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[–]TannhauserOverture264 points265 points266 points 9 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link
Always. the. same. story.
Blablabla I have a boyfriend who is totally great and puts me way high on a pedastal even though my looks are fading and i can see the wall approaching.
Blablabla ok, I'm not as attracted to him as I was to past boyfriends but hey - we have the same interest (meaning he now has mine) which is totally important and shit.
Blablabla I trickletruthed him a little about my past but only so he'd be ok with it - not the whole story obvs lol.
Blablabla getting stuffed by two cocks at once was great and all but now i want a provider. Did I mention the wall?
Blablabla provider found out!!! What am I gonna do??? I don't want to face the consequences of my actions. It's soooo unfair.
[–][deleted] 140 points141 points142 points 9 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Note the Bossy response:
Bossy says: OK, here are some simple truths. If he is the ‘real deal’ - or rather if this relationship is the real deal - then he will come around. He will be willing to move past the fact you hid things about your sexual past, even when he asked you to be honest. He will want to be with you enough to get through this particular relationship hump.
Translation:
If he is going to be a supplicating beta and bend to your will then he needs to act like one. If he doesn't then there's something obviously wrong with him - it's all somehow his fault.
Notice how the man is always the one who needs to understand and forgive? Funny how women have this expectation. They get to act like shitheads and we're supposed to be magnanimous and just take it. When we don't then we're assholes.
This is a reason many of us come to TRP. We're pretty sick of this bullshit and where it gets us.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan79 points80 points81 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. But reverse the role and ask Ms. Bossy what she'd say about a woman finding out about her man's previous soft harem of whores, and it would be all "you don't need him", "you can do better", "he's just a player who doesn't respect you," etc, etc.
[–]rpdoom33 points34 points35 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
"you don't need him", "you can do better"
The fact that makes me laugh is that he doesn't need her, and she's not good enough for him. It's totally backwards. The question really comes down to whether or not he realizes that, and on the respect issue, being deceitful and hiding her shameful past is disrespectful to the guy. Why hide it if she wasn't ashamed of it? Well, because she knew shit like this would happen when he found out.
[–][deleted] 45 points46 points47 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's all about manipulating the man into servitude.
It's all about running whatever bullshit lie/trickle truth con game she's got to run in order to get a guy to sign on the dotted line.
She doesn't respect him enough to be honest with him - and this is when he has leverage. Imagine when he loses this leverage in marriage how she'll treat him. You think she'll give one iota of a fuck about his happiness?
[–]charlesbukowksi3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Get them to sign on the line that is DOTTED.
[–]zephyrprime28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Precisely. The only reason she hid it was because she knew it was shameful and negative. If what she did in the past wasn't negative, she would be willing to do the sexually adventurous things with her fiance but she isn't because she KNOWS that stuff is detrimental to a stable relationship. Basically, she was rewarding the alpha's with her pussy before and was ignoring this beta guy and now she wants to settle down so she tries to pretend to be a good girl with this naive beta fool. She gave those other guys all the benefits while requiring the responsibilities and now is only giving her fiance some of the benefits while requiring him to bear all the responsibilities (exclusivity, emotional support, economic support, etc). If you treated the other guy better - you gave him more and demanded less in return - doesn't that mean you loved the other guy more as well?
[–]through_a_ways10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
If what she did in the past wasn't negative, she would be willing to do the sexually adventurous things with her fiance but she isn't because she KNOWS that stuff is detrimental to a stable relationship
Nope. She isn't because she's not attracted to her fiance.
Mindblowing sex isn't bad for any relationship, lol.
I think maybe you meant to say that the admission of her past was bad for a stable relationship.
[–]AlmostRP7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This person goes by "bossy." If she hadn't been a douchebag then I would have been surprised
[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's even more than that. Bossy operates under the perfect pairing assumption (AKA The One). Somewhere out there is that perfect match, you just need to go though many many guys to "find yourself" and you'll know he's The One when your feelings make you want to settle down with him (i.e. your subconscious is sensing the Wall) AND he's ok with that DickQuest™ of yours, because it led you to him.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan40 points41 points42 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"I know I ignored you all those years and have been rejecting you since I was 18, but now, after all these years and all these alpha bad-boy dicks, I'v picked YOU to be the one I want to 'settle down' with and have provide emotional and financial support for me!!! Don't you feel lucky?!?!"
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Haha, that's actually what's going through their heads. I'm not even kidding.
[–]Misterlulz0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm starting to get pissed off. Is this a sign that I have successfully swallowed the pill? lol.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
and
I mean what does that even mean? It’s pretty subjective. Is it embarrassing to have a threesome? Some people would think so, others wouldn’t. But is it embarrassing the way he found out? Yes.
So the correct answer is yes, that is embarrassing and should have been mentioned. If she couldn't tell that her boyfriend would be embarrassed to find out about it, then I really don't think she knows him well..
He feels you lied to him
Because you did lie to him. You answered 'no' when the answer should have been 'yes' and by doing so you completely shafted him. Why is this now his issue?
fuck, and
He feels publicly embarrassed.
He was publicly embarrassed. Stop writing that shit like her actions didn't have real consequences, and the man is somehow the one and only person at fault.
It's never the woman's actions that caused something to happen if it's bad, it's always the guy's method of handling it that is the issue.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And somehow us men are the ones who are privileged.
It's the crap like this that makes me smh.
The entire privileged line is pretty intellectually disingenuous.
[–][deleted] 2 points2 points2 points 9 years ago | Copy Link
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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Personal experience tells me that it's always a smart play to keep your cool.
You don't have to lose your shit in order to press the engagement ejector seat button. When you snap like a branch and scream GTFO YOU FUCKING LYING WHORE - you're going to lose frame. Trust me on this.
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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Trust me on this... Every time you raise your voice over a certain threshold you run the risk of having it go against you in a myriad of ways.
Also, if I were to cuss out another employee in my corporate professional workplace the result would not be good.
Alpha also means shrewdness - specifically at its apex.
[–]Modredpillschool0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
GTFO YOU FUCKING LYING WHORE - you're going to lose frame. Trust me on this.
And it gives her emotional ammo to feel like the victim. "Good thing we broke up, what an asshole..."
Remove the moralizing and its good advice. If he is a beta guy, he will get over it. Otherwise he is going to break up with you.
[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, that's what I love about that PoV - that women apparently don't seem to get into their head that out of the four possibilities, this is the one the least guys (if any) would want.
[–]opencover0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The slut understood that perfectly well, as well as her lack of attraction to betabux. Therefore, she trickled the truth, expecting that if she told all the truth, he'd dump her. Her expectation was probably right, and the guy has every right to do so.
[–]The_Chobot0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
question: what should one make of a girls sexual past?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's how's she's chosen to live her life. The more promiscuous she's been, the more narcissistic she is and the less likely she'll be to make a strong commitment - one that you can have reasonable faith in.
[–]The_Chobot0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
why does promiscuousness directly relate to narcissism?
[–]Modredpillschool2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sex is validation.
[–]Ace-of-Spades88100 points101 points102 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wow, that was scary accurate actually.
Best part: "not the whole story obvs lol." Hahah, I see her uttering that exact statement to a girlfriend.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have dated enough losers and jerks in the past to recognize this.
I love it when girls say this. Why the fuck did you date them then? -- I know why, and am not arguing that point. But by saying that, you are acknowledging that there was a reason you dated them and it wasn't because you wanted anything serious - it was because you wanted wild, crazy fun and are now ready to "settle down"
[–][deleted] 63 points64 points65 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
"She didn't lie to him, she just didn't tell him everything."
Are you fucking kidding me.
[–]-whycantistop-31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
A lie by omission is still a lie.
[–]iRespectFemales28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I remember him asking me if there was anything in my past that could be an embarrassment in the future. I answered “no.”
That seems like a pretty obvious lie to me.
[–]1Zackcid1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This exact sentence flew by so many comments, it's crazy. All these women claiming that OP never lied to him. This is clearly a lie!!!%#?&#$*(
[–]ButterMyBiscuit0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"You think not tellin' is the same as not lyin' don't you?
[...]
If there is a lie, then there is a liar too
And if there is a sin, then there is a sinner too"
-The White Stripes
[–]Manuel_S8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Continuing same story: good odds the poor sap will marry her. Sex will dry, kinky or not; he'll be blamed for still suspecting her, and that dries her poor misunderstood juices. Blah blah alimony.
[–]TannhauserOverture1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
thank you, you're right with your summary though. that's why the guy felt shitty...
[–]Talkshitgethit1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great way to put it.
It's like it's her money already and he's cheating by walking away and refusing to provide it now.
[–][deleted] -1 points-1 points-1 points 9 years ago | Copy Link
hahaha
[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger141 points142 points143 points 9 years ago2 (14 children) | Copy Link
This stuff still pisses me off sometimes.
This woman's fiance doesn't "feel like he was lied to." He fucking was lied to. As soon as the woman realized that her 'number' was larger than his and that he had "never tried any crazy stuff," she "didn't go into full details" about her own past, didn't mention anything about her previous boyfriend (who she still hangs out with and introduced to her fiance as a 'good friend'), and deliberately generated the false impression that she had given full disclosure and was honestly and completely presenting to her fiance who she was and the type of woman she was. He thought he had a handle on her history and her behavior and attitude regarding love, sex, and relationships.
Yet women are up in arms, proclaiming it was right for her to hide her past, because it's none of her fiance's business. He shouldn't have even asked. Nobody should want to know. Why should she have to 'confess' to the man she's going to marry? If he loves her, he should marry her blind!
Why did she hide this to begin with? Because everyone knows it's embarrassing, slutty, and devalues the woman. Everyone knows a good guy with options won't marry a woman with this kind of history. A loser guy might, but not a valuable guy with options. So everyone proclaims loudly that it's right, just, and okay to hide it, to prevent her fiancee from wrongly freaking out about stuff that's not his business, and to con him into marriage, while out the other side of their mouth, they explain that this stuff doesn't matter and doesn't affect her value at all. If it didn't matter and didn't affect her value, she wouldn't have had to hide it.
[–][deleted] 74 points75 points76 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
"Oh you feel like I lied to you? Well I'm sorry you feel that way."
Standard feminine rhetorical bullshit.
[–]icanteventhecat30 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"I'm sorry you're upset" is hands down the most patronizing, uncaring, selfish thing you can say to someone. That's an automatic GTFO in my book.
[–]_DiscoNinja_7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The man doesn't feel like he's been lied to.
The woman feels like she didn't lie.
[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s103 points104 points105 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Simple rule: a girl who lies about her past deserves to be lied to about her future. You can string her along, not make promises and if she wants signs of commitment, just use the same cop-outs she uses for her past. "The future is the future, all that matters is us in the present".
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is gold.
[–]Summertime_Dimes0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
word.
[–][deleted] 13 points13 points13 points 9 years ago | Copy Link
But how are you supposed to tell their partner count if they won't be honest with you?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission
Lying is one thing, but the whoring is another, more serious thing. Even if she did come clean instead of trickle truth, he could have left her for that.
What these women are screeching about is their fear or feeling that they hate that. They want guys to be unable to avoid former party girls. How dare the beta bucks wise up!?
[–]left_one-5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, he's the sort of dumbass that coyishly asks questions like "tell me everything you were never going to tell me" and then has the nerve to get pissed when the obvious happened. Not sure who you are trying to kid.
Like - he didn't say "Tell me your history", he said "tell me what might embarass me" - that's obviously a bit of a different question.
[–]1violentlucidity0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I doubt her narrative's integrity: she's likely cherry picking a specific question he asked her that she feels she can argue that she answered "truthfully."
You are, however, at least raising an important point:
If you want to know someone's sexual history, ask them direct questions. I'm reminded of the scene from Clerks where Dante finds out his girlfriend has blown WAY more guys than she had admitted to because he let HER define what "sex" meant when he asked her how many guys she had had sex with.
[–]left_one-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's a women, rite???
Bingo. I wish the guy in the OP could have the justice of her unknowingly fucking a dead guy as well.
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea104 points105 points106 points 9 years ago (58 children) | Copy Link
Hamsters giving hamster advice as usual. They repeat enough bullshit they'll eventually digest it.
Even though I told him all that was in the past and that I love him with all my heart
How convenient. You can blow off any past indiscretion by saying it's all in the past now? Yeah, I murdered a few women and managed to get away with it. It's all in the past though! Let's move on.
This chick's situation is precisely why feminism needs to die. A bunch of loud, low-quality women instill insipid ideas into the heads of normal women, and they end up doing shit like this that ruins their prospects for happiness down the road.
Your partner count matters. Sluts are terrible partners. Don't date one seriously, ever.
[–]Endorsed Contributor3030303030303030 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
How convenient.
I used to answer that bullshit with "so we will take out a serial rapist out of jail and you will go for drinks with him, since past doesn't matter.."
Women are truly the champions of mental gymnastics.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
What is this?
[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's a good argument. I'm gonna use that. If sexual patterns are so easily changed, that should be totally ok!!!
[–]Endorsed Contributor3030303030303014 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You will use it few times and then you will learn that there is no point. Puts the hamster in overdrive. Never use it on a woman you are trying to fuck. Won't happen after this.
[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can totally see that happening. You're right.
[–]RMessmann 56 points56 points56 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
How about the classic, "It happened before you so it's not you're concern."
Really? Threesomes, cheating on your exes, boyfriends twice your age, letting every man you meet get between your legs - That has no reflection on your character or decision making abilities? That's is completely inconsequential to the woman you are today?
Her past is the single most important indicator to what a future would be like with this girl.
[–]Areimanes50 points51 points52 points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
It is. But boys are brainwashed by the media to just be content there's a woman even paying attention to them, and they are shamed if they think a girl's sexual past is a problem (case in point: comments in that post and a dozen threads on /r/relationship_advice).
I was trying to get this into a friend's head that a girl's past does say something about her as a person. He would follow my logic up to a point (education, excessive partying, drug use), but he could not make the final connection about a girl's sexual past. To quote the amazing post by /u/pr3dat3ur
It always amazes me how betas will agree with a woman that her past education reveals her dedication to scholarly pursuits, her past work experience reveals her quest to improve her business acumen, her past payment history reveals her credit worthiness, her past workout routine reveals her desire for a healthy lifestyle, and her past volunteer efforts reveal her heart of gold, but her past sexual habits reveal absolutely nothing. That, my beta friend, is The Art of Whore.
[–]Mintaka713 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
boys are brainwashed by the media to just be content there's a woman even paying attention to them
This is exactly the problem. We are being brainwashed from the beginning. No wonder so many men are feminine and passive, it's what we're taught to do. We're taught to put them on pedestals and think THAT will make her love us. It's very cringey for most of us now, but that's what we teach our children.
If we want to see some real change, stop complaining and share these trp ideas. All the discussions here in this sub mean nothing if only a few men have access to that knowledge. There are plenty of men here in this sub who complain a lot about so many men being beta. Well, man, you probably were one!
Be the change you want to see in the world and all that crap.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And yet her past actions (promiscuity) are indicative of her future opposite behavior (incel). Weird.
[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Her past promiscuity(as was found out) and relatively barebones sexuality today says a lot about her attraction to him. After marriage, sex plummets for most couples. And especially for provider figures(well, the ones whose main role in her life is as a provider, few people will admit to this but it becomes apparant fast).
But you're right, a very sexually active woman will most probably be predisposed to continue the trend. Is it a huge stretch to say a woman with a comparatively unsatisfying sexual life with her partner (that she settled for; our beta provider) will become unhappy? Perhaps she wants to want to fuck. Perhaps she'll divorce him or find another way to satisfy that urge. Or perhaps she'll feel unhealthily (yet subconsciously) pleased with herself for foregoing sexual excitement and expect more from her husband in other ways to repay the favour?
If nothing else, divorce rates against prior sexual partners for women indicate a trend. Not so much for men.
Recently went on rational male and remembered this from there.
http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A woman withholding sex from her beta provider is not involuntarily celibate (incel). She is voluntarily denying the provider pussy, and will only offer just enough to keep him around, or to reward him for good behavior (providership), not unlike one rewards a dog for rolling over and doing tricks.
[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well said. Coquettery increases the value of sex by creating scarcity and challenge. Doesn't work as well on HV Guys because they have plenty of options. But sexual baiting is amazingly effective with thirsty beta dudes.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, it was unclear... she is causing him to be incel.
[–]TheRabid51 points52 points53 points 9 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Why doesn't she just immediately offer to do the same things with the "love of her life"? Oh right...
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea131 points132 points133 points 9 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Could you imagine the comparable male scenario?
"Yeah, I used to be pretty baller in my past relationships. I used to fly her out to Paris just to have dinner, then take her to Tahiti on the weekends just to relax. Bought her lots of nice gifts on her birthday and anniversaries. That's all behind me now though. I just want to stay at home now and let my money sit in my bank account instead of spending anything on my current girlfriend. Why can't she just accept that?
[–]TheSKSpecial126 points127 points128 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Somebody brought up almost that exact same analogy in the comments.
For women: How would you feel if you found out your non-romantic husband had done much more with his ex’s? Written poetry, candlelit romantic dinners, massages, serenading and expensive holidays and marriage proposals. With you he just buys you dinner from the local takeaway and gave you a civil ceremony down at the courts. One of his ex-fiancees has shared a few special looks with him at parties and now you know why. Would you feel upset? How about if he led to you believe that he’d never done those things for someone else despite you deliberately asking? How about if you found out in public in front of all your friends and that they all knew about it?
For women: How would you feel if you found out your non-romantic husband had done much more with his ex’s? Written poetry, candlelit romantic dinners, massages, serenading and expensive holidays and marriage proposals. With you he just buys you dinner from the local takeaway and gave you a civil ceremony down at the courts. One of his ex-fiancees has shared a few special looks with him at parties and now you know why.
Would you feel upset? How about if he led to you believe that he’d never done those things for someone else despite you deliberately asking? How about if you found out in public in front of all your friends and that they all knew about it?
And predictably, not one woman had a response to it.
[–]Peripheryy57 points58 points59 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"but it's different! Because reasons!"
[–]thepenismightiersir17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This definitely happened to an old gf of mine who was pulling back on sex and trying to settle me down. I just wanted sex so I broke up with her. Even after the fact it was glorious to see her face when she found out. The previous girl was the "first love" and that meant nice dinners and such with the kicker being a hot air balloon ride. As a bonus it wasn't even me that told her. Some mutual coworkers dropped that info on her when she was trying to talk up her new guy in front of me. She was slammed, just speechless, and almost started crying it seemed. Later she approached me by herself to confirm every dirty detail (read: classy ass shit I do when I think I'm in love) and was just generally distraught I didn't do the same for her. It felt so good sharing those nuggets of info and shrugging her off for good.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I left a similar comment some months ago, too, on one of the mainstream bluepill advice subs. It got a fair amount of upvotes, but not one response, and I didn't register that until reading your comment.
It's very true to us (men) that the willingness of our partners to be sexually adventuresome with us is indicative of their attraction and desire for us. If I or you had to stick it out for months before getting in her pants, and even then she never sucks dick (which rules out sticking it in her backdoor too, probably), yet she did all those things and way way more with a guy she dated only a few weeks, it plainly and simply means that she doesn't find us as attractive as him, and she'll probably jump ship when a better option comes along.
[–]InflatableRaft1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, the best part of that blog was the comments section.
[–]TheSKSpecial51 points52 points53 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Can't forget, "but that was in the past and I've matured. I don't just spend frivolously now, because I don't want you to think I just waste money. All the things I spent money on in the past shouldn't matter, I was in an experimental stage wasting money dating bitchy supermodels and superficial actresses and I didn't know then what I know now. I'm not like that anymore, now I'm responsible with my money. You should be happy I don't waste money like I used to!"
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh this is beautiful!
[–]srtor1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is glorious. This mantra if followed strictly will bring you a lot of happiness (and you will be financially strong).
[–]1FloranHunter0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This may be perfect.
[–]1Jaereth8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit that's a great analogy.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you deserve gold for that.
[–]TheRabid9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think that instead of just imagining it...men should start doing it...for shits and giggles.
[–]ConfusedNooblet5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good analogy.
[–]thaRealDonJon0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You don't think the comparable male scenario is one where he has experimented with threesomes/wild sex in the past and now doesn't want to because he knows its damaging to LTR's? I agree with most of what everyone is saying but I don't understand this logic.
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[–]thaRealDonJon0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That's what I figured. So they're supposed to be judicious gatekeepers of the sex in order to attract commitment from a man with attractive resources, and we, in return, must be judicious with commitment and resources in order to attract a woman who will...? But for both parties it is due to biological imperative to ensure continuation of our personal DNA. Is there conclusive scientific evidence as to whether sticking around and raising my offspring is beneficial and preferable to spreading it around and taking a crapshoot? Because my DNA survives whether another man raises my children or not.
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[–]2johnnight1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The current environment is so safe, that K-strategy is useless and self-defeating. The r-selected will win by numbers.
There is this case of the guy, who fathered 30 children with 11 mothers. He is in jail for alimony, but he already won and nobody will catch up with him.
Meanwhile a college professor will have 1 highly educated child...
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[–]TheSKSpecial0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Biologically it doesn't matter if you stick around to raise your offspring, your genes are already passed.
From a social/cultural standpoint it's beneficial to raise them to best operate in the society they're in. But from a strictly biological standpoint, you don't have to.
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, because men and women have different values they desire in the opposite sex. A woman with low partner count is desirable to men. This is a biological holdover to prevent being cuckolded. Conversely, a high status man that is desirable to lots of women is desirable to women. Such a man has high quality DNA that a woman has access to even if he's having sex with many other women.
A man that is sharing his resources with another woman is seen as undesirable, as that is something that women look to obtain from men (or at least did historically)
[–]2johnnight0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, it already happened. I won't find it now in the TRP archives, but I remember this RP example. The gal was angry, that he spend more money on his ex than on her. Fancy vacation and stuff.
[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Already been said 5 days ago, but nevertheless I wanted to give you Kudos for that. Should I ever run into the scenario outlined above, I know what to say.
[–]redpilltree9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I hate that "It's all in the past" excuse.
Sister borrows $5000 from me promises to pay back within 6 months. 6 months later money still hasn't been paid back. She refuses to pay so I cut contact with her.
Sister called up 2 years later asking for money. I refer to the incident and she brings up that bullshit "Oh that was in the past let it go."
I ruined my goddamn week by getting so angry at that.
Take her to small claims court. It's obvious what she sees you as.
[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Don't date one seriously, ever.
Woah woah woah. I think that's a bit harsh.
Date them.
Just don't give resources past the bare minimum needed for sex. And then move on. They are easy targets for game. Most of the sex I've ever had has been with more or less sluts. Women that seem to be worthwhile partners though, make it past plate stage.
There's profoundly happier times to be had having a single stable partner than endlessly qualifying to yourself to a new girl every night. A lot less effort and rejection too(its a numbers game).
[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
By date seriously I presume he meant enter a LTR with. An LTR with a slut lowers your value socially, and is incredibly foolish since they're inept at maintaining functional relationships.
Sluts are fine for sex otherwise.
[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hm, you're right, it looks like I've have inadvertently dipped into pedantry. My bad.
[–]Idrinkjdbythegallon1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sluts? I love sluts
[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me too
[–]kborz11 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's funny because that's exactly the way they think about those bad boy murderers. "It's in the past. He has such a good heart underneath."
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
TBP in a nutshell -- being too dumb to comprehend simple analogies.
[–]left_one-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So what part do you think I didn't understand?
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That past behaviour is the best indicator of future behaviour. The reason people feel uneasy around former murderers is because people now recognize that this person has the capacity to murder.
Same goes for being a wanton slut.
[–]left_one-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And you are saying I failed to comprehend your analogy how?
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Because you seem to be focused on the fact that I brought up murderers, rather than see the obvious connection demonstrating natural revulsion towards someone's past behaviour.
Is this really so difficult?
[–]left_one-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How is me reading your analogy (a comparison, in this case between murder and slutting) a failure?
You suggested the discomfort of being around a murderer is the same as being around a 'slut'.
Are you like 1000 monkey's bashing at a keyboard until a sentence comes out, or do you actually comprehend what you write? Because if it's the latter, and you want to bother to suggest I didn't understand what you wrote, you might want to work on your reading comprehension as you don't seem to understand what you wrote.
rather than see the obvious connection demonstrating natural revulsion towards someone's past behaviour.
So are you actually trying to strengthen the claim that the responses to sluttiness and murder are alike - because that's exactly what I'm pointing out as fucking stupid.
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, I said that they are comparable. That's why one uses analogies, to show similarities in ideas.
You don't sound like someone who can understand things easily. Go troll elsewhere.
Yes. That's exactly what I said you just did. Despite your lack of knowledge of partaking in the act, you did. Despite your insistence that you didn't write what you have done several times now... you did. You even just said you did here.
Do you think insisting that the color of your shirt is blue when it is really red is some form of 'maintaining frame' when questioned by another male? You are probably better off just giving up instead of insisting you didn't compare murder to sluttiness.
[–]MockingDead28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok, look, I know my old girlfriends used to get sirloin and champaign for BJs and you get McDoubles and Diet Coke, but if you are the one, you'll be ok with that.
How do these women not understand that if you are sexually permissive, and then stop, it's a real buzzkill.
[–]FullMetalAsshole121 points122 points123 points 9 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
Its like they're playing a game where you have to say alpha fux/beta bux in as many words as possible.
[–]Zaorish968 points69 points70 points 9 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link
It's painful how obvious this is. It's amazing how she never ever addressed the question of why she's against getting crazy with her fiance but was totally happy to do it with the bad boy.
[–][deleted] 43 points44 points45 points 9 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand why ladies refuse to get crazy with their beta. Theoretically it could potentially keep him around longer. I guess it's not logic, though, it's biology. Makes no sense to me.
[–]beltwaytr39 points40 points41 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You need to keep in mind that image plays a big role with LTR/Marriage. To be blunt she doesn't want to seem like a major whore, hell she even mentioned it in this little excerpt:
" I realized, however, that his “number” was lower than mine and that he has never tried any crazy stuff. Sooo… I didn’t go into full details about my own past."
These two sentences tell me that this chick has probably been involved in gang bangs, swinging, ONS's, public sex, and more. Now you tell me if you would marry a chick knowing she's been through all of that. Hell what makes it even worse is the fact that most of the guys she introduces as friends has more than likely nailed her too many times to keep count.
Personally I hope the fucker realizes exactly what he has on his hands and proceeds to drop it.
[–]1neveragoodtime18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she KNOWS that stuff is detrimental to a stable relationship And she is right. There's an issue here women don't want to admit, it's detrimental to your current relationship and your future relationships. They're told go out and have fun, but never that there will be consequences. The slut meter only moves in one direction and there is no reset.
Why do these women think it's OK to slut it up, then settle down with someone with much less experience and not expect to give him the same treatment? Men need to step away from women who were willing to get dirtier with other guys.
[–]Incubuns3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Inshallah he'll use the information to convince her to do a MFF, then just block her number and move on.
[–]marzoopial49 points50 points51 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Why would they? The beta's dick is just a side-affect of his wallet, time, and support. If they could get the wallet without that pesky beta dick being attached they would: i.e. Child Support and Alimony.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Half an hour on her back to keep all of his money instead of 1/2 or 2/3? It would be logical.
[–]TheSKSpecial16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It would be logical, but you must remember the hamster knows no logic.
Giving her husband a half-hour every few days in exchange for all of his money and efforts doesn't feel right to her, thus, she won't do it.
[–]marzoopial24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're forgetting the abundance of beta orbiters waiting in line for their chance to 'rescue' her from her plight as a single-mother living off the previous beta's money.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If she has a degree of hotness. I guess that's why if she's getting in shape and improving her wardrobe = danger.
Fat and ugly (at least, uglier than the chick you'd replace her with) tends to stick around.
[–]ZeusAlansDog16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's likely zero attraction there. She can likely hardly tolerate whatever sex they're having, much less a threesome.
That and there's likely zero dread game in effect. If she had to have threesomes to keep him around, she probably would but you know he isn't man enough to make that happen.
[–]through_a_ways0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Or, divorcerape to keep 1/2 his money, plus more from other unsuspecting betas.
"divorcerape" sounds MRA. It's descriptive, sure, but something just, it doesn't... I don't know. I'm not a fan of that portmanteau, I guess.
[+]left_one-9 points-8 points-7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
you think 30 minutes on her back is crazy?
beta-status confirmed.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well, I guess if you say I'm a beta, I must be. Hmph. That was easy. Why didn't I just ask you first?
[+]left_one-7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why don't you ask the guys that fuck your girls for you as you clearly aren't taking care of the task.
I only have one girl. If I find out who's fucking her (there very well might be somebody) then I'll ask. Thanks for the suggestion!
[–]bringer_of_fight5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
because they're not attracted to him.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, yes. That's the biology part. If they were logical, they would be dangerous. Scratch that... even more dangerous.
If they were logical, I think the beta relationships would be much happier and more succesful though.
There are lots of guys who would trade half their money for a lifetime of crazy sex.
[–]zephyrprime10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Because a lot of the crazy stuff is bad and detrimental to the relationship because it shows the depraved nature of women. That depraved nature is antithetical to the concept of love and the women instinctively know that. If the crazy stuff were merely about acrobatics, it wouldn't matter and they would do it (and in fact, they are willing to do the acrobatic stuff with their betas. The crazy stuff she's talking about is not the acrobatic stuff).
Read something like 50 shades of gray. Why do women like shit like that? Why don't men like it? Women like being degraded. It turns them on like crazy when men do that stuff. S&M is just and extreme version of that. Being dominated in the bedroom like that is the equivalent of being turned on by a really hot girl for a guy. But the downside of that stuff is, if I can disrespect you and you like it, why should I respect you other times? Why should I respect my vows to remain faithful to you? If you get off on my being dominant and getting my own way, why don't I go my own and do what I really want which is to get more pussy and ditch the responsibilities of being in a monogamous relationship?
If you get turned on during a threesome and get turned on eating out a girl and getting eaten out by a girl, if you get turned on by another member of your own sex, how can I meet all your needs? I'm a man and can't offer what a woman offers. I can only meet some of your needs so how can a relationship last if I can't meet most all of your needs? The answer is it can't last. When a women hits menopause, she'll be even more attracted to other women as the level of female hormones in her body drops precipitously. After that happens, she'll be even less attracted to men.
[–]CornyHoosier9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While reading what you wrote I felt you have some very strong and interesting concepts to ponder. However it sounds like the train jumped some rails on the last couple sentences.
I literally did a , "Wait, wut?"
[–]Hoodwink3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He's referencing how a lot of women tend to lez out even later in life. It's not just a college fling or when they want to impress. Sexual fluidity of females - I've got a theory that the ones who go back and forth are usually looking for dominance/submission which is different from gold star lesbians who are much more related to genetic predisposition.
I've only had contact with lesbians as acquaintances. And seen the differences between bisexual women and lesbians in the way their relationships work for only a few months. Not too long to develop hard theories, but from my experiences if a woman is bisexual, it usually means she wants to be dominated, hard. They usually jump sexes because they find a more dominate partner. This usually is in contrast to gold-star lesbians who are a lot like your average male beta - they have the more dominate feelings, but are usually brainwashed the other way.
Because women don't do this consciously. They operate off feelings. They don't feel the tingles for the beta guy so they won't do it.
[–][deleted] 6 points6 points6 points 9 years ago | Copy Link
I disagree. Alphas aren't exactly hard to come by. Any average women can walk up to a guy in the top 20% and get sex in the vast majority of cases if shes up front about it. Sex requires minimal resources... 1 men is capable of taking care of 100s. Therefore there is literally no shortage of high quality men willing to fuck any girl.
Getting provisioning on the other hand isn't so simple. It requires significant time and effort from the beta essentially forcing it into a 1:1 relationship. 1 beta cannot satisfy multiple women's financial/emotional needs. So despite the greater number it isn't easier to keep one (getting one for sex is easy though).
[–]sumfacilispuella1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
they dont care if the alpha guy thinks/knows how slutty or freaky she is, she will only be with him for a time, and he's probably pretty shitty, too. but the beta guy she wants for the long haul, and she wants him not to think badly of her.
This is a good perspective.
[–]Mintaka71 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Would you get crazy with an obese unattractive girlfriend just because she cooks really great food?
I can get food pretty easily any number of places. If a wife can get her rent and car payment and health insurance, etc., as easily as I can get good food, then she wouldn't stick around for an obese, unattractive mate.
[–]jacobman0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She never said that she was against having a threesome with her fiance and another guy. My guess is that that's not really his thing though. Otherwise he would have brought it up instead of just bringing up having a threesome with another girl.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It could just be she's already done her experimenting and decided she doesn't want to do it again. Threesomes are bad for a LTR - if she really wants to marry this guy it's something she'd want to avoid.
[–]TheSKSpecial2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
That would be a logical conclusion, if:
1)she hadn't just done "a" threesome, she'd done "threesomes" (as in, more than one) with her ex 2)she wasn't still "good friends" with said guy she'd done threesomes let run a train on her in the past with. 3)she hadn't refused "being more adventurous" with her fiance.
Given these three facts, you can safely conclude that she wasn't just "experimenting", she indeed liked it, and that she was ashamed at the fact she liked it because she felt admitting to it and liking it would "hurt" her value in her fiance's eyes.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don't think you can safely assume that at all. The threesomes may have been the beginning of the end for her last relationship, and she doesn't want to repeat the mistake.
[–]TheSKSpecial2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Except she still sees her ex as a "good friend", and she didn't want to tell her fiance about it at all.
If it's "the beginning of the end", the first thing you do when you don't want to repeat something is say something like "I did it once before and I don't want to do it again". Especially if you "love" this person like you say you do. If you "love"them like that, you kind of need to tell them the fucking truth.
Not do it over and over in the past, say no when the next guy asks about it, and then deny you ever did it in the first place.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Irrelevant on both counts. Why in the world would she want to tell him? If she doesn't want to repeat her mistake she's setting herself up for this problem if he wants to try it - either she tells him "no" and he gets jealous or she makes the same mistake again.
And make no mistake. This isn't about lying. It's about jealousy. He's angry because he feels she treated the ex better than she's treating him.
[–]TheSKSpecial1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Irrelevant on both counts.
It's relevant in the context of her not wanting to do it with the fiance but still being "good friends" with the guy she did want to do it with. The "it" I was referring to was the threesomes, not just the friendship, sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
Why in the world would she want to tell him? If she doesn't want to repeat her mistake she's setting herself up for this problem if he wants to try it - either she tells him "no" and he gets jealous or she makes the same mistake again.
She opened that can of worms when she repeatedly did it with the ex. If she felt she wanted to do it repeatedly with the ex, the least she could have done is try it with "the one", or been honest about why she doesn't want to do it anymore. But no, she decided to not do it and then lie about ever doing it. And then she wonders why he's just a little bit upset at the news that her "love" for him as "the one she wants" doesn't even go to the lengths it did for the "jerk" she used to fuck and still keeps a relationship with.
If she really saw it as a mistake, she wouldn't still be friends with the ex and she would have at least told her fiance that 1) she had done it before and 2)the reason why she didn't want to do it again. Still maintaining a close relationship with the guy you repeatedly committed "mistakes" with doesn't exactly say you feel "mistaken" about what you did.
This is about both lying AND jealousy. He's jealous because she treated the ex better (even though she says he's "the one" for her), and he's angry that she lied to him about doing so.
[–]CornyHoosier2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That sounds fair ... if she had told him. When her fiance brought up doing interesting things in the bedroom she could have easily mentioned that she had tried things in the past and was not comfortable with them.
The part that throws me off is that she had multiple threesomes with the guy right before her fiance. You don't have multiple threesomes if you don't enjoy it. The guy feels robbed because she just "clicked off" as soon as she started dating him.
[–]through_a_ways0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's also like they're going out of their way to confirm the delusional woman/hamster stereotype.
I mean, even on r/relationships you'll see a few decent comments, but this comment section is fantasyland.
[–]ButterMyBiscuit52 points53 points54 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hahaha, this made me laugh out loud. From the comments:
I found your “anything goes” comment about your sexual history with your ex amusing. The only thing that will be going will be your fiancé smile Look at it from his point of view. It’s kind of like buying a van that was advertised as only having 80,000 kilometres clocked, which was owned by a little old lady to transport soup to church functions every Sunday. You later find out you that the odometer was wound back 150,000 kilometres and that rather than that little old lady it was instead used by a bunch of football players for weekends away. In relation to this whole threesome thing, it’s more like that old van again. He just wants to do some donuts and try to do some of that cool Tokyo drift style driving before trading your ass in for a Prius. *Beep Beep* And even worse, most people seem to have known about the footie team riding the van. The former driver is still around, being introduced as a guy who just likes vans
I found your “anything goes” comment about your sexual history with your ex amusing. The only thing that will be going will be your fiancé smile
Look at it from his point of view. It’s kind of like buying a van that was advertised as only having 80,000 kilometres clocked, which was owned by a little old lady to transport soup to church functions every Sunday. You later find out you that the odometer was wound back 150,000 kilometres and that rather than that little old lady it was instead used by a bunch of football players for weekends away. In relation to this whole threesome thing, it’s more like that old van again. He just wants to do some donuts and try to do some of that cool Tokyo drift style driving before trading your ass in for a Prius. *Beep Beep*
And even worse, most people seem to have known about the footie team riding the van. The former driver is still around, being introduced as a guy who just likes vans
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan53 points54 points55 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What do I do? He really is the real deal. I have dated enough losers and jerks in the past (alpha fux) to recognize this. I don’t want to lose him. He is the only man I have ever wanted to marry (beta bux).
Cipher from "The Matrix": "I don't even see the coding anymore...all I see is blonde, burnette, redhead, etc..."
[–]Chlouki 109 points109 points109 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's why you should not have any serious relationship with former harlots:
The "harlot" part means you missed their innocence.
The "former" part means they deliberately tone down sex in order to make a point, so you not only missed their innocence, but they don't let you make good use of their experience.
They fail on both sides of what a woman could provide.
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[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s51 points52 points53 points 9 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link
"I love sluts" is the man's fitness test equivalent to "I want a nice guy". You only want to exploit people with that trait, while simultaneously using it as a disqualifying indicator of low value. The difference is women do it completely subconsciously, once again men need to learn it the hard way.
[–]zephyrprime7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is some gold advice. As an longtime pua, one of the effective techniques I use in the field is to let women know I'm totally non judgemental. I also imply that I've been very adventurous (but I don't say so bluntly which would be bad). Doing this allows the women to feel safe being a slut around you. The same technique in a LTR is good for sussing out a girl's history. However, a skilled PUA doesn't even need to do this because he can just tell from the vibe from a girl and her normal conversations with you.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Tell her you're ok with sluts. In fact, let them know that you get turned on a little bit by slutty girls.
He would have known at the latest by the third date.
[–]TheSKSpecial12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Depends on how close she is to the Wall. When she's young she won't care. The closer she gets, the more that deniability comes into play.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah and I bet if she's gotten nexted based on her sexual history frequently it'll lead a woman to hide that shit like an easter egg.
[–]CornyHoosier0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? Why would you go on that many dates with someone without sleeping with them?
I don't know about this. I get the feeling that provider hunters would be grossed out by a slut loving provider. The provider archetype is a whole different animal, he's a white knight, a genteel gentleman, such a man should be disgusted to associate with a slut. So if he isn't that may well be a disqualification, possibly that he's likely to cheat later on (and they can't have that obviously).
[–]cray-cray-cray2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I get the feeling that provider hunters would be grossed out by a slut loving provider. The provider archetype is a whole different animal, he's a white knight, a genteel gentleman, such a man should be disgusted to associate with a slut. So if he isn't that may well be a disqualification
I think you're onto something, but I'll take it in a slightly different direction. The nice-guy/beta provider not only provides emotional support and money, but he also provides an alibi... a confirmation to herself and others that she's not a slut.
That may not be the most important feature for a girl, but it's an added bonus.
Females definitely compete for status, and if she has a more gentlemanly (read:pussy-whipped) guy, she looks more powerful in front of her friends. Especially if she's giving him as little access to her honey-slot as possible.
[–]prune-juice0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep, this would disappoint me for sure.
[–]chakravanti93-3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Best post here.
This works. I can attest this works because I do this. I happen to actually be attracted to sluts [disclaimer: not all, just a very specific type] and have preformed this naturally during my BP episodes (I've always been a swinger.....huehuehue)
[–]TheSKSpecial9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whores that fuck like prudes, basically.
[–]chakravanti935 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They fail on both sides of what a woman could provide
No contest there.
However, as to writting them off entirely, there are ways to nix the "former" part. That's just their ego shittesting you. By all rights, if your not hitting it, she's hitting the road, jack.
Just don't be the road.
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[–]Confluenced67 points68 points69 points 9 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link
Yeah you make a good point.
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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
At least he found out now and not later on.
He saved himself a ton of heartache and pain.
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I basically feigned indifference with a previous gf to discover her past. Beta me had some surprisingly alpha moves.
[–]Polishrifle4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I did the same thing, but I started to show my emotions through to my "oneitis".
It was hilarious, because I remember her distinctly saying "I thought we were getting comfortable enough with each other to talk about our pasts!" when I called her out on it. I did some surprisingly Alpha things with her as well, but I was definitely too much of a doormat for her to ever see me as a viable option at that time.
[–]1PaulRivers106 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
His only fault I should say is pressing the girl at the start of the relationship if "there are things that she's done that might be an embarrassment for him in the future". This is a no no. This is projecting your values and standards. This is not the way to deal with women. A woman will lie and hamster away and will tell you what you want to hear. She's well aware of the female imperative. She know that women round down while men round up.
His only fault I should say is pressing the girl at the start of the relationship if "there are things that she's done that might be an embarrassment for him in the future". This is a no no. This is projecting your values and standards. This is not the way to deal with women.
A woman will lie and hamster away and will tell you what you want to hear. She's well aware of the female imperative. She know that women round down while men round up.
That's interesting - I was going to disagree, but I got to the end and realized I had misread your post, your point is to find out what they're real history is like. It's an interesting post, definitely giving it some thought.
I had a girlfriend who's sexually history suddenly mysteriously changed the longer we dated, suddenly ex's disappeared from her history. It was bizarre, particularly since I already knew about them so there was no point in covering it up. Hmm.
[–]neutron_22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
It's really hard to gain trust once broken. My ex cheated on me when I was serious about our relationship. It was difficult at first, but finally I let her go. And she is the reason I still have trust issues. I simply can't trust women now. My current gf, she is a lot different than my ex, and I know that she wouldn't cheat on me, but I still can't brush it off my shoulder that she might. It's really difficult, once you have been betrayed.
[–][deleted] 72 points73 points74 points 9 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
I know that she wouldn't cheat on me
I'm sorry to be the one to say this, I empathize with you, but: no you don't. You never know. Never.
If you can't live your life with that bitter pill, then you can't live with a LTR.
I regret that you have to hear it, but if you think long and hard about it, there is a chance it could be freeing to you. When you really understand your woman's limitations, it frees you up to understand her in a whole new way.
[–]Anderfail14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
One thing I don't think many people really get is that "true love" does not and never has existed. Everyone has the ability to cheat, men and women alike because everyone has their price where they can be bought or bribed. It is what it is. I know damn well my wife could find someone else, but I also know that I could do the same. It's not really a bitter pill to swallow as it is maintaining a relationship with your eyes open and never allowing yourself to be blinded.
If my wife cheats, oh well, I'll just move on. I won't and will not fight for her. People here act like this is some huge deal, when it's really not. Once you accept that everyone has their price for just about everything, accepting this is quite easy.
Yes, your mind seems to be free.
It doesn't come easily, though. It takes time, distance, and contemplation. I'm working on myself, though, so I'll get where I want to be.
[–]Anderfail2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The thing is, this doesn't apply to just relationships. It applies to anything and everything. For enough compensation/personal satisfaction you can get anyone to do anything up to and including outright murder and torture. Hell humans don't even need that, they just need to have someone in a position of authority tell them to do it (as evident by the Nazis and those studies where average people did horrible things).
People in general are selfish beings and in most situations will take the path of least resistance. When combined these can create horrific situations, much worse than just the destruction of a relationship.
[–]TheSKSpecial41 points42 points43 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry to be the one to say this, I empathize with you, but: no you don't. You never know. Never. If you can't live your life with that bitter pill, then you can't live with a LTR.
This was one of the most bitter parts of the pill to swallow for me, especially being married prior to learning about TRP.
No matter how "alpha" you are, no matter how tight your game is, if you want to be in a relationship, there will always be someone else who can give her the tingles, and she will follow them if given the opportunity. You think your girl wouldn't fuck George Clooney if he so much as looked in her direction? Sheeeeeeit.
She'll tell you she wouldn't, to avoid a fight...but if it was him, her, a free bed, and no way anyone would find out? She's letting him plow like a fresh plot of land.
Work to be the best you can be, and let the chips fall where they may. There is no unicorn.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This truely is the most bitter part. This is the part that just leaves a smoldering fire of pure hate for women in my gut that will never go out. The fact that I have to live my whole fucking life on my guard so that I can be ready when she tries to slip the knife between my 3rd & 4th rib. Yet, she gets to live carefree, never worrying about anything.
The sooner you realize that this is how the world is, and that your best defense is to build yourself up so when she slips that knife in you won't bleed out and die, the sooner you'll really understand RP.
Women aren't bound by the same rules as men. To be mad at them for not playing by them is to be mad that humans can't grow wings and fly.
[–]jobs33ker3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This truely is the most bitter part. This is the part that just leaves a smoldering fire of pure hate for women in my gut that will never go out.
You and me both. I was wise to RP ideas before coming here, but this one is still the toughest part to accept.
[–]redpill903 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup. My closest male friend once told me "man, I'll never betray you." After I had been dissed by some people I thought were my friends in college.
Our relationships with our bros are the only true and dignified human relationships IMO.
[–]TheSKSpecial1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Difference is, a man cheats and he's given the woman the pass to leave with half, whereas women are free to cheat and are still allowed to walk out the door with provisions from the man guaranteed by law.
A man who cheats can ruin his life, a woman who cheats improves hers and ruins his anyway.
[–]Unpopular_But_Right0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is it different for guys? Like, if it were you and, say, Scarlett Johansson and you were in a committed, loving relationship - and ScarJo invited you to her place for some bumpity-bump rump romp, wouldn't you do it in a heartbeat?
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. I told my wife that I would never completely trust her because there is no way of knowing what would/could happen 10 years from now.
I'm sure you will be ultra-shocked by her response, "But how can you truley enjoy today if you are always worring about the future?"
Hampster level: Grand Master.
Hampster to english translation for the newbies: "I don't want you have your guard up with me because it will make it more difficult for me to extract the maximum amout of value from you before I trade-up."
[–]thaRealDonJon0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand, how can she trade "up" ten years from now? She will be that much closer to the wall.
[–]TheSKSpecial7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She'll trade up in the sense that she no longer has to worry about finding another "provider" for herself and she has the freedom to go after all the "sexy" (read: alpha) guys she wants.
[–]thaRealDonJon0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because Alimony? So....prenup?
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Keylog her.
There's a book on amazon where SwoopTheWorld keylogged all his partners to discover what they were up to. He found even the most seemingly innocent of girls were up to shit.
The book is pretty hilarious and uses 10 scale ratings. I highly recommend it. I'm at work or I'd share a link. It would be under the author's real name. Very underrated and nigh-linked blogger/author.
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not worth the effort, simply assume she will act like any woman and watch her. If she is too tired to fuck, is evasive or defensive about where she has been, and especially ifshe is aaccusing you of cheating when you're not, then she most likely is riding a strange dick.
Agreed. But its still an exercise to consider for no reason but market research.
I don't consider it very much effort to set up a keylogger. In fact, for me it would be much less effort to occasionally check a keylogger than to pay attention to signs.
[–]jobs33ker1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Any idea where to get a keylogger that actually works? And isn't a virus?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No idea. Never used one.
If I were to use one I'd search random hacker/tech forums for a few names, look them up a mainstream torrent site and read the comments for the hosted .torrent.
[–]redpill_factory1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
SwoopTheWorld
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FZXE2HY
He also has a version of Day Bang that I enjoyed: http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Sexual-Attraction-Makes-Woman-ebook/dp/B00A4N3JX8/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1400000503&sr=1-1&keywords=nicholas+jack
What really got me on board was this paradigm altering post: http://swooptheworld.com/the-alpha-beta-illusion/
Heh.
[–]sweetleef2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
My current gf, she is a lot different than my ex, and I know that she wouldn't cheat on me,
Oh, so she's the one.
[–]neutron_0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Back when I was with my ex, I was so much into the Blue Pill, I never figured out how manupulative she was and thought that somehow it was all my fault. Right now, I'm still swallowing the Red Pill, and I am a lot more cautious than last time. I wouldn't become so depressed like when we broke up last time and relapse back twice.
Thanks to you guys at the Red Pill, that I'm pretty much confident how to handle it, and really really wish I had found The Red Pill before. But it doesn't hurt to have a positive attitude towards the relationship, hoping for the best.
[–]sweetleef1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't take my lame joke as meaning that it's impossible - I'm sure that faithful and respectful women are out there, and I hope you've got one. Just that the weight of experience has taught that it's best to always be alert to the possibility, to be realistic, and to have a plan on how to handle it.
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You can trust a woman to be a woman, that means given the opportunity she will ride strange cock. Some you can trust with money or your car, even your dog, and some you can't. You can't trust them to remain faithful when the likelihood of being caught is low. Also you can't trust them to be honest about her past, she will always trickle truth your ass.
Trust a snake to be a snake, dogs to be dogs, women to be women, but men have to earn it the hard way. You can't trust a woman like your best male friend, you simply can't.
[–]left_one-4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Geez - that's like saying you can't treat a cat like a dog, let's not act as if that's some sort of mega-revelation
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Mega revelation? Are you new here or something?
[–]left_one-5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well, it's you that refers to that fact as something dramatic enough to warrant the term 'red pill'. I thought that was more like 'common sense'.
You new to the world?
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You're reading far more into it than I was implying. Why so defensive?
[–]left_one-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're reading far more into it than I was implying.
No I think it's more like you don't realize the meanings of the words you use (which would make more sense given the supposed misunderstanding you are suggesting).
What's with the fronting?
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't understand English? I get it, you're a troll. A little butthurt that people are untrustworthy and women are not special?
[–]yumyumgivemesome9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. He is mostly beta. But overall his response shows promise.
He was already asking for more spice in the bedroom, and she was denying him from it. Beta. Ignoring her during the car ride home is far from alpha, especially when he approached the subject again the next day to ask if it was true. Beta.
Now that he is upfront about questioning their relationship and demanding some of that same action, he has started to take on the alpha mentality. He's not quite there until he straight-up seizes opportunities for crazy fun sex. You rarely ask a girl for permission. You just go for it, unapologetically, and gauge her reactions along the way. You don't ask for a threesome. You interact with the girlfriend/fiancee to lead her mind there seemingly on its own.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He just want to maximize plate value out of this hoe. Once she acquiesces to the threesome (or two), the engagement is over. I guarantee it.
Yeah. It's not the wisest of moves to roll the marital dice with such a person. Now he's figured her out - he's going to have his good time and bail.
[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wished we had an update thread or at least a direct post from the man to see what his next move will be. To be(ta) or not to be(ta)...that is the question.
[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
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Very thoughtful take on the situation. I can only hope this is how it plays out in the long run, but my gut instinct is he's more beta than you think, evidenced by the fact she's got more sexual experience than he does despite the age gap.
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[–]ErryBDWokTheDinosaur19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
He did seem to "take a while for us to become lovers" and started pedestalling her with the discussions of "our future together." Those don't necessarily fall under the alpha category.
[–]1wakethfkupneo12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
My thoughts exactly. She's hitting The Wall, wants to marry and withholds sex - textbook description of beta provider.
[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The fact that she's not interested in a threesome speaks loudly about his SMV. You know he's a beta if she won't even consider or like the idea of doing sexual things with him.
It's nuts- she admits to withholding sex during the start of the relationship, and even then, withholding experimentation.
She doesn't know why she's doing it. But we do.
[–]biffsocko4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
talking about a future together is something one tends to do if he's serious and seeing a LTR with her. There is no avoiding it. You want to plan a vacation for next year? Then you're already talking about the future.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yup, this guy might not be textbook beta, but from the info given you can clearly see he's far from alpha. If we are saying he is alpha then the bar is set low as fuck.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You and I seem to be at odds with the 150+ people who think this guy exhibited confident, outcome-independent alpha frame. I think he was anything BUT alpha in this situation; more like a sulking beta with a "broken heart".
Yeah, people don't understand what alpha means - similar to what has happened over in the bodybuilding world "so alpha bro!" Doing something slightly more confident than usual doesn't make you alpha; in fact, all betas get confidence spurts and act outside of their cliche.
NOT falling for the BP does not necessarily mean you gulped the RP, and likewise not being a bitch doesn't make you a top % man. Alphas are the tip of the iceberg, by definition they lead other men, have sexual variety, exhibit more high-risk, high-reward behavior. This guy is your stable beta bucks by his wife's story, it shows in the adjectives, giving her comfort over tingles, clearly the guy she settled for after trying and failing to lock down several other higher value guys and failing.
But people would rather c-jerk about this "alpha shuts down hamstering whore!"
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
Leaving the party was a form of "mate guarding". It also showed that he was shamed in the group/party, and ceded the party to the ex and his new fucktoy. That's a beta move.
[–]Endorsed Contributor3030303030303047 points48 points49 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
True but come on, he considered her for life and he trusted her, she lied, the truth came out between friends, that's a huge hit for anybody.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan35 points36 points37 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
he considered her for life and he trusted her
Thus violating a cardinal RP rule, and he believed NAWALT. She trickle truthed him, and he fell for it. That's his own damn fault. ALL WOMEN lie about their sexual past. No exceptions. Unicorns don't exist.
[–]Endorsed Contributor3030303030303021 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I know but I'm one of 50k, there are billions of men outside who still think women are loyal and truthful. He did good, considering.
[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
:looks to the right: Holy shit! I didn't realize we cracked 50K until this very moment. As for this chain of comments, you're both right.
[–]TheIslander82927 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I don't see it as mate guarding. I see it as the guy being fucking pissed, and not wanting to be at the party anymore.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
He leaves the party casually on his own accord to go hang with some other friends somewhere else, and tells her to find her own way home? Alpha move. Abundance mindset. He yanks her out of the party to go home with him? Mate guarding in my mind. But to each his own.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I wish this scenario had actually played out (i.e. him leaving), because I would bet my fucking house that she would have wound up in a 3-some with ex and new fucktoy. Garaunteed.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then it would have confirmed that the whore is indeed still a whore and has no business being a fiance.
In the words of Ludacris, "Can't turn a hoe into a housewife, hoes don't act right".
That's someone else's problem. She's not his problem anymore. The only thing he should ever say to her is, "Give me the ring back."
[–]CornyHoosier6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm glad you brought this up, because I've been in a shitty situation before and wasn't sure how I handled it. The 15-second rundown is that I had been dating a girl for a bit and had been having a great time. We go out with a bunch of her friends to a local bar. I come back from getting the two of us drinks and see her making out with a strange man. I mind was completely blow, I didn't see it coming from anywhere.
I pushed the guy back (I wasn't angry at him, but I needed it to stop immediately) and told her that "this" was unacceptable. I then put my beer on the ground and walked out. No scene, no yelling, just drink on the ground and I'm out.
A couple of her friends caught up to me down the street as I was getting a taxi and were all saying that what she did was bullshit. She even came out and they started giving her shit. I said bye when the cab rolled up, hopped in and never spoke to her again.
I always wondered if that was a good call or not. Writing it out makes me see that any person who would make out with a stranger at a bar when she is there with someone is not good dating material.
Women herd. The friends were saying it was bullshit because they knew she was going to try to apologize (what other move would she have at that point?) and so they were pre-emptively trying to make sure that you were validated ahead of time. If you were pre-validated in your judgment, she would have to grovel less.
She would do the same for them. Pussies travel in packs.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You did the absolute right thing, but I will nit-pick one point, even though you are absolutely right in saying,
"Hey JP, stop being a fucking Monday Morning Quarterback, asshole!"
Did she still get her drink that you bought her? The cherry on the top would have been dumping her drink in the trash (or if you're feeling extra bold, on her designer high heels) before calmly walking out.
[–]Beardsman21 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nobody can win all the time. After a big defeat like this one perhaps its best to retreat, heal your wounds and re-emerge stronger than ever.
[–]TheIslander8290 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see your point.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I see it as the guy being fucking pissed
In other words, losing frame control in a large social gathering. Part of swallowing the pill is learning and practicing to check your emotions and remain stoic in the face of an adverse situation.
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[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
He wanted to marry the girl.
Hence the reason near- or post-wall women aren't marriage material. There's a higher likelihood than not that there's something in her past that you will find as a dealbreaker for marriage. Plate, yes. Wife? No.
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[–]TheIslander8293 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think he remained stoic all the way until the following morning, when he talked to her and didn't even sound pissed.
I don't know, that's how I read it, maybe you caught something else.
That's the problem with reading text; two people can get two different interpretations from the same thing, each just as valid as the other. The way I was interpreting, it sounded like right after he heard about the threesomes, he got all quiet, grabbed her by the arm and stormed out of the party and pouted the whole way home. Could be wrong, I suppose.
[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Would it have been more alpha to laugh it off? Maybe pretend like he knows shit that she's done that they don't? Maybe even joke as if that were the case, subtly slut-shaming her right then and there in front of her friends?
Of course the next day her shit is on the front lawn, or his is in his buddy's truck. That kind of deception is unforgivable in a fiancee.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ex's new fucktoy: "oh, you're the one he had the threesomes with"
Guy fiance: <smiling widely, amused look on face> 'hahaha, yes, my sweetie here is quite the adventurous one! <look at fiance>, so, honey, when were you gonna introduce me to this other lucky girl?"
Then start trawling the room with an air of confidence, and start chatting up other girls. When you're fiance shit tests you with:
Fiance: "What the hell are you doing?!?!"
Guy fiance: "Just interviewing candidates for your next threesome, sweetie! I've found quite a few eligible guys and gals, and I've got <party thrower> prepping a room upstairs for us."
Throws all the shame onto the girlfriend, and makes you look aloof. Of course, this is all knowing that a NEXT is happening tomorrow, engagement is definitely off.
[–]ConfusedNooblet30 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That would never work. Their friends probably have some idea of his sexual past by number of partners, and know he is a more conservative guy.
Most of them would feel sorry for him when the bomb dropped (the other couple walked away). They would feel even more sorry for him if he pretended to laugh it off and "hit on" others for a 3some.
It might be believable if they were dating for 2 months, but he was engaged to her.
[–]Areimanes19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely it was. However, in terms of members here I can probably count on one hand the number of people who could laugh it off and pretend nothing happened and still have a blast at that party. Then again, these members wouldn't even be with this woman in the first place.
I freely admit I'm not at that level of RP yet where I could handle this. It's a journey, a continuous one.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The ability to "laugh it off" is inversely proportional to your level of ONEitis. Believe me, I've made the mistake of emotionally investing far, far too much in girls I thought were "the one". I'm nowhere near the RP mountain top either.
But that's the mindset we have to all go into LTRs with, (if LTRing is your thing). Just be prepared that she is still a woman, and all women lie about their sexual past. AWALT. If you keep your frame and emotional investment in check, you will feel little to no shame when a boulder like this one smacks you in the chest. Because you've had it in the back of your mind that it was always not just a possibility, but a probability.
Again, it's easier to type here than to execute in life, I will agree with you there. But again, that's why we are all here, because the constant reminders we read about the nature of women on this sub will better prepare us when these situations arise IRL.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Just be prepared that she is still a woman, and all women lie about their sexual past.
How much are you prepared to accept? That she once had a man shit on her chest, even though she looks so prim and proper now? There's a point at which you'll start doubting yourself, especially if she keeps up a good facade.
At least I know she's into men giving her the ol' Cleveland Steamer. Armed with that information, now I want to see if she'll upgrade to a full on Steamroller.
But in all seriousness, at least now I know I'm not taking her to Thanksgiving dinner at my parents house. Ideally, I find this info out before she becomes a serious LTR. All knowledge is power.
[–]redpill_man-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've advocated for this before and I've seen other people do it around here as well. You need to find out as much as you can at the beginning of the relationship in order to avoid bombshells like a threesome, or what you have suggested. What this basically means is that you have to become a bit manipulative. You have to come off as super sex positive in the beginning(I'm talking like /r/sex sex positive). She won't tell you everything, but you'll get a better idea of what her past is like. I've used this method before and have had pretty good luck with it.
[–]LerbiTRP2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? There's not one singular way that alphas act. It's possible to be an alpha without an abundance mindset. Some people are, by morality, monogamous.
Sometimes you have to cut your losses. Staying at the party and dealing with that awkwardness would have been even worse.
[–]1PaulRivers100 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't agree. That works fine if you're spinning up another plate - you're not "afraid" of her sexual history and whatnot, but what do you think it says when you find out that someone who lied directly to you lied and you act like it's not big deal and it happens all the time? It's saying you're gamma/omega. It says that you're just used to people lying to you, walking all over you, etc. It's so commonplace, you don't even react.
lol, people really talk like this.
Yes, good point. Fair is fair. Not a beta. Probably.
I think you are kidding yourself and giving him too much credit. He found out his special princess is really just a dirty hoe so he withdrawals, hardly alpha.
This is pretty much textbook example of doing everything as poorly as possible. He is wifeing up a post wall prostitute. He doesn't sleep with her for "a while", can't see any of her slut tells, puts her on a pedestal, is engaged within a year and already moved her in. Doesn't recognize the obvious sexual tension between her and her "good friend" who treated her like the hoe she is. I think that guy is totally oblivious.
[–]1raceAround1260 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
... And that was exactly my first reaction in envisaging myself in this guy's place. I can well imagine the absolute humiliation when that one was just out there in full public view. Because that shit spreads. In fact, everyone at the party knew before they even arrived home. The second they left, chinese whispers and with them out of earshot, of course a couple of people especially drunk are going to run their mouths!
I'd insist on a good three-way too! And the first time she said no after that doozy came out, the ring would be off her finger and her arse would be out in the street where it belongs. She is of that little value.
Women may want beta reliability when they get older. The way I see it, they have to earn it. Sadly, if they slut it up in their 20s, they may never earn it.
[–]Dreamtrain0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think the fiancé is a beta. This dude is alpha
I hope the fiancee finds out what TRP is one day. He needs it.
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[–]ConfusedNooblet5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Oh well it was a troll eh? On teamliquid of all places? Isn't that a starcraft site?
I know some chumps who married sluts and didn't know it.
One guy married a girl I used to date, and she did the most filthy sexual things. He thinks she only had "3 prior boyfriends" and complained at the bachelor party that she only did vanilla sex when he was really drunk, and that he would miss blowjobs. Oh if he only knew...
One other guy there was also an ex-boyfriend of her's. We knew each other. Neither one of us were the "3 prior boyfriends" of her's. We gave each other the "Oh if he only knew" look during the poor groom's speech. No we never told him. We were there as a courtesy essentially (we were the bride's guests).
[–]cxj1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Starcraft player here, can confirm that tl is a starcraft website. Lolol that troll is very advanced for posting that there, tl is infested with pc, white knight faggots which is why I prefer r/starcraft. Gonna check those comments out, expecting a good laugh
[–]ConfusedNooblet1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah she was a pretty hot Indian chick. She introduced me to a world of sex I didn't know existed...a2m, salad tossing, etc. She even insisted I fuck her raw at her cousin's wedding. Basically stuff that I never got any other girl to do again. I wouldn't be surprised if she had threesomes, but I don't know it for a fact.
He was the typical nerd-ish high earner white guy. I didn't know him very well. My guess is he has no idea about her past.
It might not have done any good, but then again it might have made him smarten up and bail like the guy in the story (judging by the bachelor party story, this kind of seems more likely).
You didn't owe him anything either way, just pointing out another possibility.
[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp79 points80 points81 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Your worth has nothing to do with your sexual experiences.
Can we popularize a parallel saying?
"Your worth as a man has nothing to do with your employment history."
Hahaha! I'm sure it'll catch on like wildfire.
[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bad analogy.
Women don't care where you worked and how much you made in the past. (Prior to meeting and provisioning for them.) They care where you work and how much you make now. (How much you are able to provision for them now.)
[–]2emptyform16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The analogy is that if you're going to work for a company, they want to know your employment history because it's relevant, such as if you've shown yourself to be a chronic job-hopper. If you're getting into a romantic relationship, it's relevant to know how they were in previous romantic relationships, including if they were chronic cock-hoppers.
[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then 'employment' instead of 'employment history.'
You get the idea, though.
[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin-3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do now, thank you for clarifying.
[–]MrsStrom1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes we do. If you've been fired from every job for something stupid like tardiness or sleeping on the job, I care. If you're working your way up the corporate ladder and have a promising future, I care. These things are indicative of you future career potential/social status. At least smart women look at these things.
[–]Sleep-less11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A womans sexual experiences ARE her employment history.
That is good
[–]BrianGoethe7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We can but nobody will care
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[–]changetip-4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The bitcoin tip for 150 bits has been confirmed and collected by /u/nyrp
What's this?
[–]lightfire40956 points57 points58 points 9 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Here is what i never, and will never understand about the hamster.
Former slut finds guy who has money, intelligence, and she wants to marry him and have him provide for her forever.
However, having crazy sex in order to accomplish this is completely out of the question!?! The ONE THING a slutty chick actually has to offer (you know all that blah blah blah sexual prime in 30s shit they spout) she'll refuse to do with the "man of her dreams".
I was foolishly hoping the response to this idiotic chick would be "Well if you want him so bad, fuck him like you do." No, the response was literally " If he is the ‘real deal’ - or rather if this relationship is the real deal - then he will come around." Yeah, don't do anything to try and remedy the situation. That might require actual effort on your part.
Of course, we all know what would happen once she got hitched: Zero sex drive. Eventually she'll whine about how sex feels degrading and probably make something up about abuse and eventually wind up divorced.
This is speculation, but there has been so many stories from the Captain Save-A-Ho chronicles and they ALL end in the EXACT same way: late 30s single mother.
[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That's because the hamster does not obey logic or reason.
If beta provider doesn't tingle, she won't feel like giving him 'crazy sex' no matter how logical or smart that would be, and no matter how accustomed to 'crazy sex' she was.
And yes, she will feel 'abused' if he presses her for said 'crazy sex', because she doesn't actually feel like doing it with him.
[–]1mrust4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hamster still obeys evolutionary agenda. I can guarantee that most beta guys have their own hamster which will kick in if she were to confess her true slutty past.
They will have their madona-whore complex and think "If she does this with me, what about all the other guys she's done this with." And it's true, you might fuck a slut but you would never marry one. It is absolutely in her interest to hide her slutty past.
[–]cxj0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Well how the hell do prostitutes give crazy sex to undesirable partners then? Srs question. If they can do it for money why can't wives of betas?
[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Because the wives of betas have ways to extract the money without giving the crazy sex.
Path of lesser resistance.
Prostitutes have also accepted that "love" is a transaction, his provisions/commitment for her pussy. Since they know that for sure they're getting paid every time they give up crazy sex, they don't have to rationalize it away by thinking "if I give up crazy sex he'll think less of me and stop providing and giving me commitment".
[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fun fact: Prostitutes don't necessarily give crazy sex. From visiting a sex-related forum, the occasional sex workers with a profile there tend to have more NoGo's than the average female member.
[–]1Zanford2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ex psych. Women dislike fucking their beta bux b/c subconsciously they want to leave their egg unfertilized, for alpha fux.
Several studies have shown women are, during their fertile (ovulatory) period, least attracted to their beta bux, and most attracted to their alpha fux.
This is likely why women have 'hidden ovulation' (no swollen pink butt like baboons, musk / 'in heat' scent like many animals). So she can 'sell' sex every day of her cycle. And likely why they have only a few most-fertile days per month.
So, crazy monkey sex with the beta bux would be best for her lifestyle and logical brain, but not for her instincts and genes. And guess which wins in a woman.
Don't ask me why they aren't evolved to give great BJs and anal for their beta bux.
[–]lightfire4090 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit that makes perfect sense. The long subconscious con.
This is THE MENTALITY of many modern day women. Be a slut, later find a provider and then suddenly sex is not appealing so find a way to get divorce and get a stable income/wealth. This is happening right before your eyes, just look in any celebrity marriage/divorce/breakups.
[–]grateday11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
"If he is he real deal, he'll come around"
I always find that advice a bit of a kop out. It removes yourself from any responsibility, women can behave as they please and excuse their shitty personality or dodgy past by putting it on men. If he's a real man or really the one he'll understand.
What does "real deal" mean? The guy who will provide my beta bucks?
If so, it's almost a tautology. If he bails, he won't provide, hence not the real deal -- for her -- and she is still searching for her provider.
[–]richardnorth25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's right gents, while you're spending your 20s building yourself up and trying to add value; girls are whoring around racking up a HUGE N count full of one night stands and obscene sexual acts. That chick you're in an LTR with? Ya, she's been bukakked by entire basketball teams, she's taken it in all her holes at frat parties and she's probably been fucked by 151 dudes.
[–]Surf_Wax_America8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
151
Obligatory "gotta catch 'em all!" STD reference
[–]TheSKSpecial11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Slore used Syphilis!
It was SUPER EFFECTIVE!
BetaBux fainted!
[–]ConfusedNooblet0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
151? Gee I thought it was 37. I guess the female sexual empowerment movement has made strides in the last 20 years. Clerks was an eye-opening movie for me in high school. As were the chicks who blew me but said they were still virgins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpQqH4H_SUQ
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This from the comments:
How amusing. Woman lies to man, no problem. If man lied similarly to woman then he’d be slammed. OP, your problem is that you and your former friends are indiscreet. I’d dump your arse as well. No problem with your sexual history, the fact that you didn’t want to “go there” with me as you had with your ex would be a clear indication that you’ve been happy to have a wild past and now you want to settle down with a nice homemaking kind of guy. You can’t have it both ways although it is the classic female condition - party with the bad boys until your age kicks in, your baby clock rings and your looks are fading at which point you condescend to go out with a more settled kind of guy for a simpler life. Equally your fiancé needs to man up. Have him bring you to Minstrel’s Dungeon so you can learn to please your man through submission and he can learn to treat you appropriately.
How amusing. Woman lies to man, no problem. If man lied similarly to woman then he’d be slammed.
OP, your problem is that you and your former friends are indiscreet. I’d dump your arse as well. No problem with your sexual history, the fact that you didn’t want to “go there” with me as you had with your ex would be a clear indication that you’ve been happy to have a wild past and now you want to settle down with a nice homemaking kind of guy.
You can’t have it both ways although it is the classic female condition - party with the bad boys until your age kicks in, your baby clock rings and your looks are fading at which point you condescend to go out with a more settled kind of guy for a simpler life.
Equally your fiancé needs to man up. Have him bring you to Minstrel’s Dungeon so you can learn to please your man through submission and he can learn to treat you appropriately.
Alpha fux Beta bux theory explained outside TRP. Our theories may be more widespread than we think.
[–]incraved1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It wasn't exactly invented here, you know.
Also, I really like your username...
These ideas ARE widespread and accepted, as long as you don't call them TRP.
btw I like your username
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
thanks.
[–]Dreamtrain11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Everyone points out the guy felt lied to because she had a bigger sex history than she admitted to initially and feels lied realizing that his fiancee is a bigger slut than he thought, but I don't think that's it. He clearly had his pride wounded but not because of what she did in the past with X amount of men, but because she is not doing the same with him.
The guy finds this girl, he thinks she's amazing enough to think of her as someone he wants to spend the rest of his life with and notice how the gf expresses he wanted to try things out in the bedroom, things he never tried with anyone else, the poor bastard put all his hopes on this girl to be not just a woman he could feel safe on putting on a pedestal for life (BB) but also to be the one girl he could feel safe with exploring the extent of his sexuality (AF).
The girl places boundaries and expresses not being up to trying all those things (that unbeknownst to him, she had happily already done with other men), and he takes this with some disappointment but tries to put up with it, maybe she's just not that kind of girl, right? Maybe he just has to give her time and earn her opening up to him sexually, right? (Wrong! you guys already know how it works)
Then he learns her sex history, she's gladly done this stuff and more with other men, his pride is now shattered and since I imagine this guy hasn't read about RP (putting all his eggs in a basket with this girl when they only had 4 months dating pretty much says it) he was taking validation as a sexual partner from his gf, and this communicates to him she doesn't really desires him, he's not as much of a man to her as those other men. Basically he now has a notion of being simply BB to her, not the complete AFBB all-in-one package he had idealized he was to her.
Bossy doesn't knows shit about how he feels, but she is right about one thing: He won't feel better if she accepts to the threesome, he's seeking validation from her at being a desirable sexual partner, and because in the end it wasn't due to her desire for him but because she was compromised into it, he will feel no fulfillment or validation from it.
Bossy is also partly right about one more thing, he needs to come around, but what that truly should mean is that he needs to stop seeking validation from her and next her ass, if someone needs to swallow the pill, it's this poor guy.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
. Basically he now has a notion of being simply BB to her, not the complete AFBB all-in-one package he had idealized he was to her.
Question : for those of us that want a solid longer lasting relationship and want to have both long lasting qualities of both Sigma and Beta ...
Sigma Fucks-Beta/Delta Bucks (I don't identify with Alpha/Beta )
Can a fruition of both type of traits be balanced for a successful relationship ?
Sigma :
Dominant/Forward thinking traits
Social Prowess
Dark Triad (Psychopathy/Machiavellianism)
Financially sharkish/frugal/minimalist
Beta/Delta:
Nurturing/sweet
Gentle traits
Nice
Sometimes buying gifts showing appreciation
Would these personality traits be good to have to be where ya wanted in a red pill relationship /u/IllimitableMan ? What about us Sigma/Alpha oriented type that want a relationship, is there data on that on where you should be as a person to ensure sensual/financial/Social success to have this ?
[–]TheSKSpecial1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
If you want a relationship, you have to balance the traits, leaning more alpha/sigma than beta/delta. Sprinkle the beta in spots, too much will drive her away.
However, you also have to know that even if you play the game perfectly, no matter how "perfect" a woman is (unless she's from a "traditional" culture that hinders hypergamy and promotes femininity and you keep her around that culture), no matter how successful you want your relationship to be, hypergamy is still a motherfucker and if you slip and do something that lowers your status in her eyes, she will begin looking at the exit.
Her loyalty is to her tingles first, you never.
no matter how successful you want your relationship to be, hypergamy is still a motherfucker and if you slip and do something that lowers your status in her eyes, she will begin looking at the exit. Her loyalty is to her tingles first, you never.
no matter how successful you want your relationship to be, hypergamy is still a motherfucker and if you slip and do something that lowers your status in her eyes, she will begin looking at the exit.
I've accepted these facts already.I'm okay with this. I've abandoned futile hope on there actually being a unicorn, I definitely do plan to balance my personality traits out.
As long as you've accepted these facts (that no matter how much you work that success is not guaranteed) then the balanced approach is the best way to go about it.
[–]Dreamtrain0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It looks as if you are taking a bunch of qualities/traits and want to re-assemble yourself like some sort of personality frankenstein, I don't believe it works that way. If you don't have the qualities you list then put yourself in situations where you exert them (volunteering to develop "nice" traits, for example).
. If you don't have the qualities you list then put yourself in situations where you exert them (volunteering to develop "nice" traits, for example).
Good point...that's at least the social validation going there.
This is inconceivable...
What you shouldn't do is rush into full "admissions" about what you did and how many times and with who. This is not going to help him at all - even if he thinks it will.
I am blown away. The exact reason there were problems in the first place was because she didn't "rush into full admissions." That was the original problem, and she just advised her to do the SAME THING.
Imagine if someone was ruining their life with heroin, realized that they were fucking up, and asked me for advice. What would that advice be? According to this girl's logic, do more heroin.
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
From the comments:
“Wow, how’s the view from back there in the 50s?”
Matrimonial.
[–]TheSKSpecial12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Yep. Not being thrilled your future wife played Eiffel Tower with her "good friend", lied to you about it, he flaunted it in front of you, and she balks when you ask for the same courtesy = "stuck in the 50's", apparently.
How dare you be offended that your fiancee doesn't see you sexually like she sees her "good friend"?!? /s
[–]incraved0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just a note, he didn't flaunt it. It was the woman with him who fucked her over and told her fiance.
I'm not surprised it was a woman who fucked over another woman.
Yes she's jealous the other bitch got there first.
Women can be our best allies.
[–]jobs33ker0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the guy was naive for not being tipped off by the "good friend" in the first place.
[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This bitch just got demoted to plate status and doesn't even know it. When whores whore around they have to pay the price. One of the prices of that is that no man will respect them like they would a virgin. We don't hate whores but we sure as fuck don't respect them. This girl will never gain the respect from her man that she used to have no matter how much she pleases him sexually. She will only be proving his point that she is only good for her holes.
[–]Mightyskunk9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What I find most obnoxious here is that she says early on that she will not do with him the wild things she's done in the past. If my wife of ten years was "the anal queen of Florida", but now won't even let me near it because I'm "the one" would almost be grounds for divorce. Do not deny your husband that which you gave happily to others.
[–]ChromeGhost1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
100% THIS. I will be straight up with girls on day 1 so I don't fall in this mans situation
[–]Raw_God16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Take note how this came out - the alpha fux's new plate just happened to blurt out the secret in front of the fiance. This wasn't accidental. Females are ruthless.
[–]ThePrince_10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This needs to be seen by more people. Women destroy their competition instead of improving themselves.
[–]Confluenced31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
I love how women just justify threesomes and past crazy sexual experiences as dating a "jerk" (Alpha). Now that she is hitting the wall and found a Beta, she doesn't want to do the same things and resists "experimenting". If past sexual experiences don't matter, than why the hell did she not share them with her Fiance when he asked? Because they do.
If I was the guy, I would just move on. I wouldn't get angry (since I swallowed the red pill a long time ago) and just drop her. Hell she is almost 30, if he is everything she says he is, I am sure he ca find a younger woman.
[–]TehFuggernaut44 points45 points46 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I'd drop this girl in a heartbeat. That is one conversation I have up front with a lot of girls because it is an insecurity of mine. Never bring your exes around - I don't want to sit there and talk to some guy who is gonna go back to his buddies hi-five them and say,"yeah that sucker is with that chick I used to nail in the ass and bust on her face." This guy asked her if he needed to know anything, the girl already lied by bringing around a fairly serious ex around her boyfriend and calling him a friend. She's embarassed, as she should be IMO, and is a liar. Fuck her, move on.
[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
it is an insecurity of mine. Never bring your exes around
I don't consider that insecurity. It's just good sense.
I don't mind exes being around (don't bring them around but sometimes you're going to be in the same place) but I damn well better know who they are so that I can keep my guard up. I've had to check guys before because they thought they could make little comments or have a little inside joke with my girlfriend while I'm standing right there. It's incredibly disrespectful to me and to her, but some guys just have no class.
I've had to check guys before because they thought they could make little comments or have a little inside joke with my girlfriend while I'm standing right there.
How do you do this? I can't think of a way to do it without making myself look worse.
[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Calmly, and seriously. Without letting emotion into it.
It helps to be sufficiently physically imposing that you give pause to men who want to fuck with you. But regardless, if you look a man in the eyes and speak slowly, he'll get it.
I was specifically talking about the case where a guy has a history with your girl, and is either getting some little thrill out of eluding to it in front of people, or is trying to rekindle it. Either of those are morally wrong, completely socially unacceptable, and disrespectful of the boundaries of the existing relationship - and it's okay for you to say exactly that.
"Joe, you're embarrassing her and you're disrespecting both of us and our relationship status."
I've had exes come up and want to buy her a drink, or buy everyone a drink. Okay, whatever. That's not crossing the line. I've had them ask her to dance. Fine. If they have their conversation in private that's their business. I've also had them specifically say, "can I talk to you" then they went outside for long enough for me to start wondering wtf. She said that he was asking for advice about another guy. I said lol okay, but at that point, that was a problem between me and her, not between me and her and him.
It's the comments in front of me that I'm specifically concerned with.
Beyond that, if a guy is just flirting with your girl in front of you, you can probably just stare him down - not with an angry stare, but just a blank stare that's like, "wtf do you think you're doing." Even with a smirk. That shit is going to happen with strangers, so you can't take it too seriously.
If they're just friends, don't assume it's more than that and butt in - don't think you're defending her honor unless you know she wants you too. Like if a guy says, "wow you're so beautiful" don't flip the fuck out on him. Sometimes friends are like that. If she's cool with it then you be cool too. You might actually want to have this discussion early on in a relationship. If she wants you to intervene then she needs to signal it to you - otherwise you assume everything is fine.
...that's about defending her honor. If a guy disrespects you but not her by for example saying something like, "why are you with that guy" then you step in and make it clear that it's between you and him and has nothing to do with her. It's been a while since a guy just randomly wanted to pick a fight with me, but it does happen. The best thing to do is stand up if you're not already standing, tell him "hey come here for a second" and maneuver him around so that now you're between him and the girl, then say "fuck off" or similar - and say nothing more beyond that. Block him from returning to her. If he pushes you, you grab him and hold on. If he swings you block it and hit back. Throw a chair as soon as practical.
[–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's incredibly disrespectful to me and to her, but some guys just have no class.
It's surely low class, but I'm not sure I see the disrespect. They have history together, you know that when you start getting involved with that girl, denying the facts strikes me as even worse. The real issue is that their lack of tact reflects poorly on the woman's choice of men.
[–]dvrzero0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I fail to see how it is any different than my goats showing their horns to each other. You know, to see who's horns are bigger.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan32 points33 points34 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
And what makes it especially comical is, for all the rationalization the hamster is capable of, they don't understand that when they say "I'm not like that anymore", the way we interpret is, "yeah, I'm gonna make you work 10x harder for what I gave away for free 3 years ago", or "I used to be a doggy-style slut who took anal and swallowed, but you are gonna be lucky to get missionary 3 times a week."
Maybe that's the next acronym for the glossary. "INLiTA" - 'I'm Not Like That Anymore.'
[–][deleted] 12 points12 points12 points 9 years ago | Copy Link
There's a difference between actual people and "goods", lol
[–]Confluenced6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Straight up, "INLTA", needs to be added to the acronym glossary.
"INLiTA" - 'I'm Not Like That Anymore.'
Beautiful. Can you make it a whole new post?
[–]herpterp1231 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
INLiTA
Hah, it must be a sign from the upper heavens, for lita means whore in my native tongue
Adds even more legitimacy.
[–]Areimanes21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What guy could handle knowing that his future wife-to-be was spit-roasted by a guy she regularly hangs out with in her prime? Only the most pathetic guys would not have a problem with that - not because they are so liberal/open minded, but because of scarcity mentality.
The guy should thank her ex, though. He laid out her personality better than she had done during the time they were together.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Owes that ex-boyfriend a six-pack.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And pictures. I'm sure he has a few.
[–]redpill_factory5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
six pack
[insert beer commercial]
"Thanks bro"
"Don't mention it."
[toast]
[–]Confluenced7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For real.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If past sexual experiences don't matter, than why the hell did she not share them with her Fiance when he asked? Because they do.
This is the essential truth that women cannot answer with logic, ever. They won't even try, they'll jump to emotion immediately.
She thinks past sexual history shouldn't matter, but that dumb insecure men think it does.
[–]2comment8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dear Harvey,
I was thinking about your rejection and how totally unfair it is. My past is EXACTLY THAT, the past! How dare you go trawling through it and tell me I'm not good enough for you! So what if I partied it up and didn't take things seriously back then? Really, what is it to you?!
All my friends are saying if you were serious, you would overlook the past and see the person I AM NOW! I have changed, evolved, and it is you who are too dense to see that, NOT ME!!!
Have you ever considered that my past wasn't a series of missteps but that every step I took simply brought me one step closer to you?
Seriously, I don't get your hangups, asshole. I bet if I looked into your past it's not all milk and honey either. Either accept me for who I am or lose the best thing you got.
Yours Truly, Ivanna Humpalot
Dear Ms. Humpalot,
Sorry, past performance is truly correlated with future achievement. We're just not meant to be.
Regards, Dr. Brian Putdown Harvard, Dean of Admissions
P.S. You sound like a fun girl. Here's my number, text me, let's hang out, I can guarantee your admission into your nearest community college.
[–]stillnoturday14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude was lied to and humiliated in front of other people, were it me in that situation I would tell her to get a ride home with the other dude and we are done. No way I let that type of disrespect go.
[–]1mrust2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Eh, there was nothing she could have done in that situation.. The disrespect happened many months earlier and it just hadn't come out until the party. Brilliant revenge/strategem on the part of the girl who called her out.
I agree that you can't let the disrespect go and the engagament is definitely off. But I can think of several different ways to handle it.
Understatement plays to your strengths "Oh, I didn't realize you were that type of girl. We'll have to reconsider our relationship." Suitably vague that it can mean almost anything. Let her try to make it up to you as you slowly fade away.
If you can be stoic about the whole thing, like you just got some new information and oh well, these things happen, you will come across as the good guy in the story - with her being the evil bitch. If you overreact, people will pity you and that is never a strong position.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If we all honestly ask ourselves if we have ever withheld or downplayed some information about our past from our partner, I think we’ll find very few of us can say we have been 100% open. Past is past and people are different. Keeping a little bit of your prior naughtiness to yourself when you meet someone you finally love, fulfills you, want to settle down with, and don’t want to be naughty with (in that way) if fair enough, I think.
These hoes ain't loyal.
[–]1Jaereth4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First, she writes:
He wants to try stuff he has never tried with another woman. I have so far resisted even though what my fiancé wants is not really new to me - I had those experiences with my ex.
Later, we read:
He’s also extremely angry that I hadn’t wanted to experiment with him while I had “no problem” experimenting with the other guy.
And she doesn't know what to do. She writes the newspaper column, because, she can't figure out why the guy would be upset.
smh.
[–]mighty_mogomra5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have dated enough losers and jerks in the past to recognize this. I don’t want to lose him. He is the only man I have ever wanted to marry.
This statement tells me exactly what role she sees the finance in.
FYI: Don't be this guy.
[–]TheRabid12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Um. This is news? I figured that it would be par for the course.
[–]TheSKSpecial9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It's only par for the people familiar with the course. For the new guys, this can be a real eye-opener.
[–]TheRabid5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I'm over 35. I guess I just assume that every woman I meet has their slutty phase.
[–]TheSKSpecial16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
It's not really about the slutty phase, moreso just showing the lengths women will go to: 1) justify doing it 2) absolve themselves of any responsibility for the consequences, and 3) shame men who disagree with that reasoning
EDIT: Again, to anyone familiar with TRP this is nothing new. But for the new guys, you get to see it live and in living color. That wasn't some pro-RP website cherrypicking information, nobody edited their words, it's pure and undiluted straight from the mouths of women themselves. And it confirms so much RP theory it's insane.
[–]TheRabid2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love it when they proclaim innocence and don't see the possibility of consequences. Neat, eh?
[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep. And if you're not trying to get married or have kids, then what difference does it make? If you're not even looking for an LTR, her past wont bother you one bit - this is what happiness feels like.
...well, in theory. I will admit to the occasional pang in the gut over some of the things I've been told. But I recognize that's my own weakness, and I try not to let it poison a perfectly good relationship.
[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
pang in the gut over some of the things I've been told.
that pang in the gut is the stark reminder how high SMV women have life on "easy mode", and them telling you about all the easy sex they've had and never had to "work" for (i.e. no game required) is a stinging reminder of the tilted field on which men play.
Its' not a phase. There are slutty women (most Western women) and non-slutty women.
[–]UnpluggedMan10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Man, I really like this particular reply to a guy who called her out on her alpha fux/beta bux bullshit.
"Yes but have you ever thought that maybe ‘threesome guy’ isn’t the kind of guy you’d want to have as your husband? Come on man - guys do the same thing! I’m sure there are plenty of men that have slept with ‘hot women’ that are nowhere near ‘wife or mother’ material. Lust and love and not always incited by the same person, although it’s better if they are! Usually, guys that are more caring etc, simply don’t incite a HUGE level of lust. They may incite SOME, but it may never be completely crazy - i.e. 70% instead of 100% Some women are willing to forgo that extra 30% of ‘wow/lust factor’ in order to have a male partner that will actually stick around and not be off screwing everything with a pulse. Surely you can see the logic in this… as men do this too. I see many families walking around and believe me I think there’s little chance the Dad is lusting heavily after the Mum behind closed doors… but I could be wrong."
"Yes but have you ever thought that maybe ‘threesome guy’ isn’t the kind of guy you’d want to have as your husband?
Come on man - guys do the same thing!
I’m sure there are plenty of men that have slept with ‘hot women’ that are nowhere near ‘wife or mother’ material.
Lust and love and not always incited by the same person, although it’s better if they are!
Usually, guys that are more caring etc, simply don’t incite a HUGE level of lust. They may incite SOME, but it may never be completely crazy - i.e. 70% instead of 100%
Some women are willing to forgo that extra 30% of ‘wow/lust factor’ in order to have a male partner that will actually stick around and not be off screwing everything with a pulse.
Surely you can see the logic in this… as men do this too.
I see many families walking around and believe me I think there’s little chance the Dad is lusting heavily after the Mum behind closed doors… but I could be wrong."
I believe that is a hamster trickle-truthing itself. Quite fascinating to observe it in the wild, really. Even when it admits the issue, it still won't take responsibility for it. It will always have justification for it's own bullshit.
[–]kingjerksupreme8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Two girls and a guy = threesome Two guys and girl = a train That chick got recked by dudes, I guaruntee it. Wouldn't blame him for moving on, she's not a housewife.
[–]Bakkie8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What a great RP Freudian slip. Finance vs Fiance
Exactly what I was thinking too, financing a fiance , lol
[–]Tarnsman4Life6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Chris Rock said it best, women will not go backwards in lifestyle, Men will not go backwards in sexuality. Once this guy found out the chick was into freaky stuff, she had better be into freaky stuff with him. "How about I wear clear heals tonight?" "How about you wear clear heals every night!"
[–]ConfusedNooblet3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I realized, however, that his “number” was lower than mine and that he has never tried any crazy stuff.
This is a big hint that she's either a slut, or he's beta/blue pill to one degree or another (possibly both). When it comes right down to it guys should have more sexual experience than women they date and here's why:
Men are usually older than women by a couple years thanks to hypergamy, and in the aggregate being older translates to having more partners. If you stick to Rollo's 13 year SMV gap and settle down with women roughly 13 years younger, you should have a lot more experience. If you don't you're doing something wrong.
Even though I told him all that was in the past and that I love him with all my heart, he still feels like he’s been duped. He’s also extremely angry that I hadn’t wanted to experiment with him while I had “no problem” experimenting with the other guy.
This smells of alpha fucks, beta bucks.
This is what I thought the entire time I read the article
[–]loveofnotes12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The bitch advice columnist says "he feels you lied to him." FEELS? SHE DID FUCKING LIE TO HIM! I didn't even finish reading the whole "advice"part, I was cringing so hard.
[–][deleted] 15 points15 points15 points 9 years ago | Copy Link
Yup, they can't just say "my friend" because "my good friend" is an excuse for them to go camping together and spend a lot more time together than just a "friend".
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This shows the importance of FINDING OUT a girls history by learning how to read people and getting your Sherlock on. I wasn't a huge fan of the show House, but a common theme is that patients WILL consistently lie even when doing so hurts their own ass by depriving the doctor of vital info. So you don't just ask, you 'Sherlock' that hoe. My favorite quote from what I watched of it is when House says "Want to know how a couple chemicals react? Don't ask them for information about themselves, that is pointless. Throw em in a beaker and add heat."
Women are horrible facial / physical liars, but excellent "ambiguous interpretation of questions" liars. In fact when this guy asked her, if he knew to look at how her pupils were probably dilating and she had to think for a second and compose a response, he would instantly know something was up. It's ALWAYS there, you just have to find the "give".
This is why you need to spin plates for a while and learn how to identify which women spent their late teens / early 20s being a recycled plate / carousel rider. It's the only way to become so attuned to these give-aways of low quality (basically, the equivalent of beta behavior in females) that you can sniff out even the sociopaths.
Start a conversation trading tit for tat with her (she should be insanely curious / value your info more than you value hers. If she isn't, that right off the bat is a yellow flag signifying something that you need to look into further). Act like you're supportive of her endeavors, throw in validation when she "comes clean" about something minor. I like to ask girls if they ever shoplifted (most have) or cheated in school. Then I share some anecdote about something "bad" I did and I observe her reaction.
Then you phrase your "sex" questions in a non-bitch way. Let's look at how he asked, look at the wording and how loose it is - "Is there anything (vague) that you did in your past (Girls interpret past as last year) that could potentially (weakens question, vague) cause me an embarassment (dating a girl who gets around isn't embarassing you pig! Hamster fuel) in the future?" (the future is vague and nebulous, not real to her)
What a fucking horrible way of asking, given how hamster brains work. No wonder she trickle truthed him so hard, he was practically begging for it. Also, if you are ever a lower sex count guy than your woman, you are basically fucked in that she knows she HAS to constantly trickle truth you or you will freak out.
If you're woman thinks you've had plenty of threesomes before, she will admit she's had one hoping you will think it makes her cool and badass. If she knows you have only been around the block a few times, she may not even admit to ever having a ONS, because if she knows you're the type of guy who can't get that, she knows you will be freaked out majorly by the idea of her getting it. Always, always, ALWAYS approach getting information from a "I've had sex with countless women, I could give a fuck what you've done, I'm just curious to see how much of a bad girl I've got here. I love the wild ones." There is no other approach that works nearly as well.
[–]theozoph1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This shows the importance of FINDING OUT a girls history by learning how to read people and getting your Sherlock on.
There's an easier way : if your girl isn't willing to "experiment" with you, you're the beta bux. She'll experiment, or already has, just not with you.
[–]_DiscoNinja_3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Even though I told him all that was in the past and that I love him with all my heart, he still feels like he’s been duped.
Might have something to do with the fact that HE HAS BEEN DUPED.
Certainly. Product is not as advertised.
[–]2johnnight3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
When we first started dating, it was different with my fiancé because it took a while for us to become lovers. ... Even so, I have been a bit hesitant to let loose completely in the bedroom.
So classic. The guy, who finally puts a ring on the finger, get's the worst deal, pays the highest commitment/sex price and has to wait long to get what others had in an instant. First, the ho wants now to prove that she's no ho. Second, she's now an even bigger ho, because now she is maximizing her Return-on-Pussy and that requires the Sex Cartel to ration supply.
He really is the real deal. I have dated enough losers and jerks in the past to recognize this.
Lol.
[–]TheSKSpecial3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You've gotta love it. They were "losers and jerks"... who repeatedly got to do things to me that I refuse to do with him.
Isn't he the lucky one?
[–]2elysius3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He really is the real deal. I have dated enough losers and jerks in the past to recognize this. I don’t want to lose him. He is the only man I have ever wanted to marry.
lol. Should've thought about that first.
[–]3trplurker2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit the level of bad advice being given.
So what to do? You need to keep talking to him and hope that by explaining why you kept quiet he understands it wasn’t an attempt to deceive but rather not to reveal things that were not integral to your relationship now.
WTF is that shit. Deception isn't deception? Talk about insanity.
And there is this
Secondly and this is far more important, your boyfriend is fooling himself if he thinks getting you to “experiment” with him and another girl is going to rub away the wound. He can’t shag away the image of you with two other men. He can’t pay you back by sleeping with a woman in front of you.
And all the crab that followed it. Basically she's saying to not give him anymore sex then absolutely required because it won't serve her purpose of keeping him under her thumb.
At this point, if the guy still wants her (and that's a big fucking if), she better show up to the bed naked with a butt plug, plenty of lube and a friend.
To the guys, this is why you must demand your women treat you like a Persian God King. If they don't, then simply cease talking to them and sleep with other women. They will pick up on it really fast and either submit to you or go away. If it's the first then congrats you've won and broke her, if it's the second then it would never of been an advantageous relationship for you. This is why you need to learn some BDSM and have some of that stuff around even if your not wholly into it. I don't consider myself really into that stuff, but it's important to use it to break a new sex partners mind set and put them in the submission mode for sex. It makes everything 100 times easier.
[–]AkihiroDono8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"When we first started dating, it was different with my fiancé because it took a while for us to become lovers."
Translation : I'm attracted to his pockets but not really him as a person.
[–]southernmost3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fingercuffs?
Nice reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxWRWbdsTjc
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Finance found out threesomes are expensive.
[–]RPL232 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
there comes a point in every BP->RP conversion when one looks at a situation like this and thinks,
"holy shit, that could've been me".
wow, i dodged some bullets.
[–]SgtSplacker4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm reading it thinking it was a threesome with two girls. But two dudes?! Instadump! I'm not marrying some cum dumpster!
[–]kfloppygang4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bossy says: "he feels like you lied to him"
YOU DID LIE TO HIM! Why sugar coat it, this person wrote you for advice, you have to be real.
[–]RandomRedditor71173 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The hamstering is quite entertaining.
"He shouldn't be conncerned about the past"
Yet she hides it, proving she knows there is sonething wrong with. And there is.
Her value has significantly decreased. I like my fruit analogy:
When shopping for fruit, you always go for the best looking fruit. It could be in the front or in thr back. That could be from people jumbling them around or them just always being there.
But typically those in the front are the first to get picked up and inspected are those in the front or those that at first glance look much better.
This is just like girls; picking it up and inspecting (with penis) the one with easiest access or most promise first.
After you set it down, it now has your germs on it and is more likely to be bruised than a fruit that was just sitting there. The fruit on the front is probably also turned around to be hiding dirt/bruises when it is set back down, unless the last shopper left it up for the world to see.
Knowing this, the obvious choice is the fruit in the back as it is likely way cleaner and less chance of being bruised; thus less chance to make you sick, and also likely tasting better.
That being said, if girls are like fruit why the hell woulld we ever chose to only look at the front row to pick a fruit? We dont.
This analogy could still go much further: talking about how we want fruit at a certain stage of ripeness; talking about how drunk hookups are like buying a shitty fruit because its cheap, using the good parts, and throwing away the rest, etc.
Discussion. Go!
TL; DR. Shopping for girls is no different than shopping for fruit.
[–]Clauderoughly1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He acted as he should and she is panicking because she is in serious danger of losing her "beta bucks" without out putting in some work.
She is going to have to actually give him, what she gave every other alpha (for free).
I'd get a couple of 3somes out of her, and kick her to kerb.
[–]ConfusedNooblet1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fiance will be ok. Her ex-boyfriend said "Get over it bro! It was just a threesome and A2M."
Anyway the whole thing reeks of her trying to hide her past, which she is ashamed of but won't admit. She introduced her ex-boyfriend as a "friend."
[–]aazav1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Finance, huh?
iPhone post. Keyboard is so small.
[–]1angrydad1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I simply LOVE the hamstering in the response. Were she humiliated in a similar fashion, you know it would be all about honesty and self respect,(his and hers, respectively) but since he's on the receiving end he's supposed to just roll over and take it. That he didn't gives us all hope. A good lesson to be learned here.
About four months ago, we moved in together and it’s been great Life together continued great and we got engaged last January.
About four months ago, we moved in together and it’s been great
Life together continued great and we got engaged last January.
What's with all this "we" talk? You moved into his place. He bought the ring and engaged you.
[–]Teeth_of_Lions1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That whole post only validates how women lie and what is considered "truth". Sin of omission DOES NOT EXIST in the female mind when it comes to men.
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHAT??!?! Guys, when a woman has had numerous previous partners, and she tells you she thinks you're "the real deal," what she really means is you're her Beta Bucks.
Bossy says he can't "wipe away" the image of her 3somes by requiring some with him.
Why not? What makes her think she knows that?
[–]watersign1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
alpha fucks beta bux
[–]muyuu0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, people usually feel that, when they are blatantly lied to.
The radical hamsterism going on is amazing. These are some validation-seeking and validation-providing machines. Absolutely anything is justifiable for these people, as long as a female does it.
Fingercuffs and double penetration. Her just loving it and getting splattered on the face with moneyshots after.
I'm sure that's all his fiance can see now whenever he looks at her.
Porn has ruined our minds.
He let her have guy friends?
[–]galaxy_man330 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I saw this post on facebook this morning and came here to repost it....low and behold it's already on TRP....shit cracks me up
Never hide stuff about sexual history. That's a lie. Lying is bad for LTR. People have a right to know exactly who they are committing to. If you don't lie and they still want you then congrats, if they don't then move on. All lies eventually come out.
[–]stuffandthat0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I used to read Bossy all the time. SO many idiots + awful dating advice.
I do agree that saying "anything that will embarrass us" is very vague and there is no way I would even know how to begin telling someone the terrible stuff I've done in my life.
That said ... his trust has been damaged and his feeling have been hurt. According to the main lady this is a man who means everything to her. Why would she be hesitant enjoying herself and her partners pleasure, especially when it didn't seem to be an issue before? That seems much worse to me than her not telling her past.
[–]RRBeachFG20 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When I was in Public Speaking last spring semester I witnessed numerous students give speeches about their lives up to this point. Three or four times there were students that spoke about difficult relationships or mistakes in the past. Every single time it was the girls that said that despite the difficulties their choices wrot on them, in hindsight they wouldn't change anything about the way they've lived their lives and it made them who they are.
as far as we know we've only been introduced to one of the guys from the threesome, the other one is her 'best' friend...
[–]RPthrowaway1230 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow. Stories like this just make me sad. I hope the guy comes around.
[–]cascadecombo0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it wasn’t an attempt to deceive but rather not to reveal things that were not integral to your relationship now.
have to love this part. A lie by omission is still a lie. However, didn't she flat out lie when he asked her about her past, since she obviously knew she was concealing things as she states in her letter.
[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Finance? Was that a freudian slip?
[–]LongHorsa0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Literally the plot to Chasing Amy.
[–]likechoklit4choklit0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I take a different approach to this. She didn't fuck up by having fun as a young chick. That is all well and fine. She lied to him about their social acquaintances. That is where the biggest betrayal is. He isn't going to feel better by getting into a FFM threesome with this girl: he's angling for some sort of reciprocity, as if the sexual decisions made before she met him entitle him to more of the same. Fuck that noise. Their relationship now has this one-upmanship that is unsustainable. She was selfish and now he is. The best part of the advice was the writer positing that it might not work out. From that profile, I assume it wouldn't: one partner lied, leading to social devastation - the other partner is focused on some sort of sexual reciprocity. The relationship is doomed. One cannot honestly think that he'll drop it after the threesome.
If I used to spank submissive girls during my younger days, that doesn't force me to have to spank my new girlfriend, especially if my sexual tastes have changed with time. That guys analysis is selfish and opportunistic: he should just dump her, grow up, and join a fetish kinkster group.
Agreed. He's striving for fairness, but it will only decrease trust and love in the relationship. Maybe it could have worked if she was honest and they started off as kinky FWBs and moved onto monogamy...
[–]major_tom38-5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
Lol why is this guy so embarrassed that his GF had a threesome in the past? I would be pretty embarrassed about the way it came out but I honestly wouldn't give a fuck. I love how you guys all talk about banging sluts and keeping multiple plates spinning, yet when a girl does the same thing even once she's automatically a whore and irreparably damaged as wife material. You are probably all after threesomes yourselves - and so am I - doesn't that reek of a double standard?
[–]2comment1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are probably all after threesomes yourselves - and so am I - doesn't that reek of a double standard?
We don't care since the genders are different anyway.
You have a dick. Do you date people with dicks? Why the double standard? Ok, then stop asking stupid questions.
[–]p3ndulum2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don't know about you, dude, but if I'm going to marry a woman, I want her to want to be freaky with me and a stone cold prude to men who aren't me, not the other way around.
This guy feels like he's being played. One, she withheld information that she knew would make him uncomfortable, and two, he can't figure out why she would provide for others what she isn't willing to provide for him (the man she claims to love).
That's backwards.
Sexually satisfy men who you aren't serious about, but deny the one you claim you want to spend the rest of your life with? Get out of here with that shit.
[–]major_tom38-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I get that he's upset that she held it back after he asked her and that she's a prude to him. However, women have more than one serious relationship in their lives and I wouldn't be mad if my GF had a threesome with her last serious boyfriend. She could have legit just outgrown that stage in her life and doesn't want threesomes or freaky sex anymore but there's no way of knowing wether that's the case or of this guy is just a beta provider.
[–]p3ndulum0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You wouldn't be upset if you found out she had a threesome with other men but wouldn't have one with you?
[–]major_tom38-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well I mean it depends, if she was always willing to have threesomes with other men and then all of a sudden stopped at me I would probably be upset but if she had a few in the past with one boyfriend I probably wouldn't think too much about it. Just because you did something a few times doesn't mean you're willing to keep doing it. Ultimately we can't know for sure but after reading her BF's reaction I think he's overreacting and never even wanted threesomes, he just wants to get back at her.
[–]p3ndulum-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok.
And how about if she was still "really good friends" with one of the guys she was having threesomes with, but you found out through a 3rd party (or that guy) that she had threesomes with him, but won't have a threesome with you?
Still "depends"?
[–]major_tom381 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Depends how many threesomes she had, depends how badly I even want a threesome, depends how much of a prude she is and it depends whether we agreed that threesomes were in the cards when we were discussing out sexual relationship and it depends how much she's changed and even wants threesomes since then.
The guy surely dumped her, after all this threesome was 2 guys with her, so she fucked another guy in front of him. That can make her non marriage material for sure. She keeps him as a "good friend" because she's in his friendzone, not vice versa. And he has no respect for her, not protecting her from his new gf's comment.
So another interpretation is that new boyfriend / fiance is less turned on by her because she's fucked so many guys, and also because she got dumped. Why can't guys be hypergamous too?
Lol why is this guy so embarrassed that his GF had a threesome in the past? I would be pretty embarrassed about the way it came out but I honestly wouldn't give a fuck.
He's not embarrassed that she had threesomes in the past, he's embarrassed that she won't do them with him when he asked her to, she did them with her "good friend" ex, and angry that she lied about doing them in the first place.
I love how you guys all talk about banging sluts and keeping multiple plates spinning, yet when a girl does the same thing even once she's automatically a whore and irreparably damaged as wife material.
Spinning plates is not the same as an LTR. Spinning plates is the antithesis of an LTR. To advocate spinning plates is to avoid getting into LTRs.
As far as the "double standard" (hint: it's not a double standard, it's two different standards) of why sluts aren't seen as wife-material, Rollo Tomassi has written about it in depth, better than I ever could.
http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/ http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/12/madonnas-and-whores/
[–]deville05-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I personally think its quite ok to not have to divulge everything about your past completely. I can understand why a woman with threesomes would do so. Cuz its either that, or no one has threesomes ever till the end of time. But whatever your lies and secrets are, you better keep em hidden. Cuz if i find out, it may or may not change things. And if i feel i have to adjust to live with them, then so do you. You cant just have things come out and have me pay some price for it and not pay some yourself. Fair is fair.
[–]Kaelteth2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can understand why a woman with threesomes would do so.
Yes, because she's rode the fucking carousel & is now seeing a beta loser provider type.
Actions have consequences. If you ride the cock train, be prepared that there are many guys out there that will fucking NEXT you for it.
[–]cascadecombo0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If someone asks you, then you should simply say you do not wish to talk about it, or something to that matter. If you flat out lie, then the relationship you are working towards will be damaged if not shattered should the lies surface.
[–]deville050 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
But then why be honest with someone you just started seeing? You are still on the stages of getting to know each other. Earning trust is still some way ahead. Most people make the mistake of falling in love (or just liking someone) and giving away their trust 100% right of the bat. From there the only way is down. I suppose not talking about it is best. But once you say "i dont wanna talk about it", i suppose its hard to not imagine the worst and have your curiosity kill you. Perhaps people should be adults and just not jump into all those sensitive questions. Man or woman, hardly anyone of us is completely void of regretful decisions. Just wait for things to reach their appropriate stages
[–]cascadecombo0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But then why be honest with someone you just started seeing?
Why would you begin something with a lie that you know will more than likely make them upset should it be found out?
You are still on the stages of getting to know each other.
Which is why you would simply say you aren't comfortable talking about that now, anyone who is worth spending time with will chill from that topic.
Really though, it's much simpler to simply ignore the question and change the topic, but not everyone has the social capacity to do that well. I know for a fact if I asked a question, and had it answered with a "no" only to find out later the answer was "yes" I would lose most all trust for that person.
curiosity kill you
this is better than having your gf/bf lose all trust in you. At least from my experience and perspective. I know I am not everyone so take it with a grain of salt.
[–]opencover0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But you understand that they guy could dump you because of it anyway, so you sort of calculate odds. It is lying, but it may work. Hopefully not though.
[–]cascadecombo0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I am so happy I am not dating someone like you
More and more guys are becoming like me, though. :)
Well you still could lose the guy anyway, and properly so. He has a perfect right not to want to support or comfort you after you've had your excitement with so many other men.
So, as it should be, there is no way out. If you ride the carousel now, the guys will refuse their beta bucks later and you can enjoy a lifetime of many cats.
[–]opencover0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But then when the shit does come out, the guy is entirely free to dump you for it. I hope the guy dumps her, she wanted his betabucks.
[–]deville050 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes absolutely. This is what I think I would say.. "You are free to make your choices. But it doesnt mean that there wont be any consequences for you. there is no point being mad at you for not telling me something sooner. These are things about your life and I assume you didnt want to share them. Thats fine. But in light of this new development, I have to think about how it affects me and re-evaluate our situation"
[–]Misterlulz-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This is why I would only marry a religious chick. None of this for me.
[–]ProAssad1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Terrible, you get a dumb chick who believes in religion. On top of the fact that you could have settled for a smarter & naturally conservative girl. Not all women are this way thou many are.
I'm religious though, so it wouldn't be a bad fit. Haha
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Careful, your blue pill programming is showing. They want you to think that religious girls are boring and dumb, when in truth who is dumber? The ones who worship at the altar of the cock carousel because the TV told them to, or the ones who are holding out for the man that'll be in an actual relationship with them?
Make sure her definition of religious isn't "she spends a lot of time on her knees screaming 'oh God".
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[–]TheSKSpecial2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
You're new here, aren't you? It has PLENTY of bearing on who she is now. Why? Because she felt the desire to do things like this with her ex, still views him as a "good friend" but refuses to do them with the man she says she "truly loves".
That says quite a bit about how she views the man who wanted to spend his life with her, that he wasn't even worth considering a threesome with...even though she did it repeatedly with someone she doesn't "love".
EDIT: check out the example with the genders reversed and ask yourself if you'd be so quick to forgive the past.
[–]prune-juice-3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to feel upset, but that analogy doesn't really hold.
Written poetry, candlelit romantic dinners, massages, serenading and expensive holidays and marriage proposals
These are all things you do for a person you really love.
Ass to mouth? Not so much. I can understand the mentality of only wanting to do threesomes with casual partners, because with serious partners, it's too emotionally messy and risky. Sex stuff just doesn't scale the same way romantic gestures do.
[–]TheSKSpecial3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
You forget, he asked her to do things like this, and she refused. Not because she hadn't done them before, but because she didn't want to do them with him. She sees fit to do this kind of stuff with men she says she didn't love as much, but when the man she says she does love asks her to she won't?
He loves her enough to be upfront and ask her instead of going out and trying to do it on the sly, and she won't do it now (and lied about it in the past) because reasons. I'm sure he really felt all the love she has for him.
The analogy is about doing all the romantic gestures a woman asks for in the past...but now he won't do them for the one woman he claims he loves more than any other. It holds perfectly, it's one person who did these things his/her current partner wants now, but only in the past for people they claim not to love, and expecting the current partner who they supposedly truly love to be "happy" that they don't do these things now.
EDIT: basically saying "I know you're asking me to do something you want, and I lied about doing it in the past with people I don't love as much as you, but I just love you so much that now I don't want to do them for you! Why do you care about the past? Don't you understand how much I love you now?"
[–]prune-juice-5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Read my comment again. You do all those common/accepted romantic gestures for a woman (whether or not she asks for them) because you love her. Why else would a guy ever do all that? A girl would be right to feel insulted because those gestures are often a direct representation of how in love and invested the guy was in the previous girl.
Otoh, a girl doesn't sign up to get spit-roasted because she's in love with the two guys. She does it for the experience itself, and the people in it are just instruments to give her that experience. She didn't do it out of love or devotion to those people. Moreover, she can decide that she doesn't want to do it anymore. Doing a sex act with Guy A doesn't mean you're signing a contract saying that you are obligated to do it with every guy after A, if asked to.
A better analogy would be, say that you used to take a few different dates to a certain restaurant because you wanted to try it out one or nine times. The food at the restaurant starts getting you sick and you've just grown really tired of it anyway. Along comes your new gf and she's never been there and wants to try it. After you explain to her that the food doesn't sit well anymore, she has a hissy fit because "well you took OTHER girls there!". I mean, there's room for compromise here (take her, but don't eat yourself), but you get the idea that trying something and not wanting to do it anymore doesn't make you some kind of hypocrite.
Expensive vacations are a "common romantic gesture"? Impressive. I'm trying to hang out with the people you do.
You again miss the point. The point is that him asking her to do this was because he loved her enough that he felt comfortable asking her about doing it. It was something she could have done to show her love for him. If she hadn't done it before, or felt uncomfortable with it, she should have been honest and told him as much. He wanted her to show her love by doing this (the same as a man would "show his love" by all the various romantic gestures).
But she didn't. She refused to do it, lied about doing it in the past, then compounded the lie by omitting that her "good friend" was the guy she did it with (repeatedly). She "loves him" and feels "he's the one"...but refused to even consider doing this one thing he asks her to do. Even though she had no problem doing it in the past with men she "didn't" love.
Does she owe it to him? If she enjoyed it in the past (which she obviously did, it's not something you do over and over without getting at least the slightest bit of enjoyment from) she does. If she didn't enjoy it, she owes it to him to at least be honest about doing it and being honest about why she doesn't want to do it anymore.
Not keep lying and then get mad because he found out the truth and doesn't want to deal with her anymore.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Otoh, a girl doesn't sign up to get spit-roasted because she's in love with the two guys.
Bullshit. Either you're someone who has no experience with girls in love, or are female yourself. A girl who signs up for a threesome, either MMF or MFF, is usually deeply in love/lust with one guy and wants to do anything to please him.
[–]prune-juice0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A girl who signs up for a threesome, either MMF or MFF, is usually deeply in love/lust with one guy
You're wrong.
Oh right, she's only in love with guys she never has threesomes with, right?
...That's not how logic works. You don't need to be in love to enjoy a threesome. A lot of people believe that threesomes are for casuals only because of the messy emotions that get involved when it's with people you care about.
[+]TheNextDimension11-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Chasing Amy.
I went through something like you're explaining a couple of years ago with a chick named Amy.
So there's me and Amy, and we're all inseperable right? Big time in love. And then, four months down the road the idiot gear kicks in, and I ask about the ex boyfriend, which we all know is a really dumb move, but ya know how it is, you don't want to know, you just have to know. Stupid guy bullshit. So anyway, she starts telling me right? How they feel in looove and how they went out for a couple of years now they live together, her mother likes me more, blah, blah, blah, blah, and im ok. But then she drops the bomb on me, and the bomb is this...
Seems a couple times, while they were going out, he brought some people to bed with him. Manaj e twa, I believe it's called. Now this just blows my mind right? I mean, I am not used to this sorta thing, I was raised catholic for christ's sake! So im totally weirded out by this right?
I just start blasting her, I dont know how to deal with what im feeling so I think the best way is call her a slut, right?... and tell her she was used... im out for blood. I really wanna hurt this girl. Im like what the fuck is your problem? And she's just all calmly trying to tell me it was that time, it was that place. She doesnt think she should apologize because she doesn't think she's done anything wrong. And im like oh really? Thats when I look her straight in the eye, I tell her its over, I walk.
It was a mistake. I wasnt disgusted with her, I was afraid. Ya know that moment I felt small, like I lacked experience, like id never be on her level. Like id never be enough for her or something like that. But what I did not get...she didnt care. She wasnt looking for that guy anymore. She was looking for me, for the Bob. But, by the time I figured this all out, it was too late. She'd moved on. And all I had to show for it was some foolish pride, which then gave way to regret.
She was the girl, I know that know. But... I pushed her away.
So I spend every day since then chasing Amy.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why...are you telling this story in this sub? What do you hope to have happen?
[–]TheNextDimension11-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its from the movie 'chasing amy'. Seemed relevant to this thread.
[–]Nemester2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Chasing Amy, while funny at times, had the worse message imaginable. The grass always seems greener on the other side. Sluts aren't for marrying. You should consider yourself fortunate that you didn't experience the other side of this: divorce rape.
Try to not get your life lessons from the movies. They are pretty much not real and the "lessons" therein aren't real lessons either.
And yes, I understand the irony of putting this on a subreddit named after a plot device in a movie.
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