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Men and Suicide | 7 in 10 suicides are men (majority white) between the ages of 45 and 65. As expected from gynocentric media, the primary reason always cited is men’s so called stubbornness in seeking out psychiatric help...again absolving women’s influence of any complicity

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Title Men and Suicide | 7 in 10 suicides are men (majority white) between the ages of 45 and 65. As expected from gynocentric media, the primary reason always cited is men’s so called stubbornness in seeking out psychiatric help...again absolving women’s influence of any complicity
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Date 10 January 2018 03:29 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]2Dmva100152 points153 points  (45 children) | Copy

Don't forget to mention that the blame thrown around by the media about 'not seeking psychiatric help' is primarily a push to further consumerism in the healthcare industry by referring men to specialists so they can write useless prescriptions to stroke the scrotum of Big Pharma and create green blow-loadage for execs and $hareholders.

[–][deleted] 78 points79 points  (34 children) | Copy

I was shocked when I found out how many young dudes from my grad school are on Zoloft/Luvox and are regularly visiting female psychiatrists. And what's the most frightening is how much are they encouraged by people around them to do so. I'm listening to their conversations and I feel like I'm about to explode and yell "what the fuck is wrong with you people, stop pushing that poor dude deeper and deeper into the abyss."

I have no idea what are their life circumstances, but what they all have in common is lack of friends and lack of success with girls. All of these problems come from years of BP indoctrination. They're struggling through life because they're constantly being misinformed by everyone. The only thing that can cure them is swallowing the red pill and complete change of mindset. Fuck female psychiatrists and anti-depressants.

[–]red_matrix[🍰] 46 points47 points  (1 child) | Copy

> All of these problems come from years of BP indoctrination.

This is what happens when an entire generation is raised by women, gets all their advice and help from women, and are forced to live the most unnatural life possibly.

Live naturally. Period.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

well this is also due to men, not securing family & eventually leaving the family.

People end up being rised by a mother = they are grown up more feminine.

E.g. if a mother is left with a daughter, then obviously the daughter will have some sort of negative opinion on men e.g. they are cheaters, they will use u, abandon you etc.. Also they might develop anxiety of being dumped like their mother..

it obviously depends on the terms of breakup. some men are good with it and provide good financial stability/communication and are understanding. however majority are not.

not spreading BP, but this is an important factor, as due to partying, alcohol and drugs, and also sexual life being so popular, there are higher chances of unwanted pregnancy in last few decades..

[–]openWh1te29 points30 points  (1 child) | Copy

I haven't met a single psychiatrist that didn't make me feel like they were playing me in some kind of game. They were all male.

This doesn't pertain only to Female psychiatrists. Once I tried to get help, and the Male psychiatrist misdiagnosed me within 15 minutes of meeting me. The pills he gave me fucked my head over slowly in the coming months. It was a disaster.

Gender need not apply here. Most Psychiatrists, from my experience, are middle men between you and the big pharma.

I don't care what gender you are, eventually you got to take care of yourself by becoming independent. Exercise, eat healthy, go out and talk with people, and say "no, thank you" to the pills these middle men, "doctors", subscribe.

[–]youkickmyd0g4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've gone for therapy-first approaches, nobody's pushed drugs (they've suggested and I've tried). Psychologists can't prescribe, psychiatrists can... in case you weren't aware, you can choose the former for clinical work.

[–]Hugh_Munghous21 points22 points  (8 children) | Copy

In my experience you should run, not walk, away from SSRIs and benzodiazepines. Most of them literally say on the bottle that they increase the risk of suicide. There’s also a reason why so many mass shooters turn out to be on them. Of course it’s rarely discussed in the media.

Source: Took medications for obsessive compulsive disorder (typically the same kind of meds used for treating depression). Hell on earth. Definitely a situation where the cure is worse than the disease. You’d be better off seeking non-pharmaceutical treatments such as CBT.

[–]-firemelon-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

ssris cause Extrapyramidal symptoms. These symptoms include parkinsonism (characteristic symptoms such as rigidity),dystonia (continuous spasms and muscle contractions), akathisia (motor restlessness), , bradykinesia (slowness of movement), tremor, and tardive dyskinesia (irregular, jerky movements).

Akathisis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x86aCDtvbT0&t=10s

ssris double risk suicide and violence in people even without any mental distress. http://www.bmj.com/content/355/bmj.i5504

Dominate 50% the top 10 drugs linked to violence http://healthland.time.com/2011/01/07/top-ten-legal-drugs-linked-to-violence/

cocaine is an sndri

Investigation found the companies behind ssris hid increased suicides that occurred in their clinical trials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBJfZtB_3cc&t=100s

Pharmaceutical companies used to get away with a lot now the regulations got stricter look what happened:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/27/prozac-next-psychiatric-wonder-drug-research-medicine-mental-illness

[–]youkickmyd0g1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I acted out in weird ways when I was on medications, (edit, adding: just like 6-8mo total). Occams razor says that's it, but I'm left with the feeling and obviously people remember the episodes and I feel it continues to affect their perception of me (eg. I think they still see me as a prescription drug user). I've not done anything weird since, but it's a really vacating feeling to think about. No love for pills, plant based with occasional dairy and IF and workout, I'm gooooood now

[–]Hugh_Munghous1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I had a couple of strange episodes myself. There are a few people who witnessed what happened, but I guess fortunately they're not particularly integral to my life now. Been off meds for almost 4 years now. There are a whole bunch of reasons I oppose prescription drug use for psychoactive drugs (the point where I began to doubt the advice I was given was when my doctor started recommending I take an anti-schizophrenia drug for my OCD—that one that a short while later got dragged into a class action suit for giving gyno to male users).

Modern doctors not only do not understand how or why mental disorders happen, they don't understand very well how or why prescriptions treats them either. (For example, the only reason we know depression medications sometimes help OCD is by accident. No doctor can give you a definitive account of how OCD happens or how medications might treat it aside from some vague account of "serotonin imbalances.") I told the doctor I mentioned above that some day in the future people would view these treatments the way we view the grotesque, ineffective therapies of the past, but he didn't seem to find my statement convincing. It was at that point that I stopped taking medication or getting therapy and just decided to tough it out, which has actually worked quite a bit better.

[–]youkickmyd0g1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good analogy, and good response to that course of treatment. Hang in there. Mo pushups mo potatoes

[–]lavender_lilac_life 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Honestly a lot of what's taught in CBT and DBT therapy aligns so much with red pill theory, red pill theory is basically dialectical behavioral theory for poor people who don't have access to that education tbh.

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're still plugged in if you want to throw around words like misogynistic.

[–]lavender_lilac_life 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

What makes you say that?

Misogynistic: Prejudiced against women.

I would argue that prejudice against women often wins out over logic and reason on this board. Good arguments are usually less popular than ones based in anger and resentment towards women.

[–]1empatheticapathetic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's your perception.

You're plugged in if you want to say we are prejudiced against women instead of simply calling women out to an objective standard.

If all you perceive is prejudice then that's your issue and an indicator you're still plugged in.

[–]EdAnt10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

I would never have a female doctor. I realized about halfway through college, also, that my grades were always better when the professor was a man. I immediately started dropping any class that had a female professor.

[–]The_Noble_Lie1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I appreciate your honesty. Women are not as good leaders of a classroom, is that in the ball park?

[–]EdAnt2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No I don't think so. I have an English degree, so really all of the papers are more about your ability to creatively agree with the professor. (except for the grammar classes where you're just analyzing and regurgitating facts. Professors could be female there and I did just fine.) Male teachers just understood me better, and graded me accordingly. Women were always pushing a different agenda that I never seemed to align with. Go figure, right?

[–]The_Noble_Lie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hah. Ok that is pretty easy to agree with based on my experience in college.

My favorite English teacher (albeit in an engineering college) was a red pilled gay professor. Go figure?

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy

Yes. Any guy thinking about paying 200-400$ an hr to a therapist or psychiatrist or whatever the fuck to deal with their stress and depression should spend that money on any number of things more likely to help you manage stress and depression.

Pay an elite pro coach the same rate to work your lazy ass to the bone for 60 minutes. Pay 200 bucks to get the omakase of your life prepared by a chef that has studied the art of sushi for 60 years. Get yourself a nice massage. Get yourself a nice massage followed by a high quality HJ / BJ / sex. That'll be cheaper than the therapy and cheaper than the drugs, and it'll drain your problems away more reliably.

You want to throw money at people to solve problems that stem from you being too mentally weak to deal with your life? Fine, throw that money at people who will actually do something for you. An escort will listen to your stupid stories and problems, and then tongue your balls for the remainder of the time - that's going to bust more stress than talking for an hour with a woman was a degree in helping people hamster their problems.

[–]Hjalmbere16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Disagree. I saw a CBT therapist five times after my divorce. Lots of stuff going on with the ex and my parents. The therapist was recommended by a friend. I needed help with controlling my temper at work, and she helped me by making me realize which situations increased stress, and how to avvoid them before they escalated.

I have since then also realized that I was drinking waaaaay to much coffee (10-12 cups a day) and cutting down to three cups made a world of difference. But the therapist’s advice helped even before I made this seemingly obvious conclusion. I now have almost godlike patience.

That said I have a friend who tried CBT and it didn’t do much for him. Maybe it depends on your mindset. My take is that if you have a behavior you want to modify, CBT works, but if you just want to have a shoulder to cry on, it’s a waste of time and money. Same with an escort, if you’re not horny but just need company, you’re better off shooting the breeze with a buddy.

[–]acetylcysteine9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

12 cups a day? christ i could've told you that would lead to mental instability.

[–]chronogumbo4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Uh, you literally just told people who are depressed to go indulge themselves in temporary things. That is not how depression and mental illness works. A lot of it, for sure, is having the will power everyday to not go to McDonald's, but a lot of it is working through past traumas.

You do that by thinking about it and creating a new mind set. Sushi isn't going to make me not angry at the past traumas I faced. thinking about it a lot, writing down my thoughts, and using that anger to be productive certainly will, though.

[–]Ass-a-holic3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I struggled with some serious mental/social issues (rage, severe anxiety, social withdrawal) for a while but started seeing an escort on average once a month for 200 dollars and those issues have either totally disappeared or are so minimal that just taking some deep breaths calms me.

My mood is so much more stable and cheerful since I started my "whore therapy" lol

[–]PeggedByOwlette2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You know what will fix a man like that? 500mg a week of testosterone for 20 weeks then 150 a week for the rest of the year.

I'm serious, men all over are suffering from low t and the feminine imperative gets to set the reference range of what's "normal". You can go to an endocrinologist and test at 300 total test and have them tell you that's normal. It's not. And they won't prescribe a hormone our body makes normally. They give estrogen out to woman like it's candy but because androgen = man then testosterone = weapons grade plutonium.

There is nothing more masculine then anabolic steroids! It's a male only space they can't invade. Any woman who venturs to far in is destroyed forever and looks masculine. They can't have it so they won't let us have it.

Take the juice, I can't up sell it enough. The horror that woman show when you talk about aas with confidence is proof enough how they feel about it.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was shocked when I found out how many young dudes from my grad school are on Zoloft/Luvox and are regularly visiting female psychiatrists

Men have been paying women to receive validation for a long time. This new form just spreads the profit around without anyone getting sticky in their panties.

[–]tempslav1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm kinda conflicted on the whole psychiatry thing. A couple of years ago I saw a clinical Psychologist because I felt I had issues with social anxiety. He agreed, stated it was "odd" that I could recognise my fear as irrational yet still not address it, and walked me through it step by step by explaining the issue and getting me to walk increasingly further out of my comfort zone. Only took a few sessions, I saw what the drill was and just took it into my own hands - the issue was dealt with, and I genuinely want that sort of help to be available to anyone who needs it.

On the other hand, I know people that have been in and out of therapy for years that still can't make a phone call because it terrifies them.

Agreed on the depression part though - had it all my life, and it feels like indoctrination, news and social media all only serve to exacerbate it whilst lifting and learning... I wouldn't say get rid of it, but I'd say stymie the effects, which really is all you can do in the long run imo.

[–]chronogumbo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Psychology != Psychiatry. You saw a psychologist, or therapist, who only knows how experiences affects you. A psychiatrist knows how chemicals affect your mental state.

What it sounds like is you're a pretty smart fellow and you picked up the pattern pretty quickly. Some people are really bad at that and require constant affirmation that they are doing the right thing. The goal of therapy is to get you to do the things you should be doing without people telling you or explaining why. I'm glad you started to feel better.

[–]youkickmyd0g1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I go to a therapy group" ... maybe "doctor-patient confidentiality, thanks."

I always got the picture of tightening a bolt when I thought of therapy, indeed it's keeping the BP wheels on a lot of the time. I've gone. Talked about girls, oh yes. I'm sure there are RP therapists who'd actually help, if you screened. Complex trauma, etc, could use an ear.

[–]sd4c14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, it's intended to make them feel even worse. The fact that half of domestic violence is initiated by female partners, but less than 0.01% of shelters for victims, accept men (even men with children)...

...is nothing less than a callous and vulgar display of women's desire to literally thin the herd. To exterminate as many men as possible. Based on the sick rationale, that if it works, the victim deserved it.

That's the rationale of an unfettered sociopath, the rules of a carnivorous predatory reptile. Fundamentalist Islamic culture does go too far with violence... but on women, goes not far enough.

[–]PabloAsscrowbar6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's because domestic abuse initiated by women are mostly non-physical. They resort to emotional and mental abuse. They will harass you and then resort to sociopathic mind games to make you feel that you have no one else to turn to. When all else fails, she will manipulate your best buds with sob stories about how you are the horrible person.

[–]sd4c1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sound like you speak from direct experience

[–]manonthemoon146 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Media is pure evil smh. As a mental health professional, I try my best to never ever refer them to drugs/psychiatrist, unless it’s necessary to treat symptoms like schizophrenia, etc. Psychotherapy on the other hand is very effective. Lately in my city there’s been a big push to stay away from big pharma. A lot of the times it’s doctors with no mental health experience that usually refer to meds. And well the Media is not helping. Unfortunately there is a lot of old school psychiatrist and mental health therapist that are not good at all, and always prescribe to drugs smh

[–]metallicdrama6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

And to deflect blame on the system itself. There’s nothing wrong with society. It’s these men who can’t accept the warm fuzzy dick in their ass with a smile. They’re the bad guy. Society is perfect is the ultimate message from the court jesters.

[–]destraht4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe the Scientologists are onto something here.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh of course, hail Xenu. Thanks for that laugh, needed it today.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Mental health" is the scapegoat for pretty much all social ailments in the 21st century.

[–]pawoukcz103 points104 points  (20 children) | Copy

reason is simple because if you are not relatively good looking and wealthy at that age you are done

you are simply just a garbage for a society and nobody gives a fuck if you die tommorow because you have no value.

I know this sounds horrible but this is how society works today.

Simply nobody gives a fuck if you are old broke man these days.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker38 points39 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes - if you are young and broke and ugly, you have your dreams, you have your potential, and society treats you with this "will he or won't he" kind of curiousity because maybe you'll be the man one day, maybe you'll step up!

When you hit that age where you just know in your bones that whatever you were going to be is behind you... that's when it all crumbles down. You have no value, no future, you are a worthless product in a market that you're old enough to understand. Smart enough to realize how meaningless all of our societal layers of caring and love and brotherhood and such are - smart enough to realize that your position on the sexual and social pyramids mean everything. And self-aware enough to realize you're on the bottom permanently now, with no great hope or dream of climbing.

Shit, if I was an average 50 year old beta and I lost my main source of identity (being a family man and husband and father), I'd probably blow my brains out too.

This is why I urge young guys to not waste their time. You either build something of value now and do something that makes you a top %er in some capacity that has meaning to you... or in 20-30 years, you'll probably just want to kill yourself.

[–]Ass-a-holic5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It may sound faggy but this is why having internal acceptance and love for yourself is so vital and it's important to establish early on in life. I look myself in the mirror everyday before I start my day and tell myself : "I love you, you are awesome, and I will always be on your side"

I try to treat myself like I would a loved one

[–]oZeplikeo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or raise kids?

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat32 points33 points  (13 children) | Copy

I agree.

Women tend to socialise and form networks, so when they are old and living alone they are still not entirely alone, and they can be supported financially by things they have appropriated along the way via divorce.

Whereas for old men... the future is bleak.

So some just say fuck it.

[–]FrancoImperator12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy

I am a Med School student from a foreign country and I second that proposition. Most of my fellow classmates, in group of 34 students, are women. There are ONLY 9 males.

Now consider that out of all the males, only myself, a gay dude, and another one are among the top 15%. Among the remaining students, 8 were among the the top 15%. All of them women.

What I kept noticing is that women form very quickly strong bonds, and sometimes they are efficient when it comes to work programs, however they seem to move in "packs", and act as one, literally.

I hardly got along very well with any other men, mostly because I was afraid their weak academic performance might affect my grades. And at the end of the semester I turned out to be right. They did get very bad grades. And last year I had a breakdown with another dude I once considered a friend, it was so bad we never speak to each other. So I have nearly lost all hope of having really close friends with whom I might identify.

However, it was very hard for me to get particularly close to anybody. In fact in most of teams I had to deal with women only. They are so darn hard to reach, and very difficult to deal with for they are most of the time very emotional, which I find extremely unnerving. So the attitude I took was: I will do my job, and I will do it as well as I can. I do confess that I have gotten pretty close to some of my fellow classmates, the women in my teams of course and perhaps the other dude (not the gay one; the gay one was however very aggressive towards me) , but I just can't talk to them about some stuff that is important to me (like fitness, meditation, and dieting), because they are simply not interested, and they in fact indulge in some other activities I just don't do (like going out, drinking, dating, etc...)

I try to compensate it with other hobbies and stuff that I have trying to do for years now. I try to keep my mind as busy as possible.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

I feel you are similar to me.

I also find it hard to get along with other men....they always seem to be trying to compete, or just bullshitting. I'm interested in talking to people, but not interested in swapping lies or having a pissing contest...my feeling is, if you're not going to tell me how you really feel or what's really happening in your life, why are we bothering to talk at all? And I don't feel the need to measure myself against other men.

As a young aussie in the 60's and 70's it seemed the other guys were interested mostly in cars, women, beer and sports...few were interested in the things that interested me (math, computers, fractals, ai, simulations... ) so after a while i just learned not to bother trying to find a kindred spirit and just went my own way...and it became a lifelong habit. Now I find myself in my 50's without a single male friend...and it's ok.

I'm married and I have two great children and that seems enough.

I do have brothers and sisters my age who never got married and have no kids or partner and while my sister is doing ok (given the family home by our mother plus any money she had when she passed on, and has a friends and relatives network) my brothers seem a bit lonely.

Your post seems to confirm what I thought; women can make friends at any age and do but as men get older it's increasingly difficult for many to make friends...so if you're going to do it, best to do it when you're young.

I like the sound of your activities -- fitness I did for a decade, meditation I am thinking about trying, dieting I never did - they all take willpower or self-control.

It can be very hard to go through life totally alone though.... (I was single from about 28 to 44...I didn't even date....) you come out the other side stronger if you make it ....but not everyone makes it.

Anyway thanks for your post I found it interesting.

[–]jewishsupremacist882 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

mate..if you haven't gone for a hoon in a holden maybe you're wee bit of a fag, eh? crikey!

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Stone the crows mate don't come the raw prawn ya cheeky bludger!

[–]jewishsupremacist880 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

im trying to impersonate my kiwi friends. those bogans lol

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

i know... I was just playing along ..... ;-P

[–]FrancoImperator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

On the contrary thank you.

I can withstand other men's talking subjects. But, as I mentioned, it is extremely hard to find many other men involved in my activities. It is old women I usually find at cooking and meditation classes.

Well, you know, what I have done has brought me to this moment. It is up to me to do my best of my current situation. What I noticed is that men, at least the ones I have met so far, lack self-discipline and self-sacrifice (They aren't willing to invest themselves really hard on sports or school homework; they prefer getting drunk and partying); so I intend to strengthen my soul and my body as much as possible, which is a reason I am involved in mediation and fitness.

As you mentioned, I have to do most of this stuff by myself, there is no one to guide me. But what keeps me going is what lies ahead.

[–]1OneRedYear0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I find that I find it easier to make friends with men who are older than me. Generally at every job I chat up and talk life with one of the older guys who is NOT in management. They know the lay of the land and what traps to avoid. Plus I'm not a punk kid any more so we can share war stories of our youth. Sadly I'm getting to the age where those men are retiring and I'm becoming the older guy. The younger guys really don't have much to talk about and rarely approach me.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

As an older guy myself I can relate to this.

[–]obalisk974 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don’t have time to socialize when you’re always working.

[–]MRPFuckMe13 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

That’s basically my retirement plan.

[–]throwlaca3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

if you are not relatively good looking and wealthy at that age you are done

What? it's not the best age, but maybe the second best.

Try being a 50 yo women...then you are REALLY done.

[–]Elatea68 points69 points  (9 children) | Copy

I always thought that blaming high male suicide on men, because they dont seek psychiatric help was bullshit. Seems like real issues are just being ignored. The culture we live in is poisoning to men.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours24 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'll give my two cents.

I have PTSD and dysthymia, have had them since I was a kid due to familial abuse. Also a diagnosed sociopath, so it's lots of fun in my head. 40 years with PTSD now. I was suicidal for decades, trying to fit the rage I had inside me into the mold of society. You can't act that way, you have to control it, being aggressive is weak, you need to do for others to show a strong man... all bullshit.

A few years back I embraced who and what I am, remaining mindful of the various ways I am different and making the conscious choice not to let the sociopath in me run wild. I am unapologetically me, if you're offended or don't like it, I simply give no fucks. I'll say whatever the fuck I want, and have zero regard for political correctness to the point of mocking it when it's suggested.

Rather than try to subdue the hypervigilance and other aspects of PTSD, I use them and knowing I can and will act with overwhelming violence if provoked allows me to be calm in public. I let the cave man out to play rather than trying to hide him from the public.

I realized years ago I do not fit in society, so I stopped trying and simply follow my nature. The shrinks I get from the VA try to get me to conform, tell me to show vulnerability, and advise me of how they think I can fit in. It is the most useless thing I have ever tried, all it does is make shit worse.

The worst thing for me is being helpless, having others decide for me what I can and can't do, holding me back from the goals and achievements I set for myself. Being forced to rely on others and having to fit in with them to get what I want. Fuck that. Having the state garnish most of my income and give it to a cheating whore who lies about everything had me on the verge of eating a .45 for 15 years. When the second wife made shit up about me and had me thrown in jail, I took it I stride, it was only 15 days and I didn't have to keep the fire going, it was a vacation with shorty food, much better then a deployment to be honest. The first one cost me a quarter million, most of what I earned in 18 years. The second one was only 15 days and less than $5k to get her out of my life, so she was a bargain.

I'm happier now, being me, not attached, but able to fuck girls half my age at will and not beholden to anyone. Give any man that freedom and I'll bet most of his suicidal thoughts vanish. It's when we are stuck between the impossible and the worst thing we can imagine, that's when we off ourselves. Until the shrinks get that, men and especially we veterans are going to be ending it in droves.

[–]destraht12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also a diagnosed sociopath

Meh. The system is so cucked that I'd need to see you murder puppies just for the fun of it before that would mean anything to me. Notice how liberals like to invalidate people when they don't conform to the orthodoxy. I once was unofficially diagnosed as "part sociopath" (whatever the fuck that means) by an distant ex-GFs (fucking Jewish) nearly doctorate mother because I stopped revering all of her fake problems and instead started sneering at them and even finding them humorous. They both couldn't compute how a normal person could find her end-of-the-world fake problems to be enjoyable at her expense and so they went to the sociopath dianosis. In the beginning when she had me doing laps around her like a top qualifying beta boy and that was great for them but then once I broke free - WHAM - down came the diagnosis hammer. Additionally my thrice divorced mother loves to go straight to everyone being mentally ill when they oppose her. Guess where she really tried to get me to go with her? Yep, to be labeled, tagged and drugged. No thanks, I'll take a trip several times around the world for $500 Alex.

Embrace Oppose Xenu and your diagnosis and problems will melt away like the fat off of a perfect slice of bacon on the George Foreman grill. Or as the late Livia Soprano once said "But that’s crazy. That’s all nonsense. That’s nothin’ but a racket for the Jews."

[edit] Xenu is bad guy.

[–]openWh1te1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn man.

I'm glad you found your way. Being open to one's own nature is crucial. Once I accepted myself for who I am, things got a lot easier.

Abuse in the family, sexual, emotional, physical all have major implications on the minds of children. Sad that most of it is cyclical. My Mother emotionally abused me when I was at my weakest (post rape). It sucked. But I know she's just doing what her Mother would do.

It's like it's taken the invention of the Internet for people to finally link up to start calling bullshit on everything. You are not your parents. Who you are is for you to find out. Fuck the ney-sayers

Love & Peace fam

[–]throwlaca-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sound like a great guy. I mean, bitches surely think that, you seem to have no problem getting them.

[–]johngalt1234-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

''Also a diagnosed sociopath''

Sociopaths shouldn't care about empathy. They are capable of objective morality however.

[–]KekGratiaRex2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is bullshit in every possible way.

It even assumes that the best healing behavior for men is that of women. Which is why the "no biological difference" crowd is always pushing it. Male healing behavior is simply different from female behavior, generally.

[–]metallicdrama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And they frame it as men need to bend over and blindly accept it. Because ultimately the last thing society’s masters want is men getting together to take out the trash.

[–]trowa2018-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm pretty sure the articleis blaming the culture, not the men. It's no individual man's fault that he's raised in a culture that tells him he needs to be strong and that asking for help is inherently weak.

[–]sd4c45 points46 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ok, so let me get this straight. The same group of people, who are so mentally ill that they end up killing themselves, is supposed to:

Find the money for therapy

Coordinate with health insurance

Know the difference between a good counselor and a bad one

Help their physician determine which, if any, psych meds might help them

Attend sessions often enough to help, but infrequently enough to avoid making things worse at work or at home

Not hit back when their partner provokes them

Be forthcoming to a stranger about their childhood, relationships, innermost thoughts, and feelings

Keep a journal, do the exercises their therapist recommends, "get plenty of exercise", and stay sober

The same guys who lack hope to such an extreme that they think a self-inflicted GSW to the head, is their best option--are supposed to find relief in these eight simple steps. Instead of sweet oblivion.

Sounds like a flawless plan. Silly men! Why didn't those big dummies think of this, earlier... Guess they just lack imagination

[–]metallicdrama10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

And all these “caregivers” are so selfless and have only the man’s best interest at heart.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

My friend killed himself and even I was suicidal growing up.

I speak from experience when I say that no one cares. I don't mean that as a joke. It's the cold hard truth. Once you realize this you make yourself available to help a friend cause that's really the only help he's like to get.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the truth. Only two people have ever truly cared about my past depression - my mother and a friend who was also depresses

[–]davebrain 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

"psychiatric help" would just say "worship the golden vagina and throw money at it." Psychology is bullshit for women; men need philosophy.

[–]shaggyctes8821 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Psychology is bullshit for women; men need philosophy...thank you good man, this has become a mantra for the rest of my life

[–]veritableill8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Psychology is the basis for military science and marketing, I wouldn't call it bullshit.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, catching bullets and buying things to make others better off is totally my personal mission in life.

[–]Psychocist12 points13 points  (12 children) | Copy

Ey? I went through 2 years of therapy with a female therapist.. and she didn't once suggest I do anything of the sort. I also came out of that therapy having almost completely overcome years of depression, social anxiety, and suicidal ideation, and plenty of psychological tools (through CBT and ACT) that I use on a daily basis. And yes, perhaps I could have reached the same point through philosophy alone -- so what -- that doesn't negate the potential effectiveness of psychiatric help with the right psychiatrist.

During that therapy, I was also on TRP every single day.. and my therapist never tried to veer me into anything other than my own values.

Maybe you are just talking about the US or just about shitty therapists? From what I hear, the entire country is (c/f)ucked.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

+1

[–]metallicdrama1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

+100

Achievement unlocked: woke as fuck

[–]throwlaca-1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy

Psychology is not psychiatry. The first is bullshit, the later is medical science.

[–]davebrain 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy

they're both bullshit. one is a bitch twisting your brain around with words, and the other a bitch giving you a chemical lobotomy, both to make you a slave to women

[–]P4_Brotagonist12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Literally laughing at this comment. I'll have to remember your thoughts next time I pop my daily schizophrenia meds that all they do is make me a slave to women instead of flailing around at random people in paranoia.

[–]manonthemoon140 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What matters most is biology. Psychology aside, a lot of psychotherapy is based on actual biology on the brain, and what goes on in your brain when there’s stressors in your life. Psychotherapy is pretty much rewiring the clients brain by making them problem solve for themselves, thus whenever a crisis happen, that individual is able to handle it better

[–]metallicdrama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Psychology is largely rooted in biology. The Social Science aspect isn’t but behaviorism and many other non-aggregate topics are.

[–]sd4c-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

For philosophy, Red Pillers should start and end with the greatest philosopher of our time: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

[–]desno3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I used to think that about philosophy but the deeper I look into, the more it seems to make sense

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The problem is that psychiatry is so immature as a science that the practice is reckless. I agree it should be studied though, but perhaps with less psychopaths involved.

[–]trowa20180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Neurology is where it's at IMO but that's just in its infancy.

[–]metallicdrama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Psychiatry is medical education rooted in applied psychology lol.

[–]mgtowolf0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not really. They like to toss around phrases like "chemical imbalance in the brain" that is corrected by this drug, or that drug.

Of all the people I know on some psych drug or another, not a single one has taken any sort of medical test to prove any imbalance(blood test, brain scan, whatever) exists, or any test to prove the meds have improved it.

How about you? Does anyone you know of on meds had any sort of test to prove imbalance before, or more balance after?

I always found that odd as fuck.

[–]throwlaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nope. And I have several family members on those drugs. They are terrible, basically they give you one after another and keep you on the one that works best. Basically they are not better than shamans.

[–]trowa20180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Psychology is bullshit and psychiatry... is more of an art than a science tbh

[–]trowa2018-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Psychology is bullshit for everybody tbh.

[–]AloneOnTheStrange30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

Here's why women don't care about male suicides: Because to them, committing suicide makes you weak.

If you've ever known anyone to commit suicide, you know that's not the case. You know they are unfortunate, sympathetic men, who have struggled for decades before finally having enough. But women have no tolerance for men's failures.

This is what those women are really saying: A real man solves his own problems. If you haven't solved your own problems, and you kill yourself, then you were too weak to deserve the sympathy we give women who do the same.

They would never admit it, but on some level they feel relieved that these men are gone.

[–]throwlaca6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

committing suicide makes you weak.

It's much worst. It makes you dead.

[–]OrgasmicKitkat16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just the other day I stumbled upon an article of a woman whose father committed suicide, just like his father before him.

The man must be revolting in his tomb if he knows his daughter blames toxic masculinity and patriarchy.

[–]throwlaca14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, let's not blame men. Now if you kill yourself for a woman, I don't thing there's a more blue-pill thing to do.

[–]Finbel19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

In america 73.6% of the population is white. According to the paper cited by the news article cited by the blog you're quoting, the majority of all suicides are by white male (24.6%) but even grouped with white females (7.2%) white suicides don't even get close to represent their part of the population. If a white person was as likely as anybody else to commit suicide, the rate should reasonably be 73.6% of all suicides, it's not even half that.

If we on the other hand look at Native Americans (0.9% of the population) they make up 12.6% of all their suicides.

A random native american is basically 24 times more likely to commit suicide than a white person.

I dunno, I just thought it seemed like overtly bad science and therefore untasteful to add (majority white).

[–]301niko1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

YES, that's what I thought.

[–]thomascoopers7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

7 in 10 suicides are men

Bb-but that means 3/10 are women!!1!

[–]bannedfrombitcoin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Surely the other 3 must all be the trans people, with how much we hear about them committing suicide.

[–]TheLaughingRhino 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Apex Fallacy.

When a woman talks about a "man" in a positive tone, she is usually referring to men she'd like to sleep with and desires to be around to raise her social status. Like 3 percent of men. The rest of men? A small percentage would be just good enough to buy her a house and pay her bills while she resents him for it. A few are related to people to she knows, people she works with, people who are neighbors, where the social cost is too high to be too ruthless. The rest? Like 90+ percent of men? They don't exist. If you don't exist, there is no need to show you any kind of humanity.

"Why are all men such pigs!"

Men think. I'm not a pig. I'm a good guy. Without understanding he's not in that 3 percent, so he doesn't quality as a "man" or "hu(man)" to her.

When a woman looks at you. She's thinking, "What's in it for me?" Once you take that concept and never let it go, understanding the true female nature becomes very simple. Women all have the same strategy ( extracting resources/attention/validation), but some just use different tactics. As the great MattyAnon says, when you see a woman doing something to make you think she's different, she's just rolling out a tactic you've never seen before.

Never expect empathy from a woman. Not your mother, not your wife, not your daughter. No woman. Period. There's nothing in it for her.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree up till you said mothers don't care. Remember the goal of a woman's sexual strategy is reproduction. You are a result of that. Your mother is the one woman you can trust

[–]RedwallAllratuRatbar4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just got out of my psychiatrist. Wanted something for daytime sleepiness and fatigue, got called lazy.

Specified I won't take any drugs that lower libido or make dick weak - he says "but you said you won't get married, you don't need sex".

Ofc he was an old guy, mixing worst parts of traditional views in his practice, but earlier patient was young woman who spent 2 hours in his office (that seem to be record of what I saw, next longest visit by anyone was 50 minutes). No wonder like 90% of people sitting in the queue are women. Men need no apply

[–]maplemaximus8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

The easier life is, the the more irrational your standards of happiness become and when that happiness begins to show cracks within the walls, these people commit suicide. It's showing itself in the second most fortunate demographic in the world after the Jewish elites; White men.

Minorities don't seem to be having this problem despite being disproportionately poor and stuck in environments of death and unsightly survival. As I've stated before, increase in the standard of living and dopamine intake throws things off within the mind, making it weaker.

As men we must continue to seek out challenge and hardship that we might be able to avoid the fate of a lot of these young men.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Maybe someone can comment on my thoughts on this.

Back in the day, say 1940s and 50s men did not talk about their problems at all. Male suicide rates were so much lower. Now we are encouraged to talk about our feelings and seek validation yet the suicide rate is much higher. Why?

[–]jim234234red 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I'm going to guess here, but I'd think that many statistics regarding suicide were simply wrong. Suicide, while still shameful, doesn't have the same societal stigmas as it did back then (i.e. one way ticket to eternal hell).

If a guy was found hanging out in the barn, his family might just say he died in a farm accident to save face.

But I'd also imagine that men are committing suicide more than in the past simply because of awful treatment by family courts, lack of community, loneliness, etc.

[–]Finbel3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's factually wrong. The statistics on male suicide are basically unchanged comparing 1950 to 2015 (it was actually 0.1% higher in 1950).

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/#0

[–]throwawaaay871 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The pussification of society

[–]Finbel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's factually wrong. The statistics on male suicide are basically unchanged comparing 1950 to 2015 (it was actually 0.1% higher in 1950).

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/#0

[–]Finbel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is just factually wrong. The statistics on male suicide are basically unchanged comparing 1950 to 2015 (it was actually 0.1% higher in 1950). Jesus Christ how do you even think? "Well I assume men were more manly back then so I'll just pull it out of my ass and hope it's true"?

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/#0

[–]EdAnt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So glad I already got zeroed out. It's taken me a good 8 years to get back to the point I was at then, but I'm in a much stronger position now. This is a great article.

[–]syn1us2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

Men have always been stubborn and gone through more shit than women, yet the suicide rate has never been this high.

[–]beebopo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The suicide rate has remained basically the same since the 1950’s.

[–]trowa20180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here's an idea: why don't you try talking to somebody about your worries whether you believe this is the reason for male suicide or not. It isn't weak to ask for help. Talk to a friend. Talk to Samaritans. Talk to your wife: I'm sure she'd much rather see you as weak than dead.

[–]coolgamer19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I never understood this double standard regarding low suicide rate for women.. Do you guys want women to kill themselves for equality?

I do agree, that the women should be held accountable if they were the cause of the suicides.

[–]canadianmooserancher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here on planet earth we all fear murder and crime like 12 year olds watching cold case files... when our suicide ratings are beating the crap out of our homicide rates. Canada OR usa... we need to take care of our people and not treat them as disposable fuel.

[–]TheWrathofShane0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And 60% of schizophrenia cases attempt suicide. I have walked through the valley of the shadow of death and have feared no evil, I will never do this. 5 years no symptoms no medication. Praise and glory to the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is power in the holy spirit, it is real, seek it and you will find. Its ALL over the bible talks about this supernatural holy spirit if you would just open yourself to it. Repent, because there is two natures and God is holy, he sent his son to die for you, to save the world through Christ. God is holy, you are NOT. You are an abomination unto the lord which is why you need to be baptized unto water for repentance first. He who comes after baptizes you with the holy spirit and with fire.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Finally white guys are doing some good for the world! Keep it up honkies!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I haven't read the entire article yet, however in the first paragraph the author writes,

I’ve stated in the past that true power is not the control we can exert over the lives of others, but rather the extent to which we have control over the direction of our own lives.

This is misinformation. The second half of that sentence is saying the exact same thing as the first half. To be able to have control over your direction of life is directly related to how many people you are in control of. You can't have one of those statements being true and not the other.

Edit: because I don't know how to quote stuff apparently

[–]canadianmooserancher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Found the sith lord. I knew there were others here.

[–]rockmasterflex-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh no, all men are born broken so the ones that DON'T get help commit suicide.

That's the only way to arrive at this conclusion and is a huge pile of horseshit.



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