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Intrasexual Competition and the Strong Independent Woman. "That women are the gatekeepers of sex but men are the gatekeepers of commitment is incomplete. More accurately men are the gatekeepers of investment, a category which includes commitment."

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Title Intrasexual Competition and the Strong Independent Woman. "That women are the gatekeepers of sex but men are the gatekeepers of commitment is incomplete. More accurately men are the gatekeepers of investment, a category which includes commitment."
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 415
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Date 12 January 2018 06:32 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/226694
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[–]TheYekke105 points106 points  (17 children) | Copy

Yup and Alan Roger Currie calls that ‘non-sexual time’ a man spends. Methinks this is a passing phase as marriage rates continue to crater in the coming decade. We’re about to see the largest unmarried percentage of women hit their end of fertility...something is telling me this is make or break time for the strong independent Cat Person.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 58 points59 points  (12 children) | Copy

We’re about to see the largest unmarried percentage of women hit their end of fertility..

Could we be witnessing the 'baby bust'?

[–]TheYekke60 points61 points  (11 children) | Copy

That or a gigantic game of chicken. Feminism works by brainwashing the young and fertile, but once they hit their 33-34s and slam into the vast ‘unsold inventory’ that runs from 48-49 back to 35 I’d see at least a substantial amount break ranks. In the past it was ‘last one to the altar wins’, now 32 seems to be the hard cutoff.

[–]TheRedPillMonkey44 points45 points  (10 children) | Copy

If that trends continues, we could see regression to early marriage. Those of the future tend to want different of those of the past. We could see women have a race to an early marriage and family.

You already can see some pushback among females who realize they just want to be a housewife and homemaker. Lots of women at TRP women in that regard, and a lot of women who realize it later on.

I always think it's funny how men joke how women love to change their minds, but don't assume it will happen as a whole.

[–]TheYekke52 points53 points  (7 children) | Copy

My vote is on herd behavior every single time. Both for predictability and for its countermeasures. The current millennial herd has convinced themselves that they aren’t looking for relationships, heck their motto is YOLO and FOMO. Let’s fast forward a few years, and here are my predictions: 1. Marriage is dead, simply because the herd has no working knowledge of it any more. 2. Those 50 hour a week jobs aren’t so fun any more 3. Debt will be an ever growing part of their bills thanks to compound interest 4. Single moms will be even more prevalent even though it’s considered low class. 5. The cock carousel now runs until death, albeit slower and slower as they age. An entire vocabulary of feral cat titles will exist. 6. Hypergamy runs right into the brick wall it always was supposed to run into: zero acceptable men.

[–]Atolla226 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lots of millennials are actually stepping away from the debt culture. Sure, more are travelling hard in their youth, but millennials are less inclined to borrow money to buy stupid status crap. Pretty sure I read an article where the watch industry is facing a decline because young people aren't stupid enough to spend thousands on a watch for example.

[–]TheYekke7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Traveling hard = deficit spending. Those bills don’t pay themselves. Luxury became main stream with the boomers, now it’ll retreat again. Last time I wore a watch was in 2004. Phones became my watch since. Expect Zales to go broke sometime soon as well

[–]Atolla27 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not necessarily. I've had my current job (in Australia, well above average pay) for 8 months & they've flown me to Europe 4 times. Other millennials are travelling cheap so that a smaller income can cover them. Heck, I've got friends who do freelance online work to subsidise full time travel.

Sure, there are idiots who borrow loads to travel. But for each one of them, there are others who are intelligently incorporating travel into their lifestyles.

You're right about those luxury brands dying.

[–]hbdope3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Luxury brands aren't dying but they're adapting to the environment. Ever wonder why personal data is so important and why Google, Facebook, Amazon, and even Uber collect massive amounts of it?

One part is for Marketing. How do you think a clothing salesman (Amancio Ortega) is in Forbes billionaires list. He co-founded Zara. Bernard Arnault? He's with LVMH... Louis Vuitton, Dior, Couture, Bulgari. He's also in Forbes billionaires list.

Look at how apple pivoted to luxury and services. A fucking $1,000 phone that people will lease bro. That's how luxury brands have shifted because they've taken the psychology that people want to be seen as 'better' or more 'well off' than others and used that psychology to sell products. The watch is just being phased out but if a marketing campaign were to reignite it then we would see something different.

[–]Atolla2-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I also want to add that I was raised with a strong socioeconomic base, so what I'm saying might not be true for poorer/less educated millennials.

[–]TheRedPillMonkey5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is plausible for sure. However, in the world of mind changing and the fact that's mom's want better for their kids, I think moms who got kids post wall will always regret not getting married earlier and hopping on the beta bucks, and teaching their daughters to marry early. Don't make 'their mistake'

[–]TheYekke6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Too late. Divorce is the gift that keeps on giving. One, it scars the kid(s) . Two, girls mature faster once the dad is out of the picture (turd flinging monkey enlightened on this one). Three, even those unaffected directly learn the harsh reality, and learn to avoid getting burned. Beta bucks? Yeah, that was the world of yesterday. The hardworking high-earning man, yet clueless. You know, the guy that ceased to exist ca 2008. Women are the only ones that still hold on to the ‘myth of the rich man’, because it’s the herd’s wet dream.

[–]johngalt1234-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What may be a result also is that baby rabies set in at younger ages.

[–]francisco_DANKonia-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is probably the next phase. Then men will see how terrible marriage is and back away from it. Then who knows what.

I don't really see the terms of marriage getting better. It might be a religious resurgence or something to trick more men into marriage.

[–]Blueberry_Yum_Yum12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or the ever-popular "dog mom" bio entry you see on dating profiles. PUKE

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"....Strong independent cat person..."

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[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (1 child) | Copy

Please keep the lockdown for longer. This is so much better.

[–]HaoleBoyz75 points76 points  (2 children) | Copy

I have seen my sexual strategy mirror this. At the beginning (early 20s) I would push hard for a monogamous relationship. Either I came off as needy or something, so those never worked out. Now in my mid 20s, the exact opposite, dating multiple women, not settling for one, not being needy, and it seems like I am living in abundance now. The change of the paradigm has helped me immensely with feelings of not being good enough for some of these women. I see them Now and believe they are not good enough for me. Gotta evolve with the system or current environment, or perish.

[–]TheYekke50 points51 points  (1 child) | Copy

Part of your abundance is the same frequency the majority of men are on. The push by women to delay marriage is running smack daddy into men rejecting washed up/stalled out/walled out women to settle with. So there is no ‘leaving the SMP’ and the carousel continues to spin, with more and more participants. Your average looking 18-26 year old female (I’ll stick with average since statistically they are the largest single group) now has competition for dick all the way to menopause, and her older competition has more experience and is more desperate. So even though you don’t hit them up, the women you’re bedding feel the competition every time they hit a club. Buckle up, it’s about to get even better

[–]Me_ADC_Me_SMASH37 points38 points  (6 children) | Copy

Turns out no amount of sex has more value than a man's time.

[–]Galactic-Unicorn14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

Time is money, so any time you give to a woman is money. Treat your time as valuable or she won't respect you anyway.

[–]PS2Errol7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just use prostitutes. Much easier as you get exactly what you pay for.

[–]metallicdrama5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

This. Pussy doesn’t pay dividends no matter what. Your time can. Make Pussy a dividend. Not the investment.

[–]2Dmva10027 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy

Soon the AF/BB dual mating strategy will have the committment portion reaching a grey area of being obsolete, therefore destroying the dualistic strategy because...

If things proceed as Rollo highlighted in Dangerous Times, we will have something more like Alpha Fucks/MGTOW, or AF/Incel.

The concept of BB will be legislated into a sexless welfare state where if you aren't an Alpha Fuck, you are a working drone of capitalism who gets a sex bot or else you go to jail for gaming women. You can't be 'Beta Bux' if you don't get sex out of a transactional exchange in the first place.

The FI wants to cut out the beta side of AF/BB so it isn't even a consideration for hypergamy.

[–]KirklandCamber10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

What does capitalism have to do with being a working drone legislated into turning the cog for the social welfare wheel created by the government?

[–]2Dmva1001 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Motivation to buy shiny things (That they won't be able to afford until after several paychecks due to massive tax deductions).

[–]KirklandCamber0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You don't know what capitalism is. Just because you have the private means to earn, doesn't make a system capitalistic if the Government that allowed you to earn just takes 99% of it after.

[–]Momo_dollar6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perfect example of this some sloot has just made public her ‘horrendous’ date with Aziz Ansari.

Thankfully, most people are calling her out for the BS that it is, but few can actually analyse it for what it is. But reading her long ass interview she gives plenty of cues. Basically she meet him and approached him, thinking he was the “sweet (nice) guy” that he appeared to be in his comedy and tv shows. They exchanged messages he took her for a date, she was expecting a famous rich guy who would be sweet and gentle and woo her with investments and time before she gave him sex.

In reality his pump and dump game was strong, he saw her as just a sloot, she sucked him off twice ( the usual last minute resistance applied) he talked about fucking her ass which didn’t happen probably because after she’d already sucked him off his game just became “either she does it or she doesn’t but not gonna waste time with the back on forth” she left and regretted it and now jumping on the metoo bang wagon.

Truth is, she saw him as a beta provider.., but he acted/is just straight sexual. This is obvious by the things she mentions “he was completely different to the comedy persona he gives off” “we got back to his place and he poured me white wine, didn’t offer me a choice between white or red even thou I prefer red” “he behaved like an 18 year old frat boy” (basically not the passive Indian she thought ) “I sat in front of him and expected him to play with my hair or Massage my back, but he told me to turn around and asked me to suck his cock, I did because it was the last thing I was expecting” that last one makes me laugh.

[–]pgroups3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Can it work the other way though? For example sometimes I'll get with low SMV woman if I need their resources for a while. I know it sounds fucked up but hey they're getting great sex and bonding from someone they look up to like a god and I get a free apartment and car. Or is this just a result of the modern day feminism and sort of a fake facade that I need to stop doing?

[–]UncleWarwick4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Would a girl ever feel bad for using a beta for dinner?

Also, I did this, no regrets. She broke it off because she knew she wasn't going to get what she wanted out of me. I just enjoyed the ride.

I wouldn't rely on it though - I most certainly wouldn't look for that situation now. I took advantage of a good thing when I was going through a rough patch.

[–]pgroups0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, pretty much my situation. Makes more sense to me. Just so hard to wrap my head around this type of stuff at first. Thanks

[–]ThrowFader3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]TheReformist947 points8 points  (15 children) | Copy

Men are not the gatekeepers of commitment. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men ON AGGREGRATE are the gatekeepers of commitment, but you as an individual especially as a beta are not the gatekeeper of commitment. There nothing you can give as an individual in commitment (BB) that many men can't (eg many men can buy her drinks while she fucks one alpha).

Bargaining with commitment is pitting individual RMV against a females SMV. This commitment trope only holds if you are an alpha,even then it's debatable. You pit a man's SMV against a woman's SMV. ONnly if ALL MEN withdrew commitment,can a woman's powerful SMV be curved by an aggregate reduction in RMV.

Commitment is a BB trait, not an AF trait.

[–]i_forget_my_userids15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Missing the point with three paragraphs

[–]Lyxeka9 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy

Commitment isn't a trait, its an action. An alpha, bold in his actions may choose to commit. The act does not make him less alpha.

[–]TheReformist94-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

I don't know what the fuck you're on about.

[–]Lyxeka-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Read the fucking sidebar and get a clue.

[–]TheReformist94-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

You read the sidebar you cuck

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[–]Lyxeka-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Don't confuse yourself with big words. Nobody said the propensity to commit was alpha. The conscious choice to commit however, definitely is.

[–]ThrowFader-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

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[–]Lyxeka0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Your first question can be compared to asking whats the difference between a girl fucking just one guy and a girl fucking different guys all the time, and you calling them equal whores. There's a huge difference between a propensity to do something and a thought out decision.

The conscious choice to do anything is not beta, it is alpha. The beta thing to do is make a choice out of desperation or without thinking.

The alpha decides based on a girls merits, qualifying the girl, comparing pros and cons because he also has all his interests in mind.

The beta wants validation of his nonexistent manhood so he does anything he can to get the girl no matter her cons, sacrificing his own dignity and well being in the process.

I've been subscribed to the red pill for almost five years but that's besides the point.

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[–]Galactic-Unicorn5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You miss the point. Woman want to lock down alphas. Betas are paycheck fall back options.

They only desire commitment from an alpha. They take it from a beta if they fail to lock an alpha.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You might consider us the gatekeepers of resources.

[–]metallicdrama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Even then look at Socialist Europe. Women run Scandinavia while men largely become garbagemen.

[–]RedPill_Swinger2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The solution is remove child support not get back to a marriage-based system after they've tasted alpha cock

[–]fearl3ss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've been living in a "third-world country" for the last 3 years, and let me tell you, women have a completely different perspective.

Cooking, cleaning, sex when you want it - these are returns on your investment. Honestly, it's a level of subservience I'm still not used to, having been raised in the United States and having that be so different than how I was programmed.

Of course, the rich girls don't have this perspective and are just as Westernized as an American. Actually, they even more so have a chip on their shoulder and idealize western ideals and feminism.

If a woman is financially stable, the financial investment seems less and less important to them. This fucks with their heads, because they are also not turned on by young, dumb, hot guys. (A rich guy is perfectly fine fucking young, dumb, unsuccessful women. The reverse is not true.) Rich girls still want an alpha, older and more successful than them, but they also don't understand why they should submit to one. Rich girls are truly conflicted.



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