar sector of work is as blue pill as it gets

Just go on to LinkedIn and note down how many companies do the following

Every advertisement or marketing campaign talks about “empowering our employees to become better” or “promoting inclusivity so that people feel empowered to make a difference”

The kind of shit that supports woman’s day and praises any woman who gets promoted to a senior ranking officer of a company, which I swear feminists despise because “it shouldn’t matter if a woman became CFO- next breath* You need to see this female Regional manager’s new groundbreaking move in blue

It’s just disgusting and a shameless industry, suited only to old people who need to sit down because they have back problems, and closed minded ceos that refuse to utilise the Pareto principle and numerous positive changes to the generic work life that 99.9% of offices contain

[–]Hyper_Sonik2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

especially when a woman claims she needs something more in the relationship. That's the point where you need to walk.

[–]Rupturednutsack0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

However despite this, I must not direct my anger or feelings about this to them, it is futile. I can’t blame them for my failure of making the right choice- I should have seen through the blue pill conditioning they very smartly bestowed unto me at a very young age

My mother’s working pattern meant she needed a childminder to take me to school and collect me, my grandmother would pick me up and supervise me until my dad got home from work, so there was a lack of contact on my mothers part, although no fault of hers because 1990s England was a mess- the family had to squeeze every penny and a job meant a means of surviving in post recession England

I learned a myriad of lessons being brought up in such an environment

[–]SoulRedemption0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

While the majority of scenarios is true to this, there are cases where its wrong. But it woulf apply to more of less successful men with bo discipline and plan.

[–]thirstybitch130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would disagree with two words. Hillary Clinton

[–]krunchtimer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How many guys here had a mother (with no medical background) who constantly insisted "you should be a doctor" with absolutely no knowledge of what getting through med school entails?

[–]awakenedspirit10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hilariously true. I have no exceptions in my life. Wild.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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