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What worldview does the maker of Star Wars movies want you to accept? -- Faith and tradition are disposable, You don’t really need to put in years of work to be competent, Men are inconsequential

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Title What worldview does the maker of Star Wars movies want you to accept? -- Faith and tradition are disposable, You don’t really need to put in years of work to be competent, Men are inconsequential
Author redpillschool
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Date 10 January 2018 03:22 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]EvilBananaManRD250 points251 points  (35 children) | Copy

Anakin spent 13 years training with the 3 best Jedi masters and still got defeated by a more experienced knight.

Luke spent over 4 years training with two different masters and still got his ass kicked by a more experienced knight.

Rey had no training at all and still kicked the main villain's ass and then Luke's ass with no effort.

Respecting the old sage? HELL NAW. Listening to his decades of experience and wisdom? HELL NAW LET'S PUSH HIM TO THE GROUND AND THREATEN HIM WITH A SABER. Reading the ancient texts written by the very first Jedi? HELL NAW LET'S BURN THE BOOKS.

[–]IdoNtEvEnWaTz187 points188 points  (4 children) | Copy

When she used Jedi mind trick on the prison guard in the first movie I knew it was over. She didn't even know the force existed at that point. Coming of age stories are supposed to be about hard work and perserverence paying off. Now they have a girl version where she just becomes powerful for no reason... Come to think of it, it is kinda realistic in expressing how women get quite a lot of power with absolutely no effort at all.

[–]EvilBananaManRD84 points85 points  (3 children) | Copy

Modern feminists push the narrative that girls deserve glory for being girls. Effort and discipline aren't rewarded; she's a girl, why would she work hard and long to get something?

Compare that to how men in TRP encourage other men to succeed. You will get that job / girl / money if you WORK your ass off and become more disciplined. You have to invest to obtain results.

[–]Troll_Name6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Modern feminists plus yesterday's feminists.

It's the participation trophy, on steroids.

[–]throwlaca5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

girls deserve glory for being girls.

Girls get maximum value at a young age, just because they were born girls.

It's natural of them to think in this way. But the thing is, this only applies to fucking.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana90 points91 points  (1 child) | Copy

Anakin spent 13 years training with the 3 best Jedi masters and still got defeated by a more experienced knight.

That's because Anakin didn't have the high ground.

Rey had no training at all and still kicked the main villain's ass and then Luke's ass with no effort.

In the Star Wars/Social Justice Wars universe, the woman ALWAYS has the high ground.

[–]hottake_toothache31 points32 points  (5 children) | Copy

Seriously, what happened to the movie convention that you need a training montage to level up? I suppose it wouldn't do here, because it would demonstrate that a man could teach something to a woman.

[–]treestripes9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

Neo got his powers when he suddenly started believing in them. TLJ is just another chosen one trope but with a woman.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (1 child) | Copy

Neo got his ass kicked a lot before then. And I recall he still had to die.

He didn't just wake up from the matrix and wreck shop.

[–]throwlaca32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

Neo used the brain-interface machines to get years of training in mere seconds. And he spend nights on that thing. Meaning he practically trained for hundreds of years.

[–]Ayrab4Trump10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

What are you talking about?

He starts from nothing. Then ...

6-9 hours of high-speed mental training

"I know Kung-fu!"

By the beginning of the second movie he was flying in The Matrix.

He did go thru a literal training montage.

[–]hottake_toothache8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Neo received training first, and then later took his powers to the next level. That is standard story telling: "The student has surpassed the teacher."

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think she took the books but yes she is the queen of Mary Sues

[–]MrInternetDetective25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yoda said there was nothing in the books she didnt already know. #MarySue

[–]ISaidThatOnPurpose10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

In one of the later scenes, the books can be seen in a drawer. it's a throw away scene, super easy to miss, but they're there.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is what I am saying. Even when people say that Luke and Anakin are mary Sues...

  • Anakin Is literally Jesus of that universe. Immense potential. Lost a hand.

  • Luke is the stereotypical chosen one. Born of prophesy... Still lost a hand.

If anyone should be a self inserted mary sue it's one of them, yet they still had to face defeat. Rey is no one with no training. Best Jedi ever to exist

[–]Troll_Name11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rey is no one with no training. Best Jedi ever to exist

That's what Mary Sue means.

[–]1OneRedYear11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rey had no training at all and still kicked the main villain's ass and then Luke's ass with no effort.

Errbody wanna be a jedi, nobody wanna lift no heavy ass rocks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1AjtX3C5j8

[–]jimbo_richie 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Why do men go see these piece of shit movies still? The original six are the only ones that should be watched. So glad I haven’t wasted any time/money on the new ones.

[–]Ayrab4Trump4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because we didn't know how bad it was until we saw it.

They knew people were invested in a trilogy. So the middle one they knooooww they can fuck up all they want.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, they (Rian "good beta" Johnson and Kathleen "ima fire the director I chose and hire another one and waste another 50 million re-filming half of every movie" Kennedy thought they made a good movie. And to them it was. It ticked all the PC Token Propaganda boxes, so therefore it is good.

Let these people have anymore power and there'll be political officers and secret police, like Communist Russia.

[–]throwlaca8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy

Rey had no training at all and still kicked the main villain's ass and then Luke's ass with no effort.

Kylo also wasn't trained. He lost to luke.

Also the main villan, the old baldy, Snoke, kicked Rey's ass with as much as moving a single finger.

[–]CosmicSpiral33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

Both of those instances relied on gaping character inconsistencies and incredible plot contrivances to even occur.

Somehow Snoke showcased a more commanding mastery of the Force than any user in the movie series (not even Palpatine or Yoda revealed such finesse) and possesses telepathy, yet can't discern Kylo is planning to kill him; he is also a pointless exposition plot device whose backstory is never revealed. Somehow Kylo is a trained Sith with the authority to go out on his own missions, yet can't see through a Force projection because he has abandonment issues and becomes impudent and whiny at the most convenient times.

[–]The-Devilz-Advocate9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kylo was trained. He started training when he was 23 years old, around the same time Luke did, after a couple of years he was corrupted by Snoke.

He lost to Luke because he wasn't a Jedi Master he was still a padawan in training as Anakin with Obi-Wan.

[–]Do-it-for-you12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

The comment purposely ignored why she was able to beat kylo, Kylo got shot my a crossbow blaster that can easily instant kill 3 people wearing full armour, kylo survived the shot and still fought her while badly injured against two people. He lost simply because he was at a very weak state.

If he wasn't hurt he would have been able to kill them both easily.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

First movie I'd agree.

Second movie kylo was 100% and almost died to guards. Rey saved him after taking out her guards.

So Rey is still superior to him even at full strength. She even woke up before him after the Saber blew up.

Rey cam kick kylos ass and that's a travesty.

[–]throwlaca-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Guard were pretty bad ass tbh.

BTW Rey is allowed to be bad-ass imho. She's not a princess living in luxury like leia or the rest of the bitches. She grew up alone in the desert. Likely raped innumerable times until she learned to defend herself.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look. I want at least one person to get this.

I have no issue with a badass Rey, or any badass female. Take Emily Blunt in Edge of Tomorrow. I fucking loooooove that character. I'm talking about emotional attachment to understanding how it must feel to watch the peopel you care about die over and over and over again and no matter what you do you can't save them. Tom Cruise went through it too and that only emphasized why her character was such a hard ass.

My issue with Rey is IT ISN'T EARNED . It's not even explained. She can be a badass. She could even be the most powerful force user that ever existed. So long as she earns it.

  • Have her fight Kylo and STRUGGLE . Have her barely survive and have to flee instead of beating him. Then show her train, or practice, or at least read a damn book .

  • Have her force powers manifest slowly. Preferably after she knows what is possible and what isn't. At least have someone be like "Hey, you know you can suggest something and someone will do it right?"

  • For christ sakes, at least make the bad guy a challenge for her. She bested Kylo twice now. TWICE . Imagine if in Empire Luke was a match for Vader? Where is the threat? Where is the challenge? Movie #2 Luke already beat Vader twice and Palpatine is dead. Why do we need a third movie? Just stab him while he is unconscious and call it a win.

Rey is a badly written character on no hero's journey. She started the game on level 100 with all skills unlocked. Nothing she can do was earned and even worse it isn't even explained.

I want her to be a badass, but I want to see her get there. It's like if the OT started and Luke was already wearing black and basically a jedi knight. Imagine that series. You wouldn't care for Luke, and this is why I don't care for rey. For crying out loud she beat Luke! Even without the force the dude should at least be able to defend himself. I'm not even asking for him to win. Just not get your ass kicked by an untrained girl and wind up on the floor like a child hoping she comes to her senses before she murders you.

This is why I dislike Rey and all these accusations of Sexism need to die.

[–]kagetsuki230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She still fighted the red guards better than him, and even saved his ass.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So what was kylo doing on Luke's training academy?

What was snoke doing with kylo and what was all that talk of training?

Explain that.

[–]nobody260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She took the books tho fam

[–]Originalitysux0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes but you're looking at this from a negative perspective ... This is just a subtle reminder that there is always someone better than you... You cannot escape that fact

[–]Aaronindhouse54 points55 points  (7 children) | Copy

They made many mistakes with the story

  1. No real training between Rey and Luke on screen(they filmed more, but didn't show it).
  2. Didn't kill Leia off when she was vacuumed into space
  3. Had Rose in the story and the whole hacking subplot(It would have been fine to leave it at they were making their way to that old rebel base to let escape pods get away)
  4. Never delve deeper into snoke's character
  5. Cheat the movie out of maybe what could have been the most impactful moment, finn's sacrifice, for some stupid sjw emotional bs with rose(who fucks over all the rebels in the base and doomed them all to death with that decision if luke had never showed up)
  6. Still don't give any reasons to care about Rey.
  7. Turned the rebellion a bit sjw. They are more self righteous now, whereas before they were simply right, didn't have to prove it to others or the audience.

[–]greeb66624 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy

And Rey is somehow no longer upset that Ben killed Han. Some friend.

[–]ISaidThatOnPurpose13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

hey wait, yeah, wtf??? why were they ready to casper-bang? she didn't even care about han anymore

[–]LittleLegionaire33 points34 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hypergamy my friend, Ben "Chad" Swolo is irresistible.

[–]ISaidThatOnPurpose11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

My name is plain-jane, you killed my father figure, pretty to bang.

[–]Ayrab4Trump5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

And Rey literally FedEx'ed herself to Ben as fast as possible after seeing him shirtless. AWALT

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Anyone find it odd that the rebel Army was like 75% female?

[–]Aaronindhouse12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are reasonable ways to explain it(remaining loved ones taking up the fight after their men have all died for the cause-no more men left), but they don’t(likely because it’s written by feminists who think it’s perfectly normal to have an army whose force is mostly women). A feminist writer would have to admit a defeat in their own ideology by providing an interesting or believable story behind a largely female army because it implies that there wouldn’t be one in the first place without extenuating circumstances.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is the perfect feminine plan: one without fighting, in which the security of the collective is ensured. And by contrast, we see that Poe’s plan was reckless and foolhardy—pointlessly risking his life, and the life of Rose (who herself serves no particular purpose except to meet the racial-diversity-body-positivity quota), on a gambit that ultimately failed. His masculine impulse to solve the problem through direct action blinded him to the greater feminine wisdom.

[–]RedpillAcolyte103 points104 points  (8 children) | Copy

It's been my personal observation that the majority of new-age Star Wars fans are female (or young, feminine, BP men), while nearly all of the male, die-hard, classic Star Wars fans I know absolutely hate the new movies because they "just don't feel right".

There was a wit and a charm to the original series, largely presented through symbolism and subliminal messaging, that is not only absent in the post-Disney films, but has been seemingly attacked, shot, and buried like a dangerous, pro-masculine, metaphorical old dog that is "simply unacceptable" in our current age of feminist politics.

Train for years, work hard, and humbly accept the wisdom of older, more experienced mentors? Nah, just "feel it" and figure it out on your own and watch your enemies fall before you. Take decisive action to maximize odds of success and survival? Nah, just trust in the golden intuition of the brilliant female mind and let the hot-headed, action-taking men around you make fools of themselves.

Of course it resonates with a public so addicted to instant gratification, emotional (as opposed to logical/strategic) plot victories, and cool CGI effects. Meanwhile the RP-Enlightened rot away on some hidden planet like the legendary Luke Skywalker, deeply aware of the near-extinction of their kind, and the futility of teaching a new generation of ignorant, brain-washed students.

A disgusting reminder of the political vicegrip stifling our entertainment industry. Great article

[–]swagile26 points27 points  (5 children) | Copy

I love the analogy of the "old hiding away in disgust".

Star Wars uses that a lot. When popular ideologies (the jedi, the Senate, the Republic) get destroyed, the greatest of men under it hide away in the worst conditions (the sand dunes, Yoda's hideout, etc). Same has happened to Luke; a pity, really. Maybe its a hidden sign of the remaining good writers in the series; a plea for help?

We'll never know, really.

[–]The-Devilz-Advocate28 points29 points  (3 children) | Copy

I mean, the actor who portrayed Luke dropped hints that the movie was gonna suck ideologically speaking in countless interviews before the release of the new movie.

[–]MrInternetDetective22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mark is a huge lefty, but I think even he recognized they werent making a “star wars” movie.

[–]swagile5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Got any links to those interviews? You got me interested.

[–]The-Devilz-Advocate15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]ThrowFader7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]yomo86[🍰] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't comment on movie posts but you are absolutely right. The original Star Wars had barely any grain of female imperative in it. It was a male fairy tale - for the young and the old. On playgrounds girls turned away when such nerdy topics such as Star Wars were discussed even when us jocks did it. The themes were mainly 'rebellion' for the classics and 'democracy' for the prequels garnished with fights and cabals.

Only after the BigBangTheory gave nerd-topics a 'cute' and socially acceptable glare Star Wars turned into this gynocentric monstrosity. Suddenly there were to few women on. Suddenly there was the need for a female jedi.

[–]Ayrab4Trump2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, just trust in the golden intuition of the brilliant female mind and let the hot-headed, action-taking men around you make fools of themselves.

A Sitcom.

  • Everybody Loves Raymond
  • Homer & Marge Simpson
  • King of Queens
  • Home Improvement

Want to get more female viewers? That's how you do it.

deeply aware of the near-extinction of their kind

Did you say "White Genocide"? Don't worry about it. It's not a big deal. Embrace it.

[–]S-Blaze35 points36 points  (12 children) | Copy

All the men are goofy, bad or short sighted. All the females are wise or badass. It really was garbage but we had a few laughs. Comedy was it's strong point but the star wars/jedi/wise/deep vibe is gone. Social programming. Zero excitement for the next movie.

[–]throwlaca19 points20 points  (10 children) | Copy

They killed all the old masculine men. Han-Solo was the epitome alpha male, he got killed. Luke? killed next. Though he was quite the beta.

[–]S-Blaze14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah no good hero/man/model to relate for the kids. Kylo is a darkside brat. Luke was wretched and then died. Poe ain't a jedi and fucked up. Finn is a goofy/beta character.

I wonder how they'll turn out the Han solo and the boba fett movies, wonder if they'll be full on beta shit too.

[–]TaylorWolf16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are clearly still interested in the occasional alpha male badass... look at Chris Pratts character in Jurassic World. If it works there it could still work in Star Wars.

Disney is just too terrified to upset even a single SJW blogger they completely neutered Star Wars

[–]kowbrandt8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a shame, I’ve loved Star Wars since I came out of the womb and I was so excited for the new movies but they had to fuck Star Wars of all things up with girl powah and related bullshit

[–]TaylorWolf1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I was really hoping Benicio would take over as a "new Han Solo" ...he could have saved the series singlehandedly

[–]Ayrab4Trump1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Except for the stutter, he completely stole all the scenes in Finn/Rose's sitcom.

He also had the best, most refreshing lines in the entire movie (which were alluded too by Kylo in fact).

[–]TaylorWolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I thought the stutter was awesome and made for the best acting performance out of anyone in the film

Also I don't remember Kyle mentioning him ever??

[–]ISaidThatOnPurpose0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

still hoping for this. Dude is a badass.

[–]TaylorWolf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hands down stole all the best scenes of Last Jedi

[–]1OneRedYear0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

is he? I couldn't understand a fucking thing he said.

[–]ISaidThatOnPurpose0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly I thought we were talking about Oscar Isaac. Benicio was a garbage character

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

Definitely. The franchise is going the way of all those comic book movies they pop out year after year.

[–]Ayrab4Trump4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

At least MCU is allowing us males to re-live our 13 yo 1990's selves.

At least MCU has great actors left and right.

At least MCU knooowws how to deliver comedy.

(But after Infinity War, I guess it's all over)

[–]caP1taL1sm0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

God I really can't put into words how deeply I hate those Marvel movies. Just to think of the millions of man-hours that people waste watching that garbage that could be put to use discovering the cure to cancer, exploring the galaxy, or something more useful to society.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

What the fuck has just happened to "no examples from fiction or lyrics"...

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

It would actually be interesting to see the female version of the heroes journey with female archetypes. But the creators are too poisoned by feminism to deal with fundamental truths.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

It was a shit movie even if not star wars.

  • The trope of people keeping secrets for no reason just to cause fake tension.

  • Black guy is a comic relief, but hey that's not racist.

  • Why is Finn cheering after he kills his old friends Who are also kidnapped and brainwashed orphans?

  • So child slavery is cool but fuck you of you like horse races.

  • How did the hacker find out about the plan to snitch?

  • So no one noticed that super close planet they were all next to until purple hair brought it up?

  • Shields. How do they work!?

  • So a kamikaze jump is a thing now? Why did the other ship captain choose to die like a bitch and not even try it?

  • Do these bad dudes have enough might to control a galaxy, but can't radio one star destroyer to jump ahead and sandwich the slow moving rebels?

  • How the fuck does rose know about secret experimental tech?

  • Finn. You're a janitor. How the fuck do you know about so many first order vessels and bases?

  • The moral that Poe was supposed to learn was to blindly follow orders... Empire much?

  • So no one saw Finn dragging rose across that wide open field? No one noticed?

  • So Poe can read minds? Luke didn't say shit about buying time.

  • Let's assume Leia secretly trained to be a Jedi master. So they can survive in space now? We really going there?

  • Force ghosts can now fuck up the real world. Why didn't Yoda or Obi help in any of Luke's fights?

And so much more.

[–]neomancr6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm pretty sure the message is that the cause can't fail as long as it inspires hope.

[–]rockstarsheep1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have only but question people these days, when they need turn to movies, which are figments of the imagination, and somehow derive a worldview which is held to be real. That is to say, what you find in the day to day grind or even over greater periods of time. It is indeed baffling that so much energy is being focused on Star Wars, as if it were some sort of religious doctrine. It's a space opera for crying out loud!

Disney, the maker of Star Wars, wants to make money. So, they're going to tap in to whatever they can - whatever whim that's currently going and suck the most profit out of it that they can. Does anyone actually think that this is a mystery. It's business.

[–]SlightlyCyborg1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ironically, the original films demonstrated the complete reverse as EvilBananaMan pointed out.

[–]marinscorp1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Star Wars wants you to accept the worldview that the whole movie series lost its edge as soon as Palpatine died.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Saw Episode VII when it came out. Literally the most BP propaganda filled film I have ever seen in my life. No possibility I will ever see Episode VIII.

[–]PowerVitamin5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the best week in redpill history.

[–]jay_says_695 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy

Yeah, ra! ra! down with feminism and all that, but seriously, this blog writer is the worst. Poe should have been shot for disobeying a direct order that caused an entire division to be wiped out. They lost all of their bombers. Then he conspired against his superior officers when he wasn't included in a plan.... yeah... that's called treason. And then he actively mutinied, again... should have been hung.

Poe's story wasnt about the "reckless masculine character heeding feminine wisdom" or some BS. It was, don't be a reckless ass-clown with people's lives. I could even see a discussion about some jack booted bs about "following orders when you are in the military." But not, "Wah!!! Feminism!!!" You didn't even see the movie dumbass.

Having a hero character have flaws is good story telling. Ultimately, Poe will become a leader (or the Leader) of the Rebellion. He is being groomed for that. He needs a fatal flaw. All of the Star Wars stories 3rd acts have that transformation of the hero into what they will become. It's the payoff for watching the other three stories. Luke was a farm boy from nowhere in the first of the OG trilogy. In the second he trains as a Jedi. And in the third he is the Jedi master. Anakin, the anti-hero, has the same journey. The new trilogy is the hero's journey but about 4 characters ( maybe 5) and their hero/anti-hero journeys. Rey the Jedi, Kylo the Sith Lord, Finn (don't even get me started... but I don't know), and Poe the Rebel Leader.

[–]CosmicSpiral20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

Poe should have been shot for disobeying a direct order that caused an entire division to be wiped out. They lost all of their bombers.

This in itself is gross insubordination that should be punished, but it has nothing to do with recklessness. The movie attempts to sway the viewer into believing it by having people repeat the claim, but Poe is actually making a coldblooded pragmatic gamble. Man-for-man and cost-for-cost destroying a dreadnaught is a worthwhile trade for a bomber fleet, especially when the latter is largely composed of patchwork ships purchased from the black market. It's not like the Resistance will ever be able to use them in a real fight considering how vastly outnumbered they are. The true BS is how Poe singlehandedly takes out all the AA cannons on the dreadnought's surface so the bombers could approach.

TLJ doesn't tackle the ethics of the subject because it is a sentimentalist epic, not a incisive look at guerilla warfare. Any honest approach would have to ponder the cost of inflicting Pyrrhic victories and "optimizing" losses, so to speak.

Then he conspired against his superior officers when he wasn't included in a plan.... yeah... that's called treason. And then he actively mutinied, again... should have been hung.

The plan that would've resulted in all of the remaining Resistance members being shot down like crippled lions in a safari venture. Not to get into minutia, but Holdo's decision relied on the FO being fundamentally incompetent (which raises the question, how did the FO take over a Republic-led galaxy in such a short period of time if they're this stupid?) as a military force. This is an extension of the groan-inducing writing: the entire plot of The Last Jedi functions on illogical coincidences and plot points that are never subsequently justified.

Not to mention Holdo herself showed a lack of leadership capability in the very first interaction with Poe, but this was framed as her being badass and Poe being a narcissistic twat.

[–]LittleLegionaire3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

This in itself is gross insubordination that should be punished, but it has nothing to do with recklessness. The movie attempts to sway the viewer into believing it by having people repeat the claim, but Poe is actually making a coldblooded pragmatic gamble. Man-for-man and cost-for-cost destroying a dreadnaught is a worthwhile trade for a bomber fleet, especially when the latter is largely composed of patchwork ships purchased from the black market. It's not like the Resistance will ever be able to use them in a real fight considering how vastly outnumbered they are. The true BS is how Poe singlehandedly takes out all the AA cannons on the dreadnought's surface so the bombers could approach. TLJ doesn't tackle the ethics of the subject because it is a sentimentalist epic, not a incisive look at guerilla warfare. Any honest approach would have to ponder the cost of inflicting Pyrrhic victories and "optimizing" losses, so to speak.

Agreed. Star Wars is a terrible portrayal of War.

The plan that would've resulted in all of the remaining Resistance members being shot down like crippled lions in a safari venture. Not to get into minutia, but Holdo's decision relied on the FO being fundamentally incompetent (which raises the question, how did the FO take over a Republic-led galaxy in such a short period of time if they're this stupid?) as a military force. This is an extension of the groan-inducing writing: the entire plot of The Last Jedi functions on illogical coincidences and plot points that are never subsequently justified. Not to mention Holdo herself showed a lack of leadership capability in the very first interaction with Poe, but this was framed as her being badass and Poe being a narcissistic twat.

Also Holdo never told anyone about the fucking plan - she just said "We'll go until the end" and only Leia really knew what was going on and that was after she woke up and probably talked to her. The resistance was only a few hundred members at that point, the remaining officers are on your bridge and you REFUSE to tell them the plan in the face of certain death? I'd mutiny in a microsecond, Poe is one of the better characters in the movie because he'll do what it takes to save the cause and their attempt to have his arc be character growth is an utter failure, I relate to him even more than before and I despise that direction. I saw the movie with my dad and the expression on his face was priceless everytime Holdo was onscreen; he being a submarine officer, I asked him about her later and he said he almost threw up at the arrogance and incompetence of that woman. Condescending and arrogant women with purple hair should never be in charge.

It's all just a massive and blatant attempt to pander to the female demographic - the consequence is that it's poorly executed.

As for the FO - I Think it's all a big misunderstanding that they control the galaxy. It's poorly established but the FO was built on the Outer Rim and they both pillaged it and received payment from corrupt members of the New Republic - which was also extremely demilitarized with only a small standing fleet to defend their core systems which was destroyed in TFA. Also, apparently Starkiller base was basically a giant bomb planet in the first place and was part way in construction anyway - regardless, they don't take enough time to explain the actual galactic situation and it's pretty unbelievable anyway. Bottom line, they are the most powerful military force in the galaxy with no one contesting them as they push into the core systems.

Bah whatever I should give up Star Wars, Even though Luke is my favorite character he is BETA AF and it's not going in a direction I or any self respecting man wants at this point.

[–]CosmicSpiral1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I saw the movie with my dad and the expression on his face was priceless everytime Holdo was onscreen; he being a submarine officer, I asked him about her later and he said he almost threw up at the arrogance and incompetence of that woman. Condescending and arrogant women with purple hair should never be in charge.

My friend had the grimace of despair every time she appeared. He was caught between laughter and tears.

As for the FO - I Think it's all a big misunderstanding that they control the galaxy. It's poorly established but the FO was built on the Outer Rim and they both pillaged it and received payment from corrupt members of the New Republic - which was also extremely demilitarized with only a small standing fleet to defend their core systems which was destroyed in TFA. Also, apparently Starkiller base was basically a giant bomb planet in the first place and was part way in construction anyway - regardless, they don't take enough time to explain the actual galactic situation and it's pretty unbelievable anyway. Bottom line, they are the most powerful military force in the galaxy with no one contesting them as they push into the core systems.

Allegedly this was explained in the books, but even after some cursory examination the logistics still make no goddamn sense. The First Order somehow refitted and upgraded their entire military force with the latest technology, while maintaining homogenous design principles across the board. The economic heft required to establish a manufacturing base that could produce this is...never explained. Just a bunch of convoluted bric-a-brac that raises more questions than answers. Meanwhile the Resistance has to scavenge low-tier tech from the black market when they should have a direct line to the Republic? So on and so on.

The silliest thing about the whole charade is the notion the Senate would dismiss concerns about the FO. Look how we still have primal disgust at the Nazis 70 years after the Third Reich; the idea of them rising to power is enough to be a potent rallying cry. But the writers are telling me the FO, the ideological heirs of the glorious and terrifying Empire, would be underestimated after only a few decades?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The reason the trilogy is horrid is because it ruins the OT. It shows that Tele galaxy is so shit that remnants if the empire could easily come back and take over.

What's the point of fighting? Some new asshole will just undo any victory in less than a generation. The entire OT was for nothing.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Allow me to chime in as a vet. I get that star wars =/= real life, but here is my view.

In real life you are obligated to disobey illegal orders, or orders that pretty much are suicide. Orders like loading up in an unarmored vehicle and waiting to be shot.

The one thing I agree with is that the crew sided with Poe. Think on this a moment.

Your numbers are tiny. It's not some huge organization where go know of someone but never actually spoke to them. Also, Poe is still a leader. Not just any leader, a trusted leader who you know he would risk his life for the cause. Sure he is hot headed, but you know he cares.

Then you have this other person who takes charge and refuses to tell anyone Her plan. Not just Poe, she told no one except for the coma ridden general.

You all have no escape and you know if someone doesnt pull out a hat trick you're all dead. One of your leaders asks what's the plan. This new person refuses to even say that she has one, let alone what it is. Even if she's worried about spies (she isn't) this is Poe fucking Dameron. He blew up the super weapon, killed countless First order pilots, and even if he cost you bombers and friends, he destroyed a dreadnaut. He ain't no spy. And despite his hot shot nature he still came to you as a leader and asked what you plan to do and how he can help make it happen

So when you're in the dark, scared out of your fucking mind, and sure this new idiot is gonna get you all killed, and Poe fucking Dameron says he has a plan. What do you do?

Do you blindly trust this new admiral who won't tell anyone shit. Or do you trust the guy who actually talks to you and shows you he's trying to save everyone?

In real life that whole crew would have killed purple hair while Leia slept.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

In real life you are obligated to disobey illegal orders, or orders that pretty much are suicide.

Vet here. Combat arms officer. The first thing is true - you are obligated to disobey illegal orders. The second thing is false. You are still legally required to carry out suicidal orders. Now, what happens and whether or not you are punished after you disobey a stupid suicidal order will depend on a lot of things, but there is absolutely no provision in the UCMJ that allows a military member to disregard an order he thinks is too dangerous.

I'm not commenting on anything else you said, but I just gotta correct that falsehood there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No one can order you to sit on a grenade. So forgive me for doubting your credentials, sir.

On second thought, it makes sense that an officer would beleive he has the right to order a man to suicide. You don't. And God help you if you tried to prosecute that.

[–]i_got_the_clearance5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the press, the producers and the director have been very open about their use of feminist politics. It's just a fact. But everyone appreciates different things when they watch movies - some like fight sequences or focus on CGI. You can ignore the political messaging.

I also think that if you are younger, you've been brought up on movies with feminist themes, and they don't stand out like they do to me. I am old enough to have seen the original Star Wars in the theaters. That movie was based on the universal "hero's journey", similar to the story of Jesus and the Buda. Luke starts from humble beginnings but then goes through a series of trials and symbolically dies to himself, but then is "reborn" as a Jedi to redeem the world.

The new movies are based on the feminist idea that women have special abilities (all heroines are Mary Sues) and men should cede authority to them. This has been the underlying theme of all Disney movies for the last 20 years, so, I can see why this wouldn't seem odd to you. It seems odd to me and I can't get past it.

Poe's story wasnt about the "reckless masculine character heeding feminine wisdom" or some BS.

I've thought a lot about this. It takes up a good chunk of the movie and there's been a lot of criticism because, what was the point? Here was the point: when women fail in a leadership role (Hodo), the cause is a male that isn't respecting her leadership (Poe). It's NEVER her fault (see Clinton, Hillary). It's meant to be an allegory for us menz.

[–]VegasSaint9 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah, I really don't think it's as riddled with feminism as people think. The first Star Wars literally has a farm boy from bum fuck nowhere flying the equivalent of an F-22 destroying the most advanced military technological advancement ever seen by believing in himself...guys c'mon. Now Luke fails over and over. Anakin fails over and over. If you pay attention Rey also fails over and over. Yeah she has strength when it's convenient for the plot, but who gives a fuck? It's a movie. How many more generic white dude equivalents of a Mary-Sue do we need? Let them have it. Kylo Ren is dope as shit. The Last Jedi is a perfect representation for this sub, you failed? So fucking what, own up to it and stop being a little bitch hiding away on your island. Sometimes the things you want to happen, won't and will subvert your expectations, and the way you respond will define you. Learn from your failures, and kill the past if you have to.

[–]LittleLegionaire5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I understand where you are coming from but I wanna pick apart your post anyway.

Yeah, I really don't think it's as riddled with feminism as people think. The first Star Wars literally has a farm boy from bum fuck nowhere flying the equivalent of an F-22 destroying the most advanced military technological advancement ever seen by believing in himself...guys c'mon.

The feminism in the movie isn't overt per say, it's just subtle and insufferable. Poe and Fin are net negatives to the plot - launching a (justified but not because movie) coup and attempting to help the fleet escape both end in disaster. Holdo, Rey and Leia are far more competent and don't really do anything wrong. Luke is a shell of his former self and has regressed so much it makes me want to throw up, and even though I like Kylo he is still apart of the cast of men whom are inferior to the inherently superior feminine characters. What did Poe do wrong? He didn't listen to Holdo, who acted like a fucking bitch, and it's because of his arrogance that he disobeyed rather than her incompetence in the face of disaster. Luke is a grumpy, incompetent man that wants to end the jedi - but don't worry, Rey who appeared out of nowhere and "knows nothing" is already jedi worthy according to Yoda. Anyway;

Onto your point, X-wings aren't F-22's. They're old and rugged and worn down in the movie, and the rebels launch a desperate suicidal attack exploiting a ridiculous weakness built into the system. Luke is noted as being a pilot beforehand, a pretty good one at that, but I'll agree there is a degree of unbelievably to him being able to take on Imperial aces and the whole thing is absurd, but suspension of disbelief bro. Atleast Luke is taught how to utilize the space magic to an extent - unlike Rey who can just do it because feminism.

Now Luke fails over and over. Anakin fails over and over. If you pay attention Rey also fails over and over. Yeah she has strength when it's convenient for the plot, but who gives a fuck? It's a movie.

What has Rey failed at? She beat up those thugs in the beginning of TFA just fine, escaped professional FO pilots being a first time pilot, saved Fin Han and Chewie on his own ship - She did get captured by Kylo though - of course until she resists him, uses a jedi mind trick to escape, and then bests Kylo (albeit wounded) in single combat. Then in TLJ, she gets Luke to tell her a little about the force, steals the Jedi books, admittedly fails to turn Kylo but still refuses to turn to the Darkside, and lastly saves the remaining Resistance.

Compared to Luke - who got beat up by Tusken Raiders, helplessly attacked in the mos Eisley Cantina, got strangled by a swamp monster - then captured and almost killed by a Wampa and almost succumbs to hypothermia - almost dies in a snow speeder, then constantly fails every trial and lesson Yoda puts in front of him before confronting Vader and having his hand sliced off, also failing in his mission to save Han from being taken to Jabba. Luke was not nearly as powerful as Rey because for the first two movies he had to rely constantly upon others to save him when he was in over his head - Rey just saves herself and I think it's lame. In RotJ luke isn't even perfect either - he does save Han in a messy plan, he is taken to the emperor by Vader and then bests him in combat but spares his life and chooses to let himself be killed by the emperor in a bid to redeem his father.

How many more generic white dude equivalents of a Mary-Sue do we need? Let them have it. Kylo Ren is dope as shit. The Last Jedi is a perfect representation for this sub, you failed? So fucking what, own up to it and stop being a little bitch hiding away on your island. Sometimes the things you want to happen, won't and will subvert your expectations, and the way you respond will define you. Learn from your failures, and kill the past if you have to.

It's not about her being female and not another white guy, it's about her accumulating power and accomplishment by just being there. Luke trained for 4 something years under 2 masters to become the Jedi in RotJ - Rey is already at that level in the span of a few days (maybe weeks) and I think it's insultingly lame. Kylo Ren is cool I agree, but "let the past die, kill it if you have to" is a terrible mantra to live by. The past has passed by, you can't kill it - you can only learn from it. His quote here is supposed to show how he is flawed, not how he is correct.

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I don't mind having womyn in prominent roles, but just make it more realistic. Have her struggle when fighting men and have her win through cunning or somehow by circumstance. Don't have her be able to push Kylo Ren away when they have sabers locked lol. She'd never overpower swolo, come on. Maybe have her use some judo, use the man's strength against him. As she stands now, she is an undeserving Mary Sue. Luke didn't go full jedi until episode 6, yet Rey is kicking sith ass in 7 and is basically a jedi by 8.

[–]VegasSaint9 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

You're conveniently leaving out the fact Kylo takes a heavy crossbow shot to the chest before that fight and is fighting at half strength the entire time.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Didn't she also show up Luke, who's an og jedi who had completed all of his training? I suppose you could pin that on him shutting out the force, but let's be real, Rey is a total Mary Sue. Even if kylo was wounded, he was a sith who was actively training, but he had already been learning the ways of the force for years, from Luke no less. He should have been able to force push her over the cliff or far away enough so that he could make his escape. Also the fact that chewy got him with the blaster was dumb because jedi and sith can just deflect those attacks. Has any other jedi actually been hit by one? Aside from when all the jedi were killed by being ambushed by like 10 people lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Rey knows how to repair the falcon. It makes sense. She's a junker. She helped install many new parts to it.

Luke flew a craft similar to the x wing. They make a point in stating that. In the movie, they doubt his skill and his friend had to vouch for him.

Both of those make sense. What does not make sense is Luke knowing how to fix the falcon despite never even being on it, or Rey knowing how to be an expert fighter pilot, despite no real experience. Not to mention she can do everything. Even Luke had limits.

[–]greeb6661 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

What? No it doesn't. Just because you pulled some parts off some car wrecks it does not mean you know how to rebuild an engine. You don't know how to check or set compression or how to program a fuel injection system for whatever setup you have. Rey made a series of major repairs almost from the instant she set foot on the Falcon. Luke had been working on functional equipment and learned piloting the hard way for years including maintaining droids.

Rey never flew anything, she was a homeless junker but somehow she knew how to fly a derelict cargo ship and apply instant critical repairs to it even though she'd never seen it before.

Rey knew how to swim and she was a homeless person on a waterless planet. It is beyond stupid.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You totally missed my point then. I know Rey is a Mary Sue.

What I was saying is that I can understand her knowing how to fix the Falcon the same way I understand Luke being able to fly an X-Wing. I can suspend my disbelief that much.

HOWEVER . I cannot justify her being able to pilot it better than Han Solo, or pilot it all all honestly.

My response was simply pointing out how Luke flying an X-Wing does in fact make sense.

Hmmm. It appears that the person I replied to deleted the comment. So no wonder you are confused. I'll give the breakdown

  • Someone posted that Rey being able to do everything on a master level was okay because Luke knowing how to fly an X-Wing was stupid and makes no sense.

  • I was pointing out that it does actually make sense since the movie specifically set up Luke as a good pilot on a ship that functioned similar to an X-Wing. They say this in the movie and he has a friend vouch for him because the rebels are skeptic about his skill (as they should be) .

  • My example was tossing Rey a bone by stating that I could buy her being a good engineer since she supposedly helped mod the Falcon. I can believe that. What I cannot believe is her being able to pilot it, pilot it well enough to best experienced Tie Fighter pilots, Pull off all those moves she did, and apparently be better at it all than Han Solo. ON TOP OF all the other crazy asinine shit she pulls from her ass and is a master at. She is the book definition of Mary Sue and the fact that professional writers on a major franchise is pulling fanfiction crap is saddening.

Hope you understand.

[–]greeb6661 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fair enough. Just me I have hated TFA and this Film I doubt I will see another Star wars. I didn't even mind the prequels that much until the high ground horseshit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I watched it Bootleg. After TFA I told myself I wasn't paying for this shit again unless I can confirm they stopped being stupid.

They didn't stop.

Probably won't even bootleg the next I'm so done.

[–]greeb6661 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't need to, it would just make me madder. I pretty much read spoilers up front these days, if the film sounds bad I won't bother. Been burned too many times over the years.

[–]NickRacicOfCarmelNY0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Ridiculous. The makers of fucking Star Wars are not ideology-driven feminist activists. They're businessmen who put a lot of work into figuring out what would bring in the biggest profit. In the case of Star Wars, that meant diversifying to broaden the franchise's popular appeal beyond it's aging hardcore dork base. Hell, I bet the person in charge of those decisions was some market demographic analyst who doesn't give a shit about Star Wars or feminism or TRP. I'm sure they make more money doing it their way than they would doing it your way, and that's their goal.

Personally I don't give a shit about the business decisions of Hollywood movie studios. I write, cast, produce, and direct my life, not them.

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[–]NickRacicOfCarmelNY6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hm. I stand corrected. So they are.

Still convinced profit was the deciding factor, still don't care.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's what's up. Admitting you were wrong and correcting you're outlook.

My man!

[–]Alpinaccio4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anything with the star wars brand turns a profit: unfortunately, the director's bias and ideology have creeped into his vision of star wars; a deconstruction of the previews movies, in pure neo-modern style.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

They're businessmen who put a lot of work into figuring out what would bring in the biggest profit.

Then they did a piss-poor job. Apparently even toy sales are down dramatically compared to previous movies, and it's been a complete flop in China, which is now one of the biggest movie markets.

If they wanted to make the most profit, they could just have licensed the follow-on novels (if Lucas didn't already sell those rights to them) and made those into movies. Instead, they tossed aside any attempt at real story-telling to make Soviet Feminist Realism movies.

In the case of Star Wars, that meant diversifying to broaden the franchise's popular appeal beyond it's aging hardcore dork base.

Yeah, that's what the comic companies said, too. You might want to ask them how well the 'diversity' market is working out.

Hint: it's not.

[–]blackedoutfast2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

who gives a fuck. it's just a dumb scifi movie for little kids and low T nerds who act like kids.

it has space ships and wookies and laser beams and you fucking nerds are arguing about the message it sends like it's some serious shit.

[–]JohnIan1011 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Because this becomes a tipping point of something larger.

Movies are the storytelling of the 20th and 21st centuries.

The tales told shape our world view.

How other nations viewed our films and wanted to replicate us; fashion, music and beyond.

You downplay how much influence cinema have on our lives.

And this one in particular is a cancer getting much attention - and reinforcement.

This should give you BlackedOutTast, some concern.

Because by taking such a poplular franchise and infecting it - they've gained another step in legitimacy.

Because through accumulation becomes 'some serious shit.'

[–]blackedoutfast0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

its a disney movie about muppets and robots and people in stupid costumes flying spaceships and getting into space battles. it's no more meaningful or relevant than "shrek" or "cars" or "harry potter" or any other movie intended for an audience of little kids, it's just that this particular kid movie franchise also has a rabid fanbase of immature, child-like adult nerds.

[–]Equalitythis4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Found the uneducated steam spouter. Look deeper

[–]CosmicSpiral2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

it's no more meaningful or relevant than "shrek" or "cars" or "harry potter" or any other movie intended for an audience of little kids

Believe it or not, people use the relationships and moral conflicts of Harry Potter as mental schema to filter reality. Why do you think the whole "Dumbledore's Army" meme proliferated all over social media during the Trump campaign? Too many milennials believed the good/evil dichotomy in a children's book series was an adequate reflection of real life. That's goddamn terrifying when you consider these same people also counted themselves as intellectually and morally superior to the supposedly insipid rednecks they were railing against.

Currently in the U.S., media culture is the primary means of molding and expressing personal identity and there are few forces to sufficiently counter it. While Star Wars lacks the sophistication and complexity of any classic novel or great movie, its themes are the lens through which a substantial chunk of the population sees the world. The same goes for your social media mediums, your online profiles, etc.

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I've been noticing this more lately - the degree to which our culture brainwashes its children and injects them with false moralities. Another big one is the current obsession with helping animals. This is because Disney has been anthropomorphizing animals in movies for children for decades.

Just look at the Lion King. Great movie, and it came out a long time ago so I really don't think it was an active attempt to brainwash kids like the stuff we see now, but it creates a false impression in the minds of lots of young people. They get the idea that these apex predators live in harmony with all of the life in their territory - that this is some balanced and inherently moral system. In reality red-pillers know that the animal world is inherently amoral. Organisms are driven by their desire to survive reproduce. They eat, fuck, and kill with impunity if it is in their interests to do so.

This doesn't mean that efforts to safeguard and preserve nature are bad, but a generation of kids raised on the church of the Lion King now have this quasi-religious attachment to nature. They can't view it objectively. They can't see that the preservation of the environment must be balanced against other needs, and that at the end of the day we are only saving the whales because it gives us pleasure to do so. They create charities that try to convince us that there is some massive problem of stray dogs and cats in America when the answer to that is "Who cares?" We have pounds. We have euthanasia. If strays are a nuisance put them down. I like dogs as much as the next guy, but how the fuck did adopting animals become a political movement?

I think you are going to see the politics just get crazier and crazier as time goes on. It's going to be this epic showdown of people who live in reality vs people who think the world is a Disney movie.

[–]JohnIan1010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The funny thing here, BlackedOutFast; I don't care much for "Star Wars". I'm a Treker. And have seen my franchise tainted with SJW crap - talked about as if the changes should be celebrated, made so much better.

This is occuring now in full force to SW. So I can relate to the witnessing the infection.

it's no more meaningful or relevant than "shrek" or "cars" or "harry potter"

You say that. But it inspired people and that is a powerful thing.

or any other movie intended for an audience of little kids

But that the thing, it isn't. Under that logic, John Carpenter's "The Thing" is has no more value than a board game.

just that this particular kid movie franchise also has a rabid fanbase of immature, child-like adult nerds.

Like footballs fans? Like basketball fans? Who play dress up, pretending to be the favorite player?

No.

This is deeper than a quick disregard.

[–]vudewNL 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

g point of something larger. Movies are the storytelling of the 20th and 21st centuries. The tales told shape our world view. How other nations viewed our fi

Because Plato even said it thousands of years ago..."If an man listens to the wrong type of music and loves the wrong type of art long enough. Eventually he will become the wrong type of man"

[–]canadianmooserancher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Time for the orville. Dump the corporate outreach shit that star wars isnt even trying hide anymore. They replaced writing, plot and characters with music cgi and cardboard cutout scenes they stole from previous movies.

Pile of huge disappointment, but we do it to oursleves. I firmly believe it. We will spend money on movies we know will be shit. hell, the entire horror genre is a complete write off and it's because we keep giving them our money for shitty products

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well entertainment is downstream of culture, as is politics. It's all connected.

[–]bigcitytruth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you. They're kids movies.

[–]gardenofbacchus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What is going on with this fucking sub? A bunch of proclaimed redpilled, alpha, ADULT men discussing subtleties and nuances messages in a fucking STAR WARS movie?

Here's the message loud and clear - the entire Star Wars franchise is literal propaganda utilising special effects and a pathetic blasphemy of the original story of Christ to manipulate the way you think. Why are you even surprised they've jumped on the latest bandwagon of male subversion and worship of the female? This is what this bought-and-paid-for garbage is made for - manipulating and influencing the way you think about the world and your existence, and it's working, even on grown ass men who are still so dumbfounded and slack jawed by computer graphics and huge production value that theyll pay to sit in a cinema and watch blatant propaganda that laughs at them, mocks them and degrades them . It's STAR WARS you fucking nerds, it's about aliens, spaceships and the sad anti human garbage people like Lucas and Hollywood all worship

This shit is not redpill, see it for the visuals, whatever, but realise it's absolute mind numbing trash in every other conceivable aspect

[–]LosBuratnos-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry this is laughable. Female protagonist has been in the script made up by George Lucas years ago, when the first trilogy came out. Johnson just reused the material and gave it his own view. Yes, the movie is weak, but seeing feminist conspiracy everywhere is ridiculous.



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