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First rule of dealing with rape accusations and the police, keep your mouth shut.

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Title First rule of dealing with rape accusations and the police, keep your mouth shut.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 438
Comments 83
Date 15 May 2018 04:12 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/226614
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[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor156 points157 points  (12 children) | Copy

This should be required viewing for all Americans on their 18th birthday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

The best part is when the cop gets his turn and pretty much says "yeah what he said."

[–][deleted] 96 points97 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shutting the hell up and not correcting your adversary when they request that you assist them in their quest to destroy you is one of the few central pillars of redpill. As children we are taught compliance above all, at any cost, even if it harms the self and harms the alliance, in the pursuit of some ideological sense of justice.

This concept goes back at least 3500 years and found written about in the bible on the many parables of the fool. http://biblehub.com/nasb/proverbs/10-19.htm

Hear it from the mouth of old Steve Jobs. https://youtu.be/E9AMzypodls?t=27s

When something is wrong, resist the urge to just run in and fix it and shut the hell up. When your enemy is making a mistake, accidentally failing to correct them is wisdom.

[–]AmatureProgrammer28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

18th birthday

I think its should be best as soon as you hit puberty

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Criminal liability attaches at 13 or something.

[–]richi00038 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

Does this shit work in Europe too?

[–]Desthr021 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the USA, constitutional law protects you from self-incrimination. Here, it has been taken to mean that if you keep your food-hole closed, they can't MAKE you incriminate yourself.

So, in Europe, it may depend on where you are at. Nobody here is compelled to talk to anyone, let alone the police. It may be different there where people may be required to talk to the police.

[–]BleuSceptre13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Depends where you live probably. In France, you should never under any circumstances talk to the police if you are in "garde à vue", I have a short book about that (in french)

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points | Copy

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[–]BleuSceptre0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't know, as it is apparently more a pdf than a real book. It's called "Manuel de survie en garde à vue", roughly translated in "Survival kit for custody". You can probably find it online, in french and maybe in other languages.

[–]GoRedBad 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

In the UK they say this when you get arrested: "You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you fail to mention, when questioned, something that you later rely on in court."

[–]Commentor5440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Does that mean saying nothing to the police will harm you in the court?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That cop really really likes himself.

[–]grewapair57 points58 points  (11 children) | Copy

The mistake most people make is they try to talk the cops out of arresting them, usually by stating the sex they had was consensual. Right there, you are 90 percent of the way to conviction, because all the girl has to do is say the sex you just admitted to wasn't consensual, and they prosecutor knows the jury will immediately take her side.

So by talking you are sinking your own case. As soon as a cop asks you a question, shut the hell up and ask for your lawyer.

Don't try to avoid the arrest by talking. Accept the arrest. As long as you say nothing and there is no other evidence, the charges will likely be dropped. As for other evidence, it's usually non existent.

[–]ThePlague16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are NEVER going to win roadside court and, most probably, you are going to say something that will hurt you down the road in the gynocentric legal system. The cop is not your friend in that case, no matter how he tries to frame the questioning. Keep your mouth shut, don't be trolled or goaded.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy

Question...

Let's say a girl claims that I had non-consensual sex with her. I don't talk to the police but we still end up going to court.

In court, they ask me whether we had sex or not. Again, if I say, "yes we had sex but it was consensual" I have admitted to the sex which she can claim was non-consensual and convict me.

If I deny and say, "no we did not have sex" but they find evidence to prove that we did have sex, I may get convicted due to dishonesty.

If I remain silent however, it will seem suspicious as to why I refuse to deny or comment on whether sex happened or not and I might be convicted.

Is this accurate? What is the best approach?

[–]Huffnagle16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

If you’re in the USA, they can’t ask you anything in court unless your lawyer is stupid enough to let you testify.

There may be times when that’s the best strategy, but get a good lawyer and listen to him.

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

In a he-said/she-said situation, if she gets up on the stand and "says" then the evidentiary burden of proof will shift to you. Unless you are very lucky, she won't get demolished on cross examination leaving you no choice but to testify.

[–]steve706385 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

She is going to have to get every detail correct. Let's say you were at a club and she says you left at midnight (when you left at 1AM). Maybe you have a credit card receipt from the bar at 12:30 proving you couldn't have gone home with her. Maybe the Uber driver doesn't remember you. Maybe the Uber drivers says the guy she was with was blonde guy, not brown hair that you have.

The point is not to confirm any point of her statement. Any error in her memory weakens her story. Don't help her.

[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree generally but the "drunk card" works against you. If the chick was loaded and can't remember this or that, it seems that people will fill in the blanks with facts that work against the guy, unless you have the documented evidence to back up your own story.

[–]The_Noble_Lie-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

What if you represent yourself (no lawyer) and decide to say nothing or very little (take the fifth in a sort of "protest".)

So in response to did you have sex: say something like "I did nothing wrong" (a cryptic neither no or yes - assertion that morality should prevail)

Is any part of the above perhaps useful/applicable (I know very little about criminal law) or do jurors end up despising non answers? (The unfortunate, no answer/transparency == guilt)

[–]Huffnagle9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jurors are people, rape is despicable. If you come into court acting all weird and shifty, you’re going down. And representing yourself is foolish.

[–]PMnewb-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you represent yourself and don't even bother arguing a case, you will lose. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, but our trial system is adversarial, meaning its one side (you) convincing the jury against the other side. If the prosecution is free to take their time and lay down a case against you, and you don't bother poking holes at that case, the jury is inclined to convict you.

You cannot be compelled to be a witness against yourself, so you cannot be asked "Did you have sex" during a trial if you choose not to take the stand. You cannot be asked anything if you choose to not take the stand.

[–]grewapair5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

What's the best approach? It depends on the evidence, all of which you get to see before you need to testify.

If there's no evidence, your lawyer will tell the jury that they haven't proven their case, there's no evidence you even had sex, so they don't need to decide consent. If there's evidence you had sex, your lawyer will argue there was consent.

But when the cop comes to arrest you? You don't know enough then. Keep your mouth completely shut.

[–]steve70638-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not exactly. The prosecutor has to show your lawyer their evidence. Let's say she gets the date wrong in her statement and you were in another state at the time or had witnesses. You don't say anything. Your lawyer shows the judge evidence you were elsewhere and case is dismissed. A dismissed case is better than being found not guilty.

[–]varlogmessages74 points75 points  (11 children) | Copy

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[–]Sisu6972 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

No, we don’t hate that advice. That shit is so fucking vital. Never ever ever have drunk sex with a rando. Get their number and ask to meet up when sober. Only time you should be having drunk sex is when you are with a confirmed not crazy woman who gave sober consent to drunk sex. I’m a college guy in a frat at a liberal arts college filled with sjws. Shit is like living in the book “1984” over here. Everything you do is watched. My friend almost caught a case that way. He and a girl that he had been fucking for a while, and was ok with drunk sex, AND had consensual drunk sex with in the past no problem, almost fucked him over. Her roommate saw her leave the bar with my friend. They had both only had about four drinks and it was a 30 minute walk back to campus, allowing them to pretty much sober up by the time they got back , or at least enough to be fully capable of decision making. Girl was totally cool with having sex with him, but the roommate reported it. My friend got investigated and luckily he got off fine. Before the investigation started he was ready to drop school and go to another college on the other side of the country because he thought his life was about to get ruined. He later remembered that a year before that incident, the same roommate that reported him was begging to fuck him while she was way too drunk to fuck. She was actually drunk to point where it would have actually not been consent. He told her no for obvious reasons. She probably couldn’t handle the rejection and reported him to get back at the fact that he wouldn’t fuck her. Something similar happened to me when a girl I turned down framed me for something I didn’t do, tarnished my reputation, and almost reported me to the police. Be careful with these crazy bitches. And DONT FUCK DRUNK RANDOS

[–]UFO_mechanic_AMA7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

And of course, nothing happened to the woman reporting it, right? So fucking glad I finished college before this shit took over.

[–]hirayama_ronin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

but the roommate reported it

America is a society of informers.

[–]The_Noble_Lie2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Projection by the reporter of the consensual sex. Typical immature child like, womanish behavior (men can project hard too)

But also, it was reported and the guy overreacted, nothing coming of it, ofand course in retrospect. The truth tends to come out when theres not a larger more powerful conspirator to hide it from the light.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nah dude, if shes super fucked up and can't consent I'm not down.

Besides if she's that fucked, is it really going to be enjoyable anyhow?

I don't need a girl to be blackout drunk to have sex.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can have one-night stands, just don't make the girls regret it. Keep your mouth shut about your romantic exploits.

A woman generally only reverses herself when the negative feelings about possibly being labeled as a slut outweight her positive feelings about sleeping with you.

[–]suxxos2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've posted the same advice so many times here and always get downvoted. If you sleep with a random girl, you are just asking for trouble. It's not worth it. Especially if you take the "she wants it, you just have to break her LMR" rule too seriously.

[–]TankVet26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

First and only rule of dealing with police: Do not talk to police.

[–]ThePlague18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a service called "Texas Law Shield" which provides 24 hour access to a lawyer in the event you are involved in a lawful shooting. Perhaps it is time that a similar service be started for these out of control false allegations.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (21 children) | Copy

Another thing everyone should do, try your best to ever prevent being in that situation.

After sex, send some messages to her like "I really enjoyed having sex with you. When are we going to do it again?", or something like that. Send a message that basically has her admit she consented to sex so if she does accuse you, you can show the police/your attorney that asap.

[–]bornonasunday94 points95 points  (4 children) | Copy

“I really enjoyed that consensual sex.”

[–]grewapair62 points63 points  (8 children) | Copy

DO NOT ADMIT YOU HAD SEX WITH ANYONE. PERIOD. "I had a nice time, hope to see you again" achieves the same result. DO NOT ADMIT ANY ELEMENT OF A CRIME. Sex is an element of rape. NEVER admit to it.

[–]OfficerWade8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Innocent until proven guilty, USA USA USA....

[–]moltenw1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

These days it's more like "Guilty until proven innocent"...

[–]d4ng3rz0n30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Innocent until proven guilty is actually not a law. Its a principle that is often quoted but the only thing we are guaranteed is due process.

[–]PID1_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Maybe in court, but your mugshot across the 9 o'clock news can really put a damper on your social life.

[–]OfficerWade-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t put that evil on me!

[–]TeenagerFanatic 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

If a girl says you had sex, the cops will believe her. Its better to keep a text like that in case.

[–]grewapair1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. Keep your mouth shut. Make them prove everything beyond a reasonable doubt. Even that you had sex at all. Shut the fuck up.

[–]Huffnagle27 points28 points  (4 children) | Copy

I prefer a text that says something like “I had a really nice time with you last night”.

Leaves plausible deniability, also it is less likely to set off her inner slut defenses so you’re more likely to get a positive answer. When she answers “me too”, that’s a pretty strong statement if you were to end up in the legal system.

[–]thoughtlow10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm always wondering what happens when she says: I just said "me too" because i was scared.

[–]Huffnagle2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

She can say whatever crazy shit she wants, you can’t prevent that. But... Your lawyer can get some reasonable doubt out of that text, and that could make the difference.

[–]Seven_Veils10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

You guys are scaring me with all these posts about rape accusations..

[–]possessedmokey11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was accused before. Its very upsetting to say the least. We had been Fuck buddies for a few months. Not sure why she decided to go psycho. I never will know because I changed my phone number, email, and blocked her on every social media I had at the time. She even tried to send me a sorry message on psn. Negative.

[–]Theo_Stormchaser4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Now you know why I have anxiety attacks at university.

[–]comcain1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should be scared.

[–]Xhaka-Laca5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for sharing, this video is gold. Definitely required reading.

[–]IClogToilets2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A few years ago I took my 18 year old son to a lecture by a lawyer on how to protect himself. The lawyer recommended recording the audio of the encounter. That way, if you are accused you can prove consent. The way things worked during the Obama administration (not sure these days), a college was expected to throw you out on just an accusation. The male had to "prove" it was consensual. The only way to prove it was to record the encounter.

[–]Lkeacentipede5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

For the bros that are after casual sex, the post called "Comfort game in the me too Era" is worth reminding as well.Even if charges are dismissed or you are found innocent, a post of hers in social media and your reputation is screwed.Make sure she doesn't feel used until you get that all so valuable "preventation false rape accusation text"

[–]metallicdrama1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

NEVER TALK TO POLICE. NEVER. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COLLECT EVIDENCE OF YOUR INNOCENCE. NEVER TALK TO POLICE. THE ONLY WORD YOU EVER SAY TO POLICE IS LAWYER. NEVER ANSWER A SINGLE QUESTION EVER. UNLESS IT IS WITH THE WORD LAWYER.

[–]Grimsterr2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

First rule of dealing with rape accusations and the police, keep your mouth shut.

Honestly, too many words in the title, if the police are talking to you, and it's not the band, shut the hell up.

[–]Gman7770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thats the first rule of dealing with police in any situation.

[–]CloudFoxx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or do what Dennis does and make sure it's always recorded

[–]lastdumra0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are misreading why feminists are pushing this line. They fully expect to be called crazy for this line of "reasoning". But what they are doing is widening the Overton Window to their side. For the ones that don't understand how the Overton Window works, what they accomplish with this crazy and stupid article is make it look like what previously looked like an extremist position, suddenly look a lot more centered and even reasonable, thus harder to fight against.

This is the game that is being played on people who try to remain reasonable. By publishing crazy they push the discussion towards their side and make it look like the reasonable opponents are now extremists.

[–]Lkeacentipede-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

For the bros that are after casual sex, this is worth reminding as well.Even if charges are dismissed or you are found innocent, a post of hers in social media and your reputation is screwed.Make sure she doesn't feel used until you get that all so valuable "preventation false rape accusation text"

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7w778m/comfort_game_in_the_metoo_era/



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