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Is it better to game 5's than none?

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April 19, 2019

So theres this girl whos been chatting me recently. I figured that she likes me. But the problem is, she is not that attractive. She looks 5/10.

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Title Is it better to game 5's than none?
Author i0427
Upvotes 81
Comments 119
Date 19 April 2019 10:21 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]DANYboy52285 points286 points  (14 children) | Copy

You can't count to 10 without hitting 5 somewhere along the way

[–]wickedc0ntender39 points40 points  (1 child) | Copy

Haha well said

[–]EvolvedVirus17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have a different perspective on this.

Dating < 7's:

  1. If she rejects you, it's gonna mess with your head/confidence; it could put some into a depression (or make a man upset even if they pretend they aren't).
  2. It's good practice, but say you do well; now they might stick to you like glue and that's when things can get dangerous especially if they are insane (and quite a few people hide it well and act life as "highly-functioning" crazies).
  3. If it's NOT getting your dick wet and you're not attracted to her and you have no long-term plans with her: well at this point, she's not getting a good deal at all and you aren't either because you're just kind of forcing it via hormonal instinct but you may not even be having that much fun and wasting a lot of time, energy, resources to this.
  4. If you're not struggling to get 7+, then you aren't really challenging yourself, you've become a whale-humper, a bag-piper (you're piping with the bag over their head). How can you hear any good feedback from women and know what to improve about yourself, if all you ever do is go for the easy-mode 5s and 6s? BE the man that attractive women want to date, and DATE the women that MATCH your SMV that you are doing so from an objective, logical, rather than emotional basis. ATTRACTION IS RELATIVE: you have to date in your league, or a little above. Many men will settle, and that's okay too, but don't get stuck in a bad relationship (same rule applies for women; women constantly pick undeserving or crappy men; or men who are attractive but offer nothing else).
  5. If you ARE going to date <7 (especially if you are in your 20s and want to get some practice; then YES), make sure there's a good reason for it: (a) they are smart, hold great conversation, they interest you, they have common interests, they're fun to hang out with (you're having fun with them) (b) they are actually providing you with something other than just a vag (c) they are wonderful girls who deserve it. Good things should be earned, don't let the struggle get you frustrated and make you settle unless you are happy with what you settle with (don't resent someone because you got stuck with them---a common problem women commit to).

I guess what I'm saying is life should be about improvement. And if you think dating a 5 is worth it in order to improve, that's one thing, but otherwise, should probably avoid it. Don't date/plate people in a way that can backfire and hurt you.

A wild animal picks fights all the time especially when hunting; but some fights are not worth fighting and relations with women are like that. One wild animal may avoid a fight if it thinks an injury is even lightly possible because once injured, you can't hunt for food. That is why many animals check to see if you're going to run away first; a sign of weakness. Similarly, you don't want to get stuck with a bad woman that can harm you in various ways; check for signs that they aren't crazy (red flags).

[–]Well_hung_Yakuza1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Man I feel like some people here still don't get past the basics. You will always get the most attention from girls one or two points below your SMV. You might get an outlier that will still find you attractive although you're below her, maybe because she likes your type or frame. That almost always happens during daygame and never on Tinder where these scales are inflated.

That simply means if you're a 5 you will have to fuck these girls. If you're a 7 you may for comfort reason but if you're a buff holywood star you probably don't have to.

I always give a girl a 1 or 2 point leeway if her personality is cool or it can be assumed she is into some BDSM.

[–]EvolvedVirus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly right. EXPERIENCES may vary among different men (you know sometimes you encounter 7, 8, 9 and they treat you well but maybe encounter a 5 or 6 that rejects you)--however, those are outliers. You WILL encounter outliers. You will however, more likely encounter the general rule: 1-3 points below your SMV.

That's why self-improvement is big in TRP. You have to become the man that a hot woman wants to date. You have to actually imagine yourself as a hot women (with the amount of attention they get) and think about whether they would date you and how that "storyline" would occur.

If you only go out to bars, clubs, and tinder where attractiveness reigns supreme, you will likely have to date way below your SMV. If you meet them at work or exclusive club or hobby or daygame--more likely to be closer to your SMV.

Women date in terms of power, status, and SMV level. That's why celebrities date celebrities. That's why you hear of crazy fairytale like stories that are very real like "oh these two met at work and they are now married with kids happily" because girls like to date someone that is nearly equivalent or better than themselves.

If you're picking up chicks from a dive-bar or club and then you wonder why you're having a lot of one-night stands or no success because all the girls are in bitchy-defense-mode, you should know why. Don't assume it MUST happen that you date above your league (chances are you won't); but you can still try for practice and it's recommend you try.

[–]Greaterbird0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Heavy bdsm adds like 3 points for me. Keeping a sub as a pet is a lot of fun.

[–]Well_hung_Yakuza1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Submissiveness and general openess for experiments seems to be more common in the average looks bracket. Have yet to find a girl above 7 who doesn't have stuff that's off limits although I am sure there are a few.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My hottest plates have been down to do what I want. But I vet heavily for submissive girls who are really into me and never chase. The hottest girls also want to please men; in my experience, many feel deprived that not many men can make them feel like they ought to submit to them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I feel like this is an enormous myth here. I'm still early on with this girl, but I met a HB9 model type girl off Tinder the other day and fucked her on my first date, and I'm not a HB9 myself. She's pretty in my frame and seems to like me a lot. Women are not magical creatures that know their exact worth--if you can sell yourself as a catch, she will buy you as a catch. Whether or not you actually are one, and regardless of where she met you.

[–]Thinkingard-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your 9 might be his 5 tho

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think so. I am pretty strict when I rate people aesthetically. I am pretty active on TrueRateMe, the objective rating subreddit, but I do adjust from PSL scale to "slightly harsh" normal scale. Because PSL scale 9s are pretty much people nobody here will ever bang because there's maybe ten of them in the world. That is not what I am trying to say--she is not one of the very few best-looking women on the planet. But you would have to be autistic to think she is a 5 lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LMAO someone get this guy gold.

[–]weaglf20 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Thats only valid for quantity, not quality, but good advice anyway 😜

[–]antariusz5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is she a 1 or a 0? Will she get your dick hard and treat you good? How much effort is required to get into her pants.

There is no such thing as too much of a good thing. If it’s a beneficial relationship to him, pursue it. If it isn’t worth it, don’t. Don’t overthink it. We aren’t women, we don’t have to be selective and save yourself only for the highest quality women. Fuck many and fuck often.

[–]weaglf20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, I was just saying if we talk about quality, you can get 10 before any 5...

[–]trpboy123104 points105 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well its okay but don't let anyone know.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNightwingTRP73 points74 points  (55 children) | Copy

5s and 6s are harder to game than 8s in my humble opinion. 7s are typically the most difficult because they tend to get the most attention as they're above average attractiveness but not so attractive that the average bloke will rule himself out. As a result they tend to get more attention than 8s and 9s do and it inflates their egos to crazy levels.

My advice? Just game whatever chick is nearby and not ugly. It's easier to engage the DGAF attitude when you're genuinely just choosing based on proximity. It's also very good for abundance mentality.

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy

I feel this. Ugly/Average girls will shit test you like mad and they will act like they are the shit.

Maybe you’ll get better at gaming 5’s but when you’ll meet 10’s the principle of contrast will play against you. I feel like shit when I game 5’s out of scarcity.

Better to approach 10’s and get rejected. At least you stop being fazed by their “beauty” (most of the times it’s the makeup tricking your brain) sooner or later. My personal opinion.

[–]latinasonly9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

a not so attractive girl may give you shit because she feels threatened by your higher status

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy


She rejects you before you can reject her.

I so many times got depressed after getting rejected by 5's because I wasn't realising I actually was higher value and I wrongly took it personally every single time and thought "So I'm ugly?" "So I'm low smv?".

My frame was weak as hell.

Don't do that shit. You are the prize.

[–]DoItAllBeItAll4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This hits home. Just as of recently came to this conclusion and its liberating.

[–]EvolvedVirus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls do all sorts of weird mental gymnastics with the hamster...

An ugly/average girl does things in her head that will manifest as "bitchy" and trying to "create value out of thin air" because they don't have the looks to be comfortable in their own skin. They're insecure, like most women. They also think they can make up for this by projecting more confidence and power in their mind.

Also defense-mechanism ---> If they reject you first, then you can't reject them mwahahahahahhaha (yeah that's probably how their psychology works).

(FYI: I don't fully agree with Nightwing's assessment that 8s/9s are easier to game, I think it depends on the type of girl you talk to [there's a large variety of such girls]. If you are at your peak attractiveness, peak muscles, peak handsomeness, sure it might be easier sometimes to talk to 8s/9s, so I don't fully dismiss what Nightwing says (I upvoted him)... However, I am explaining the bitchyness you might encounter with low-SMV girls but that doesn't make them that much harder. Some girls are just filtering people for long-term relationships and don't want to be pump-dumped.... Meanwhile 8/9s ARE living the life of a princess and they think they own everyone and haven't seen anyone pump-dump them because they are usually the ones doing the dumping)

ONE MORE explanation for Nightwing's experience: Girls above 8/9 have confidence and security in their minds. They might even be more accepting of a slut status. While <7 girls have huge anxiety issues which makes it incredibly difficult for them to trust anyone (on top of being pump-dumped a lot probably).

If you're an attractive guy going for an ugly girl or <6, I suggest you do NOT follow the usual gaming tactics. I think you should act more beta, bring down your own SMV atmosphere down to their level, be very direct and up-front rather than gamey. Doesn't work, next, but you can talk to them a bit more and explain your intentions and it should be fine. Not that I would recommend this. I don't recommend you go for <6; it's better for you to be alone or take time to work on yourself in my view.

[–]T-P-T-W-P10 points11 points  (41 children) | Copy

Ok this ain’t it. Do you actually believe on average it’s easier to bang 8’s than 5 and 6’s? 5’s and 6’s don’t immediately rule out 90% of men in terms of possible sexual partners. I don’t really fuck with them anymore but the only time I ever am shit tested by these average hoes is when they’re super wary of being pumped and dumped, and if they bring it up I’m usually fairly straightforward about it anyway. If you don’t meet an 8’s minimum threshold of value and aesthetic, you will be written off almost immediately. For some reason this sub believes you can bang very hot women without a decent face or body. Game can have an ugly man banging a shit ton of 5’s, one of my good friends quantity wise fucks as much as I do and he’s probably half what I am on a looks scale of 10. But I think the sub tells fairytales about low SMV men slaying prime pussy. Social media and connectivity have largely reduced those instances, if Chad isn’t right around the corner he’s only a couple of miles away. And maybe it’s because my value is decent, but 7’s are fairly easy for me. They’re attractive enough to where I’m engaged but still not hot enough to where they’ve been given a life long silver spoon and the attitude that comes with it.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1005 points6 points  (33 children) | Copy

7s are easy. But certain 7s have been complimented so many times that they believe they’re Kim kardashian or Cardi B.

[–]FPLWizard3 points4 points  (24 children) | Copy

Cardi B isn’t even a 7 lol. What the fuck is your scale?

[–]ChadTheWaiter1001 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy

Haha. I knew a lot of retarded people were going to comment that. Anyone with half a brain can see that Cardi B being a 1 or a 20 isn’t the point.

Regardless, cardi b is fine as fuck. If you saw her in real life, and you didn’t know who she was Or you did, you would definitely want to fuck her. She’s got a good looking face, and a nice body with a fat ass. Is she the finest girl in the world? No. Is she an Instagram fitness model? No. Is she fuckable? Yes. Definitely.

[–]FPLWizard2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy

Cardi B is approximately a 5. Id fuck Cardi B for status reasons and status reasons only. If she was a normal girl I wouldn’t even swipe right on her on tinder.

Makes me laugh when people talk about ‘HB7’ and ‘HB8s’ yet they’re probably talking about 4s and 5s lol.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1002 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy

Cardi b isn’t a 5. Without fame she is a 7-7.5. If cardi B is a 5, which is right at the center of average, which is right in the dead middle of every girl in the world looks like, we would all be fucking 5’s left and right.

Everyone has they’re own ideas of what a 9 is but saying Cardi B is a 5 without the fame and money is retarded.

[–]Ethifury2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Cardi B is a fucking 6 at best WITH makeup. Without makeup? That girl looks like a 4. But there’s no way in hell is she a 7. Gabrielle Union is a 7. Nia Long, Beyoncé, Kerry Washington, Nikki Minaj looks better than her even on a bad day lmao

[–]ChadTheWaiter1001 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Ok well, again, that’s besides the point. If I was to say Beyoncé is a 9 then some you might agree but I would be having this discussion with a different dumass. Anyone with common sense understands that whether or not cardi b is a 1 or a 20 is besides the point.

[–]Ethifury0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I know what your point was, and Cardi B was a terrible example. I don’t think people would react the way they did if you mentioned Beyoncé. Cardi B is nothing more than a pump and dump type of girl. Beyonce is worth a plate or more depending on the circumstances.

[–]FPLWizard0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Most people consider Cardi B average if not ugly.

You seem to have a warped sense of what’s attractive. I’m talking purely facially here. You’re being halo’d by her body and fame clearly.

When we talk about female attractiveness of young women, we compare them to other young women, and she’s average, if not below average.

TIL I’ve never banged anyone below a 9, so that’s nice I guess.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You’ve never banged anyone below a 9!??🤣🤣🤣

[–]FPLWizard0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

According to that ridiculous guide that got posted here I guess so. Some of the people I’ve banged I’d consider a 6 though. Most of the 7s on that guide are 3-5 range.

[–]Seven_league_boots0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

5 on the rating scale does not mean average. It is purely a measurement of aesthetics and implies nothing about distribution or frequency. Also, I agree with the poster who said Cardi is a 5. If you think she's a 7 you have little understanding of actual rating and are being fooled by the halo of her slut demeanor and clothing and makeup.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She is a solid 7 here just by the body alone. If you think the majority of women have bodies like this I want to move wherever you live where that figure is the norm.

[–]antariusz-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Oh fucking please.

You’re fucking delusion or you live in some kind of elitist bubble if you think anywhere close to 30% of women look even close to that good. Let alone 50% or whatever.

5? Lol?

Yea, maybe there is specifically about her you don’t like, but YOU are the one with a “scale” problem. Are you living in Beverly Hills or something?

Anyone that isn’t using this scale is wrong. Despite its flaws with specific examples - the descriptions are still accurate. Pick one girl on that scale that is a 5 that is more attractive than cardi b. Hell, pick any of the 6s.

[–]FPLWizard2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well I’m 20, so there’s that. I’m judging her against young women and she’s not much above average at all facially. I’m viewing it as objectively as I can, I doubt many people would say she’s above a 6.

That scale is fucking hilarious, some of those 7s are straight up 3s.

I wouldn’t swipe right on tinder on any of those 7s, and I’m not that picky. They’re all at least below average.

[–]Seven_league_boots1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone gets it. That scale is a fucking joke.

[–]asktrp44332 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cardi B looks like a space alien and got famous for biting Kodak Black's flow.

[–]StellarMemez2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I prefer women who don't smear their face in watercolors every time they go outside. Fake tits. Looks like an alien.

She's a 6 tops if you're into any of the above.

[–]ProFriendZoner1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude. Seriously. You buy too much into what society says is beautiful.

Cardi B?

The front end of my truck looks better than her and has less miles too.

And your chart ... i'd be hard pressed to put any of them above a 6.

[–]TrolsMan20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Anyone that isn’t using this scale is wrong. Despite its flaws with specific examples - the descriptions are still accurate. Pick one girl on that scale that is a 5 that is more attractive than cardi b. Hell, pick any of the 6s.

Hilarious. What a joker.

[–]Seven_league_boots0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That scale is the most retarded thing I've seen all week, so no, I won't bother.

[–]T-P-T-W-P-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Of course, environment plays a big role in this too. If a 7 is the only woman in her social circle,office, etc. that isn’t beat, you can bet she thinks she’s the shit. Flip side is that if they’re around more attractive women consistently, they feel insecure and it becomes easier because they want in on the action. My main point is that 8+’s are not easier to game if you include the minimum threshold to be noticed by them. I have ugly friends who have great game, better than mine in some cases. They fuck as much or more than I do. But I still average far more attractive women because 5’8 manlets are invisible to women who are regularly approached by high value men. Game is obviously crucial but this sub overrates it to a degree. IMO game correlates more to abundance/quantity. The level you play at is more so determined by aesthetic and general SMV.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Right. Game is over valued here. A homeless man with all the game in the world couldn’t fuck Kim.

Side question- is 5’11 an ok height or still to close to Manlet territory?

[–]T-P-T-W-P0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Definitely dependent on how you carry it. If you’re handsome and fit, it should not be an issue at all. You won’t really get the benefit of being considered a tall guy, I’m 6’2 and I sort of ride that line. I’d really say 5’11 is neither a big gain or loss, really dependent on other factors. It’s technically above average so there is that.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m 5’11, 9% body fat at 160. A little on the lighter side, yes. But I’m ripped and I have a v shape, I have wide shoulders. Ideally I would like to build up to 175-180 and hit 8%. But that’s gonna take me a few years to build mature muscle and maintain a low body fat percentgae.

I also have a handsome and chiseled face. Women, both online and in person, pretty frequently tsk me that.

Yea I know I won’t really be considered tall to very many people but my specific type is a short women bc I have a fetish for jackhammering them in bed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I am 5'9", the guy you are talking to is biased because he's tall so he wants you to think it's more important than it is because it is important to him so that is how he feels it works universally. At 5'9" and benching a little over 200 max right now I have been getting top-tier girls the last couple months. But I am pretty smooth I would have to say.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hm. I don’t mean this in a disrespectful way but 200 lbs isn’t that much. When I was 18, I was 5’9, 150 and repping 245 x 6.

But regardless, I’m interested in hearing, how do you get so many women at that height? I too get some pretty attractive women at my height. I haven’t bench pressed in many years but I am ripped.

From what I gather is that women will throw themselves at a man who is attractive AND tall but for someone at our height we have to be the ones to approach them. Has this been your exp?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know 200 pounds isn't a ton. It's enough where I clearly lift but that's about it. Disclaimer I do have a good face--if you know what PSL rating is, I'm a 6. A PSL 6 is equivalent to a normal scale 7.5 or so, if you're unfamiliar. If I looked average I am sure my results would be different.

Anyways I made a recent TRP post if you look at my post history and want a full story. But here's a brief summary.

Lately I've mostly been doing a combination of tinder, game in my classes, and gaming girls at night with my main girl. On Tinder I have good photos and a good face, so girls are interested in me and can't see my height. I also have photos where I look deceptively big (muscle wise), which definitely compensates. My hottest bang lately was Tinder, and she was a smokeshow.

In class, I just contribute decently frequently in a funny but serious way (as in--I'm not a class clown at all and teachers appreciate my enthusiasm, but I am also funny). Girls see this and will start talking to me because I am approachable, and I then # close and maybe study with them once then invite them directly over because their interest is high by then. I do not approach girls in class--I am just in a major with a lot of girls and put myself in position for them to talk to me.

And as for going out with my main girl who I've had for a long time to pick up girls, that's a work in progress. I kind of let her do most of the 'work' and when they seem like they like her, we bring them somewhere we can talk. She'll DHV me beforehand. Then we'll make the conversations sexual and suddenly I look like I am really, really experienced and confident and also have a HB8 as pre-selection who will go home with me if the other girl won't and she knows that. I pulled a HB8 two weekends ago doing this, and last weekend I almost pulled another but my main girl got too drunk and scared off the other girl before we could start closing. Did get a 3-way makeout at the party, but I don't consider that to be much.

So the common thread here is that I don't approach too much. All the approaches I do make are organic. The reason I am able to play this way is because my text game is really good and I'm well-adept in reading social cues and knowing when to make which moves. Basically, if a girl shows me interest, I convert maybe 75% of the time if I want to. So I've laid perhaps 8 girls the last two/three months, 0 "scheduled" approaches, mostly HB6+ (one five, two 6s, otherwise 7+), and I've maybe been approached 12 times and had my main girl approach some amount of times.

As a disclaimer, I wouldn't recommend trying to game exactly as I do. I definitely benefit from being in a big college and in a fraternity there and encountering lots of women. Every class of mine will have like five guys and 20 girls, so yes, if I act attractive, and there's no other attractive guy, the attractive girls will want to get to know me. Also, I've always gamed this way, and it only started TRULY paying off recently. However I did pack on a bunch of muscle right as it started working, so maybe those things coincide.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

5'8" manlets are invisible to top-tier women? I guess that extra inch from being 5'9" is why I had a threesome with two HB8s last night and just plated a true HB9 model looking girl last week.

Height is overrated. Game is overrated. Everything is overrated. All that matters is your overall vibe. If everything is on point but you're 5'4" you will still fuck. If you're perfect in every way but you have no game you will still fuck. Etc, etc. You can overcome any issues by being even more exemplary in another area.

[–]CaptainBW2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think what he means is that for a Chad, it’s easier to bang an 8 than a 5/6, which is true, exactly for the reason you stated (fear of being pumped & dumped). 7’s exist in this weird black hole category...wherein they are definitively aware they aren’t as pretty as some girls, yet they receive much attention from average to above-average guys, and their deep underlying insecurity collides with massive ego boosts creating a woman with just an atrocious attitude and temperament.

[–]T-P-T-W-P0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I still wouldn’t say so though. My value is good, I have banged 8’s and even a couple of 9’s before and dated an 8.5 for a year prior to finding the sub. You have to realize that the more attractive a woman is, the more likely that she’s been fucked or involved with even higher SMV men. Some of the 8’s I’ve approached I’ve had success with because of my value, game, etc and because I was the one of the better options available to her at the time. With others, I’m shot down immediately because the last dude they were with had 8 figures in the bank account or was a pro athlete, rapper, etc. I haven’t really banged a 5 in a long time but with 6’s, my point is valid that they are often wary of getting pumped and dumped. But as a betting man I would still definitely say my success rate would be higher over 10 6 approaches vs. 10 8 approaches.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNightwingTRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you don’t meet an 8’s minimum threshold of value and aesthetic, you will be written off almost immediately.

False. Status trumps all. Remember to incorporate all of the factors involved in male attractiveness. I've always viewed game as a sort of way to alter your SMV. That's one of the things, when that alters things and you're dealing with a girl who doesn't get approached much or gets fawned all over frequently, the slightest bit of game can have a much bigger impact.

Rejection out of hand is part of the strategy anyways. If anyone comes to me and says they've got a 100% success rate then I call bullshit. The difference is I genuinely couldn't care less if some chick turns me down. Perhaps it is that vibe. I have mentioned many times that these things must be cultivated because women are very good at reading men. If you DGAF for real, success is genuinely much easier... and even easier with the 8 or 9 because it screws with her head. It's like you've negged her without negging her.

Does everything work 100% of the time? No. Even some nights there's just nothing you could have done with that girl because she was in a bad mood or whatever. You can play everything perfect and be brad pitt looks and the bitch was just in a foul mood and looking to be nasty to just get some random dumb emotion out of her system.

So yeah, overall it's typically easier to game an 8 than a 5 or 6 because she's surprised a guy genuinely couldn't care less about her interest. That intrigues her and things tend to go from there. As another reply mentioned, 5s or 6s can see that and will preemptively disqualify themselves to avoid social embarrassment/demonstrating poor social skills to chase men outside their league.

Once you've got your game down, it's easier to game hotter chicks than the average ones.

[–]EvolvedVirus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

a guy genuinely couldn't care less about her interest.

But you have to have some level of interest first for this to work. An ugly/fat/unattractive guy cannot do this. She's not going to "feign interest to test to see if he cares."

If you're below an attractiveness level, for 8/9s you will be eliminated from the start and they WILL NOT care. They will be completely apathetic, like you are invisible. If you get the sense that you are invisible then you've already been eliminated and no amount of game will really do anything but irritate her "omg does this guy actually think he's gonna game me? Eww"

I'm only saying this so that no one goes out and tries to game like 50 women all 8+ and then go into a depression. You do have to improve yourself too.

women are very good at reading men.

This is very true. It's a lot harder to "fake it till you make it" then you think.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The point you missed here is that this honestly depends who you are. PERSONALLY, I have had a lot more success recently by upping the quality of girls I talk to.

I am an attractive guy though with natural psychopathic tendencies and a fuck ton of confidence. To hot as fuck girls, I am different than other guys they are approached by. I'm one that they actually have to fear might pump and dump them, and you know, that excites them. It's rare, especially for someone who doesn't have a "status halo" of something like fame fueling that attitude. So they're interested in me.

At the same time, to a 5 or 6, I am yet another decent looking guy who wants to put my dick in them and not call them back. I am nothing special. The excitement is not the same.

But if I were ugly? Yes, it would be a different story. My body count and my roommate's this year is about the same. He fucks 5s and I fuck 7s, 8s, 9s. Trying to be as objective as possible, and we have talked about this together and agree with one another, I honestly could not fuck as many 5s as he does. They just don't fucking like me. They think I'm an asshole and talk shit about me lol. So many 5s just fucking hate me. But at the same time, my roommate has literally never fucked a 7. He's not attractive enough to do it. They don't like him--he can't get or keep their attention. So it's different on a per-guy basis.

[–]T-P-T-W-P0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I didn’t miss that point at all. You seem to think you’re contradicting me and you’re not. We were arguing over banging attractive women. Both you and I agree that it takes aesthetic and status to bang hot women. Attractive women have standards, and if you meet them, you’re playing the game. If you don’t, you’re out from the very start.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I just re-read your reply and it's not incorrect. My bad haha. I've been doing a paper so I probably didn't thoroughly read it the first time around.

[–]ryanb5621 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is great advice.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been chatting up a 6-7 just to get rolling and I get the “look” from an 8+ across the bar.

Makes the approach so much easier too- you’ve already got momentum.

[–]antariusz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, the 9s get the exact same opener I give 5s and 6s.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've been experiencing this lately as well. For a long time, I limited myself to average-ish chicks just because a lot rejected me when I was starting out so I figured this was my "max." At the same time, though, I had a pretty hot HB8 semi-LTR going who let me fuck others too so I realized there was some conflict somewhere in the world between those two things.

Lately I've started gaming hotter girls and I get way more lays. My best asset is a psychopathic inability to feel pressure around hot girls, and I'm really confident. Around 5s and 6s, this is not impressive--tons of guys show them confidence. So I'm reduced to my standard SMV. Around 8s and 9s, how many guys really put them in their place if they act out of line? And so my game has seen a lot more payoff just targeting a market more receptive to me.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You hit the nail on the head sir. I’m friends with a 7 on snap. Her ego has been inflated to an insane fucking level. She always talks about “how good her pussy is” and shit like that. It’s truly amusing to witness her foolishness.

She even posts screen shots of guys thirsting after her, etc. I could go on but you get the point.

[–]curvedbymykind0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If she has a 3/10 face but 7/10 body, she’s a 5 right?

[–]Seven_league_boots0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. She's a butterface.

[–]CaptainBW-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is accurate. Nice comment.

[–]teveza11-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

5s and 6s are harder to game than 8s in my humble opinion.

Damn bro, you are spot on. I have better luck than 9s and 10s than mediocre girls too.

[–]1redhawkes30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

Practice on her and game other chicks.

[–]CarnelianCore25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can’t climb a ladder if you don’t start climbing

[–]dimmer724 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

gotta slay a few dragons to get to the princess hahaha

[–]UsernameIWontRegret15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

My friend said he believed in pussy karma. He said if you fuck enough ugly ones eventually god will reward you with better pussy.

He’s still fucking fat black chicks.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

when will his day come?

[–]gremgnator13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

She's probabbly 10/10 at something. for sure.

[–]CockyAndHot9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]maljo247 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. Only sleep with women you are attracted to.

[–]OfficerWade5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are really good pre-game until you realize hot girls require the same attitude.

The knots in your stomach, anxiety and paranoia are all symptoms of you believing something that is not true. Call it cognitive dissonance. When you step out of your comfort zone, the ego screams STOP it or you will die. If you believe everything the ego tells you you will think you are shameful, unlovable and not good enough to be just who you are.

But if you do, don’t beat yourself up for it. The shame begets more shame. Just watch yourself.

[–]vullnet1232 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Nothing wrong with average girls. Don't get why people act like average is ugly. If you're not getting any average women aren't bad.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Imo average/slightly cute girls are better in the long run especially if you are high value.

[–]vullnet1233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

They'll always have any guy flinging dick at them but I get what you mean. I find it funny though, I'm sure these 7-8's that people here post about are just cute 6/10s. People just gotta stop acting like average girls are ugly.

[–]teveza11-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Average better in the long run????????

No fucking way. The best girlfriends that I have had are the 10s.

Thinking that average are ugly girls have better personalities is blue pill AF.

[–]Seven_league_boots0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lmfao. You didn't have any girlfriends who were 10s. Wtf.

[–]teveza110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You didn't have any girlfriends who were 10s.

Yeah I do, and I HOPE you don't like it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In my experience they were amazing. Constantly trying to win me over, making me food, giving me gifts randomly, etc. But each to their own

[–]teveza110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

8s, 9s, and 10s do that just as much.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man, the quality of this sub has gone down.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What would be better, is to game women you're attracted to. Why waste time on shit that doesn't interest you, when what you want is all around you?

Ask yourself why you aren't gaming women you find attractive.

[–]1rad_dynamic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Give it a go, wear a condom. She might be fucking wild in bed. If she's terrible don't even let her come into your mind again.

[–]Flintblood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Define 5s? I think sometimes people refer to a woman/girl as a 5 when they really mean something lower. If you mean lower, then I would say no. Go out on a warm-up date maybe when you're getting back into the groove, but I don't think it's very responsible to use someone like that. If something does happen, you will probably not want to do it again and you will probably regret it. Someone who has weight issues and personal mental health issues and other attractiveness issues is more likely to go "nice girl" on you and either stalk you or entrap you somehow. Totally not worth it.

On another note, here's the problem with the rating system when used as a generic number. Bear with me. My last 'dating episode' was with someone of east Asian ancestry, which biases my rating immediately (muh preference right now). Her body was a solid realistic 7.5-8 slender 5'8" (105-110 lbs) with firm round breasts. Personally I would have rated her body higher if she had fuller thighs and hips without adding flab (so maybe 120 lbs). But some like the waif / barbie build, so they would rate higher. Regardless I found her body and light cappuccino skin so nice to behold that I found myself just looking and admiring her like a work of art. Her face, though was more average (5) and she was a little toothy.

All in all, ratings a very often subject to personal preference and bias if you are somewhat emotionally invested. In my recent case, I might rate an Asian 6 an 8 and any other race 7 a 6. The preferences extend to build, so there we need to aim for objectivity based on some arbitrary standard, just for comparison's sake. I think we need to consider social clout too. Someone could be pretty, but new to town and not carry much social standing making scoring a date with her not so competitive.

So I take ratings here with a huge grain of salt. What we need is a reproducible standard composite scoring system that accounts for face (hair + face) and body and maybe details like presentation (fashion, well kept feet and hands) and maybe personality and demeanor or something to account for how she carries herself.

[–]sircomeseyesd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Start somewhere and level up

[–]Cyprian_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Let her touch your penis.

[–]Casanova-Quinn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’d say it depends on your experience level. If you’re a novice with women, then you should go for it, for practice. If you’re beyond novice, then you can take it or leave it.

[–]rpmc830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You gotta slay a few dragons before finding your princess. Do it to stay sharp and for the ego.

[–]beachbbqlover0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is a truth to TV and the movies that a handsome dude that can dance with grandma and Bertha and have fun while still clearly not gaming them is himself hot. And I suppose petty flirting is OK too, as long as it's petty.

If you lack the social capacity to be able to handle that, then skip all that and focus on this always true rule:

Only game what's attractive to you.

[–]RedPillAlphaBigCock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do it for the experience - you might end up liking her personality - there is more to girls than looks

[–]Ask_Djhinn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Plate her, and then have a scooter to enjoy for when the best plate breaks. You are dipping into more than one, right? Rhetorical. Replace her when the selection gets to three. Casually gaming daily to replace lowest of the three. My experience three is tops for time management, and variety. Got to stay on mission.

[–]T-P-T-W-P0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You’re points all have some truth to them but you really are putting the cart before the horse. Looks and the status that comes with it open the door for you to consistently game hot women. Game isn’t what gets you in the door, it’s the catalyst towards sealing the deal. You do have to meet the standards of each respective woman before she will begin to think of you as a sexual being. I’d much rather be a social dummy and a walking god than a 5’5 potbellied dude who can spit with the best of them. No hot woman is having sex with that guy and idc whatever example anyone gives because by the numbers they just won’t. Women can certainly overlook social awkwardness, particularly when their friends see and want to fuck that walking god or a similar social situation. I’m not trying to say game is unimportant, I’m saying it is a tool to improve and use once you’re not fat, ugly, etc. You say remember status is key, I’ll tell you to remember that the first rule of banging chicks is don’t be ugly.

[–]zxcvb78090 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I will take 10, 1's over one, 10.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think you would have any problem finding 10 1's who would fuck you. Unless you are literally deformed.

[–]Gvozderkov0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is no game my boi, just looks believe me

[–]yung_gravy10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

“You gotta plow a 4 to appreciate an 8”

Danielations 4:18, The book of Tosh.

[–]Thinkingard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It depends. Are you a 6 or a 7? If so, then yes, it's fine. If you are a 5, then even better. If you are an 8 or higher than it wouldn't be recommended. If NONE is your only alternative to 5's than obviously 5's are in your league and as you game better and make yourself higher value you can go to 6's.

[–]jenovajunkie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How do you look?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You won't get a home run if you don't try.

[–]StoneHurk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If that's the best you can do at the moment, then yes you should go for it. It is important to aim high and never settle but you also have to be realistic and know your current limits. Similar to a 2/10 whale who thinks she deserves a bad-boy CEO bodybuilder who's also a surgeon, you don't wanna be the average/above average dude who thinks he deserves a 10/10 movie star.

[–]dontlike-hotz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude sounds like you can do some work on yourself yo have 6 and 7s in the near future

[–]precocious_pakoda0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If she makes you happy and you make her happy, it should be good enough. No need to seek anybody else's validation

[–]look_up_there0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You could always just stop deciding whether or not to fuck a girl because of her /10 score. You are either attracted to them or not, just act on it

[–]orezavi-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Umm. You really don’t have to game 5, 6, and 7s that much. If you’re gaming them you’re conceding your frame to them.

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[–]KidWonder101-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Game women you're attracted to...

[–]goomerall3-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Says who you should be gaming all the time...?

[–]Frequentcity-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude fuck the 5 if you can and want to, if not don't, just keep it quite with your bros. You don t need trps blessing

[–]CaptainBW-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you wanna pork her, pork her. I personally feel 5’s are below my with that is not worth my time nor (admittedly low) effort. You don’t need to come here to get our opinions for your own validation though. I’d work on that mindset first.

[–]stat1490-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure. Males are horny by nature and we will fuck basically anything to get off lol. Just don’t commit

[–]TrolsMan2-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Choose a 5 that you are attacted to.

[–]1FixYourselfFirst-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Make the 5 a plate for a couple months until she breaks. It will give you some confidence.

But it doesn't sound like you are approaching other women.

[–]Kalepsis-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.

It depends on the circumstances. Are you in a relatively small town where people know each other? Then no. Hot women will see you with someone less attractive and assume you're desperate or that your standards are low. No 8 wants to steal a guy from a 5. But also, be real with yourself and decide where you stand in the sexual marketplace... no 8 wants to date a 5, either, unless he already has a 9 or 10.

On the other hand, if you live in a highly populated area where it doesn't matter with whom you're seen, and you actually like her, go for it. Sometimes the 5s can surprise you and be a whole lot of fun.

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